Shirt.Woot

AdderXYU wrote:So how do you judge "would I wear it or not"? Because you like it? and how do you judge if you like it?

You're right, originality and all that do mean nothing. Because plenty of people would rather fit a trend than express anything about themselves. that's how mall stores have prospered so long. So when buying shirts, maybe that's the case. But in a contest, it should be about more. Because if you just want something you'd wear, you can go ANYWHERE for it. But if you want something meaningful and unique, that is why you should be voting in a shirt contest

And anyway, again, it's the Apple Jacks argument. Why do you like it, and more importantly, why don't you like anything else better?

I agree that concept, art, and all that jazz is important, but sometimes a design has that certain je ne sais quoi, that X-factor, that something that you can't explain. It is certainly possible to like something without being able to explain why.

eHalcyon wrote:I agree that concept, art, and all that jazz is important, but sometimes a design has that certain je ne sais quoi, that X-factor, that something that you can't explain. It is certainly possible to like something without being able to explain why.

A fair point. But since you don't like this shirt, a moot one.

Again: why this shirt, and why this one so strongly against 100 others? I find it difficult to believe that all 1000 voters are operating solely on a je ne sais quoi. Especially since this shirt has no element that hasn't been done to death contained therein.

Re: The Quick Brown Fox

Fablefire is so much better than this design. :\

Drakxxx wrote:Thanks for the support on this one guys. This design is definitely special to me, as it's one of the few that I actually managed to illustrate exactly as I imagined it.

I'll re-plant the wise old tree elsewhere when woot lets him go for sure.

Yeah, I foresee and Editor's Choice here. At least I hope so.

AdderXYU wrote:So how do you judge "would I wear it or not"? Because you like it? and how do you judge if you like it?

You're right, originality and all that do mean nothing. Because plenty of people would rather fit a trend than express anything about themselves. that's how mall stores have prospered so long. So when buying shirts, maybe that's the case. But in a contest, it should be about more. Because if you just want something you'd wear, you can go ANYWHERE for it. But if you want something meaningful and unique, that is why you should be voting in a shirt contest

And anyway, again, it's the Apple Jacks argument. Why do you like it, and more importantly, why don't you like anything else better?

You dont know how to judge something on wearability?
for me... lets see: a shirt that I would wear:
-a shirt that most people will understand without having to stop and stare at, or needing to read it. simple, yet it must at least make sense. no disapproving narwhals plz

-appropriate in public. this means people wont be offended, children's eyes wont be shielded, my parents wouldnt be ashamed. basically a shirt that wont be making bad first impressions for me.

-is not going to make me look homosexual. nothing against them, but I don't want to be mistaken. basically no pink or purple shirts, no rainbows, no unicorns, etc. definitely not this, for example:
http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=5338

-a few other smaller things come into play, but the easiest way to choose wearability IMO, is just to ask yourself "would I wear this downtown? would I wear it to class? to a family picnic? to a bar with friends? etc." If yes, then the shirt is wearable. If no, then it doesnt get my vote.

in a contest, it should not be about more. woot is a store. they are here to sell things. they dont want to print shirts and pay artists if no one is buying. period.

i dont know what the applejacks argument is.

heres my parting words, please remember them if nothing else: woot allows you to vote for as many shirts as you want because there is hypothetically no limit to the number of shirts you would want to buy/wear. Therefore,only vote for a shirt if you would buy it when it prints! That's what you need to remember.

really really really like this one

Kex wrote:You dont know how to judge something on wearability?
for me... lets see: a shirt that I would wear:
-a shirt that most people will understand without having to stop and stare at, or needing to read it. simple, yet it must at least make sense. no disapproving narwhals plz

-appropriate in public. this means people wont be offended, children's eyes wont be shielded, my parents wouldnt be ashamed. basically a shirt that wont be making bad first impressions for me.

-is not going to make me look homosexual. nothing against them, but I don't want to be mistaken. basically no pink or purple shirts, no rainbows, no unicorns, etc. definitely not this, for example:
http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=5338

-a few other smaller things come into play, but the easiest way to choose wearability IMO, is just to ask yourself "would I wear this downtown? would I wear it to class? to a family picnic? to a bar with friends? etc." If yes, then the shirt is wearable. If no, then it doesnt get my vote.

in a contest, it should not be about more. woot is a store. they are here to sell things. they dont want to print shirts and pay artists if no one is buying. period.

i dont know what the applejacks argument is.

heres my parting words, please remember them if nothing else: woot allows you to vote for as many shirts as you want because there is hypothetically no limit to the number of shirts you would want to buy/wear. Therefore,only vote for a shirt if you would buy it when it prints! That's what you need to remember.

If woot didn't want to print shirts and pay artists if no one is buying, why did they option CheeseSandwich for at least 5 poor selling dailies before she livetraced a picture of broccoli and hit the big time?

To that end, why do they allow a derby at all? As EC weeks have proven, Editor's Choice tees can often sell better than the shirts in their own derbies, or even the shirts selected by vote for the doubletake.

Past that, anyone so immature as to invoke homosexuality as a reason not to wear a shirt (or so closeminded as to feel there needs to be something to "get" for a shirt to look good enough to wear) rather limits his ability to be taken seriously.

Put simply, you're not only wrong, you're screaming wrong. Especially since you've been here for three months and not voted or bought anything. You seem to be pretty vehemently against my way of looking at things... nothing in the last three months has been ungay enough or simple-concept enough or publicly appropriate enough?

Kex wrote:
in a contest, it should not be about more. woot is a store. they are here to sell things. they dont want to print shirts and pay artists if no one is buying. period.

to elaborate on this point: The whole reason woot does derbies is the idea of rather than having some random suit or small group of kids choose what to sell, they have a whole community decide what they should sell and should not sell. It should not be about what shirt is most artistic or clever, there is no more needed. Woot is using us as small consumer sample group and our "job" if you will, is to pick the shirt that will sell the most and make them the most money.

Kex wrote:to elaborate on this point: The whole reason woot does derbies is the idea of rather than having some random suit or small group of kids choose what to sell, they have a whole community decide what they should sell and should not sell. It should not be about what shirt is most artistic or clever, there is no more needed. Woot is using us as small consumer sample group and our "job" if you will, is to pick the shirt that will sell the most and make them the most money.

People who are only about money will have a meaningless eternity when they die.

No one will remember what woot did when it folds. Threadless, on the other hand, will always be seen as an innovator. Because they cared about product, not money, first and foremost. Every company wants to profit. But some don't want to profit at the expense of what they believe in.

Re: Caveat Brows0r

This is shirt is fantastic!

How is it not higher up in the running? :O

AdderXYU wrote:If woot didn't want to print shirts and pay artists if no one is buying, why did they option CheeseSandwich for at least 5 poor selling dailies before she livetraced a picture of broccoli and hit the big time?

To that end, why do they allow a derby at all? As EC weeks have proven, Editor's Choice tees can often sell better than the shirts in their own derbies, or even the shirts selected by vote for the doubletake.

Past that, anyone so immature as to invoke homosexuality as a reason not to wear a shirt (or so closeminded as to feel there needs to be something to "get" for a shirt to look good enough to wear) rather limits his ability to be taken seriously.

Put simply, you're not only wrong, you're screaming wrong. Especially since you've been here for three months and not voted or bought anything. You seem to be pretty vehemently against my way of looking at things... nothing in the last three months has been ungay enough or simple-concept enough or publicly appropriate enough?

For your first point, I cant really argue, considering the horrible choices woot uses for mid-week shirts. They really do make it look like they want to pay artists for shoddy work.

Also, on you EC comment, I've found that in, as you pointed out, my rather short time here at woot, shirts have a tendency to get into the fog and never leave. Shirts added late or that start out low, typically dont have a chance to win regardless of how artistic or comedic. A point you seem to agree with from earlier comments.

Also, nice attacking me for being honest. You asked how I pick a shirt and I told you. Everyone is entitled to their own reasons for wearing something, and those reasons are completely theirs. whether its to be part of a group(like everyone wearing uggs or abercrombie), because its comedic, because its attention-grabbing, or to just not look simply delightful is up to only them.

I find it funny that you call me screaming wrong yet just a second ago you agreed with what I said. pick a side, or do you just want to argue that much? I'm not against you, in fact I agree with you that this shirt should not be on top, let alone anywhere near it. I was only against your way of judging shirts. This isn't an art gallery like you seem to think, we're just a focus group so woot can ideally, sell more shirts.

and yes, there has been nothing that has won in the past three months has caught my attention. I've paid attention to shirt.woot for a while before i registed, but never bothered to register until I saw a shirt I actually wanted. If you cared, that shirt was resist, during the last double take, and of course it got 4th.

Kex wrote:I'm wrong

I hope you think you've come across as giving a totally reasonable argument, because I can say that there is no one educated who'd agree. Though I guess this isn't school, just like it isn't an art gallery, so quality of thought process isn't important so long as it's popular.

AdderXYU wrote:I have no life

see, i can do that too, though the difference is that mine is accurate, judging by your over 6000 posts.Im betting that no matter what time of day I reply to you, you will be there to say something witty right back.

Its funny, reading some of your earlier posts, I thought you actually had some valid points, though i thought you seemed to troll a little more than necessary. Now I see that trolling is all you do. You can rest assured knowing you won though, because after you reply to this, I wont be replying back, meaning you will have had the last word, and that will make you champion of all the world.

E: oh, and by the way, i thoroughly enjoy that you of all people say "quality" of thought, when you only have 7 quality posts out of over 6000. basically, 0.11% of your posts are quality

Kex wrote:see, i can do that too, though the difference is that mine is accurate, judging by your over 6000 posts.Im betting that no matter what time of day I reply to you, you will be there to say something witty right back.

Its funny, reading some of your earlier posts, I thought you actually had some valid points, though i thought you seemed to troll a little more than necessary. Now I see that trolling is all you do. You can rest assured knowing you won though, because after you reply to this, I wont be replying back, meaning you will have had the last word, and that will make you champion of all the world.

And you will be one more meaningless drive-by with the same tired and uneducated argument and the same self-satisfied attitude with every increasingly childish comment you post.

But hey, enjoy this shirt. Since it's so important to you to not look homosexual, you can rest assured that a kawaii fox and dog is not at all effeminate. No way no how.

ptr91 wrote:Oi! Mosh good! VOTE FOR THIS SHIRT! I WANT IT SO BADDDD!!!

Uh-oh, the numbers aren't looking good. Don't let this end up being an "almost" winner again!

Re: Just A Little Further...

Number of positive comments from members who joined after Ramy: 10

Number of comments regarding the other shirt option made by members who joined during this derby and wouldn't know about the other shirt option: 1

AdderXYU wrote:Number of positive comments from members who joined after Ramy: 10

Number of comments regarding the other shirt option made by members who joined during this derby and wouldn't know about the other shirt option: 1

No bearing on the shirt. Doesn't also take into account number of commenters Adder has scared away. Please remove.

AdderXYU wrote:And you will be one more meaningless drive-by...

No bearing on the shirt.

Can we get a clean up on this thread? Please?

Re: Song Bird

I don't buy shirts very often, but I really want to spend my money on this one. Hopefully it will print this time around!

AdderXYU wrote:If two shirts in the top 5 are great, then at least one shirt in the fog is "any good".

Not to debate whether you're right about quality or not. Simply to state you failed basic math.

Rofl.

And Fable, I don't really see the need for a cleanup. They are discussing the merit of this design and how it applies to shirt.woot in general. If they don't clean a lot of the stuff posted in Ramy's threads they surely don't need to clean this one.

Stormink wrote:Rofl.

And Fable, I don't really see the need for a cleanup. They are discussing the merit of this design and how it applies to shirt.woot in general. If they don't clean a lot of the stuff posted in Ramy's threads they surely don't need to clean this one.

Actually, they are having a pissing contest with each other, discussing the psychology behind the democracy of shirt.woot and telling each other "you're wrong", repeatedly.

That's all I'd like cleaned up.

Grats on your first buy btw.

fablefire wrote:Actually, they are having a pissing contest with each other

With each other, or on each other?

2thFairy wrote:So.. nobody is going to pee on Adder afterall?

eHalcyon wrote:

Touche! Reminds me of the stories I'd hear from my friend who worked in a nursing home. They had old men who would just pee all over the place.

fablefire wrote:Touche! Reminds me of the stories I'd hear from my friend who worked in a nursing home. They had old men who would just pee all over the place.

Sounds like good times.

I love it when people say they are not going to bother to respond to you and imply that you only "won" because they're (1) less childish than you, and (2) tired of you. If you want to stop responding, just stop responding; do not say you are going to take the high road by no longer responding but first taking some jabs at your opponent. That is a way of trying to get the last word. It reminds me of that private message I got on this site a few months ago: a member told me that my signature is offensive to her, and that I should not bother to respond. She wanted to be able to take jabs and use the "don't bother to respond to me" portion of her post as a way to be able to live with herself when I sent a rebuttal and she remained silent.

I am also reminded of people who announce to members of the message board they're on that they're going to leave, but then when some scathing replies come up about them being drama queens or stupid members anyway, they reply (when they should already be gone), and then say that that is going to be their last response because they're better than that.

I don't see this practice of announcing you are going to stop the conversation but taking the opportunity to make jabs at the opponent's latest post as taking the high road; rather, it is as if they are afraid about how people reading the posts are going to perceive them, so they have to tell the readers, "By the way, I'm going to stop responding to this guy because I'm better than him and tired of him." The practice reeks of insecurity.

eHalcyon wrote:Sounds like good times.

I know, right? I don't think you could pay me enough to do the nursing bit. At her new place they have a psych department. People just take a dump in a room, use a shower curtain for toilet paper, etc.

She tells me this over lunch.

Re: I'm still here

The Invisible!!!!!!!!

Re: Oh s-word! It's Atlas!

This shirt is fantastic...

FINALLY some new colours!

re: almost a home

For the benefit of those, who appear to be linking this entry( I've even had a post, where the user( streetfight dot com ) refers to me as 'Boots' ), with that recent BootsBoots/Cameesa winner, this design albeit in a slightly different colour pallette, ditto alias/user name, titled 'Hates' Sleeves' -- ran on Threadless way back in June 2007, where it failed miserably -- but that's a given I suppose. So please folks, although I could mimic the work of the various super-wooters, this is most definitely not an instance of the afore-mentioned capability.I would urge you not to be calling me Boots in the future, as I will take offense( on a Grand scale )!

L3g3ndQ wrote:even if i could find a shirt like this at red dot boutique or wally world i would still rather have this shirt in the fog instead of the chipmunks or a fox jumpin over a dog!! this foo foo carp has got to go! so i say keep a voting on this and the monk!! and while you are at it vote for the robot coming out of the sea! B^)

I agree with you that this is better than chipmunks and anime-foxes, but I think that there are plenty of other shirt designs that are A. better than any of these, and B. are not found in Walmart.

Re: This is the one. I can feel it

Win.

Re: The Quick Brown Fox

Broken fog is broken

Re: Eel Charging Station

Loop, this is the one that I want, oo ooo ooo
The one I need
Oh yes indeed

ShirtFight wrote:WOW Boots, what an awesome bird! Great design!!!

Hey Mr. ShirtFight, after further consideration, I suggest you purchase spectacles. My User Name, as clearly indicated above my design entry, is believe it or not... 'picasserole'. Not Boots!!! Thankyou Sirrr!!!

Re: Eel Charging Station

Glad Itook a look at this, it's a 'Beaut' and deserves far better treatment than it's receiving here at Woot. Good luck should you try it elsewhere and hope you make editors' pick to boot..;]

re: asteroids killed the dinosaurs

I would buy this in a second.

Beline00000 wrote:I would buy this in a second.

notify me if I can get this somewhere else please

Stuntdummy wrote:I agree with you that this is better than chipmunks and anime-foxes, but I think that there are plenty of other shirt designs that are A. better than any of these, and B. are not found in Walmart.

i agree with you too but A. they are not in the fog B. they are not close to being in the fog & C. they don't have a chance at knocking out the anime fox or chipmunks. so i say vote for the non cute! and at least this one looks cool!

Re: root and tree

wished this was in the fog B^( this is a great design!!!!