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Re: Simple Halloween Fun - Brown Resub

I increased the thickness of the border and reversed the orange/brown colors giving it a beefier look.

x3xleggedxninja wrote:Haha definitely a cool and interesting monster!

Thanks for the kind words, I just wish I could have figured out what to do to make this design more interesting. Seems it just doesn't catch the eye.

Re: The Great Pumpkin Witch

It looks like the bat on the right looks like he's enjoying the show. Maybe it's just my mind in the gutter though.

Re: Zombie Candycorn

First of all congrats to the artist for creating something that many seem to think is the be all end all of the halloween art world, but honestly, I am just not understanding the awesomeness of this design. Granted I am well outside the general voting age here, but c'mon kiddos, don't you have any desire to wear something unique? Sadly, there are several outside the box designs in this derby that just won't make it to print.

Re: The Legend Lives On

Dude you did a great job on this, I knew it was going to be awesome when I saw your preliminary sketches.

Re: Zombie Candycorn

I like the idea of this shirt and find it humorous... I don't like the random gap on the lower left.

Who cares if this is just a rehash of her last submission? It's getting more votes than other designs. This means that despite all the hate she's getting, more people like this design than the others.

You can't hate the artist for wanting to get their material out there (and the $1000 check). Blame the wooters voting for it!

PS. I signed on for the first time in a while just to vote this up. Seki, you're awesome and I have several of your shirts =D

Don't hate the players, hate the game!

EldanRetha wrote:I heard this guy harasses people for taking back their votes... Even when they don't. Well, that's one less vote for him.

You mean three less

mfbassplayer wrote:I had basically typed this exact same thing, yet you beat me to it. I will say that you expressed it much better than I did, so I will just put my stamp of approval on this comment.

agreed

Re: but srsly it's mai pumpkin

lol at people comparing this to that nasty cat in a pumpkin shirt

i dont think this has been rejected just cuz she stated that its a tiger and not a normal house cat.

look for a shirt on the internet with a tiger in a pumpkin and then there is reason for full rejection

until then. this gets my vote

Murphly wrote:Who cares if this is just a rehash of her last submission? It's getting more votes than other designs. This means that despite all the hate she's getting, more people like this design than the others.

You can't hate the artist for wanting to get their material out there (and the $1000 check). Blame the wooters voting for it!

PS. I signed on for the first time in a while just to vote this up. Seki, you're awesome and I have several of your shirts =D

Don't hate the players, hate the game!

I do think most people are hating the game. Or more accurately, the seemingly arbitrary calls of the referees.

If Woot's rules were clear and if they were enforced consistently, there'd be a lot less drama. As it is, everyone's guessing what Woot will do, when they will do it, why or why not. And arguing about what should be done.

I don't personally dislike any of the artists or posters here. Because I don't personally know them. There's a lot of tees that I wouldn't wear, because it's not my style. But I don't dislike the artists for creating the art. But I do dislike the way the derby is run.

I think I found the mom looking for her baby

Duddles86 wrote:I think I found the mom looking for her baby

That pumpkin isn't going to be smiling for very long.

Murphly wrote:Who cares if this is just a rehash of her last submission? It's getting more votes than other designs. This means that despite all the hate she's getting, more people like this design than the others.


Don't hate the players, hate the game!

Because the first one was rejected, and this one's changes are laughable. In other words, I think most are hating the game. Its popularity has no bearing on the fact that this design deserves rejection.

And the fact that she made such laughable changes merits plenty of criticism.

genericsmith wrote:I like the idea of this shirt and find it humorous... I don't like the random gap on the lower left.

I agree. It seems almost like the submitter deleted some candy corns from the lower left in order to fit the shirt comp into the image. The shirt comp should be the main image, not an inconvenience to hide away in the corner.

Re: black cat brain food

One part of me likes this. Another part of me wants to round up every stray cat and porch pumpkin in my neighborhood and ship them all to Woot.

you people all care too much. i like tigers. GMV

truffleshuffle wrote:I didn't miss that point. I understand that everyone's frustrated because the best art doesn't necessarily get the most votes and because Woot's criteria for rejection appears sometimes to vary from entry to entry. I am frustrated too, believe me. But this entry isn't getting Seki any closer to rejection and it's not giving anymore votes or attention to designs that SHOULD be in the fog instead. As far as proving a point, the only thing that this is proving to me is that Woot voters will vote for a shirt regardless of originality, artistic skills* or a logical connection to the theme...which has already been shown by the original tiger in a pumpkin (in my opinion). All, that's happened is that there is yet one more shirt getting a lot of votes that I would never buy or wear and that I believe should also be rejected. I know that a lot of people got a laugh from this, but over 200 votes out of spite for another design? As I said, I'm just disappointed.

*Clarification: I'm not saying Josephus doesn't have artistic skill because these Cheetahs are fairly well executed. I just don't think that's why this shirt has been getting votes.

Thanks for that last bit. :^)

I'd like to clarify some, if I can. First, this design has basically gotten no votes since early last evening when it fell out of the hotness. It isn't out there, blocking other people from getting their deserved votes for being, somehow more pure, I guess.

I drew this design because I want to win the derby! To expound, I think the way that I can best do that is if the derby is fair to everyone. If the tiger kitten is different from the housecat kitten, then it follows that any other large species of cat's kitten is also different. I didn't want to make a design that was essentially a copy of someone else's entry, because that would certainly be just cause to reject me, so I made a design with a house behind it, and the brother kitten also playing with part of the big gourd, and I made sure that the jackolantern differed from any otherwise similar entries. In addition, I really don't care for the shiny look, so I drew the kittens in a more realistic style- on the other hand, pumpkins are often waxed and polished, so they look shiny in real life. I didn't put much effort into the pumpkins anyway, which I regret, and left out any sort of candle lighting- after all, real jackolanterns usually use those little candles, not great big tall candles.

Anyway, I was as careful as I could be to not let my design have any rejectable reasons other than similarity to a previously made shirt with a kitten in a pumpkin. I figured, and still do, that if my design is rejected, then any designs of a similar nature ought to also be rejected. I believe that, if anyone is going to be inconsistent in the way that they treat entrants, they ought to have to face their inconsistency head on and not let it sneak around in the dark, pretending that it wasn't really inconsistent at all.

Despite all that, it doesn't look like they're going to reject any of the relevant designs or the five or six others that followed.

Maybe next time they'll follow their own precedents.

cubeenigma wrote:
look for a shirt on the internet with a tiger in a pumpkin and then there is reason for full rejection

until then. this gets my vote

Sorry couldn't resist.

I'm really hoping for this one. I love the imagery. *crosses fingers* Good luck!

brendon27 wrote:I think it would probably be a fair description to call me some kind of lurker on these forums. :-) I follow the derby, follow the drama, but very rarely (if ever) have I had any input. As to whether that input is of any value, I am not attempting to gauge.

I understand that this post is coming somewhat late in the game. However, I find that in these circumstances, I do not wish to remain silent.

When I saw the large beady eyes and cutesy style drawing, I knew there was bound to be drama afoot. Upon reading many of the comments, I found to my surprise that this was a re-submission of a nearly identical work that had been rejected.

I would like to say that I think this re-submission is an absolutely disgusting mockery of the rules and the reason for rejection. The contempt displayed for the contest, the artists, and the voting community is apalling and as a result, for whatever it is worth, I can't in good conscience buy or vote for any future submissions by this submitter.


In addition, to address a lot of "hate" I have seen toward a certain forum member, I would like to add that over the past year I have made a point of following the criticisms made by AdderXYU. At first (much like, it seems, a lot of others), I couldn't stand the guy. What I noticed, though, was that he always backs up his comments with evidence, always addresses an argument, and is very consistent in his criticisms. Whatever you may say about him being harsh, I think he has quality input.

I'm not saying he's right 100% of the time, or that I want to marry the guy, or I think he should be president, or something, but from a mostly outside observer's point of view, he calls it like he sees it and defends himself intelligently, which is more than I can say for most of the retorts I see.


That's my input based on what I have seen.

I resemble this as well. Very nicely put.

nwgirlie wrote:I resemble this as well. Very nicely put.

How is this shirt still up?? If it prints; no more business from me for a long time.

Re: mmm...kitty...pumpkin...brains

absolutely genius

atracy316 wrote:Wasn't in the market for another reaper shirt, but this is awesome. Don't think I'd pass this one up.

You've passed every other shirt up it looks like. :P

hahahahahaha, LOVES IT.

AdderXYU wrote:and I disqualify the above statement because, as an outsider, you don't know that having a "blind derby" just made the pandering worse, and have no idea of the history that makes this stuff so offensive.

I've been away too long... did Woot(!) really have a blind derby? People have been suggesting that since the beginning. I (and others) said it would never work.

Based on your comment, I'm guessing it didn't go so well. I'm going to go be smug for the rest of the day now, thanks :-)

brendon27 wrote:In addition, to address a lot of "hate" I have seen toward a certain forum member, I would like to add that over the past year I have made a point of following the criticisms made by AdderXYU. At first (much like, it seems, a lot of others), I couldn't stand the guy. What I noticed, though, was that he always backs up his comments with evidence, always addresses an argument, and is very consistent in his criticisms. Whatever you may say about him being harsh, I think he has quality input.

I'm not saying he's right 100% of the time, or that I want to marry the guy, or I think he should be president, or something, but from a mostly outside observer's point of view, he calls it like he sees it and defends himself intelligently, which is more than I can say for most of the retorts I see.


That's my input based on what I have seen.

To be honest, I do not like Adder. At all. This doesn't make him inherently wrong though, and I do look specifically for his criticisms when looking at designs because he is intelligent, consistent, and knows what he's talking about. He's also a jerk and I harbor rather a lot of dislike for him because of it, but hey, no one's perfect.

Of course, Adder does blanketly hate styles that I enjoy when done right. I hate to ignore everything he says on entries that draw on anime or other modern Eastern influences. His complete hatred of the style prevents him from offering useful commentary on perfectly good designs sometimes.

In cases like this entry though, he's spot on.

Re: On This Night There Be Monsters

Excellent monster and concept Jewel! The humor in this one is so surreal.

derekfilley wrote:I've been away too long... did Woot(!) really have a blind derby? People have been suggesting that since the beginning. I (and others) said it would never work.

Based on your comment, I'm guessing it didn't go so well. I'm going to go be smug for the rest of the day now, thanks :-)

Technically, yes, they did, but if you've been around long enough, it's trivial to identify most people by their stylistic choices.

Also, even though the person's name was obscured on the submission, you could figure out who they were if they posted in the thread. Their name came up as a ?, but if you highlighted their number of Woots box, it had their name there.

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

Wow... this thread has uh... gotten a little out of hand...

Back to the design: I like it a lot. It's sick. I totally dig it. Bass, you're one of my favorite new artists that I've seen submitting here. Good luck

Oh- and I frickin NEED your Extreme Bear from the national parks derby. That better get some recognition in the double take!

Sorry couldn't resist.

Even at their young age they have a "Really mom? Are you seriously doing this to me?" look in their eyes.


EDIT: I messed up the quoting format, but kudos to whoever posted these pics first.

Re: Ghoul-friend and Boo-friend

Great characters and style per usual! Your Count design was amusing and well done for sure, but I'm glad you submitted this one as well.

snarkygal wrote:No, this isn't supposed to be fun. This is for $1000! Plus more after the first day of sales. And this artist and her boyfriend continually put up "designs" that are sub par, break rules, etc. That is why they get such negativity.

Um, I still think the main purpose is supposed to be to have fun... :\

I read a few of your posts, and I deem your username very appropriate. That was not meant to be an insult. I was simply amused. Yay feistiness!

Re: I Like Candy

watching the films???? I love this!

derekfilley wrote:I've been away too long... did Woot(!) really have a blind derby? People have been suggesting that since the beginning. I (and others) said it would never work.

Based on your comment, I'm guessing it didn't go so well. I'm going to go be smug for the rest of the day now, thanks :-)

The mystery derby was a blind derby. People who didn't know the artists well might have been a little fooled, but if they didn't know the artists, it wouldn't have mattered if they knew the names. For anyone else it was easy enough to figure out who was who.

Re: Were-Pumpkin

I love this shirt so much! I think it's perfect and I wouldn't change a thing. I'm going to be very sad if this shirt doesn't print.

To get my bias out of the way: I supported Drakxxx's rejected shirt. I do not support this design (it's not my style). That said, I've liked some of Seki's work in the past. There, hidden motives are out of the way.

I want to ask about the design and ignore the drama (I think most people will agree that personal attacks & votes based on spite towards artists/other wooters should be generally avoided by everyone). So the original shirt was this design with a black cat. Now this is an orange cat with black stripes. Yes, of course it's stylized, but it's still a cat. Making it orange and adding black stripes don't make it a tiger, because this is also a cat (called a toyger):



Taking this picture into consideration, how can you conclusively say that based on the design that this is a tiger, not a cat? It's not like she drastically altered the shape of the cat to make it a tiger--other than color, the appearance is basically identical to her earlier cat.

And so as to counter a rebuttal to this that I anticipate, just because an artist says it is a tiger does not make it so. If Seki had claimed that this was an elephant in a pumpkin, it would still look like a cat. After all, I believe the purpose of the rule is to avoid similar looking shirts, not shirts with similar interpretations.

Re: I Like Candy (Resub)

I would also have to say that I like this one better. I really hope to see you get a print out of this, as you're right on track to do just that. I'm certainly in for one if it makes it... I expect to see you storm into the fog any minute now. Good luck to you, sir!

mikenytola wrote:Negativity without productivity is how they choose to live their lives. Yet they don't like when people do the same to them. Funny isn't it.

But, I do not condone anybody voting just out of spite, it's not fair to the other designers. It's unfortunate that it does happen, but it's cause and effect. Something the "freedom fighters" don't seem to understand and ignore and keep causing. You can't teach the blind to see.

I do not understand why you are trying to squash their arguments. They are trying to help other people understand what they think, they are much more civil than a lot of posters, and they back up their postitions. When you blatantly insult them, call them stupid, etc, you accomplish nothing other than to make them think you are more stupid. Wouldn't it be better to try to argue civilly with them? Even if you don't convince them you are right, at least you would earn their respect. We are all here because we enjoy creative art. It seems a shame to make enemies out of potential friends. :\

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

Hi guys,

after the yellow dook storms that have taken over here I decided to just not read anymore comments ^^;. Typing kills my hands, and I've pretty much said what I think I can say in defense of myself, and this cat image. It began as a joke, but by some stroke of luck it ended up being kinda cute and has been able to stand on it's own. Yay for Seymore the Spidermonster and his kawaii cat suit!

What I do want to say though, is a giant THANK YOU to everyone who's left nice comments, or come to battle on my behalf. Reading the nice comments is keeping me going and willing to try the derbys again. I may take a break after this one, as my body is just a ball of pain right now, but I'll definately try my best in the future.

Also, I have a newfound sense of empathy for some artists on this website who come under attack frequently. It is not fun....

Enjoy the remainder of the derby!