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So I don't like this shirt, and I agree that pending more detailed info, such as chinese translation, it's questionable.

However, I don't get some of the responses here.

Human beings have been around for quite a while now, and even with current excessive terms copyright only lasts for a fraction of that time. At the same time artist continually recycle previous motifs and use pre-created tools.

Tell me that all your photoshop brushes, all your fonts, all your color palettes and pantone codes were created from scratch by you... wait, you can't? You have brush packs and match pantone codes and buy your fonts?
Our Movie Genre, you must be a big thief. All real artists do everything from scratch.

That skull and crossbones? You dare rip off of 19th century pirates? That raven? You dare rip off Edgar Allan Poe? Microchips? I'm sorry, engineers have patents on those.

Our Movie Genre you dare rip off a pretty traditional looking oriental dragon that in some similar form has probably been around for a few thousand years regardless of whether that exact design is someone else's?

The only reason people like the dragon is because it looks like other oriental dragons, not because it's unique or original. All you 'artists,' wake up and realize that imitating well known visual motifs isn't any different than incorporating other design elements except that it takes less time and get a life.

Anyhow, it's not like I like collage artists, shirt leaps into the vacuum and the 'creator' was lazy but you don't need to have a hernia about it.

PS: If you want to avoid this scaffolding you could just have everything be done by hand, that's 'transformative' enough to avoid this sort of scaffolding and also skips the whole ease of 'stock' bits.

slogger wrote:The only reason people like the dragon is because it looks like other oriental dragons, not because it's unique or original. All you 'artists,' wake up and realize that imitating well known visual motifs isn't any different than incorporating other design elements except that it takes less time and get a life.

No, that's incorrect. Look again at what has been posted - the problem artists have with this design is that no work was done with it. It was literally one click of the brush to get all the linework of the dragon. Using a circular brush shape to draw is not even close to the same thing. There is a difference between using a basic brush shape in Photoshop and downloading a complete dragon image and calling it your own.

Re: friends

This is definitely a shirt I would have to hide from my extremely conservative and religious family (at least I don't live at home!), but I think it's amazing and stunning!
If it's modest enough for tv commercials then why wouldn't it be modest enough for a t-shirt?

I love it and I want one dang it!

stargirl6878 wrote:i am pissed this didnt win...i wanted to buy one...sorry...

:D Oh well, but thanks for the compliment!

wootmuh wrote:Not really. Humans are Humans. Think an Asian giving an American a chinese symbol tattoo. The robots in the picture are different, but they are both robots. So they speak a different language, think of it as different programming languages.

I guess you have to be a computer geek to get it

Very true. So maybe the bot-dude on the left is all about the C++ while the bot-dude on the right is all about the Java. I dig.

spanishmel wrote:I am so happy that this was exposed. All of my spidey senses told me that this was a downloaded image. I've been bugging my boyfriend yapping about this all week. ...

So you're dancing around because Woot couldn't verify the status of the copyright, and due to an honest mistake Tikiti is out $1000 bucks and the people can't get the dragon tshirt they wanted.

Also, ppl complaining that not much work was put into this - noone cares. According to wooters it looked better then 95% of the other entries, and that's the whole point of this site.

camoor wrote:So you're dancing around because Woot couldn't verify the status of the copyright, and due to an honest mistake Tikiti is out $1000 bucks and the people can't get the dragon tshirt they wanted. I can't imagine why your bf finds you annoying.

Also, ppl complaining that not much work was put into this - noone cares. According to wooters it looked better then 95% of the other entries, and that's the whole point of this site.

When woot rejects designs they pretty much always use the most convenient excuse, I mean reason. If they can say something that is less limiting to them in the future, like "we can't verify the terms because it is written in Australian English instead of American English" rather than "we really, really don't like people to use essentially unaltered art created by someone else", then they'll always go with the reason that allows them the most wiggle room on rejection of future designs.

What a let down... looked really cool, I had been waiting until Friday for this shirt, but yeah, I guess looking cool isn't all that matters.

camoor wrote:So you're dancing around because Woot couldn't verify the status of the copyright, and due to an honest mistake Tikiti is out $1000 bucks and the people can't get the dragon tshirt they wanted. I can't imagine why your bf finds you annoying.

Also, ppl complaining that not much work was put into this - noone cares. According to wooters it looked better then 95% of the other entries, and that's the whole point of this site.

Honest mistake? He tried to hide it. If he really didn't feel like it as a big deal he could have posted it; obviously he felt it would be potentially ratted out so he kept his mouth shut. "Honest" mistake. Hah, he just 'hid' the truth of the design until someone inconveniently showed it.

Regardless, it's disrespectful to every artist that put time into a work here. I realize you don't appreciate that, but you know, most people typically don't respect the hard work that goes into art.

You say no one cares but guess what? Obviously a lot of people care. The only people who don't seem to care is.... well, people who don't have ethical qualms with taking someone's art, altering color elements and claiming it as their own until someone finds the source image elsewhere.

Something tells me you're not an artist *shock*.

Just bought mine

Re: Yeah, thats what it really says.

The binary translates to "107,105,99,107,32,109,101" in decimal, converted to ASCII character is "kick me"

kdubbs29 wrote:Is that really what the binary means? If so, that's hilarious!

Colesquarters wrote:I love it. hubby is a tattoo artist- I'd buy it in a heartbeat! thanks for the laugh

Thanks :D Glad you like it. Tattoo artistry is something I considered getting into a while ago, but I love digital art a lot too.

Kyros wrote:Very true. So maybe the bot-dude on the left is all about the C++ while the bot-dude on the right is all about the Java. I dig.

Programming languages are not the same as machine code. I think the joke is more along the lines of asci versus unicode.

very nice!

This is awesome. Even though it didn't win the derby, I think I might get it as an actual tattoo. Thanks for your design!

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=33835]Skull

homesluice wrote:Honest mistake? He tried to hide it. If he really didn't feel like it as a big deal he could have posted it; obviously he felt it would be potentially ratted out so he kept his mouth shut. "Honest" mistake. Hah, he just 'hid' the truth of the design until someone inconveniently showed it.

Regardless, it's disrespectful to every artist that put time into a work here. I realize you don't appreciate that, but you know, most people typically don't respect the hard work that goes into art.

You say no one cares but guess what? Obviously a lot of people care. The only people who don't seem to care is.... well, people who don't have ethical qualms with taking someone's art, altering color elements and claiming it as their own until someone finds the source image elsewhere.

Something tells me you're not an artist *shock*.

Something tells me you're not a fan of Warhol. Art can be a collaborative effort, with one artist building off the works of the last. And there are generous souls who release images to public domain. We're the ones who lost the chance to buy an awesome shirt, so get over yourself man.

camoor wrote:So you're dancing around because Woot couldn't verify the status of the copyright, and due to an honest mistake Tikiti is out $1000 bucks and the people can't get the dragon tshirt they wanted. I can't imagine why your bf finds you annoying.

Also, ppl complaining that not much work was put into this - noone cares. According to wooters it looked better then 95% of the other entries, and that's the whole point of this site.

Camoor, if you think Tikiti made a "honest mistake" I have a bridge to sell you. Although, I am a villainous witch who seeks to sabotage honest hard working super artists like Tikiti, I can say with certitude that if my boyfriend is annoyed by me, it has more to do with my talking too much while he's playing a video game than it does with Tikiti's harrowing tale of thwarted ambition, plight and despair. Tikiti isn't "out" $1000...Woot isn't going to penalize him or debit his bank account. He simply did not win and is not going to be rewarded the $1000 prize. Would you rather your shining Adonis be slapped with an infringement lawsuit? I know it is a harsh reality but the people who won will be paid the money...from my understanding the people who didn't win don't get paid. Woot finally took out some of the garbage! I'm sure you'll forgive me but I think I feel some dancing coming on. This one is for you Camoor!

camoor wrote:Something tells me you're not a fan of Warhol. Art can be a collaborative effort, with one artist building off the works of the last. And there are generous souls who release images to public domain. We're the ones who lost the chance to buy an awesome shirt, so get over yourself man.

indeed i am not a fan of HACKS. pretentious hacks at that. his sorry copy and paste jobs got passed off as fine art and he even had othr people paint his paintings. how does that make him a painter? that makes him a designer. and moreso, a designer appreciated largely by pretentious insecure people with superiority complexes who talk down to people and ridicule them for having opinions and ethics. yeah, im talking about you, camoor

marmls2m wrote:indeed i am not a fan of HACKS. pretentious hacks at that. his sorry copy and paste jobs got passed off as fine art and he even had othr people paint his paintings. how does that make him a painter? that makes him a designer. and moreso, a designer appreciated largely by pretentious insecure people with superiority complexes who talk down to people and ridicule them for having opinions and ethics. yeah, im talking about you, camoor

1900 called, the era wants its art and crafts movement back.

Pop-art won dude, and people want multi-color dragon tshirts. They don't care if it was lovingly crafted by hand last week or drawn by a computer 4 years ago as long as it looks cool. You're a smart lad, surely through your constant discontent you must have realized that you're a dinosaur in a mass-production world.

At least the colors were cool and the dragon was authentic-looking, this stood above any tee you could pickup at your local trendy fashion chain.

re: bessy got a tramp stamp

Thanks folks!

camoor wrote:Something tells me you're not a fan of Warhol. Art can be a collaborative effort, with one artist building off the works of the last. And there are generous souls who release images to public domain. We're the ones who lost the chance to buy an awesome shirt, so get over yourself man.

Warhol wasn't an artist. I don't care who likes him. He was a hack.

I'm new to this Derby concept and am not yet quite clear on all of the details. I sure do hope I am able to get a t-shirt with this design though. It's beautiful and eye catching and intriguing and I like the concept behind it.. it's just great!

Re: The Living Canvas

I was soooo looking forward to buying this!

mxjx wrote:I was soooo looking forward to buying this!

If there's a tie tonight, you can!

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UUUUUGGGGHHHHH I REALLY REALLY want this shirt.

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely nothing artistic about taking a pre-made form and adding some color to it. I'm not saying it wouldn't have made a nice shirt, but it goes against what this website is about. "Here's a thought, make a shirt about it" shouldn't be, "Oh, tattoos have dragons, let me grab a dragon out of a book and submit it!" Absolutely no effort should not be rewarded. I don't like the friends image today really, but at least they were creative. This shirt was a cop out to get money, and it was rightfully rejected.

Okay - I never post on here but I felt the need.

All this talk about an art contest, integrity of the artist etc. People - what the hell?

I thought maybe I was out of the loop and didn't know the rules, so I went and checked. Nope - no mention of art.

This is not an art contest - this is a tshirt design contest! If you choose to do art - go for it - but as marmls2m pointed out (unintentionally of course) - this entry IS design!

reaseyann wrote:Okay - I never post on here but I felt the need.

All this talk about an art contest, integrity of the artist etc. People - what the hell?

I thought maybe I was out of the loop and didn't know the rules, so I went and checked. Nope - no mention of art.

This is not an art contest - this is a tshirt design contest! If you choose to do art - go for it - but as marmls2m pointed out (unintentionally of course) - this entry IS design!

Well said. I come to woot to buy things. I'm not here to reward the greatest artists submitting shirts, unless I want to buy one to wear.

lina70 wrote:I'm new to this Derby concept and am not yet quite clear on all of the details. I sure do hope I am able to get a t-shirt with this design though. It's beautiful and eye catching and intriguing and I like the concept behind it.. it's just great!

I'm glad you liked it! It may be on sale Sunday.

I MUST HAVE THIS!!!....gmv!

Re: friends

Reminds me of Bruce Timm's work. Very nice design.

Re: I Heart Your Mom

Please, please tell me you are going to get this made SOMEWHERE, 'cause I want to own it. (=

Re: I Heart Your Mom

This Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) is awesome, I would totally buy one

Hey! The print turned out great, and looks terrific on the shirt! Thanks Joel, and Barbara, and Woot!

Here it is, modeled by my oldest son.



and a close-in view of the kiwi's head:


If you want one, click the link!

AdderXYU wrote:Warhol wasn't an artist. I don't care who likes him. He was a hack.

Wow AdderXYU, we have something in common. I would buy you a beer if we were standing in a bar and you said that to me.

Re: I Heart Your Mom

o i am a worthless pooter whut did not vote. this is too brilliant, i haven't any idea what the top three are but i care not... i only have eyes for Your Mom.

mrwednesday wrote:Yeah, it doesn't make any sense with them both being robots. I see the rationalization police are already on the scene with mac/pc etc, but it would have been much better and smarted to make the guy getting tattooed not a robot.

Especially the "your peple" part of it makes it much more awkward. It's unfortunate you didn't go with a person or a panda or a turtle or a series of three figures with brushstroke distressing.

ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. hee hee ho hoo ha ha. aaaaaaa, ha ha ha ha ha!

thank you mrwednesday (are they still blathering on out there? o, yes, yup, youbetcha)

*ahem*


(hee hee hee)