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tgentry wrote:After a bunch of Internet scouring I've found a lot more examples of Green Tara that look like this than Shiva. While this particular design may be associated with Shiva by some, it looks more often like Green Tara, and as uhhuhhuhhuh noted the association of an atomic bomb with enlightenment is not exactly what I was aiming for. With that in mind I'm going to email Joel to pull this. Thanks for all the support on it and thanks to uhhuhhuhhuh for pointing this out. I'd much rather pull it now than have it print and be the guy that completely got someone's religion wrong on a shirt.

D= !! They both look similar. Don't pull it.

Re: Helium: Rising Up

I WANT IT

Looks awesome!!! Would like it white or that red.

tgentry wrote:After a bunch of Internet scouring I've found a lot more examples of Green Tara that look like this than Shiva. While this particular design may be associated with Shiva by some, it looks more often like Green Tara, and as uhhuhhuhhuh noted the association of an atomic bomb with enlightenment is not exactly what I was aiming for. With that in mind I'm going to email Joel to pull this. Thanks for all the support on it and thanks to uhhuhhuhhuh for pointing this out. I'd much rather pull it now than have it print and be the guy that completely got someone's religion wrong on a shirt.

Wow..... a shame, i'd feel fine losing to yours over some other options. but i respect your integrity.. Hope to see a reworked version on threadless or DBH sometime.

ellisto wrote:steampunk++

THANKS!!! I tried my best!

Re: Plutonium: Shiva's Plaything (v2)

I'm a Buddhist, and I voted for this shirt. It didn't occur to me that this looked like green Tara; the face looks masculine to me. I thought you had copied a Nepali statue of Shiva (and done a beautiful job, by the way). I've seen green depictions of Shiva... Perhaps the thing to do would be to ask a Hindu whether or not the wrathful aspect of Shiva is ever done in green. If so, you've got perfect authenticity and are good to go.

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tgentry wrote:What exactly about this is specific to Tara instead of Shiva? I'm curious because A) I'd hate to think I actually offended someone and B) All of the sculptures of both Shiva and Tara that I've seen all look very different from one another.

Here's a Shiva sculpture similar to the one I based this picture on.

And another one that's very similar that says it's a Tara sculpture.

Anyone know anything more about this? Can it be either/or or is someone mistaken?

The White Tara mask in this link has a third eye in the middle of the forehead. In the traditional iconography, White Tara has seven eyes: three on the face, two on the hands, and two on the feet. But she is best recognized by her mudras (hand positions), which are the same as for Green Tara (described in next paragraph), except that she generally holds two lotus flowers instead of one. White Tara sits fully cross-legged.

Green Tara is generally not depicted with seven eyes. She is identifiable as Tara based upon her mudras: the left hand holds a lotus flower at the heart center (stem is between thumb and ring finger), while the right hand rests on her knee (with thumb and ring finger joined). Unlike White Tara, Green Tara is depicted as sitting with one leg extended.

I don't know anything at all about Shiva's identifying characteristics. I'm sure there are standards in the Hindu iconography, though, and asking a Hindu would likely clear it up.

tgentry wrote:Thanks Spryte, that does help. I think in this case I would rather err on the side of caution than have something printed that I'd really regret later on. Maybe not regret on the level of, say, Dragontine's Day, but regret nonetheless. Thanks again for the expert view. ;)

Your design is beautifully done and with a few minor adjustments could be iconographically acurate and unoffensive. I'm not an expert, but know a little about comparative religion and iconography - I believe that Shiva is associated chiefly with Hinduism and is usually depicted with matted hair piled on his head, with a third eye, and sometimes with more than two hands. He is sometimes adorned with a snake draped over his shoulders - and sometimes has a blue throat because legend has it that he swallowed the poison that emanated from the Ganges and saved mankind.
Tara was associated with Hinuism in the form of the goddess Parvati - but she was adopted by Buddhism around the 6th Century. She is one of the most venerated Buddhist Deities, especially in Tibet. She is usually depicted adorned with jewels, and with an either open or closed lotus blossom depending on which manifestation of Tara she is. She usually has voluminous hair and elaborate adornments of a bodhisattva - which means selfless and heroic.

Webfoot08 wrote:Believe me, I've had a malicious rejection. Whoever did the rejection (Joel, I'm assuming) said my shirt promoted fascism, of all things. I think he must have been on crack or drunk at the time. But yeah, I've felt that sting, so I know what you're talking about.

Maybe I don't take it so seriously now since I stopped submitting designs. FWIW, I hope you never get another rejection like the fish one. That was not nice. And I usually vote for your designs, because you usually submit good stuff.

But don't read too much into what I said, please. I'll go over what I said again: If this one gets rejected at the last minute like yours did, there won't really be any question as to why, and if it does, it's anybody's guess why they would leave it until the last minute, but they could. Since they've done it before, who knows what they'll decide to do?

I was stating a supposition as to what might happen, not saying "This is what WILL happen", and I said I don't get all upset about Woot's shenanigans anymore. I think it's okay for me to say that, don't you? I'm not saying how other people should feel, just how I feel.

EDIT: My apologies to rglee - sorry about the discussion here.

Oh Webfoot, everything you said was perfectly fine. I had no issues with your points and theoreticals. It was a well written post. I hope mine didn't come back as negative or irate. god bless you if you can put up with it. Most times I do. But it can be at least frustrating and confusing. I'm just hoping that this doesn't get rejected at this point. My REAL point is I wish woot was better at communicating with us. Just a two sentence answer on this and any other what ifs that were in the past saying "ya, we saw this and we have decided to let it stay". Or something similar.
And yes, sorry for derailing the thread here. I'll get it back on track . .

Rglee, this is very well done, I wish it luck and I wish all your designs in the future luck since you obviously spend time on your work.

sokowa wrote:Oh Webfoot, everything you said was perfectly fine. I had no issues with your points and theoreticals. It was a well written post. I hope mine didn't come back as negative or irate. god bless you if you can put up with it. Most times I do. But it can be at least frustrating and confusing. I'm just hoping that this doesn't get rejected at this point. My REAL point is I wish woot was better at communicating with us. Just a two sentence answer on this and any other what ifs that were in the past saying "ya, we saw this and we have decided to let it stay". Or something similar.
And yes, sorry for derailing the thread here. I'll get it back on track . .

Rglee, this is very well done, I wish it luck and I wish all your designs in the future luck since you obviously spend time on your work.

No problem Webfoot and Sokowa! And yes, I do spend a lot of time on my work. Clip art of this calibre is buried DEEP in Google images. I JOKE, I JOKE!

tgentry wrote:Thanks guys for all the info and advice. The best I can figure is it still could go either way. I tattled on the entry, I'll leave it up for the woot guys to decide what they think is best. It's highly likely it won't make it to print anyway.

I'll disagree about the making it to print - spots 3-5 are really really tight right now.

But I am incredibly impressed with your character, gentry, and your willingness to do the right thing.

I look forward to voting for another of your beautiful designs next derby!

Shirter wrote:Dont let this happen to you...

A 19 year old female M.I.T. student was arrested at gunpoint after entering Boston's Logan International Airport with what authorities claim was "a fake bomb" strapped to her chest, according to wire reports.
Cut out the image...

If they'll do this to a bunch of wires, what will they do to a nuclear device??

By a nuclear device, do you mean a printed t-shirt? If that's the case, then probably nothing...

I like the design itself well, but I'm not too big of a fan on how it was displayed. But, I guess most people are, so good luck and job, regardless of my personal opinion.

daftvillain wrote:By a nuclear device, do you mean a printed t-shirt? If that's the case, then probably nothing...

I like the design itself well, but I'm not too big of a fan on how it was displayed. But, I guess most people are, so good luck and job, regardless of my personal opinion.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's the way in which one states that opinion that determines their true worth.


"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire

Re: Plutonium: Shiva's Plaything (v2)

i have been in awe of this design since you first posted it. it is the best design IMO you have done since i started entering the derby. i can't see how anyone could mistake this as anyone but Shiva given Oppenheimer's famous quote and the design's dominate theme of Plutonium.

so what do you think of this design?

best shirt in the derby. i voted on it when it only had about 10 votes. so glad to see it in the fog. hopefully now it continues to kick as and come in first!

toe2254 wrote:i have been in awe of this design since you first posted it. it is the best design IMO you have done since i started entering the derby. i can't see how anyone could mistake this as anyone but Shiva given Oppenheimer's famous quote and the design's dominate theme of Plutonium.

For what it's worth, I agree with Toe. I love this design (and I'm usually adamantly against weapons/bombs/explosions, etc. on a shirt.)

I think upon first glance, it's possible to mistake the image for Green Tara....but mainly because of the color of the design and the jeweled headdress. Upon closer inspection, you can see the serpent details on the side, the more masculine hands and facial features and with the underlying theme of Plutonium, the link to Shiva seems abundantly clear.

It would be a shame to see this one pulled so late in the derby...but I can also understand your desire to depict one's religion accurately. Here's hoping you get the information you need from someone 'in the know'.

jordoharpo wrote:I would have voted for this one had it been allowed to keep the word bubble, but wearing this shirt around without the word bubble, people would just look at me like "What the f#*k?"

Yeah, ditto to that, unfortunately. I don't really get the incidental text thing because there are some shirts that haven't been rejected and they have quite a bit of text. I'm sorry to say but this shirt makes more sense with the bubble. Perhaps next time? (Chemistry theme maybe?) I would definitely vote for it then.

Re: Tin: Old Skool

hope this gets printed

Re: Tin: The Tin Man Cometh...

Why is this not winning...come on WIN already I must wear you and feel cooler by doing so.

Broadway2124 wrote:bummer.

HA just resub it with "Oxygen" instead of wind

Silverpsycho wrote:Geez louise! I keep coming here and hoping this one is in the fog...so vote for this one people and make it happen!

This is so appropriate for Tim Burton's rendition of Alice in Wonderland in the works. With Depp as the Mad Hatter and all, I would proudly wear this one to the first showing.

Plus, I am a Disney and horror fanatic so the combination is evident in this very shirt. Again, I really want this shirt so I truly hope it gets printed.

I need to keep tabs on Tim Burton more often... He's doing a new movie version of AiW? I was kidding about dep as the Hatter earlier. I didn't know it was really happening. Awesome.

this design is really nice. i hope woot doesn't have any print limitations.

JadenKale wrote:I need to keep tabs on Tim Burton more often... He's doing a new movie version of AiW? I was kidding about dep as the Hatter earlier. I didn't know it was really happening. Awesome.

Yes, Depp is signed on to play the Hatter. A lot of people are joking on other forums in saying he should just wear the same costume he wore in Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. llo I'm pretty psyched about it, as I can always go for a good Burton flick.

Silverpsycho wrote:Yes, Depp is signed on to play the Hatter. A lot of people are joking on other forums in saying he should just wear the same costume he wore in Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. llo I'm pretty psyched about it, as I can always go for a good Burton flick.

where did you find this information? IMDB has no record of the production time yet.
edit: I found it. Due out 2010. HA! I'm 2 years ahead of the times.

JadenKale wrote:where did you find this information? IMDB has no record of the production time yet.
edit: I found it. Due out 2010. HA! I'm 2 years ahead of the times.

If this doesn't print here... you should contact the movie production company about some movie related designs.... ;)

Re: Uranium: 92 Protons of Boom

this is a cool one

IROCit wrote:If this doesn't print here... you should contact the movie production company about some movie related designs.... ;)

I don't know if it's evil enough for Tim Burton.... It may be too innocent. I might have to rework it if I did that.

Re: Uranium: The One-Way Cargo of the Enola pleasantly upbeat

*giggles*.. the Enola pleasantly upbeat <----- woot filter... *giggles*

JadenKale wrote:where did you find this information? IMDB has no record of the production time yet.
edit: I found it. Due out 2010. HA! I'm 2 years ahead of the times.

I have heard the news from various places since I keep up on Disney info. on a daily basis. However, here's an article I ran into:
http://iconsoffright.com/news/2008/07/are_johnny_depp_tim_burton_reu.html

Your shirt is also very reminiscent of The Nightmare Before Christmas (the evil side of the mayor), which also works for the upcoming DVD re-release and first time on Blu-Ray...woohoo! Which is August 26th in case if anyone is wondering. :D

Yup, all around perfect timing for this shirt with so much Burton news circulating.

Re: Tin: Old Skool

I would adore this shirt like none other. And probably wear it to pieces. I suppose that means I should get two?

C:

Silverpsycho wrote:I have heard the news from various places since I keep up on Disney info. on a daily basis. However, here's an article I ran into:
http://iconsoffright.com/news/2008/07/are_johnny_depp_tim_burton_reu.html

Your shirt is also very reminiscent of The Nightmare Before Christmas (the evil side of the mayor), which also works for the upcoming DVD re-release and first time on Blu-Ray...woohoo! Which is August 26th in case if anyone is wondering. :D

Yup, all around perfect timing for this shirt with so much Burton news circulating.

oooh very cool. Well then... find your friends Silver and get them in here already!

Man this is good stuff. Bummed that it's only at 7th, since it should clearly be number 1. Let's hope the staff gives this one a chance even if it doesn't win! For sure in for one if I can!

Re: Helium: Octo's Great Adventure