fablefire wrote:It's not the artists' fault that junk wins. For example, Quick Brown Fox was a joke entry and I never expected it to win, hence I never expected money from it. It just made me laugh when I was doodling and happened to hit a note with voters. I see no reason to smash the artists for voting patterns.
I have to side with Adder here on this point. If the artist didn't create and submit bad designs, than the public at large wouldn't be able to vote for them. Sure the public votes for them and bares a good share of the fault for it, but the artist is the one that conceived the design, created it, and submitted it for voting. Its entire existence is due to the artist, not the voting public.
The only way the artists gets any reprieve for using the voter pattern is when they create a design just to win and they don't really care for it. In which case, this reflects even more poorly on them, IMO, as they are simply pandering.
fablefire wrote:My rule of thumb now is to
1) SUPPORT the artists (so long as they don't break rules or persue copyright infringement like Broccoli). It's not their fault that voters are weird and the woot system is shoddy.
Not PG-13. There rule broken.
2) RESPECT the opinions of others and any well founded arguments they might have.
A good policy to have, but so far, I haven't seen that many well founded arguments here as to why this is a mystery or why its PG-13. Just what people are reading into it and arguments about Mortal Kombat blood.
On a side note, it wasn't the blood in Mortal Kombat that made parents and politicians freak out. It was the fact that you had Sub Zero ripping out a man's head and spine with blood dripping off of it in a very graphic fashion. Not to mention Kano ripping out someone's heart and biting it.
fablefire wrote:For example, I respect that you have a different opinion from me regarding the shirt being on theme. I see a certain episode of NCIS in it which took an hour to unravel the mystery. You don't. Oh well. You however, have little to no respect for my rationale in supporting artists or my opinion on this shirt (or others) and think me a liar and a sellout. Thanks champ.
I don't think you are a liar, but I do think that you are very sycophantic to the "wonder twins" as Adder as so called them. Don't get me wrong, I've seen people jump down on them for nonsensical reasons, and I'm glad there are people to stand up to those morons for them. However, this isn't one of those incidents. While I don't think that this design is on topic, I can see how some might think it is. I firmly disagree, but I can see where you're coming from. What I feel is not debatable is that brain matter coming out of the back of his head is beyond Woot's stereotypical limits.
fablefire wrote:I don't like the system around here either, but when I can't stand the ridiculousness of it all I leave for a week. I don't flame people. If you think that my support of artists and disapproval of unfounded flames is selling out then that's the way it goes. That is your choice to project a negative light on me and whoever else you want. Bummer.
I haven't flamed anyone here(unless you count me saying that I don't respect you anymore), so I don't know where you going with that. However, you have flamed in this very thread. And you might not like the system around here, but you seem to have no quarrels working it. I can't fault you for your designs being cute, as you've always been that way, but I can fault you for your seemingly unwavering defense of these artists, even if the accusations/complaints are founded/valid/reasonable.
And just reference, I still love the Say no to scurvy shirt.
You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.