fablefire wrote:Yeah that's the part I don't get. How do you expect people to vote for Cho quality if they're voting for kawaii? I mean, Cho and other quality folks can't block out the shiny desu if people keep voting for it. I mean, TG's design this week is lovely but it's not getting love. Even the egg design has some artistic merit and it's sitting outside the fog.
So what you'd end up with is a bunch of nice designs sitting outside the fog (maybe, provided you could get artists to spare the effort), and then you're back to "the people" revolting against woot. Last time I checked woot reads the comments but doesn't change the rules.
Ultimately you need to either:
a) Change the voters
b) Change woot
I don't see your plan doing either one?
You'll note that the few times cho has entered lately, he has still printed. Not ahead of ka-why, or kdeuce before it, but still printed. He still has the draw to at least take third. Gentry still wins often, also, and he HAS placed first over the trash. So it is not unthinkable to believe that if people were competing as though Cho was going to dual-fog like he used to, we would have people giving the rare pieces that still win despite not being made for the dullest of the dullards.
But most people don't care to give that sort of effort when they see it as futile, because humans are lazy (which is why so many people have reverted to the beady eyes in their own style, I'd imagine). And that is what the second half is supposed to convey. See, you and deadfrog might not get this, because neither of you have a huge issue with dropping your game for a grand, but there are people out there who DO care about quality and respectability. If you don't want to have it, that is fine and dandy. But the fact is, if the derby is full of cho-level work, yet still has the same fogs, it's more evident that it is broken. Sort of like how if your laptop is slow, you might say it is broken, but if it has 24 viruses, opens windows at whim, pops up french error messages, broadcasts typographical documentaries when you have guests over, and sometimes won't start up, all while being the top-of-the-line machine out there, it's pretty obvious that something big is wrong. There are surely people out there that don't grasp the problem of woot, because the problem isn't clanging loud enough for them.
People giving their all will result in 3 things:
1) people, whether in small or large numbers, will see the increased quality. It has yet to be seen whether this will change anything or not, but if you don't see more and more people getting discontented about the state of woot right now, you are blind. If you screw things up long enough, even your staunchest supporters will start disagreeing with your competence. And Woot is slowly but surely approaching George W. Bush status as that goes. Because there is nothing wrong with cute, just like there's nothing wrong with Republicans (well, the concept at least), but when only the worst comes out of it, even its supporters start getting antsy.
2) The people who deserve it will start making portfolios that might attract actual clients or make waves on other shirt sites. If your whole portfolio is anime, you're only going to get work from otardku who want their myspace page refurbished to look like their favorite OnePiece cover. The designers who prove themselves skilled and versatile will have far more chance of profiting other ways than woot.
3) The derby is currently unviewable to anyone with basic art skills. But a derby full of the best content people can pump out? Even if most of it is losing, it will bring more and more users out to vote. If woot was known as a place where great work was in high quantity but rarely printed, instead of a hack contest where the most marketable hackery made an undeserved grand, people would come to see what was on display. Real artists know about woot. We've seen enough of them sell under 1000 shirts to know this. The great thing about real artists, though, is they love to support real artists. There's an amazingly supportive community at Threadless because the people there aren't making shirts for money but because they simply create, and if those creations could make money, awesome. Woot has no such community because the people who care to talk about shirts are continually trounced by neanderthals and twits. If there was more actual art and design to be found here, more people would look.
I know, it's very difficult to understand how not winning can benefit anything when all you think of is "how can I make a grand," but trust me, for anyone who cares about the site itself and the designers who inhabit it, it would make a huge difference.