Shirt.Woot

fablefire wrote:It's not the artists' fault that junk wins. For example, Quick Brown Fox was a joke entry and I never expected it to win, hence I never expected money from it. It just made me laugh when I was doodling and happened to hit a note with voters. I see no reason to smash the artists for voting patterns.

I have to side with Adder here on this point. If the artist didn't create and submit bad designs, than the public at large wouldn't be able to vote for them. Sure the public votes for them and bares a good share of the fault for it, but the artist is the one that conceived the design, created it, and submitted it for voting. Its entire existence is due to the artist, not the voting public.

The only way the artists gets any reprieve for using the voter pattern is when they create a design just to win and they don't really care for it. In which case, this reflects even more poorly on them, IMO, as they are simply pandering.

fablefire wrote:My rule of thumb now is to
1) SUPPORT the artists (so long as they don't break rules or persue copyright infringement like Broccoli). It's not their fault that voters are weird and the woot system is shoddy.

Not PG-13. There rule broken.

fablefire wrote:
2) RESPECT the opinions of others and any well founded arguments they might have.

A good policy to have, but so far, I haven't seen that many well founded arguments here as to why this is a mystery or why its PG-13. Just what people are reading into it and arguments about Mortal Kombat blood.

On a side note, it wasn't the blood in Mortal Kombat that made parents and politicians freak out. It was the fact that you had Sub Zero ripping out a man's head and spine with blood dripping off of it in a very graphic fashion. Not to mention Kano ripping out someone's heart and biting it.

fablefire wrote:For example, I respect that you have a different opinion from me regarding the shirt being on theme. I see a certain episode of NCIS in it which took an hour to unravel the mystery. You don't. Oh well. You however, have little to no respect for my rationale in supporting artists or my opinion on this shirt (or others) and think me a liar and a sellout. Thanks champ.

I don't think you are a liar, but I do think that you are very sycophantic to the "wonder twins" as Adder as so called them. Don't get me wrong, I've seen people jump down on them for nonsensical reasons, and I'm glad there are people to stand up to those morons for them. However, this isn't one of those incidents. While I don't think that this design is on topic, I can see how some might think it is. I firmly disagree, but I can see where you're coming from. What I feel is not debatable is that brain matter coming out of the back of his head is beyond Woot's stereotypical limits.

fablefire wrote:I don't like the system around here either, but when I can't stand the ridiculousness of it all I leave for a week. I don't flame people. If you think that my support of artists and disapproval of unfounded flames is selling out then that's the way it goes. That is your choice to project a negative light on me and whoever else you want. Bummer.

I haven't flamed anyone here(unless you count me saying that I don't respect you anymore), so I don't know where you going with that. However, you have flamed in this very thread. And you might not like the system around here, but you seem to have no quarrels working it. I can't fault you for your designs being cute, as you've always been that way, but I can fault you for your seemingly unwavering defense of these artists, even if the accusations/complaints are founded/valid/reasonable.


And just reference, I still love the Say no to scurvy shirt.

Explodinggreenllama wrote:About all the "depicting violence should be rejected" stuff, what about this

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=12552

I understand it was rejected maybe under other means though...

*shrugs*

That shirt is awesome! Do you know if it's being sold somewhere else?

Pandering or No Pandering this shirt is not only great in concept, it's very well executed.

If you call pandering, i call shenanigans.

GMV.

Explodinggreenllama wrote:http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=12552

Maybe that's a little easier

Hey, woot! Didja forget about this?



Joel, everything at all similar to this has been rejected every time before this, and that is a big reason why that people have gotten the idea that you have favoritism, as you asked about during a previous derby. You don't give a pass like you're doing here to anyone else- not once.

cobolisdead wrote:apcray! Its bouncing in and out of the fog! Come on folks! Keep voting for this design!

Yeah, it's very frustrating. I'm getting whiplash watching this shirt. >.<

Re: Femme Fatale

This is the best shirt I've seen in this derby so far (and I've been going down from the top). I just hope it makes it to the fog before the derby closes...

AdderXYU wrote:I like how this utilizes a cute animal for absolutely no reason. It is a MYSTERY to me why that is the case. Surely there must be a reason deeper than "cute = vote"?

I just assumed that they were cats, because cats have such a killer instinct. One of them killed that mouse... but who?

As for crayons, yeah, the people have names that are colors. But that seems to be a more one dimensional look-- not a far leap to make Mr. Green and Mrs. White crayons. This is fanciful and clever.

Re: tonight, a tail of murder

Great Illustration! I really like the red eyes of the birds. I voted for it the first day it was submitted. And I like the regular sized shirt much better than the extra long one you used in previous entries.

tgentry wrote:...

I like it!

Re: An Unfolding Mystery

This is an example of woot art I think transcends the t-shirt canvas. I'd frame it and put it on the wall.

Re: Cats With Weapons

I think the displaced grooming of Mrs. White is a red herring. I am highly suspicious of Mr. Green. He has the rope, and all the other weapons require opposable thumbs.

I just wanted to thank people for their votes and comments. This is my first-ever Derby entry (I know that fact partially "outs" me, but I think it's probably not enough info to take away the full mystery of my identity).

It's very encouraging to see some positive repsonses.

I didn't realize that the description I entered on the submission page wouldn't be posted here, but here's what I had to say about the design:

"Detective Smith had never before noticed how similar the outlines of a footprint were to the outlines of a city block. Upon closer inspection, the connection seemed obvious..."

Thanks again, for bolstering the confidence of a newbie.

fablefire wrote:Stuff

I'd only like to make a general response. You may not see it this way because you've come under fire much more so now than you ever have but take some responsibility for that. You say that your art has remained the same as it always was.

Yes, you have always made cute shirts. In my estimation since I've been here, you never had a bad rap for it. The prevailing feeling seemed to be, "fable has always made cute shirts before cute shirts were in and they are always her style so they're ok." And this has been largely my feeling as well. As cute as any of your designs got, they always had a very distinct and unique style that made them yours.

Though I do not presume to know your motives, what I have seen is that with the advent of the wonder twins you've hit the chibi art pretty heavily. And what I have also seen is that you have completely ditched everything that made them yours. If you look at the progression of your designs it is very clear that once the wonder twins opened up the anime niche you dove right in and in large part most of what you've designed since could have been drawn by anyone.

The same goes for this shirt. The ideas aren't new and there is nothing really to this shirt but halftones and violence. Anyone saying that this is clearly "murder mystery" should check out Edgar's "fiction vs. non-fiction" on cameesa. That's how you illustrate a genre. This is just subpar work and it's no more complex than that. This artist gets repeated hate because he repeatedly submits subpar work.

Re: The mystery step of the underwear gnomes

Sigh.... question marks are text when you do them, just like all the other people who did them this derby.

yankeebird wrote:Sigh.... question marks are text when you do them, just like all the other people who did them this derby.

So are the + and = signs.

dirtdirt wrote:This is killer. I hope and believe it will print. You are nuts if you think this is Tgentry, no reflection on the quality of his fine work, only that this is SO CLEARLY by the artist it is by. I'd bet a million dollars. A zillion.

I never thought it was which is why the satement threw me off so much. I have no doubt tgentry could draw something like this if he wanted to so I wasn't sure if he was branching out a little more in the spirit of the derby. But like I said, I just read his statement wrong.

Re: The mystery step of the underwear gnomes

MAKE TXT STOPP PLZ KTXBAI

Wait a min. I wonder what the record is for derby rejections... we must be approaching it!

Re: Unsuspecting artist falls into the mysterious fog

It's no mystery that you guys are the greatest. Come comment and vote, thanks.

that sun looks a bit familiar o_o

scumit wrote:that sun looks a bit familiar o_o

i figured someone might say that
but in all honesty i hadn't seen "good morning sunshine" before i did this
this is my first derby entry

but if it poses a problem, i can change it :O
tho i kinda doubt a resub would be worth it

fablefire wrote:As far as, "There is a lot to be said for trying to make a difference" goes, I step in to call you on chocolate milk because I'm trying to make a difference. My morals and principles disagree with unfounded mudslinging and faulty assumptions. That is my "making a difference", because while you're worried about the quality of derby entries, I'm worried about the quality of discussion in the derbies. It has nothing to do with my bottom line, and everything to do with my morals and principals telling me that your witch hunts and undeserved insults are bad news for everyone in the end (except for maybe you and woot's bottom line).

I've seen you write on various occasions that you're just calling people on their chocolate milk and you hope they would return the favor.

I'm returning the favor.

Agreed.

Here's one for you Adder: Instead of you handpicking artists and telling them what/how to design and then telling people how to vote and what they should like, how about there just be no forums for the derby. No comments at all. Just submitting whatever shirt you like without the SHAME of Adder exposing your shallowness. Same with voting. Wouldn't it be great to be free from persecution? Free from the wrath of mean people on the internet? Let's give that a go.

I know that doesn't fit with your ideals/goals/hobby, Adder, but I refuse to recognize you and King and Lord of all that is T-shirts.

I like that the moustache looks like the fog swirls!

JustWalkedIn wrote:i figured someone might say that
but in all honesty i hadn't seen "good morning sunshine" before i did this
this is my first derby entry

but if it poses a problem, i can change it :O
tho i kinda doubt a resub would be worth it

Okay you knew someone would think it looks the same. AND you knew exactly what shirt the previous poster was referring to even though they didn't mention it. AND you're freely offering to resubmit with a different sun. That totally sounds like you /did/ use the same sun on purpose.

Go ahead and resubmit because you need to get rid of those gradients.

Re: Murder Mystery

Sometimes I know who the artist is, but sometimes I don't. I havent been here long enough, nor do I document all of their attributes. I am sort of bummed that the lynch mob STILL came out for this derby and gave away this entry among others. I really was hoping to keep them all a mystery and have been avoiding cheating. But it is hard to avoid when the same people say the same things about the same artists each week. This is becoming a freaking witch hunt each week. So I guess its my bad for reading the comments, but thanks again for ruining most of the entries this week.

Re: Cats With Weapons

I must say, you did a great job personifying the cats, especially Col. Mustard and Miss Scarlet... I really like the effort you put into this design and I appreciate that it's not like the other cutesy animal designs. This HAS to print!!! I must have...

kylemittskus wrote:Why on earth are they penguins?!?! Seriously, I want a good reason.

Everything's better with penguins!

lila927 wrote:I like that the moustache looks like the fog swirls!

Thanks Lila.

Re: Unsuspecting artist falls into the mysterious fog

dirtdirt wrote:This is killer. I hope and believe it will print. You are nuts if you think this is Tgentry, no reflection on the quality of his fine work, only that this is SO CLEARLY by the artist it is by. I'd bet a million dollars. A zillion.

I'd say this is a Cho. An Unfolding Mystery is TGentry.. and Murder Mystery looks very familiar too.

Re: Ghost Town RESUB

It might be creepy, but I don't see mystery in it. Probably should add a corpse or something...

Re: Murder Mystery

I just had to vote for this. Anything Adder hates, I love. Funny how that works out.

incorrect account D: apologies

[quote postid="3271265" user="xtinaftw"]Looks like a compass!

Or climbing airplane wing in section - ailerons, flaps, elevators & all gone wild?

Alien technology, of course ... nicely executed, but not necessarily mysterious, & placement possibly unfriendly to the female bosom.

Probably just my old eyes, but I'm finding this hard to see. Any chance of a separate, clean comp?

bfr004 wrote:I think the displaced grooming of Mrs. White is a red herring. I am highly suspicious of Mr. Green. He has the rope, and all the other weapons require opposable thumbs.

I'm thinking it was Mr Green too. He looks like he is protecting his trophy from Mrs. Peacock.

Re: Mystery Date! (resub)

Re: Mysterious Fathoms Below

Re: the mystery of the pirate chest

Re: STEAMPUNK SHERLOCK

Re: I think it's the rabbit

Re: The Murder Mystery.