gandara


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I love it, and I love raccoons!

Would definitely buy it if the sizes were big enough.


kittypoocaca


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Lazarpandar wrote:I can't get over how much everything about your post and your name make you the absolute stereotypical voter.

Don't get me wrong I think the shirt is cute too, but theres just too much cute already!




F you. There is never too much cute!

riffmaster18


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NativityInBlood wrote:Generic with a capital G



Yes, you did capitalize it!

ShirtFight


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Re: The Rabbit's Weird Dream



I hope the bunny wins Loop, it's soooo cute and creative!

ShirtFight


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Re: Uh Houston....



Hey Toe, this just shows that you don't need many colors to make a great design!

RadicalPrefect


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Beffy wrote:What is a 'good' reason to like a shirt, then?

Since Adder avoided this question, and instead answered one you didn't ask...I'll answer it for you.

The good reason to like a shirt is because he likes it. That's the only acceptable reason for him, it seems.

I accept that some people might not like this shirt. That's great...don't vote for it. But I like it. It's cute, and I like it a lot better than the one over at Threadless. Call me whatever names you want, I voted for it because I like it.

ShirtFight


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Re: Sea of Dreams



Lovely design and great use of colors, it pulls you in the sea of dreams...

Xenora


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Re: Electronica



Fogged! YES!!!

And guys, seriously, this is NOT something I see in Walmart or Target. Walmart and Target deal with electric guitars and stereo headphones, not MIDI and sound particle patterns like this shirt. And if there is a shirt with a synthesizer on it, it's a 1970's MOOG. I have been waiting for the longest time for a shirt dealing with electronica, and I just might get it!

My woot! purchases: The Original Blue Hedgehog; To The Top in the Style of Da Vinci; Deforestation; The Owliminator; Yeti & Robot; Electronica (The holy grail of all shirts... THE SYNTH SHIRT! Wahoo! ^.^)
...and 1 Random. (I hope Woot! doesn't pull another Random Roulette on me for a long time; I need to hang on to my money!)

If there are any repeat posts, blame my stupid computer!

ShirtFight


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Re: Run For Your Life



This is pretty clever and funny.

ShirtFight


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Re: Everyone Wants a Top Hat



This is really cute and adorable and it fits perfect with the theme!

whisperatdaybreak


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Re: Exercise Hurts.



I really want this shirt... It's perfect for me. I love it

tumbleKID


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re: apparently death has cooties



... fog'ed? really?

whisperatdaybreak


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Re: Everyone Wants a Top Hat



I love this So cute!

mjc613


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byrbwr wrote:huh, this is weird. no ramby/sekiyoki and now we have two fablefire designs in the fog and they look surprisingly like what ramby/sekyoki draws. hmmmmm. fablefire = another alias? i think so.



The biggest problem with your logic is that fablefire was submitting designs AND PRINTING well before ramby and sekiyoki showed up. She is talented enough to work several styles.

Perhaps you should go to shirtderbystats.com before you tell us your next theory.

Beffy


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RadicalPrefect wrote:Since Adder avoided this question, and instead answered one you didn't ask...I'll answer it for you.

The good reason to like a shirt is because he likes it. That's the only acceptable reason for him, it seems.

I accept that some people might not like this shirt. That's great...don't vote for it. But I like it. It's cute, and I like it a lot better than the one over at Threadless. Call me whatever names you want, I voted for it because I like it.



That was my thought as well. Adder seems to dodge a lot of questions. xD But I'm done arguing with him. If he wants to call people out for having an opinion, then by all means he can keep it up. Maybe he'll step out of line enough that Woot bans him, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

People here at woot just seem to want always find something to whine about it. Sometimes I just hate the interent

gallifreyanarchangel


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Re: Apparently Death Has Cooties



I'm a huge fan of this design and was the first time around too. "Cute" is a valid reason to like something.

camoor


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Beffy wrote:That was my thought as well. Adder seems to dodge a lot of questions. xD But I'm done arguing with him. If he wants to call people out for having an opinion, then by all means he can keep it up. Maybe he'll step out of line enough that Woot bans him, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

People here at woot just seem to want always find something to whine about it. Sometimes I just hate the interent



Come on, how can you expect Adder to address every post. The kawaii army has come out full force.

If you understand his point and still are not swayed, then de gustibus non disputandum and have fun with your cute dog and fox shirt. Why do you feel the need to censor him too, are you really that threatened by a different opinion?

PS While there is no arguing about taste, some things in art that are objective. For example, when someone says this is clever or original they are incorrect. When compared to other contemporary shirts with the same theme (see: the two prior threadless tshirts) this is decidedly not clever nor original (unless of course your threshold for clever starts at "Elmo says...")

Decker2pure


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Re: Inspired by: Monk



I think the print should be a whole lot bigger.

Teknikas


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Re: Run For Your Life



This is really frickin' awesome!!!

21-21-2009...epic.

This as others have said is quite clever if you understand the meaning and all :P

eHalcyon


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camoor wrote:Come on, how can you expect Adder to address every post. The kawaii army has come out full force.

If you understand his point and still are not swayed, then de gustibus non disputandum and have fun with your cute dog and fox shirt. Why do you feel the need to censor him too, are you really that threatened by a different opinion?



If you bothered to read the thread, you'll see that Adder DID address the post. He simply addressed it incorrectly. The question Beffy asked was "what is a good reason to like a shirt?" whereas Adder answered "what is a good reason to like this shirt?". I'm sure it was an honest mistake, because I saw the latter as well when I read Beffy's post. I only read it again because that would have been a pretty stupid question to ask of Adder.

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L3g3ndQ


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Re: The Awakening



man i wish this would win and print!!! You SO need to put this somewhere and get it printed!! this is so awesome! so much better than the anime animals that's winning right now

AdderXYU


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Beffy wrote:That's idiotic. Why in the world would I want a design that I thought was 'bad' to win? If I vote for things I would most likely buy, which is what you're supposed to do.



If my friend was running for Mayor against a better candidate, guess who I'd vote for.

I believe winning should mean something more than "I like it." If you win at a sport, it is because you did better than the competition, not because more people wanted you to win. You win based on YOUR strengths, or else THEIR deficiencies. And if the stuff that wins is consistently good, it will alter the customer base, which will alter the voting, and mean still more good will win. It means more creative artists will stick around, because they know their A game will lead to profit, instead of coming fourth to someone's worst work. And in the end, that benefits me, and indeed the whole community, because the more good work I don't want makes it to print, the more those good artists create, and the sooner they make a new shirt someone WOULD want.

This isn't just about you. It's not a contest for you to get as many shirts as possible. It's a contest for designers to make money by creating wearable and creative designs. If you would really give $1000 to this shirt over any one of five randomly selected others, you might not be fit to judge.

aprilmraz


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Re: Brontosnorus Saves the World



Brilliant. Missed it the first time around. Hoping this time's the winner.

itoaseik


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eHalcyon wrote:If you bothered to read the thread, you'll see that Adder DID address the post. He simply addressed it incorrectly. The question Beffy asked was "what is a good reason to like a shirt?" whereas Adder answered "what is a good reason to like this shirt?". I'm sure it was an honest mistake, because I saw the latter as well when I read Beffy's post. I only read it again because that would have been a pretty stupid question to ask of Adder.



eHalcyon, in my short time on the Woot boards I have come to respect you for being one of the relatively few voices of evenness and reason on here, much more so than me. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I take it as an indication of just how badly this shirt "embrangles" that you defended Adder's criticisms, however slightly.

The source of complaints here is not that you like this shirt, but that you are voting for it, and therefore against all of the other more deserving designs. Especially due to the suspicion that some of those voting for these designs do so without even looking at many of the alternatives... anyway, Adder just did a pretty good job of explaining another part of it.

KevinMCombes


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Re: Electronica



I must have this. VOTE!

theciscokiddd


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AdderXYU wrote:If my friend was running for Mayor against a better candidate, guess who I'd vote for.

I believe winning should mean something more than "I like it." If you win at a sport, it is because you did better than the competition, not because more people wanted you to win. You win based on YOUR strengths, or else THEIR deficiencies. And if the stuff that wins is consistently good, it will alter the customer base, which will alter the voting, and mean still more good will win. It means more creative artists will stick around, because they know their A game will lead to profit, instead of coming fourth to someone's worst work. And in the end, that benefits me, and indeed the whole community, because the more good work I don't want makes it to print, the more those good artists create, and the sooner they make a new shirt someone WOULD want.

This isn't just about you. It's not a contest for you to get as many shirts as possible. It's a contest for designers to make money by creating wearable and creative designs. If you would really give $1000 to this shirt over any one of five randomly selected others, you might not be fit to judge.



Adder, I don't often post on the threads, but I have consistently been following shirt.woot for over a year now, and let me tell you, I am your biggest fan.

ptr91


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Re: Inspired by: Monk



what is so sick about this dang picture! its stupid. Think about it, your going to be wearing a person with a robe on you.

ptr91


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Re: Just A Little Further...



Oi! Mosh good! VOTE FOR THIS SHIRT! I WANT IT SO BADDDD!!!

Nizuya


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re: the quick brown fox



The fox is orange...

Nizuya


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re: the quick brown fox



The fox is orange...

itoaseik


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ptr91 wrote:if you look at it, The breadsticks need marinara! is it?
just a person with a robe. it is stupid and the color.



Thanks for a post that served no purpose other than to allow me to finally check the censor and figure out what "the breadsticks need marinara" means. I'm sorry to be mean about it, but that post was "stupid and the color."

itoaseik


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ptr91 wrote:what is so sick about this dang picture! its stupid. Think about it, your going to be wearing a person with a robe on you.



...And wearing some squirrels reaching for an acorn that they could easily jump to is not stupid?

AdderXYU


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eHalcyon wrote:If you bothered to read the thread, you'll see that Adder DID address the post. He simply addressed it incorrectly. The question Beffy asked was "what is a good reason to like a shirt?" whereas Adder answered "what is a good reason to like this shirt?". I'm sure it was an honest mistake, because I saw the latter as well when I read Beffy's post. I only read it again because that would have been a pretty stupid question to ask of Adder.



Since I clearly misread

When it comes right down to it, there are plenty of reasons TO like a shirt, and they are all personal. What is more true is that there are specific reasons to NOT like a shirt. When I'm scoring shirts, I ask myself a few questions:

~have I seen this anywhere before? In this case, yes, I have. I've seen the concept plenty, and I've seen the style about weekly here since December. From there I ask "is this better than what I've seen." There was a "Seven Ate Nine" joke on Threadless not too long ago up for scoring that was a great take on the idea. The seven and nine were in shadow, with the six cowering afraid in the corner. The execution and conceptualization took it above and beyond any other realization of the theme that I'd seen, and it was a tired, tired theme. This simply doesn't do anything new with tired material.

~how is it executed? With this, I generally go for style over cleanliness. when you look at Edgar's work, it's distinctly him... you can tell every line means something, and every line is intentional. If you go to Threadless and look up buko, you'll see a guy who is nearly flawless in his linework and his use of technique and how things sit on a shirt... a total pro. Simple needs to be distinct, and ornate has to work as a whole. To the same degree, if work looks rushed or forced, it's wrong... there's a line between a shaky style and just not caring. This is executed cleanly, but in no way does it stand out from any other designer. It could be ramy. Hell, it could be eHalcyon's Pica Republic design.

~concept. Most shirts need concept. It doesn't have to be a worldbreaking one, but it should be a solid one. The broader your concept, the more "done" it can be. The more specific your concept, the more you need to do to it to prove yours is the best. It is inarguable that this shirt has a tired concept... it's more inarguable, as far as I'm concerned, that a shirt that simply is something that already exists (which is to say, a shirt which is a literal representation of an iphone, without parodic elements... not necessarily a shirt which is a literal animal or plant) has no concept other than "buy this, it's familiar!" By comparison, we could look at Cho's "Tycoon of Ice". Penguins are incredibly tired, but because they are a less-specific theme, he was able to breathe life into them at a time when people were sick of them... the proper businessman standing by while grunt penguins harvested gleaming ice took a cute item and turned it a bit sadistic... the angle was different, even if the subject was the same. As for his steampunk penguin, well, we won't get into that.

~lack of concept. Some tees are all about art. Regardless of what wooters believe. Design By Humans has a lot of shirts that are ludicrously cluttered, but also many that, with no concrete theme, turn a t-shirt into fashion. If you look at something like Casajordi's "The Red Dream," or his "Death," you see a piece that evokes a mood, but treats the shirt as a canvas instead of trying to slap a concept on. If you're making an artistic shirt, you need to truly respect the shirt as a canvas... I've seen plenty of perfectly fine portraits or sketches slapped on a tee, and they're just wrong for the medium. Not only does it need to work on a shirt, you need your art to be engaging, special, and something you'd want to see all day, and know other people can see all day. Obviously this doesn't effect this entry, because this entry is about concept. But the best tee designers know how to use their canvas no matter what.

~when I'm truly deciding my favorites of favorites, I often consider: who else would sell this? If a design is so one-note that it would only fit in one site's catalog, it tends to be a shirt I'd wear more rarely. Finding Technicolor could have been a Threadless shirt, for example, while most everything that has won in the past few months, even the pieces I've liked, are the sorts of things only woot would ever print. There's no other site where this shirt would stand a chance, and objectively, it makes me wonder why it stands a chance at this one. Same with threadless' recent "booty fruit" or DBH's "Typographic pandemonium." There are some pieces that are perfect because they are so distinctly one site's bag, but things like those make me wonder whose brilliant idea it was to option that piece over one that they could snag before another site, giving them the advantage.

And sometimes there are the personal touches. I've voted for shirts I knew I was biased toward for personal reasons... they held a certain connection or just made me smile unavoidably or whatever. But I always still apply my criteria to the designs. That all aside, even if people are voting for this solely because of a personal connection, I find it so very hard to understand what personal connection, past "ooh, I know that phrase!" It can't just be the cute. We've seen the cute before. I've voted for scads of cute shirts over the internet, but it's always cute plus concept... cute plus awesome style... that should not be all you need. Cute is soooo broad, and there's sooooo much out there in sooooo many styles. to vote solely for cute is to admit you don't know what you're doing... there are quality levels and gradations.

L3g3ndQ


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ptr91 wrote:what is so sick about this dang picture! its stupid. Think about it, your going to be wearing a person with a robe on you.



i would rather wear a shirt with a Druid Monk on it than a shirt with an Anime Fox jumping over an Anime Dog or a bunch of anime chipmunks on a branch!! this is the best shirt in the fog right now! the only other two shirts i think should be here in the fog would be http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=30857 and http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=30791 im not buying shirts for lil kids so i dont want any cute lil animal shirts. sorry

these 3 shirts deserve to be printed...but that's just my opinion B^)

whisperatdaybreak


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ptr91 wrote:what is so sick about this dang picture! its stupid. Think about it, your going to be wearing a person with a robe on you.



This made me laugh... I agree.

eHalcyon


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itoaseik wrote:eHalcyon, in my short time on the Woot boards I have come to respect you for being one of the relatively few voices of evenness and reason on here, much more so than me. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I take it as an indication of just how badly this shirt "embrangles" that you defended Adder's criticisms, however slightly.

The source of complaints here is not that you like this shirt, but that you are voting for it, and therefore against all of the other more deserving designs. Especially due to the suspicion that some of those voting for these designs do so without even looking at many of the alternatives... anyway, Adder just did a pretty good job of explaining another part of it.



If you're talking to me in your second paragraph - I wouldn't buy it, and I didn't vote for it. I'm a big Fablefire fan, but this is certainly one of her worst designs. I think it was more of a joke entry, though she is a mysterious, mysterious person.

People will vote for the designs that they like. If it is a crime to vote for something "and therefore against all of the other more deserving designs", then does that mean we should all be limited to just one vote? In any case, "most deserving" is subjective. As for the suspicion you mentioned - that's true of any design in the fog or the hotness. Designs at the top get more exposure and thus more opportunity for votes. Please note that I'm replying within a general context and not in the context of this shirt.

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Kex


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AdderXYU wrote:Since I clearly misread

Let's look at it this way. If you went to Costumes R Us, and you saw a costume of the ORLY owl, you might say "Oh my, I must rent it for the Halloween party". But you're probably not going to say "Man, I love the reference and it's hilarious and I consider it well put together, I must buy it".

When it comes right down to it, there are plenty of reasons TO like a shirt, and they are all personal. What is more true is that there are specific reasons to NOT like a shirt. When I'm scoring shirts, I ask myself a few questions:

~have I seen this anywhere before? In this case, yes, I have. I've seen the concept plenty, and I've seen the style about weekly here since December. From there I ask "is this better than what I've seen." There was a "Seven Ate Nine" joke on Threadless not too long ago up for scoring that was a great take on the idea. The seven and nine were in shadow, with the six cowering afraid in the corner. The execution and conceptualization took it above and beyond any other realization of the theme that I'd seen, and it was a tired, tired theme. This simply doesn't do anything new with tired material.

~how is it executed? With this, I generally go for style over cleanliness. when you look at Edgar's work, it's distinctly him... you can tell every line means something, and every line is intentional. If you go to Threadless and look up buko, you'll see a guy who is nearly flawless in his linework and his use of technique and how things sit on a shirt... a total pro. Simple needs to be distinct, and ornate has to work as a whole. To the same degree, if work looks rushed or forced, it's wrong... there's a line between a shaky style and just not caring. This is executed cleanly, but in no way does it stand out from any other designer. It could be ramy. Hell, it could be eHalcyon's Pica Republic design.

~concept. Most shirts need concept. It doesn't have to be a worldbreaking one, but it should be a solid one. The broader your concept, the more "done" it can be. The more specific your concept, the more you need to do to it to prove yours is the best. It is inarguable that this shirt has a tired concept... it's more inarguable, as far as I'm concerned, that a shirt that simply is something that already exists (which is to say, a shirt which is a literal representation of an iphone, without parodic elements... not necessarily a shirt which is a literal animal or plant) has no concept other than "buy this, it's familiar!" By comparison, we could look at Cho's "Tycoon of Ice". Penguins are incredibly tired, but because they are a less-specific theme, he was able to breathe life into them at a time when people were sick of them... the proper businessman standing by while grunt penguins harvested gleaming ice took a cute item and turned it a bit sadistic... the angle was different, even if the subject was the same. As for his steampunk penguin, well, we won't get into that.

~lack of concept. Some tees are all about art. Regardless of what wooters believe. Design By Humans has a lot of shirts that are ludicrously cluttered, but also many that, with no concrete theme, turn a t-shirt into fashion. If you look at something like Casajordi's "The Red Dream," or his "Death," you see a piece that evokes a mood, but treats the shirt as a canvas instead of trying to slap a concept on. If you're making an artistic shirt, you need to truly respect the shirt as a canvas... I've seen plenty of perfectly fine portraits or sketches slapped on a tee, and they're just wrong for the medium. Not only does it need to work on a shirt, you need your art to be engaging, special, and something you'd want to see all day, and know other people can see all day. Obviously this doesn't effect this entry, because this entry is about concept. But the best tee designers know how to use their canvas no matter what.

~when I'm truly deciding my favorites of favorites, I often consider: who else would sell this? If a design is so one-note that it would only fit in one site's catalog, it tends to be a shirt I'd wear more rarely. Finding Technicolor could have been a Threadless shirt, for example, while most everything that has won in the past few months, even the pieces I've liked, are the sorts of things only woot would ever print. There's no other site where this shirt would stand a chance, and objectively, it makes me wonder why it stands a chance at this one. Same with threadless' recent "booty fruit" or DBH's "Typographic pandemonium." There are some pieces that are perfect because they are so distinctly one site's bag, but things like those make me wonder whose brilliant idea it was to option that piece over one that they could snag before another site, giving them the advantage.

And sometimes there are the personal touches. I've voted for shirts I knew I was biased toward for personal reasons... they held a certain connection or just made me smile unavoidably or whatever. But I always still apply my criteria to the designs. That all aside, even if people are voting for this solely because of a personal connection, I find it so very hard to understand what personal connection, past "ooh, I know that phrase!" It can't just be the cute. We've seen the cute before. I've voted for scads of cute shirts over the internet, but it's always cute plus concept... cute plus awesome style... that should not be all you need. Cute is soooo broad, and there's sooooo much out there in sooooo many styles. to vote solely for cute is to admit you don't know what you're doing... there are quality levels and gradations.


dude. there is only one qualification for judging shirts on woot. and its basically in the box that you click when you vote for it.

would you wear it or not?

seriously, i think people forget this way too often, and judge shirts on the different aspects of it. originality, artisticness(not a word, I know), cleverness, they all mean NOTHING. It doesnt matter if its the best piece of art in the world if you wouldn't wear it in public. It doesnt matter if its the funniest thing you've ever seen if its on a color you wouldn't put on. because ultimately whether you buy the shirt or not is whether or not it has wearability.

Stop voting for shirts that you would never buy or wear, it says "I'd want one" not "I like this"!

AdderXYU


quality posts: 38 Private Messages AdderXYU
Kex wrote:dude. there is only one qualification for judging shirts on woot. and its basically in the box that you click when you vote for it.

would you wear it or not?

seriously, i think people forget this way too often, and judge shirts on the different aspects of it. originality, artisticness(not a word, I know), cleverness, they all mean NOTHING. It doesnt matter if its the best piece of art in the world if you wouldn't wear it in public. It doesnt matter if its the funniest thing you've ever seen if its on a color you wouldn't put on. because ultimately whether you buy the shirt or not is whether or not it has wearability.



So how do you judge "would I wear it or not"? Because you like it? and how do you judge if you like it?

You're right, originality and all that do mean nothing. Because plenty of people would rather fit a trend than express anything about themselves. that's how mall stores have prospered so long. So when buying shirts, maybe that's the case. But in a contest, it should be about more. Because if you just want something you'd wear, you can go ANYWHERE for it. But if you want something meaningful and unique, that is why you should be voting in a shirt contest

And anyway, again, it's the Apple Jacks argument. Why do you like it, and more importantly, why don't you like anything else better?

Kex


quality posts: 2 Private Messages Kex
Re: Elephant Tree My Dear Watson



if you subtract the leaves, you just have one darn well endowed elephant with another looking at him in shock

Stop voting for shirts that you would never buy or wear, it says "I'd want one" not "I like this"!

valbaler17


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Xenora wrote:Fogged! YES!!!

And guys, seriously, this is NOT something I see in Walmart or Target. Walmart and Target deal with electric guitars and stereo headphones, not MIDI and sound particle patterns like this shirt. And if there is a shirt with a synthesizer on it, it's a 1970's MOOG. I have been waiting for the longest time for a shirt dealing with electronica, and I just might get it!



That is exactly what I was thinking! Can't wait to own one.