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Supersugar wrote:Oh, Adder. So bitter and whiny. Good thing you have the internet to hide behind.

If you put half of the effort into making shirts that you put into ripping up other people's work, you'd have amazing work to show for it. As it is ... that "Blank Canvas" submission was ugly, dude. So stop complaining vicariously, and get better. The end.

Wow, that was Adder?? Dude....>.> I second this post.

Also to the post earlier complaining about paypal and not getting a shirt because of it, if you wanted the shirt so bad, why not just use a credit card?? Is that difficult to do??

Still happy I got this shirt. :D

michaelavelli wrote:Hi everyone. Sorry to interrupt the cat fight, but I'm new to Woot, as in just registered, basically because my girlfriend saw this t-shirt and loves it.

I'm just trying to get this straight, we have another opportunity to buy these shirts at midnight? As in 82 minutes or so from now? Is it midnight EST?

Thanks a lot.

No, if you're on EST time, it's 1am. Sorry. (But yes you can buy the shirt then. Someone posted a link earlier.)

SarahPants5 wrote:No, if you're on EST time, it's 1am. Sorry. (But yes you can buy the shirt then. Someone posted a link earlier.)

Cool, thanks for the info.

99% of the shirts at woot are questionable to say the least. This falls in the 1% category. And of course it's sold out );

chubbychuckles wrote:99% of the shirts at woot are questionable to say the least. This falls in the 1% category. And of course it's sold out );

It's kinda like the dating scene today. ;P

I'm so glad to see a shirt like this be sold on woot, because it's really original. Most shirts are just some sort of half-assed design, but this is completely amazing, well thought out, and totally original. Only a handful of designers can really make 80's pop culture references appeal to a lot of people.

michaelavelli wrote:Cool, thanks for the info.

They will be 15 dollars instead of the 10. Just some heads up

DrkRonin wrote:Im in for four... seeing as when i was in middle school three of my friends have had this running joke about how we were the ninja turtles...

(that was 2002) and we still get random presants of anything tutle related...XD

this shirt rules!!!

2002? that's relevant?

Cripes, TMNT was about 1984. I was in Jr,er middle school then.

SarahPants5 wrote:No, if you're on EST time, it's 1am. Sorry. (But yes you can buy the shirt then. Someone posted a link earlier.)

no, this shirt is sold out, tomorrow brings a new shirt.

michaelavelli wrote:Hi everyone. Sorry to interrupt the cat fight, but I'm new to Woot, as in just registered, basically because my girlfriend saw this t-shirt and loves it.

I'm just trying to get this straight, we have another opportunity to buy these shirts at midnight? As in 82 minutes or so from now? Is it midnight EST?

Thanks a lot.

see above post.

bugzappers2112 wrote:2002? that's relevant?

Cripes, TMNT was about 1984. I was in Jr,er middle school then.

I think he's just pointing out that 2002 was 7 years ago and it's still going on.

I wanted this :/

bugzappers2112 wrote:no, this shirt is sold out, tomorrow brings a new shirt.

Yea, on the main page...do you read through the forums before you speak? Give it a try. And see a doctor about that foot-in-mouth disease...

This shirt will be available at 1am EST (do the math for other time zones) for $15, and up for reckoning based on it's sales, so it could be available for a long time.

Supersugar wrote:Oh, Adder. So bitter and whiny. Good thing you have the internet to hide behind.

If you put half of the effort into making shirts that you put into ripping up other people's work, you'd have amazing work to show for it. As it is ... that "Blank Canvas" submission was ugly, dude. So stop complaining vicariously, and get better. The end.

SarahPants5 wrote:Wow, that was Adder?? Dude....>.> I second this post.

That was not Adder. It was a new designer by the name of "halledesign" (spelling might be wrong).



I'd also like to point out that the majority of opposition against Adder seems to be ad hominem. You're arguing against him because he's being relatively brash, and that's what you're pointing out. You're not arguing against his points, you're arguing against him, personally. It's a logical fallacy. No, his designs aren't the best. He's admitted it himself. That doesn't invalidate his arguments.

The substance of Adder's complaints are perfectly valid - this is, in point of fact, the same concept as in the comics. If you describe the scene on the shirt and the scene in the comics, they are the same. Original? Not at all.

That said, it was very smart of DeadFrog to put it on a shirt, to do so in a cute and aesthetically pleasing style, and in a way that isn't copyright infringement. Good shirt? Subjective. Most people will say yes, it's very good. Original shirt? Not subjective. There is no new spin to the TMNT origin story. If there is and I'm just misinformed, please let me know what the original story is, and what the spin on it is on this shirt.

Adder may have been rather tactless in his criticism, that much is true. But he's right.

Mavian wrote:Not to prolong a useless argument, but in a contest where people vote for a winner, it's generally going to be something they can relate to. TMNT was pretty big for the 20-25 year old bracket. While bringing something fresh and new to the table is nice, this design was well thought out and placed. I don't know how many times I've seen great art on here, but would never wear the shirt because it's art...not something you print on a t-shirt.

There's other printing sites that accommodate more artistic styles. I'd say Woot more panders to the wide audience rather than the esoteric, which is fine because nice designs such as these are made.

As for originality, in the shirt's actual thread, DF conceded that this design isn't original in the sense that it depicts something STRAIGHT from the show. So there is no debate about the "originality" of the piece.

Yes, people vote for things they can relate to, but that can be done and has been done without needlessly taking something directly from one medium, drawing it, and tossing it on a shirt. It's one thing to lose to a design that's simple, such as a great original concept executed with stick figures, but it's another to lose to a design where the only original concept involved was "Hey, let's put this on a shirt." Call me and others what you will, but at the point where the shirt's own designer will concede that the concept isn't original in any meaningful way, there's no real debate.

I'm not saying this didn't deserve to print or win. A sellout in 2.5 hours is impressive. All I'm saying is that given the facts about this design, it's understandable that other consumers and designers are somewhat upset. In all reality, all this shirt did, though, was keep another phoenix shirt from printing...unless something went wrong, in which case, I'll be sad.

i showed my girlfriend why i look for shirts at midnight, and i was in for one. and then at 2:22am, it sold out. that's why midnight hits and the lucky few who live nocturnally get rewarded with a wonderful shirt. in for one fo sho and i may snag a few more in the next three years when the shirt is on the reckoning list.

dangurous wrote:i showed my girlfriend why i look for shirts at midnight, and i was in for one. and then at 2:22am, it sold out. that's why midnight hits and the lucky few who live nocturnally get rewarded with a wonderful shirt. in for one fo sho and i may snag a few more in the next three years when the shirt is on the reckoning list.

Or the west coast, which it looks like most went to.... it's 10PM

eHalcyon wrote:That was not Adder. It was a new designer by the name of "halledesign" (spelling might be wrong).



I'd also like to point out that the majority of opposition against Adder seems to be ad hominem. You're arguing against him because he's being relatively brash, and that's what you're pointing out. You're not arguing against his points, you're arguing against him, personally. It's a logical fallacy. No, his designs aren't the best. He's admitted it himself. That doesn't invalidate his arguments.

The substance of Adder's complaints are perfectly valid - this is, in point of fact, the same concept as in the comics. If you describe the scene on the shirt and the scene in the comics, they are the same. Original? Not at all.

That said, it was very smart of DeadFrog to put it on a shirt, to do so in a cute and aesthetically pleasing style, and in a way that isn't copyright infringement. Good shirt? Subjective. Most people will say yes, it's very good. Original shirt? Not subjective. There is no new spin to the TMNT origin story. If there is and I'm just misinformed, please let me know what the original story is, and what the spin on it is on this shirt.

Adder may have been rather tactless in his criticism, that much is true. But he's right.

No no, eHalc. This shirt is good, because they said so.

Also, you say tactless, I say brutally realistic. Anyone who would argue the things people are arguing in this thread deserves their ignorance noted. There is no creativity here. Plain and simple. Liking this shirt, you are saying you like things which have no creativity. There is no other way around it.

And feel free to blast my work while you're at it. You are defending this shirt. I don't claim to be a master class artist, but I sure as hell know better than to care if someone who finds this shirt to be worthwhile doesn't like my work. Just like I wouldn't be offended if a McDonalds addict hated my food. Just like I wouldn't join a health class taught by Amy Winehouse. When you stand for the antithesis of something, no one should trust your judgment on it.

AdderXYU wrote:Also, you say tactless, I say brutally realistic.

Those are synonyms.

AdderXYU wrote:No no, eHalc. This shirt is good, because they said so.

Also, you say tactless, I say brutally realistic. Anyone who would argue the things people are arguing in this thread deserves their ignorance noted. There is no creativity here. Plain and simple. Liking this shirt, you are saying you like things which have no creativity. There is no other way around it.

And feel free to blast my work while you're at it. You are defending this shirt. I don't claim to be a master class artist, but I sure as hell know better than to care if someone who finds this shirt to be worthwhile doesn't like my work. Just like I wouldn't be offended if a McDonalds addict hated my food. Just like I wouldn't join a health class taught by Amy Winehouse. When you stand for the antithesis of something, no one should trust your judgment on it.

Again, I didn't blast your work as not "world class art." I argued that it is unoriginal. You blatantly ripped off the Brewers' mascot and the old 80s show Reading Rainbow and then you attack people for being uncreative. You have to be the most hypocritical person I've encountered.

But even if we let your deficiencies pass without question, your logic stinks. It is simply terrible. This is a T-SHIRT DESIGN website. T-SHIRTS! Not everyone wants to wear a Van Gogh or Monet quality work of art on their shirt. Some people want to express themselves in more simple ways -- a slogan or a timeless reference that they can identify with. You need to chill the heck out and stop insulting everyone.

Furthermore, Woot is a discount SITE and shirt.woot is a discount T-SHIRT site (Good stuff cheap if you will). Why are you so insistent that every design be studio quality artwork? You can't design a shirt worth a penny yet you need to attack everyone else to validate yourself. That just leads me to believe that you are a miserable person.

Finally, even if we accept your logic that only great art should win these contests...You clearly know nothing about modern art/are totally ignorant yourself. How many works of modern art are copies or depictions of common designs or expressions? Have you ever heard of Andy Warhol? You'd probably attack him for being unoriginal. Simply...you have no clue what you are talking about.

Part of me hopes you are 13 with your Daddy's credit card....because any other possibility makes me worry about your sanity.

Had to pick up one of these great shirts even though it cost an extra $5 (didn't wake up soon enough on Friday).

bugzappers2112 wrote:no, this shirt is sold out, tomorrow brings a new shirt.

Wow, you've made over 1200 posts but apparently you haven't read many. Every time a shirt sales out there are several posts explaining how to buy the shirt the next day and still soooo many people don't know. If someone really wanted the shirt they would take the time to find out how to get it.

Oh, and....... to make this a legit post and not just a flame......love the concept even if it isn't original. Wouldn't wear it, though. I'm too old to pull it off.

Awesome shirt.

iGGz wrote:i really want this shirt...



has there been a 'vintage' derby?

Too bad you missed this one:
http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=6367

iGGz wrote:but i realllllly want these shirts too:





... could someone make knockoffs of these as well so i can be a dullard and a cheapskate and buy them for $10?

pleeeeease

Too bad you missed these:
http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=4079
http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=5596

Topspin14 wrote:Again, I didn't blast your work as not "world class art." I argued that it is unoriginal. You blatantly ripped off the Brewers' mascot and the old 80s show Reading Rainbow and then you attack people for being uncreative. You have to be the most hypocritical person I've encountered.

But even if we let your deficiencies pass without question, your logic stinks. It is simply terrible. This is a T-SHIRT DESIGN website. T-SHIRTS! Not everyone wants to wear a Van Gogh or Monet quality work of art on their shirt. Some people want to express themselves in more simple ways -- a slogan or a timeless reference that they can identify with. You need to chill the heck out and stop insulting everyone.

Furthermore, Woot is a discount SITE and shirt.woot is a discount T-SHIRT site (Good stuff cheap if you will). Why are you so insistent that every design be studio quality artwork? You can't design a shirt worth a penny yet you need to attack everyone else to validate yourself. That just leads me to believe that you are a miserable person.

Finally, even if we accept your logic that only great art should win these contests...You clearly know nothing about modern art/are totally ignorant yourself. How many works of modern art are copies or depictions of common designs or expressions? Have you ever heard of Andy Warhol? You'd probably attack him for being unoriginal. Simply...you have no clue what you are talking about.

Part of me hopes you are 13 with your Daddy's credit card....because any other possibility makes me worry about your sanity.

Go read my last post and my last post before that on the issue. You can even chop the artsy argument out entirely. I don't care if he did this same exact design in a photorealistic style with 6 colors or if it was somehow the most artistic thing in the derby: it's not original...at all. There is no debate over that. If you're trying to argue that point, you are by default on the losing side and the designer of the shirt will admit as much.

I think it's entirely fair for people to be upset that a t-shirt design website that seems to want to be about original designs chose something that is, conceptually, not original in any way. The concept should be the design, not the shirt. This shirt sets a terrible precedent where designers don't have to think of an original and creative design, they just have to be the first person to neuter something so it won't trigger the copyright demons and throw it on a shirt.

I will be honest before anyone goes digging: I've changed my position on this issue entirely from when it first came up in the entry's thread.

I'm not calling DeadFrog a terrible designer. I'm not saying that the people that voted for this shirt are bad or anything of that nature. I'm saying that as someone who not only voted for AND bought the shirt, I can see why a great number of people are upset about this. It's not jealousy, it's not just them being pissy, it's an issue of originality and how it interacts with what the derbies are supposed to be.

HeartlineTwist wrote:It's not jealousy, it's not just them being pissy, it's an issue of originality and how it interacts with what the derbies are supposed to be.

For the record, I'm not pissed. I'm cool with DF and I'm cool with the design. I just wish people could understand what makes a concept original.

eHalcyon wrote:For the record, I'm not pissed. I'm cool with DF and I'm cool with the design. I just wish people could understand what makes a concept original.

And I wish that people could argue/discuss/critique/express their opinion in a more mature manner. It's amazing the respect an opinion can get when the person expressing it doesn't sound like a whiny little brat that needs to toss insults into the mix just to make themselves feel better.

WidowFrog wrote:And I wish that people could argue/discuss/critique/express their opinion in a more mature manner. It's amazing the respect an opinion can get when the person expressing it doesn't sound like a whiny little brat that needs to toss insults into the mix just to make themselves feel better.

Agreed. I despise ad hominem attacks.

eHalcyon wrote:For the record, I'm not pissed. I'm cool with DF and I'm cool with the design. I just wish people could understand what makes a concept original.

That came out the wrong way. Basically, I'm saying that the issue at hand is a real issue. It's not a case of sore losers or anything of that nature.

HeartlineTwist wrote:That came out the wrong way. Basically, I'm saying that the issue at hand is a real issue. It's not a case of sore losers or anything of that nature.

No, it's a case of sore losers. I am just bitter that the design I didn't submit didn't win, and actually think this is totally original, but won't admit it because i'm jealous. I'm also jealous that N'Sync sings better and are hotter than me, and that is why I disliked them when they existed. It had nothing to do with trite and unoriginal content.

Hey everyone! Thanks for buying shirts. Really. Thank you.

Great design, I loved this shirt. Thanks for making a cool shirt that is slightly more subtle and appropriate for a 28 year old to wear then my big "TMNT" logo shirt that I have in bright green. Bought one for $15, missed out on it at $10.

might have to buy a second after my first is delivered. this shirt is just that awesome

This shirt i just had to have one for me and my boyfriend.
WOW this site is awesome just found out about it! Yay for free shipping.

shadwdragn wrote:This shirt i just had to have one for me and my boyfriend.
WOW this site is awesome just found out about it! Yay for free shipping.

Please do get back to us about how you feel about free shipping when your shirt arrives. You're getting a FANTASTIC value for what you're paying for. And yes, that's as ominous as it sounds. Although I've personally never had any problems.

A shirt from Woot will ALWAYS get to me faster than a shirt from TeeFury, and I have tracking. The one time I tried to get TeeFury's expedited shipping resulted in a chargeback and me not seeing the shirt for like...2 weeks. The one time I overnighted with Woot, things worked out correctly. But I've seen some scary shipping tracking stuff show up.

I thought it was worth $15 + 5, so I bought one. I rather like the design, pontifications about originality be damned.

Mini copyright lesson: a work's copyright only protects the expression, not the underlying idea. DF made a (presumably) original work based on the idea of 4 turtles being oozed. The idea is admittedly unoriginal, but the expression is indeed original.

bugzappers2112 wrote:2002? that's relevant?

Cripes, TMNT was about 1984. I was in Jr,er middle school then.

I know huh. That's hell of funny...2002. I ahuhu'D.
I was in in preschool in '84, but I had me a ton of TMNT toys and cartoons when I was in elementary school. The 80's were like the halcyon days of toys.

Can I still purchase this shirt?