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I really like the changes you've made. It looks great- good job!

It's macabre, in the style of cute!

got my vote!

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Hooray for Boots! You've done it again, I love this design and think the edits are perfect. Great job, as always.

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Thanks guys! Mmm... guts.

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Vedy nice. I like the changes too. GMV

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hilarious. i predict derby champ.

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So much win in this design Bootsboots! So clean and displays the message perfectly. Love it!

If this does not get printed... oh man I am going to smash some pumpkins in rage!

BootsBoots wrote:Thanks guys! Mmm... guts.

This is so awesome. It made me and my boyfriend both laugh when we saw it in the pre-derby thread. The colors you chose are fantastic, and I like the changes you made. GMV, and good luck!

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Would be better without the words.

gekiere wrote:Would be better without the words.

I dunno. The words remind me of many a childhood pumpkin carving.

Splendid, wonderfully dark work. Your designs routinely show how to convey something really funny in a simple manner.

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So twisted. I love it.

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I'm sad because I'm afraid this 'violent and gory' (I'm sure someone will say this at least once, if not I will be pleasantly surprised.) shirt will be replaced by some generic stupid Halloween animals.

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I love it!!! Good Work!!! Will buy!!!

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I do love this! But the text really isn't incidental, I sense a rejection down the road.

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Easily one of your best shirts, and that's saying a lot because of your amazing work. GMV!

Jiyu wrote:I do love this! But the text really isn't incidental, I sense a rejection down the road.

Sure it is. If the text was gone, it would still be a shirt about pumpkins doing something to people that we do to them.

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Thanks everyone! I'm glad y'all like this one.

As to the text... This is from the derby theme description: Incidental text is permitted. That means your design can include text but not rely on it.

It seems incidental to me, since the design doesn't rely on the text (it would work in the same way with or without the text. The text could easily be removed without changing the concept or making it less understandable).

BootsBoots wrote:Thanks everyone! I'm glad y'all like this one.

As to the text... This is from the derby theme description: Incidental text is permitted. That means your design can include text but not rely on it.

It seems incidental to me, since the design doesn't rely on the text (it would work in the same way with or without the text).

I agree. The shirt stands alone with or without the text. The text is just an enhancement of the illustrated joke but is in no way necessary. As with the LARPing shirt and many other like the robot Tattoo shirt, this sort of text has always been considered incidental.

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Awesome Boots! I was expecting not to buy a shirt from this derby, because I really don't like halloween, but I think I'd probably have to buy this one. Too funny to pass up.

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I love this design! GMV

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nice! you got me to laugh out loud!

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I.. I love it. :D Hilarious. Your original sketch cracked me up, and the finished one looks great.

gekiere wrote:Would be better without the words.

Agreed. I'd vote for it without words. I think they're redundant.

Great art though.

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Good works as usual boots. I also like the changes and putting the scalp in. GMV

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I think the illustration carries the concept well enough that words aren't needed. Great stuff!

gekiere wrote:Would be better without the words.

I wasn't sure, but I think now I'd prefer it without the text. It's great either way, though!

BootsBoots wrote:Thanks guys! Mmm... guts.

I like it... but is that text incidental? The text usage seems awfully similar to 'And then I was like BOO!' from last year, and that one got shot down for non-incidental text.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, just confused.

muk1 wrote:I like it... but is that text incidental? The text usage seems awfully similar to 'And then I was like BOO!' from last year, and that one got shot down for non-incidental text.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, just confused.

I think that one got axed because similar shirts existed and the only thing that made that one different was the text (I think).

BootsBoots wrote:I think that one got axed because similar shirts existed and the only thing that made that one different was the text (I think).

Do people really not understand this shirt if they take the text away?

If you need text to understand what is going on in this shirt then that is kind of sad.

Altheahelaine wrote:Do people really not understand this shirt if they take the text away?

If you need text to understand what is going on in this shirt then that is kind of sad.

My concern was the text is a punchline unto its own - it plays off the fact kids refer to pumpkin innards as 'guts'. I saw it as separate from THE punchline of the shirt, though obviously related. I genuinely don't know if that makes it 'incidental' or not. Thus the question.

muk1 wrote:My concern was the text is a punchline unto its own - it plays off the fact kids refer to pumpkin innards as 'guts'. I saw it as separate from THE punchline of the shirt, though obviously related. I genuinely don't know if that makes it 'incidental' or not. Thus the question.

given dsldek's "larping mishap" from well over a year ago (one of the first incidental-text derbies), this should be fine. In that shirt, there is a pretty substantial textbubble that takes it from a bunch of confused nerds around some passed-out guy to showing that these nerds mistakenly attacked him in the midst of some HARDCORE AD&Ding! So the punchline was used to explicate the entire piece.

Of course, woot is incredibly fickle about their rules, so who really knows what will happen here, but since this works with or without text, I think rejecting would be outside of precedent and also one more instance of woot making terrible rejection choices while keeping terribly rejectable tees in play.

muk1 wrote:My concern was the text is a punchline unto its own - it plays off the fact kids refer to pumpkin innards as 'guts'. I saw it as separate from THE punchline of the shirt, though obviously related. I genuinely don't know if that makes it 'incidental' or not. Thus the question.

I've never heard anyone refer to pumpkin innards as guts but I don't doubt that you have. I guess it's up to bootsboots to tell us but I doubt that was the point of the shirt. To me, the point of the shirt is pumpkins carving people. The joke is, people carve pumpkins. Hence the title, we carve people.

Incidental:

1. Loosely associated; existing as a byproduct, tangent, or accident.
That character, though colorful, is incidental to the overall plot.

if it is not necessary for the understanding of this shirt, which it isn't, it is incidental text.

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Looks great Boots! I'm glad you added the top-o-skull and I'm actually a fan of the words. Good luck!

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I love it Boots! This should be a strong contender in the derby I hope!

I called it pumpkin guts when I was a kid, I would even make a big scene out of ripping the stringy guts out and threating to get them on my little sister, muahaahah!

I love that the pumpkin is still holding his carving tool!

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This reminds of Ramy's "brainwashing" entry, concept-wise. I'm not saying you rely on cliched and sometimes stolen gimmicks like he does (e.g., his copying the style of Dr. Seuss), but I remember his getting a lot of flack for how gross the design was. Just trying to point out that some people hate Ramy no matter what he designs.

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I want $4 if this wins for my "guts" suggestion. Me gusta.

srm8ib4 wrote:This reminds of Ramy's "brainwashing" entry, concept-wise. I'm not saying you rely on cliched and sometimes stolen gimmicks like he does (e.g., his copying the style of Dr. Seuss), but I remember his getting a lot of flack for how gross the design was. Just trying to point out that some people hate Ramy no matter what he designs.

And also for how he bit Dr. Seuss's style wholesale, but thanks for trying.

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bootsboots you've done it again! it's clever, cute and funny! love it!!!

AdderXYU wrote:And also for how he bit Dr. Seuss's style wholesale, but thanks for trying.

I did mention that in my post if you read it. I was specifically referring to how disgusted people were to the concept of washing brains. I don't see how the concept of hollowing out humans left revolting.

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I love it. You are a great artist, but you are witty too and that is a rare combo.

gekiere wrote:Would be better without the words.

I agree.

srm8ib4 wrote:I did mention that in my post if you read it. I was specifically referring to how disgusted people were to the concept of washing brains. I don't see how the concept of hollowing out humans left revolting.

This one isn't as gross or as creepy as Ramy's. Maybe because it was Dr. Seuss' style, or the body parts were being removed while still in the body, I'm not quite sure!

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...so excellent, as always.

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I Love it! but the text just doesn't do it for me! Minus the text and I'd buy it in a heart beat.

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Wow - this really is gruesome but I like it a lot.

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Brilliant concept!

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Artwork is intriguing, definitely caught my eye while scrolling through the mass of entries. Got my vote!

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Hehehe, you're the only one preventing a Drakxxx weekend. Go Boots! (Though I really, really like one his shirts )

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You managed to make gutting a child cute and comical at the same time. If that isn't art, I don't know what is! Good job sir.

Jestik wrote:
It's macabre, in the style of cute!

Well put. The mixing of such an incongruous theme and style really works out much better than I could've expected.

GMV this week, Boots.

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I would wear this year-round, even on Mother's Day. Great work Boots!

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I liked the original, but I really, really, really, really, really, really love it with the fixed up speech bubbles. I haven't wanted a shirt this badly in a very long time - I'm excited for this one!!

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Thanks for the comments, everyone! And big thanks to everyone who made suggestions. I think I incorporated most of them in some way. You were all a big help.

@Kyle - "Guts" was a nice idea. If $4 is all you're charging, I can totally swing that. ;)

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Made with brains and talent

Awesome work! GMV

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Only thing I don't like about this is the text. Doesn't really need it to show the point of the shirt. Such a lovely design, though. :]

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Great characters, but what pushes this over the top is the cool looking pedestals- this will sell like hotcakes!

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Weird, I've been watching a lot of stuff about Egyptians lately and this strikes a chord in me, where my guts would usually be.

I like the change to round speech bubbles a lot, VOTED!

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I like it- seems like the text doesn't add to it much as the message is really there in the art. I guess if anything the "I did" is too obvious, wheras "Save the guts!" is pretty funny. Still has my vote!

On Halloween, pumpkin carve you *Coolface*

Elfkid wrote:I like it- seems like the text doesn't add to it much as the message is really there in the art. I guess if anything the "I did" is too obvious, wheras "Save the guts!" is pretty funny. Still has my vote!

I know, I know. The text was actually more of an artistic decision (the second bubble, anyway). I thought the design looked visually unbalanced without it. I don't think that the "I did" bubble really detracts from the design at all (although, you're right it doesn't really add much to it humor-wise either).

Again, thanks everyone for the votes, comments and help! Much appreciated! If you threw a party and invited everyone you knew, you would see the biggest gift would be from me and the card attached would say...

BootsBoots wrote:I know, I know. The text was actually more of an artistic decision (the second bubble, anyway). I thought the design looked visually unbalanced without it. I don't think that the "I did" bubble really detracts from the design at all (although, you're right it doesn't really add much to it humor-wise either).

Again, thanks everyone for the votes, comments and help! Much appreciated! If you threw a party and invited everyone you knew, you would see the biggest gift would be from me and the card attached would say...

"Save the guts!"

"You can make pie!"

Josephus wrote:"Save the guts!"

"You can make pie!"

Oh, you're right. Something like "Save the futs*" "We'll make a pie!" would have been funnier text. The other problem is that I didn't want the text to outshine the design. In the end I'm happy with "I did" since it adds to the design visually without making the text stand out too much. I'm sure some people will disagree though.

*that's a typo there, but I think it's kind of funny, so I'm leaving it.

BootsBoots wrote:Oh, you're right. Something like "Save the futs*" "We'll make a pie!" would have been funnier text. The other problem is that I didn't want the text to outshine the design. In the end I'm happy with "I did" since it adds to the design visually without making the text stand out too much. I'm sure some people will disagree though.

*that's a typo there, but I think it's kind of funny, so I'm leaving it.

I think "Save the futs!" should be a t-shirt.

Tanapangarap wrote:I think "Save the futs!" should be a t-shirt.

I kind of do too!

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Amidst all the drama this week with fogged designs, this design has been a constant: a great design that hasn't left the fog despite the surrounding fog entries being of dubious quality (not so much beefcoat's design, however).

I really, truly hope this design makes it to print.

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perfect edits!

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What a great way to scare the scaffolding out of the little kids! Even though I personally wouldn't want to wear it... you just may get my vote anyways, just so I know a reign of fright covers the country! =D

jmmbell1987 wrote:Amidst all the drama this week with fogged designs, this design has been a constant: a great design that hasn't left the fog despite the surrounding fog entries being of dubious quality (not so much beefcoat's design, however).

I really, truly hope this design makes it to print.

Lol, me too? I'm so confused by everything this week. I don't know what the hell's going on.

Bandrik wrote:What a great way to scare the scaffolding out of the little kids! Even though I personally wouldn't want to wear it... you just may get my vote anyways, just so I know a reign of fright covers the country! =D

i have a crush on bootsboots.


& her designs.

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I really love the shirt too, and its got my vote. I just have to second(or third?) that it could have stood on its own without the text, and I would have liked it better that way.

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Another great one, Boots!

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Dear BootsBoots,

This is awesome! I would wear it.

Have a great week,
Studio1172

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I absolutely love your style as always, but this one might be a bit morbid for me, haha. It really puts the cruelty of pumpkin carving into perspective though, I'll give you that. How would we like it if our guts were pulled out through our heads? I will assuredly think twice this year before picking up my carving knife.

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I am such a big fan of morbid + cute. This is right on the bullseye for me, Boots!

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This makes me so happy! I really hope it wins =D

my god... I'm a med student taking anatomy right now, and I wonder if it's professional for me to wear this down to the lab...

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So happy to see this shirt holding up in the fog, I can't wait to buy it and wear it while pumpkin carving.

Maybe I'll wear it to my daughter's school for their Halloween parade. :o)

shangliu wrote:my god... I'm a med student taking anatomy right now, and I wonder if it's professional for me to wear this down to the lab...

DO IT! That's hilarious

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Love the shirt but the text is unnecessary. I think it hinders more than helps. Otherwise this is in my top 2

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Haaahahahaaa LoveIttttttttttttttttttttt...

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has my vote either way, but would've liked it better without the text as well.

we should be able to have some sort of parallel poll to the voting-

WHO WOULD RATHER HAVE THE SHIRT WITHOUT TEXT?

I feel no need to explain this as literally every single other comment I've observed relating to the text is either apathetic or approving to the idea of removing it.

I refuse to believe that W00t would be unable to allow such a change to occur without a loss in votes. If they claim that it's "to be fair", that's bull as it's hardly a design change and it's already doing well enough to prove that it would not be done so to receive a boost in the rankings but to please those that brought it there.

hope it happens!

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Awesome idea. Original, tactful, and witty. I'd defiantly get this. Well done Boots.

.:gdoermann:.

Oh.. and I'd prefer it without the text, but I'd buy it either way.

.:gdoermann:.

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This is my favorite. It is pretty awesome.

Zackismet wrote:we should be able to have some sort of parallel poll to the voting-

WHO WOULD RATHER HAVE THE SHIRT WITHOUT TEXT?

I feel no need to explain this as literally every single other comment I've observed relating to the text is either apathetic or approving to the idea of removing it.

I refuse to believe that W00t would be unable to allow such a change to occur without a loss in votes. If they claim that it's "to be fair", that's bull as it's hardly a design change and it's already doing well enough to prove that it would not be done so to receive a boost in the rankings but to please those that brought it there.

hope it happens!

I'm going to buy it either way

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For some reason, it's been so soothing to look at the fog all through this derby and see the thumbnail of this happy pumpkin removing someone's brain.

HalfWheat wrote:For some reason, it's been so soothing to look at the fog all through this derby and see the thumbnail of this happy pumpkin removing someone's brain.

For reasons I can't entirely explain, that statement made me laugh so hard, that my brain now hurts.

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Clever..fun!
got my vote.

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Just wanted to say one more thanks to everyone for all the votes, comments, and critiques. Appreciated.

bethlehemstarr wrote:For reasons I can't entirely explain, that statement made me laugh so hard, that my brain now hurts.

Hahahaha made me laugh too. Though not that hard.

Boots - are they "Saving the Guts" to make a "Kid-Spiced" Halloween Ale?

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Love the shirt but I don;t like the text.

I also don't understand how it is still around the derby clearly says no text. I would buy it in a second if it had no text with the text maybe.

slicerd wrote:Love the shirt but I don;t like the text.

I also don't understand how it is still around the derby clearly says no text. I would buy it in a second if it had no text with the text maybe.

The derby rules state that "incidental text" is allowed, which this submission's text falls under.