Shirt.Woot

Re: The unified cat-pumpkin theory

lmao lovely. Definitely gmv This beats out the zombie candy corn as my favorite. Here's hoping for a rocket to the fog!

Re: We Carves People

This makes me so happy! I really hope it wins =D

I reeeeeeeeeally hope the zombie candy corn wins one of the three spots. This shirt kicks all kinds of booty, it's not even funny.

bethlehemstarr wrote:Lol :-)
I was not in the least upset. In fact, I'm always a little happy to find someone who (a) has read Ayn Rand, (b) understands Ayn Rand (c) doesn't like Ayn Rand (d) admits all of the above.
Normally, you just find people who (a) have not read Ayn Rand or (b) read Ayn Rand in college and act all pretentious about it, while completely not understanding anything that they're saying, instead just parroting some English professor that they never really listened too.

I'm a book nerd, and am always happy to find others - even if I disagree with everything they say. :-)

**** Really sorry to be hijacking shirt thread to discuss Ayn Rand. Forgive me?

i am all the willing to discuss book nerdiness with you. i never went to college and starting reading anything anyone said was good. i read for fun the way most people watch reality shows, so please PM me if you want to continue this conversation.

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

I've been enjoying your work so far, but this entry seems to be one part commentary on another "artist's" design this week, and one part unnecessary pander. One only really has to look at what you titled it to be aware of this. While some might find this design to be a clever poke of fun at the previously mentioned "artist" and they're despicable entry this week , I translate it into disguised pandering.

Also, while I can't fault you for wanting to win the derby, some of your commentary eludes me into thinking that winning is your first most consideration when designing.

You've only been entering here for a few derbies so far, and your vote totals have been nothing to frown at in my opinion. Your bound to pull in a contest win eventually, so relax. There's no need to even toy with the idea of going over to the dark side.

ramyb wrote:I agree with this second part, but ultimately I think this design is both cute and very well executed in terms of color choices and shading, and is being rewarded by the voters accordingly (great job Bass, I think this design really works on a number of levels for me)

Yeah, I agree that the colors really pop nicely. And I have sneaking suspicion that there's parody still lurking in the design somewhere.

Re: Cute Cemetery

WANT.

KessiTheNinja wrote:A classic example of Pirates Vs. Ninjas.... and of course Ninjas WIN!!! =D
I wish I could vote more than once for this XD

hahaha thank you very much for your support

Re: The unified cat-pumpkin theory

MORE WANTING!

Dam, the derby just ate a can of Super Spinache!

BlindShooter wrote:I can't really think of anything better to say: Adder summed it up perfectly. We just need to remember ourselves to include a booby trap that will, should anyone attempt to open the box, disintegrate everything within it, making any observation impossible.
Was it carved? Was it not? Did it have a kitten inside?
Nobody can really say.

You just can't both pet the kitty AND carve the pumpkin. You have to pick one or the other.

marzipanapple wrote:Haha, oh my goodness. This is the kind of cute I like. Though it's a bit too 'shiny' for my tastes. Still, I love the design. Adorable.

Sorry for the shiny. I dont like shiny that much myself...but Woot sure seems to ^^;. (hence the shiny)

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

I agree with what a few others have said: this is well played. Right down the line between satire and serious. And actually a cool design. That's like two whole factors in it's favor.

I'll vote for it for the satire and wear it cause I love the dark sense of humor. GMV.

deusvsmachina wrote:I agree with what a few others have said: this is well played. Right down the line between satire and serious. And actually a cool design. That's like two whole factors in it's favor.

I'll vote for it for the satire and wear it cause I love the dark sense of humor. GMV.

And sorry about the grammatical errors there. I know the difference between "it's" and "its", I swear.

themaverick wrote:I like the design. Only bone i'm pickin with you is that you didnt give credit anywhere thru this thread to kender42 for the inspiration (if that comment did inspire you as I suspect it did).

On 10/17 kender42 said in seki's "but srsly it's mai pumpkin" thread: "Just put a pumpkin crawling out of a kittens head."

Since you posted this design 2 day later, it leaves me wondering, did that comment inspire your design, and if so, why no love for kender42?

If it did inspire yur design, not making any note of it is bad form in my eyes. I apolgize in advance if you did credit kender42 somewhere else, but even if you did, it would make sense to do it here too. Just my nickel's worth.

? I actually had no idea someone had made this comment? I actually drew exactly a pumpkin crawing out of the kitten's head in my sketchbook while watching movies with friends. But then when I scanned it in I decided to change it, without even realizing someone HAD already done a pumpkin crawling out of the cat's head. ^^;

I did not see kender's comment so I appologize if it appears I took someone's idea. I seriously drew this off the top of my head, but if I hadn't I'd definately give credit where due.

odysseyroc wrote:What I really like about this is that it's super cute, yet it's not straight out of the "how to draw manga" manual. It's well designed,and wonderfully colored.

Bass has some serious skills. Some people can just flat out draw and she is one of them. After seeing your site and the few designs you've submitted, I'm a big fan.

Thank you so much, odysseyroc ^^. I try but alas, doing these derby's has made me realize that there's a tooooon of talent out there. -sigh It's super hard to manage when there's so many good people out there. Thanks for looking at my site!

xazothia wrote:White shirts seem to do poorly in the derby (unless they're designed by someone like Edgar, whose style isn't for me anyway). I have seen and heard comments from other wooters that the white shirts woot uses are fairly thin and nearly see-through.

A darker shirt with these red colors, or maybe a design using the original colors would have made it a little better for me, personally, but I admit a bias towards dark and/or blue colors.

It's also a lot of ink on the shirt, which some people are picky about. A dark colored shirt would "breathe" a little bit better, as some people put it.

The little swirl on the boy's ankle is awesome though.

Oh my, thanks for the info on the white shirts. It seems a shame that they have a whole shirt color most people don't want to wear/design for.

I actually made both red and blue colors around the same time... but I admit I'm a bit bias to red, though all of friends liked the blue one. LOL.

I'll keep the heavy ink thing in mind for other shirts designs though sometimes it seems hard to avoid. Thanks so much for the comment this is all good stuff to hear about.

bassanimation wrote:Thank you so much, odysseyroc ^^. I try but alas, doing these derby's has made me realize that there's a tooooon of talent out there. -sigh It's super hard to manage when there's so many good people out there. Thanks for looking at my site!

Yours is certainly a talent to be reckoned with. Your versatility as an artist is amazing, and I've loved all your designs so far. Keep at it, and I know you'll have your day around here.

bryozoan wrote:[quote postid="3513546" user="linkszelda"]
... so that's why these shirts do so well? because Adder hates them? ...[ /quote]


His negative opinion ends up being a really good barometer of predicting a t-shirt design that will most likley get printed.

This has nothing to do with the sheer number of kdeuce/fablefire/ramy/seki prints that have had both the generic appeal that often win derbies and that adder will, without fail, criticize. Correlation doesn't always equate to cause.

Yeah, yeah, your observations about vote counts and all that. I have major doubts about your silent majority, frankly, and your comments that adder has horrible taste (when he supports many a talented artist) and the notion that he's scared off the site's talent (if you named names, I'd reconsider my stance) make me question your credibility.

DianaSprinkle wrote:
I'll keep the heavy ink thing in mind for other shirts designs though sometimes it seems hard to avoid. Thanks so much for the comment this is all good stuff to hear about.

I understand about lots of ink being hard to avoid. The only shirt I personally have a problem with the ink on is my Console General, and that's just because of the vertical line that runs down the middle of it (it gets all wavy when stretched across my womanly chest). But it's a complaint I've seen week after week.

The white shirts aren't as see-through as some people make them out to be, but I do use caution with the undergarments I wear with my one white shirt just to be safe. :P if you don't wear them snug they're okay, but I ... wear them snug! lol.

sonny2009 wrote:I've been enjoying your work so far, but this entry seems to be one part commentary on another "artist's" design this week, and one part unnecessary pander.

About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.

sittle wrote:

Animation wise.. where did you train..?

I went to the Art Institute, nothing fancy or awesome. But I had the best time of my life there!

bethlehemstarr wrote:So this made my 4 year old son very angry at me.
He asked why there was a monster in a pumpkin. I told him that it was supposed to be a cat. Now he isn't talking to me.

Big-eyed orange pumpkin cats: causing familial strife since 2009.

Awesome.

jmmbell1987 wrote:Yeah, I agree that the colors really pop nicely. And I have sneaking suspicion that there's parody still lurking in the design somewhere.

I drew the top part of this picture originally with a pumpkin coming out, and a knife laying next to the head. I did this with my friends (one of who is also here in the derby, twice over) while we watched movies and chuckled over the derby. I would tell you what my friend drew (hysterical), but she decided to submit it elsewhere ^^;.

This cat was meant to be parody ^^;. I wanted to see if shiny-desu really does get attention, or if it was just related to Seki herself. I fully do not think this cat will make it to the fog, so no worries ^^. It was just me being a tad bit of a jerk. I feel sort of bad now, but dam...I just can't seem to hit this crowd right, so I took a shot.

bassanimation wrote:About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.

I didn't intend to force you to explain yourself, and I apologize if that was the case. Frankly, even if you did "design it to win", it's a rock solid design, one that works as parody for those who want it that way, and as cute for those who want it that way.

Drakxxx wrote:Yours is certainly a talent to be reckoned with. Your versatility as an artist is amazing, and I've loved all your designs so far. Keep at it, and I know you'll have your day around here.

Thanks Drakxxx, I hope my derby dream comes true..someday! Sooooommmeeedaaaayyy...

Re: Born To Raise Hell

cute, but I don't see the Halloween angle. That's a nod to Ghost Rider, surely, but not a Halloween design.

Josephus wrote:You just can't both pet the kitty AND carve the pumpkin. You have to pick one or the other.

What if you pet the kitty while it carves the pumpkin?

tonsoklay wrote:This has to be the most discussed and bitched about derby submission of all time, correct me if im wrong?

Because it's the most blatant middle finger that anyone has given the woot rule/rejectionator I've seen since I've been here.

bassanimation wrote:About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.

There is pandering, and there is gross, disgusting, makes me want to claw my eyeballs out in despair pandering. You *may* be guilty of the former- but not the latter.
In my [not so] humble estimation, there is absolutely nothing wrong with desiring to win. Not only is there nothing wrong with desiring to win- this desire should be encouraged.
In winning- there is absolutely nothing wrong with desiring to receive some sort of monetary reward. There is nothing wrong with taking this money, and spending it as desired (rent, food, cute shoes, undead kittens, etc).
So- I do believe that I see a certain amount of 'pandering'. You have, over these last derbies, been attempting to find the sort of design that us wooters will vote for in large enough numbers for it to win, and thus earn you money.
There is NOTHING wrong with this.
The issue that *could* arise, sometimes does arise, and has NOT arisen in your work (to date!), is that of pandering to a lowest common denominator. Of removing all of 'you' from your art, and submitting reworked, regurgitated, generic crumb-bunny 'art'.

I happen to enjoy this piece.
It is parody.
It 'panders' to a segment of the shirt.woot community who follows the derbies. However, I see a lot of class, skill and style in this drawing. You attempted to appease the masses, but in that attempt, you did not sell yourself short- nor our taste.
This design would stand well *on it's own* as a shirt- without any knowledge of what has occurred in this derby.
It just gives an extra snicker to those of us who think 'Srsly, ur teh winner now' (I'm not sure if I silly-internet-typed that correctly).

So, thanks.
Thanks for having the guts to worry a little about whether you were pandering. The fact that you cared enough to worry about it- pretty much proves that you weren't.
You do good work. You will print here- sooner I hope, rather then later.

jaideam wrote:I have to say this makes me sad. First off, I like Seki. I more often than not, vote and purchase her submissions. I like her style. But I'm sorry, even though I like this, and normally I would vote and buy - - I can't do it. This just isn't right.

Changing the color of a rejected entry has never been enough for other re-submitted designs before, why is it enough now? It makes me sad it is taking woot so long to decide what to do with this entry. It should be cut and dry.

Good for you.

jmmbell1987 wrote:I didn't intend to force you to explain yourself, and I apologize if that was the case. Frankly, even if you did "design it to win", it's a rock solid design, one that works as parody for those who want it that way, and as cute for those who want it that way.

Yeah, sorry to lay it out there for everyone, but that's the truth of it :\. As fun as the drawing part is...staying up all night to submit isnt fun, but this is as close to a job as I have right now.

Also, first and foremost, this place is a business. We are here to provide a product to sell, so we're kind of 'employees' in a way. When you have a boss, you do what pleases them and their customers. Here, it seems the customer likes the shiny, cute, or fanciful. It's in my nature to try and please the boss/customer, especially if it means my wage is on the line. -sweat-

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

I agree with what the guy above me said. This design has flair, has style and is, mind you, very much more halloween-esque than the curret kitten fiasco. A monster manipulating a kitty to obtain candy, in a very creepy manner? Halloween.
Has my vote for awesomeness and I love the style.

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

Cute, and Halloween-ish. Nice.

Re: Cold Halloween

Poor penguin. He wants to celebrate Halloween, but with all that snow, he's gotta stay in the pumpkin to stay warm.

Re: The unified cat-pumpkin theory

In for three. Brilliant!

Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

Effin awesome. Definitely GMV. Down with Ramby (or whatever his name is)!

bethlehemstarr wrote:
You do good work. You will print here- sooner I hope, rather then later.

Thanks bethlehemstarr..your post was like chicken soup for the art soul . I sincerely appreciate it (virtuahug). These derbys are rough on me, and it is definately discouraging when you do your best, only to founder. It makes one sort of wander to that dark area where they do not dare go on their own (in this case, adorable cats). I'm just trying to find out what it takes to move up here. My last entry that did well was an exploding bear for God's sake. I mean...what does one even do with the knowledge that -that- is what did the best out of all their work? LOL!

KIDA26 wrote:Effin awesome. Definitely GMV. Down with Ramby (or whatever his name is)!

Each designer is here and is standing on their own talent. People may not like Ramby (I'm glad I'm not the only one who spells it like that) but he manages to be successful. As an adult professional...success is good. I just wish more people got a shot around here rather than the same folks. But hey, if I was one of those same folks, I would be very happy.

AdderXYU wrote:Voting with your wallet has everything to do with overdrawing a bank account. Because if you vote with your wallet and it puts a hold on $10 for every design you might want, and then need that money, you're screwed. If a vote means a charge as soon as it wins, and you've somehow brought your bank account down under $10 (or under $30 and all three winners were your votes), you're screwed. If you have 10 shirts you would ABSOLUTELY buy if they print, and they put a hold on your account for $10 for each vote, you have $100 on hold, which is WAY more than anyone is going to spend on a derby. And it can screw you over financially. So either you don't vote for a shirt you WOULD buy, to save yourself from the holds, or you have to be sure you have enough money to match up to your voting habits EVERY WEEK.

Not to mention any number of other situations. Let's say you're on vacation from Saturday to Thursday and don't have access to the internet (and if you do, c'mon, how many of us are gonna be reading woot, right?) You get home and you're excited that the shirt you want won. But then you check the thread to congratulate the artist, and see that it was called as plagiarized back on Sunday, and woot didn't find it rejectable. You don't want to support that sort of behaviour, whether woot OK's it or not. But now you're locked into that vote.

Or more realistically, you vote for X entry for your girlfriend/mother/sister. You plan to buy it as a gift. Hours before the winning shirt goes on sale, this person is talking to you and comments, offhand, "man, the woot shirts sure do suck this week... who picked these four? They're all one worse than the next!" welcome to ten lost dollars!

and let's not forget, some people don't have credit cards, which means any online orders might be done purely through someone else's funds, while they pay them back. Or perhaps they check the derby late and can't get money transferred to paypal in time to vote for what they want to buy. Or perhaps their birthday is coming up, and want to offer it to a family member as a great gift idea.

Point is, there are many, many reasons why locking in a vote would only DETRIMENT the very good, deserving pieces. People would vote less even for shirts they would buy if a vote forced a buy. The rabid fans are the pumpkin-cat buyers. The fact is, that WILL sell to the morons who have no sense of quality control. People WILL still lock in those sales. And seriously, for a well-off enough spite-voter, what's an extra $10 a week? They can easily sell it off at teetrade later.

The only way to level the quality field and boost great work is to make votes a factor, not the only factor. To make quality part of every print decision. People will resent having to pay per vote, and woot will just be swamped with people wishing to cancel orders, or complaining about financial issues stemming from this sort of thing. It is a foolish idea... a bandage over a gaping wound in place of stitches. It's a suggestion made by people who don't understand the underlying flaws. Believe me, horrible scaffolding will just get printed more often if we have a pay-to-vote scheme.

I.... WHAT? LOL. Okay uhh, right. At most, a system they create would only hold $30 maximum at any time. I mean, dude, only 3 shirts can win. And if you can't afford a $30 on your bank account, then watching the films are you doing trying to shop for anything? Plus, as long as the derby isn't over, they can definitely un-vote.

Just because it's different doesn't mean it's not a bad idea. :\ There's problems with ANY system.

And I dunno why I'm even replying. XD Your perspective is very negative. Relax some, man. I know you enjoy arguing, but really, just relax. :3

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=36271]the Cryptid Crew in

I don't need any reference, this is just plainly great, as simple as that. A buy for me.