eHalcyon


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ansharp wrote:You and your friends can look at my total posts and look into my reputation and see that I'm not a troll. As I stated, there are many bad entries and many that get printed that I hold my tongue about or offer constructive criticism. For me to get offended over a design is a rare thing, but this design was distasteful to me from the moment I saw it. SO, instead of secretly hating it, I decided to post here and clearly point out why I find it offensive to MY sense of aesthetics. Did I say other people should be offended? No, but I am. If people are allowed to stop by and say "Hey, I love zombies, so you GMV," then I should be allowed to say "Hey, I don't like this shirt for these following reasons..." without everyone getting all up in a puff about it. Perhaps if the artist didn't have a history of negativity and elitism, I would have felt being nice and making suggestions would work. That, however, is not the case. If stating my honest opinion in the way I see best makes me an "a**hole" as you so eloquently put it, then so be it. Please attack and insult me with more poor spelling and incorrect grammar. I will not respond because it will get us nowhere.

By the way, I'm not a sir.



I can't remember the exact goings-on when ds made those comments, but from what I've observed in the derbies, those remarks would be the exception and not the norm. For the most part, he's been a nice guy around here. Perhaps he's displayed "negativity and elitism" a couple times in the past, but I certainly don't think he's had an entire history of it.

(Edit: Ok, my memory may be a bit fuzzy so maybe there were more of those comments than I remember, but I feel that ds is a nice guy now, even if he acted like a jerk in the past...)

I agree that it's entirely within your rights to dislike this shirt, and I'd especially like to point out that you gave reasons for it, which is much better than the hundreds of genuinely hateful and unconstructive comments that get dropped in these forums. ansharp is definitely not a troll.

As to your concerns specifically - the printable area and the overall shape are really the only ones I agree with. Colours could have been better, but it's not that bad IMO. The only large expanse of ink is lower on the shirt so I don't think it would be as big a problem, and the ink-coverage problem isn't any worse than some other recent prints.

I saw the word "Zombie" right away and I don't see how this one makes any less sense outside the context of the derby than any other submission thus far. What is there to get? tgentry's "52 Pickup!" is one of my favourites in the derby because I'm an avid card player, but it suffers even more from "legibility". Spin it a different way and it's a positive - it's subtle. I don't think anyone would, from a glance, "get" the card shirt outside the context of the derby.

Memes are memes. Meh.

I absolutely agree that submissions outside the printing boundaries should be rejected right away. I also agree that the placement is a bit... strange and unflattering.

I do applaud ds for his unique (if meme-ish) application of the humans-forming-letters idea. The zombie positions don't look contrived at all and form very recognizable letters (to me, at least). Personally, I'm not a big fan of zombie shirts. Speaking of which, I should really put my Zombie Hunting up on tee trade...

So, uhhh, in conclusion - I think ansharp was relatively respectful in her comment (have you guys been paying attention to all the carp comments on woot?) and even though I don't agree with most of her points, I still think she is a great person. I like this design (though not enough to buy it) and I think it should be resized to within boundaries and resubmitted.

Now to see how many people I offended in my attempt at staying neutral...



illuminator wrote:@enin:
The design template DID change a bit, this one below is the same design on woot's Adobe Illustrator template available on the submission page right now.



Woah... seriously? Woot didn't announce any changes to the template (or am I blind?) so I've been assuming that I have the most recent version. The bounding box on my template is nowhere near that large.

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capttylor34


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JPHans wrote:err... "feel" left out.

Though i would correct that or people may start mistaking me for Jeff. That guy has terrible spelling and grammar. Gosh...



jerk, so I'm terrible at spelling , give me a break.

halfjapanesegirl


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I can't wait to buy these shirts!

shamloo


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amykate wrote:How accurate is that placement? I like the shirt, but will the print be on my neck?



Print is intended to be as high and as wide as possible, most likely the first pick will be even with the bottom of the collar.

halfjapanesegirl


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cmdixon2 wrote:Are you serious?



Are you a Druish princess?

ciro


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I don't think there is anything wrong with not liking a design, or really anything for that matter. Although, I do think that the criticism should stay more on the constructive side. Since this site should be a community of sorts, we should be respectful of peoples entries, even when offering criticism. Being tasteful never goes out of style.

mamaGiraffe


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Re: Did you say...?



Hey, I know how to get more votes! Maybe if I redo this and have the zebra playing nintendo.....
or maybe if the zebra is being attacked by an octopus......

ciro


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Babylonian


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Re: Can You Spell BRAAAINS!



this is my favorite design ever.

haydawn


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very cool shirt!!! hope it is a winner cause I want one!!!

capttylor34


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eHalcyon wrote:Woah... seriously? Woot didn't announce any changes to the template (or am I blind?) so I've been assuming that I have the most recent version. The bounding box on my template is nowhere near that large.



Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the idea of criticism, but i feel that ansharp chose the wrong language when she critiqued the design. Her points are valid, but the way she delivered them was very rude in my opinion. In fact I love hearing critique, i just wish she wouldn't have worded it in a way that, i view, is quite spiteful towards the artist. I also want to state that i understand that ansharp isn't trolling, especially since she has posted over 1300 times on this site, and i'm sure has seen much worse comments made on other pieces. However i disagree with the idea that that because she wasn't nearly bad as other post that it was the best way to get her opinion across, because we are now attempting to defend one another, rather than talking about the piece.

I also would like to apologize if my comment earlier offended you ansharp.

knye13


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you should win, but your smaller pic that everyone sees is too vague, makes everyone skip over it.

dsladek


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fablefire wrote:They always come back... <_<



so true.

Lhymes


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jahrpm wrote:Not really, those on here that know me personally know that i chose to be positve and encourage rather tear down someone for trying their hardest and doing their best...i appreciate that...i even appreciate the time that you took to point this out to all the other designers in the derby...Thanks!!



"...Thanks!!" What a friggen d.bag comment. Oh man do I want Woot to pull this shirt down bad.

MostBestestBuddy


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Re: Curiosity Kills...



I really like the "T", but the "Y" makes me sad poor kitty
Anyway, clever design and the T kitty is way cute

Acorns


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I wonder if there is actually some way to get this on the oscilloscope. Anyawy, GMV. It allows me to express my geeky ways without looking too geeky to the entire world!

Lhymes


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HoneyShrimp wrote:So you were the kid that ruined it for everyone else? I see not much has changed. Childish things are the best things in life.



Not so. If you'd re-read what I wrote maybe you'd understand. I loved bugs, dinosaurs, robots and the like. Even today not much has changed, however, again, I have always thought educational shirts geared at children were childish attempts at something educational by clueless or disconnected adults. Kids don't need male shirts advertising to learn about something to learn about it.

blammoed


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Did this one as a play on the X-Files poster. Ideas are pretty spacey this derby.
Comments and votes always welcome and appreciated.

TAYLORT5


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ansharp wrote:When was the last time anyone saw a zombie? Or an anthropomorphic foodstuff?

I'm sorry that I made you sad, but if I had used all the colors of the spectrum plus a color for the clouds, I would have 8 inks, 7 if I was creative and used the shirt color, which is one too many. It's a simple design, and thus, I chose to keep the color palette simple as well so as to maintain aesthetic coherence.

woot has printed some where that they would do a 7 color print , if it was good enough. don't you think this qualifies?


You're on probation!

You've been put on posting probation for this post for this reason: Ok, I deleted it 3 times. Do you not get it? (24h) Personal attack/useless post.

Please stare at the scary cartoon dog for 20 hours and then try posting again.

kidjohn


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Re: Politics


the inner workings of politics

acpletch


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Re: Ovaltina, my goat!



By far the best entry in this week's derby!!

dickbead


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Re: The Birds



carp. I submitted a design called "The Birds" after half-assedly scrolling thru the previous entries. I'm a jerk, there...I said it.

stellar design, btw. good luck in the Derby!

MostBestestBuddy


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Re: Coffee Stains!



As someone who puts in a lot of time and doesn’t often get too much attention, I feel special when someone says something nice about my work (so sincerely not begging for compliments). I noticed that jahrpm gave a lot of people nice comments, but it still made me feel good and I didn’t think that people should be giving him a hard time even if he seemed to be campaigning. My main thought behind this was that he didn’t link to his design in his sig, so it didn’t seem like he was promoting, and maybe he just spends a lot of time on shirt.woot and wanted to pass on encouragement. But if as some people are convincingly suggesting he was in fact insincere and lying about voting, then I am hurt. Well I think this is the longest comment I have ever posted, but for some silly reason I really care about this.

dickbead


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dickbead wrote:carp. I submitted a design called "The Birds" after half-assedly scrolling thru the previous entries. I'm a jerk, there...I said it.

stellar design, btw. good luck in the Derby!



"carp", I guess that should be "carp"...should probably go to bed at this point.

dickbead


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dickbead wrote:"carp", I guess that should be "carp"...should probably go to bed at this point.



interesting, "c r a p" results in "carp" on here...go figure.

piratedave78


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jahrpm wrote:Not really, those on here that know me personally know that i chose to be positve and encourage rather tear down someone for trying their hardest and doing their best...i appreciate that...i even appreciate the time that you took to point this out to all the other designers in the derby...Thanks!!



Now I'm angry. It's fine to be encouraging, but to LIE about voting for a shirt? How DARE you?

piratedave78


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piratedave78 wrote:Now I'm angry. It's fine to be encouraging, but to LIE about voting for a shirt? How DARE you?



And HOW is it encouraging to tell an artist "GMV" when you don't even bother to actually VOTE FOR THE SHIRT?????

Paradox55


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jahrpm wrote:Not really, those on here that know me personally know that i chose to be positve and encourage rather tear down someone for trying their hardest and doing their best...i appreciate that...i even appreciate the time that you took to point this out to all the other designers in the derby...Thanks!!



If I were a designer, I would personally find it insulting, not encouraging, to be told that I had your vote, only to be lied to.

tabrazinski


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i hate zombies. really. but i think this is well done, so good luck. also, i don't have a problem with the placement, but maybe i'm in the minority on this one.

BootsBoots


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lexingtondk wrote:Very sharp looking colors--it's eye-popping. I like it, GMV!



Thanks. I'm still praying for Lincoln.


BootsBoots


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Patchitect wrote:Great design! not sure why its not doing better.. I love how the image and the word work together to mean more then the sum of their parts



Thankya, Patch. Nice of you to say.


BootsBoots


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Re: I believe



It's very cute. The cow holding the chicken is my favorite part. Sickly cute!


madden95


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Re: The Birds



smart and spooky. I love it!

Keelmy


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bellyup13 wrote:wait...i didn't *giggles* weird, but i now i can vote and this was my first! hope it helps! cause i really want this one...did i say that already?



I think I'll look into opening up a cafepress account one day soon. I'll PM you when I get around to it and when the rights are returned.

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Keelmy


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Re: Hold 'em



Glad to see you got it in. Looks great, won't be surprised to see this one fly past mine.

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Keelmy


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Re: You Are Here



I'm lost, where do I transfer from the 9 to the A? +1

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Keelmy


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Re: juice



Cute stuff. Its a little low but doesn't bug me.

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Keelmy


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littlejetties wrote:Well, it got only one response when I posted it, so I took that to mean nobody cared for it.

Thanks though.



Just remember that complainers/haters are usually more vocal.

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cobolisdead


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Re: I believe



Cute design! I like the cows!

GMV!

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

cobolisdead


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testure wrote:bleh, another NES cash in. they need to make NES-shirt.woot.com and get it over with so we can see some original designs in these derbies.



I'd much rather have this than more original Birds, Octupus, Scared food, Trees, Turtles, or clip art.


Anyways, GMV.

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.