hotcha wrote:How is the implementation of the reference not his idea? If i had made the shirt it would look different. So clearly the way it was drawn is his idea.
Of course you mean the objects in the shirt, ooze and baby turtles. But nobody is arguing that those are his idea, so at best you've got a strawman argument.
Maybe nobody is addressing your points because they fall over so quickly.
My point is, was, has been that the content/concept/idea is 100% unoriginal. You all agree with me. The artist agrees with me. And yet even though we are all in agreement about that fact, my point, the thing I've been talking about the whole time, you all insist on telling me I'm wrong about it. We agree it's an unoriginal idea, but yet I'm wrong when I say that it is.
You'd point out how this turtle is drawn over here, this one is this way, blah blah blah. I'm not even talking about how it's drawn. If it was a trace of the comic, movie, or cartoon, it would be a copyright infringement. It's not. NO ONE said it was, and yet you all are freaking out telling me why it's not. Learn the difference between conceptual elements and the execution of those elements then join the debate. Expressionless turtles crawling around ooze from a container. The artist added nothing to these conceptual elements. No commentary. No alternate take or parody. Nothing. We agree. If I draw a guy being bit by a radioactive spider I didn't come up with anything new just because he was facing left instead of right when I drew him or I made the picture look distressed. I wouldn't deserve a pat on the back for what an awesome idea I came up with. I'd be doing unoriginal fan art, which is what woot will be printing with this. Because I didn't put in the spiderman suit or logo means it's not a copyright offense. But that doesn't make it original either, it just means you won't get sued.
The whole thing I've been pointing out (and that as you said we all agree on) is the content/idea is unoriginal. And I'm glad we're all in agreement on that, even if you all seem to be going beyond that, countering arguments that no one is even making and telling me my point is invalid when we share the same view. Strawman arguments indeed.