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sittle wrote:I fail to see what all the hubbub is about... Frankly from an "outsider" looking in (I'm an outsider, as I've only been a fan of the site for a couple of months now) this seems to be more of a "witch hunt" for the cutsie-themed shirts than it is about the concept.

Think about music, there are only so many chord progressions out there, and only so many that sound good together (this is currently being studied). Eventually some chord progressions will be duplicated generating hit songs.

Much like art... there are only so many valid/understood concepts out there... Is that to say as soon as one person illustrates a cat/kitten in a pumpkin, NO ONE ELSE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET may illustrate a cat/kitten in a pumpkin EVER AGAIN?

For the above matter, consider this: Where do you draw the line regarding illustrated cats/kittens/tigers/puma/lions (etc) inside illustrated pumpkins?

I think people aren't happy with the artist and they are making this personal... I think some of those very same people need to start collecting stamps or solving crossword puzzles.. Get a hobby, find something else to do to get your undies in a bunch about.

Frankly it sounds like Woot needs to start having blind derbies, derbies in which the artists name is changed... There are too many old ladies around here ringing their hands about Ramy's latest design vs. drakxxx latest design... And WAAAAAY too many ass kissers WAAAY too many.

I qualify the above statement by saying I am a trained artist and currently a practicing graphic designer.

and I disqualify the above statement because, as an outsider, you don't know that having a "blind derby" just made the pandering worse, and have no idea of the history that makes this stuff so offensive.

It's like telling Israel and Palestine to "Get over it, because religions live peacefully together in my country"

Though I don't see how anyone could be a trained artist and see this as worthwhile. And I guess I don't see any problem with no one else ever drawing a cat in a pumpkin again. Who really wants that?

AdderXYU wrote:It's also worth noting that anime-as-animation has the perks of being animated, and letting quirk and story carry them. Anime-as-art does not have that. It's sort of like how XKCD is a great webcomic, but would make an idioticallybad tshirt.

Some art styles are better for some things than others. And Ramiyoku's desu is not made for "still pictures".

Sort of how literature has no place on Deviant Art. Oh wait, that's someone else's stance. Silly me.

That's also true. Most stills of a good anime film aren't as interesting as the moving pictures, though not always the case with the very best directors ("very best" being the key phrase there).

There's also the fact that, say, Miyazaki is as good a filmmaker as there is in the world of animation. His work will always be visually interesting, precisely because he doesn't cop out the way many an anime-style artist does. His backgrounds are striking and colorful, not clipart. His concepts are original and boldly illustrated, and filled with minute details. Hell, his characters usually have visible emotion on their faces. In other words, he's a strong artist.

KaylaJ wrote:the skeleton peep reminds me of edward gorey

Embarrassingly enough, I didn't know who Edward Gorey was until I just looked him up. He seems like someone I should have known about - His works are very impressive considering their place in time - I would imagine he was a big influence on folks like Tim Burton today. I am flattered that a piece of my work reminded you of his! Thanks!

sittle wrote:I fail to see what all the hubbub is about... Frankly from an "outsider" looking in (I'm an outsider, as I've only been a fan of the site for a couple of months now) this seems to be more of a "witch hunt" for the cutsie-themed shirts than it is about the concept.

Think about music, there are only so many chord progressions out there, and only so many that sound good together (this is currently being studied). Eventually some chord progressions will be duplicated generating hit songs.

Much like art... there are only so many valid/understood concepts out there... Is that to say as soon as one person illustrates a cat/kitten in a pumpkin, NO ONE ELSE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET may illustrate a cat/kitten in a pumpkin EVER AGAIN?

For the above matter, consider this: Where do you draw the line regarding illustrated cats/kittens/tigers/puma/lions (etc) inside illustrated pumpkins?

I think people aren't happy with the artist and they are making this personal... I think some of those very same people need to start collecting stamps or solving crossword puzzles.. Get a hobby, find something else to do to get your undies in a bunch about.

Frankly it sounds like Woot needs to start having blind derbies, derbies in which the artists name is changed... There are too many old ladies around here ringing their hands about Ramy's latest design vs. drakxxx latest design... And WAAAAAY too many ass kissers WAAAY too many.

I qualify the above statement by saying I am a trained artist and currently a practicing graphic designer.

*applause*

This is a *cuter* cat than any of the ones I have seen. So =P to all of you grouchy people!

Re: bleh

True, we see a lot of the pics around of pumpkins throwing up their innards but I love the way this design looks. It's fun and cool to look at.
Best of luck. :0)

AdderXYU wrote:and I disqualify the above statement because, as an outsider, you don't know that having a "blind derby" just made the pandering worse, and have no idea of the history that makes this stuff so offensive.

It's like telling Israel and Palestine to "Get over it, because religions live peacefully together in my country"

You can tell Israel and Palestine to get over it.. You can tell them that, and they should listen... It's time to knock off all of this mamby pamby coddling Cabbage Patch Elvis going on in the world and get some real work done..

If you think Seki has infringed over some copyright bring it.. Prove it! The onus is on you... Show everyone how much of a big hero you are on the interwebs and show us the blatant copyright infringment...

Frankly speaking of there is lots of room for grey area's in art and design.. LOTS, deal with it..

I witnessed the last blind derby and in my opinion it was fine... Adder you gotta think that these designs are being presented to the public.. the public is voting... the public is speaking right now, and they like this shirt... It's not my cup of tea, but frankly if there is a 100 tshirt designs out there with kittens in pumpkins, there will be millions more in our lifetime.... When a concept (such as kitten in a pumpkin) is so obvious it's really hard to copyright the idea..

It's like selling paintings of christ on the cross, just because somebody back in 1 A.D did, doesn't mean some street urchin on the corner can't sell the same painting... it's in the public domain...

sittle wrote:I fail to see what all the hubbub is about... Frankly from an "outsider" looking in (I'm an outsider, as I've only been a fan of the site for a couple of months now) this seems to be more of a "witch hunt" for the cutsie-themed shirts than it is about the concept.

Think about music, there are only so many chord progressions out there, and only so many that sound good together (this is currently being studied). Eventually some chord progressions will be duplicated generating hit songs.

Much like art... there are only so many valid/understood concepts out there... Is that to say as soon as one person illustrates a cat/kitten in a pumpkin, NO ONE ELSE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET may illustrate a cat/kitten in a pumpkin EVER AGAIN?

For the above matter, consider this: Where do you draw the line regarding illustrated cats/kittens/tigers/puma/lions (etc) inside illustrated pumpkins?

I think people aren't happy with the artist and they are making this personal... I think some of those very same people need to start collecting stamps or solving crossword puzzles.. Get a hobby, find something else to do to get your undies in a bunch about.

Frankly it sounds like Woot needs to start having blind derbies, derbies in which the artists name is changed... There are too many old ladies around here ringing their hands about Ramy's latest design vs. drakxxx latest design... And WAAAAAY too many ass kissers WAAAY too many.

I qualify the above statement by saying I am a trained artist and currently a practicing graphic designer.

The Mystery derby was "blind". It didn't change a damn thing. Hell, that was my first experience with a Ramyb hullabaloo. I didn't know who he was at that time. I just disliked "Murder Mystery" and was annoyed that it looked like it was going to print over "An Unfolding Mystery" (which it didn't, thank goodness).

I think if you and looked back a bit through the derbies, you'd realize how much of the issue goes way, way back. It's not just a personal vendetta against the artist.

And, for what it's worth, the issue with "kitten in pumpkin" lies not with people in general drawing these things. It lies with the fact that the first design was quickly rejected for being unoriginal, so seki came right back and gave the design a hilariously superficial "makeover"... and it fogged.

Re: but srsly it's mai pumpkin

I'm confused. If everybody hates this so much, then why is it in the fog? It's anarchy, I tell you, anarchy.

sittle wrote:You can tell Israel and Palestine to get over it.. You can tell them that, and they should listen... It's time to knock off all of this mamby pamby coddling Cabbage Patch Elvis going on in the world and get some real work done..

If you think Seki has infringed over some copyright bring it.. Prove it! The onus is on you... Show everyone how much of a big hero you are on the interwebs and show us the blatant copyright infringment...

Frankly speaking of there is lots of room for grey area's in art and design.. LOTS, deal with it..

I witnessed the last blind derby and in my opinion it was fine... Adder you gotta think that these designs are being presented to the public.. the public is voting... the public is speaking right now, and they like this shirt... It's not my cup of tea, but frankly if there is a 100 tshirt designs out there with kittens in pumpkins, there will be millions more in our lifetime.... When a concept (such as kitten in a pumpkin) is so obvious it's really hard to copyright the idea..

It's like selling paintings of christ on the cross, just because somebody back in 1 A.D did, doesn't mean some street urchin on the corner can't sell the same painting... it's in the public domain...

And it is purely idiotic to say that that is how it is, so that is how it should be.

No legit artist, art critic, or art fan would sit back idly and allow what they love to become what woot allows.

And I don't think I said this was copyrighted. Just that it was done. A million times. This bring nothing to the table. Good art could have justified this. But especially this resub is just childish spite in an oversaturated style. Just like almost every sub from this person.

powerslaveintime wrote:I'm confused. If everybody hates this so much, then why is it in the fog? It's anarchy, I tell you, anarchy.

A design can be widely derided AND popular at the same time. Hell, Friedberg and Seltzer movies seem to be liked by nobody, but they always make a profit.

powerslaveintime wrote:I'm confused. If everybody hates this so much, then why is it in the fog? It's anarchy, I tell you, anarchy.

while there are people who vote for this cause they think its cute or they don't realize woot will probably reject this cause they reject things that are similar to other shirts, some just do it out of spite

powerslaveintime wrote:I'm confused. If everybody hates this so much, then why is it in the fog? It's anarchy, I tell you, anarchy.

There are over a million wooters.

If we presume every wooter has one account (which is blatantly untrue) and the average print wins at no higher than 1000 votes, over 99% of woot could loathe this design and it still get printed.

AdderXYU wrote:And it is purely idiotic to say that that is how it is, so that is how it should be.

No legit artist, art critic, or art fan would sit back idly and allow what they love to become what woot allows.

And I don't think I said this was copyrighted. Just that it was done. A million times. This bring nothing to the table. Good art could have justified this. But especially this resub is just childish spite in an oversaturated style. Just like almost every sub from this person.

It is what it is...

Seki draws well, you can see the talent in the drawing... if you don't like the style too bad... It's fogging, it's obvious that people like the design...

It's all been done... It's next to impossible to be completely original, there are millions of people drawing millions of ideas every waking moment of the day... Where do you draw the line Adder... Where does "it's been done" end and where does "good art" begin?

sittle wrote:You can tell Israel and Palestine to get over it.. You can tell them that, and they should listen... It's time to knock off all of this mamby pamby coddling Cabbage Patch Elvis going on in the world and get some real work done..

If you think Seki has infringed over some copyright bring it.. Prove it! The onus is on you... Show everyone how much of a big hero you are on the interwebs and show us the blatant copyright infringment...

Frankly speaking of there is lots of room for grey area's in art and design.. LOTS, deal with it..

I witnessed the last blind derby and in my opinion it was fine... Adder you gotta think that these designs are being presented to the public.. the public is voting... the public is speaking right now, and they like this shirt... It's not my cup of tea, but frankly if there is a 100 tshirt designs out there with kittens in pumpkins, there will be millions more in our lifetime.... When a concept (such as kitten in a pumpkin) is so obvious it's really hard to copyright the idea..

It's like selling paintings of christ on the cross, just because somebody back in 1 A.D did, doesn't mean some street urchin on the corner can't sell the same painting... it's in the public domain...

honestly I don't think the major issue here is with the potential copyright infringement.
What about the fact that the original shirt was already rejected for the reason "that similar shirts exist?" There were not enough changes to the design IMO to justify this one remaining in the running.

sittle wrote:It is what it is...

Seki draws well, you can see the talent in the drawing... if you don't like the style too bad... It's fogging, it's obvious that people like the design...

It's all been done... It's next to impossible to be completely original, there are millions of people drawing millions of ideas every waking moment of the day... Where do you draw the line Adder... Where does "it's been done" end and where does "good art" begin?

I am not a "trained artist". But I know it when I see it.

You are a trained artist and you don't?

And I can deny Seki's skill. I can deny it up and down. She has none of it. I would fight you with a broadsword to prove it. And unlike most wooters, I am not nerdy enough to know how to handle a broadsword. She is passable at drawing something that is sold in a thousand "how to draw manga" books. That is not skilled artistry.

People liking something does not make it good. People like Larry the Cable Guy movies. Go give him an Oscar.

sittle wrote:It is what it is...

Seki draws well, you can see the talent in the drawing... if you don't like the style too bad... It's fogging, it's obvious that people like the design...

It's all been done... It's next to impossible to be completely original, there are millions of people drawing millions of ideas every waking moment of the day... Where do you draw the line Adder... Where does "it's been done" end and where does "good art" begin?

Woot drew the line. They rejected this design. Then Seki went and resubbed the design with changes that were laughable. I just wrote this.

As for it fogging, see Adder's post. It's generic. Generic sells well.

And as an English major, I object to your abuse of ellipses.

Re: but srsly it's mai pumpkin

Seriously, why do you hate us so much?

sittle wrote:
Mmmm Hmmm ... stated like a true one! G'night to you sir!

:shakes head:

sittle wrote:Mmmm Hmmm ... stated like a true one! G'night to you sir!

This is just sad.

Re: All Hallows' Eve

This looks REALLY nice! I am a bit concerned about how the brown on browns will print, and the halftones look a bit on the fine side, but the overall look and feel is very pleasing.

ear7631 wrote:I am getting sick of the designs myself. However, I think that everyone that had a comment along the lines of "why are they in a line?" or "what is the dog supposed to be" are just playing stupid.

It's not a matter of "why" and "what". It's a matter of how the way they are placed looks awkward on a shirt.

sleepyplushie wrote:Doesn't matter. As long as it's a Ramy shirt, it'll be picked to death no matter what.

I agree with mailmanmo, there are constructive criticism, then there are the criticism that feel like it's there because someone has a bone to pick with the artist.

I agree with some of the comments put forth here, but there are criticism made by people who seems to be picking at every little thing just because. Stuff like "where they got the candy way out here"?

If this shirt was made by someone else there would be complaints but not to this extent.

I disagree. Art that is questionable and this high up in the voting will be critiqued. Remember "How We Got Pictures of the Yeti"? That one got picked apart like crazy for being sloppy when it approached the fog. Deadfrog's "See/hear/speak no evil" was hotly debated as well (and rejected), far more than most of his designs.

Ramy shirts get picked apart because, frankly, they usually have a reason to be. The same can't be said for any of the other artists currently contending.

Re: No More Mr. Nice Guy!

Too much text. Far, far too much. Even if it doesn't get rejected and somehow manages to place, I don't think the text will not print well. You can look at Nevermore for an example.

The woot 'community' has spoken with their votes and NOT their angry jealous comments, and apparently they like this shirt.
This is a competition, right? That's why there is prize? I'd keep putting out cutesy shirts too if I kept getting money to do it. I wouldn't care what anyone had to say about it either.

PhilSandifer wrote:I hope that this - the one of Draxxx's entries to go at all outside of Draxxx's usual comfort zone - is rewarded by voters. It's certainly the only one of his to get my vote. (Though to be fair, I Like Candy is nice in that it has a clear concept and a kind of interesting character on it, as opposed to a generic Menagerie of Spooky Stuff)

Drakxxx's art can only be called generic in the context of his own art. In other words, it isn't. And while I really like this design, it's his weakest in the derby artwise. I don't think the fact that it's not his usual style makes it superior to the others.

sugareeali wrote:This would be such a good character for a childrens book.

I second that. You should team up with someone and pen an entire book. It would be fantastic.

I like this a lot and I'm voting for it! but the design is a little too wide for the shirt in the template...

Re: the flavor of the season

While I wouldn't wear it, I can't complain about it doing well in this derby. Yeah, it's a fairly typical vampire scene. But it's simple, it has style, it oozes with atmosphere, and the design itself is really good. The cape extending down into blood is a great touch, and your spare but vibrant use of color combined with negative space (that, again, is more subtle than in most designs) is impressive.

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=36296]We Like Your

I love your pairings of animals to costumes - especially the Batperson owl and the pirate raccoon. GMV...and probably an order for three WHEN you print!

beso0282 wrote:The story of a mild mannered little boy who will eventually grow up to decapitate people.

Absolutely!

gimetzco wrote:it's just gray, this is an approximate mock up...i don't think i need to resub it with white noise on the gray. woot can print it any which way they want really.

I'm pretty sure woot has a rule requiring a heather grey template for grey shirts. I don't know how much they enforce it.

Re: The Halloween Tree

Love the design, and I would be all over it, if it wear on another color shirt.

nmtschaenn wrote:The woot 'community' has spoken with their votes and NOT their angry jealous comments, and apparently they like this shirt.
This is a competition, right? That's why there is prize? I'd keep putting out cutesy shirts too if I kept getting money to do it. I wouldn't care what anyone had to say about it either.

Popularity doesn't dictate quality, for one. And as Adder spelled out, there are tons and tons of wooters. A design usually can print with under 1,000 votes. This being fogged does not end the debate over this design's quality.

Additionally, please stop accusing the detractors of jealousy. It's stupid. If jealousy is the reason, why doesn't Tgentry face the same criticism?

As for the last reason, well, suit yourself. But I hope I'm never that cynical in artistic endeavors.

Re: Death Haunts the Night

Ok, after a couple of edits/mishaps, it's back I decided to get rid of the halftone instead of dealing with arguments for the rest of the week because I don't think they were really adding anything to the design.

I had said that I wanted to rework my design from the harvest derby, and here is the result. Thanks again for the support.

Click for full version

anjulka wrote:I second that. You should team up with someone and pen an entire book. It would be fantastic.

Thank you! That means a lot to me. I will definitely consider that. :D

powerslaveintime wrote:Embarrassingly enough, I didn't know who Edward Gorey was until I just looked him up. He seems like someone I should have known about - His works are very impressive considering their place in time - I would imagine he was a big influence on folks like Tim Burton today. I am flattered that a piece of my work reminded you of his! Thanks!

I really dislike peeps myself - they are on my inedible list - but this works on an anti-peep level as well. I do love finding decorating ideas, especially twisted ones, for the peeps my mother would insist on buying.
GMV
My favorite is the duck costume...although I'm running a mental block on the tri-color one next to it.

Re: Saddest Ghost Ever

This is so wonderfully sad! I appreciate the work and detail involved in this. Thanks!

jerroul wrote:I really dislike peeps myself - they are on my inedible list - but this works on an anti-peep level as well. I do love finding decorating ideas, especially twisted ones, for the peeps my mother would insist on buying.
GMV
My favorite is the duck costume...although I'm running a mental block on the tri-color one next to it.

I meant next to it in your post - not on the shirt

xazothia wrote:The message is MUCH clearer now Hope you get some more votes as a result!

Hehe, well so far, got the same amount of votes! But thanks, glad you find it clearer

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=36296]We Like Your

This is brilliant, Travis. So many fun details. I really love it.

I hope it prints. GMV.

Re: Zombie Candycorn

But where are the candy shotguns? Double Tap!