Shirt.Woot

Re: various volumes

This is very very cool.

Face it, the contest format is fun and interesting and creative and cool, but ultimately the objective is to sell shirts. Look at the voting button - it's a (loose) commitment to purchase. If more people buy a particular shirt design, then Woot! makes a greater profit. I reckon a six-year-old could comprehend that concept. Or any of the rules, really. Let's see, there's Don't Copy, No Letters, 6 Colors or Less, No Video Games, Something to do With the Letter "V"... anything else?

Secondly, I make it a point to never look at the design titles before voting. Those cute captions will not be presented with the design - I enjoy reading them, but vote (and purchase) based on what will actually be printed on my shirt.

I clicked to this design because I liked it and wanted to get a better look. Only then did I see that it was created by a child. And that apparently a lot of the other designs are submitted by crybabies.

"My kid did it" is a refreshing departure from pirates and bunnies. Put your monkey where your mouth is, people, and grow up.

genericsmith wrote:
I guess everybody should say their shirts were done by children because then they could just submit whatever they want without fear of rejection.

Then do it.

Re: in vino veritas

umm...no text

AdderXYU wrote:I am an expert on "what violins and guitars look like," and in standard terms, while no violin has a center hole, and none I've ever seen has more than four strings and ergo tuning pegs, most acoustic guitars DO have these qualities.

Vegetables have no faces. Turtles don't wear shirts nor do vultures don top hats. Volcanoes don't spew mythical birds.

arparham wrote:Anyone ever think that maybe just putting (6 year-old) in the title was to get votes, and it is in fact, not being done by a six year old? Anyone, Anyone?

Who cares? If so - that's a clever marketing strategy! Do you think Woot! requires literal (or accurate) descriptions? Have you ever read any of their product write-ups?

Re: Vertices

I have to admit, eHalc, I like the cool, almost summer color palette of this. It's simple and yet complex at the same time. This really should have done better.

jupilberry wrote:Even though I am a newcomer to the derby I still have set small stairstep goals that the 6-year-old flew by in her first attempt.

The shirt's votes "flew by" yours because more people want to buy it. That's how the game works - the design with the most votes wins.

xtyw wrote:Vegetables have no faces. Turtles don't wear shirts nor do vultures don top hats. Volcanoes don't spew mythical birds.

There is a distinct difference between altering something for comedic/artistic effect and labeling something as something else. A turtle with a shirt is still recognizably a turtle. Anyone who has seen both a violin and a guitar cannot deny that this looks more like a guitar than a violin. That is a problem. It does not follow the theme.

And there are going to be people who vote for this simply because it was done by a child. If there were not, why would the submitter include the child's age in the first place? Why not just leave it off entirely, if she expected to get plenty of votes without it? She could have simply put it in the first comment, instead of including it in the caption. No. The point of the age is to get people's attention.

And there are plenty of people who have bought PLENTY of shirts who are not in favor of this design. The point of these comment threads is to let people express their opinions. I find your argument ironic since the submitter of this design has apparently not purchased a shirt yet. Maybe people with white boxes haven't found one that they think is worth purchasing, because they have high standards. It doesn't mean they are mindless idiots.

Re: A Viceroy's Visit (resub)

A good design. Too child themed for me to buy but it is what it is.

xtyw wrote:Then do it.

Does voting for a design for a reason OTHER than the design itself not seem immoral at all to you?

Re: Violin Music (by pwrpufgrl - age 6)

Earlysong: "Immoral"? Really? What harm would come to the world at large if I voted for a T-shirt I didn't like? (Not that I would do that if I could, but what harm would come?)

I like to think I'm not the nicest of nicies. (Niceies? Whatever.) And yet, I kind of like the design. It's cute and it's abstract (hence having more strings than a violin might actually need or a bridge that's round instead of rectangular). (And it doesn't have any bunnies, which is a plus.)
Would I wear this shirt? Maybe. Probably, if I could afford to spend money on T-shirts right now. Maybe if I win a woot derby I can afford to buy one. ;-)
If I could vote, I would ... probably vote for my own design, but that's just me. I certainly wouldn't vote for a T-shirt because a 6-year-old designed it. Can you imagine being in the gym, someone asks where you got the T-shirt and you tell them, "Some 6-year-old kid made it"? But I could easily tell someone, "I think it looks interesting and I like music."

I have no idea whether a child drew this or not, but I can guarantee a 6-year-old could have. A child could easily draw something like this using a paint program (which can draw shapes easily) and then save it. If a parent then loaded it into a more sophisticated program to separate colors and put it into the required formats, it was still drawn by a 6-year-old. Of course, since the rules don't say a drawing has to be done by a 6-year-old, who cares? It's not like every cell carrier really has the biggest 3-G network or every soap really leaves you cleaner than all the others.

As to this getting more votes than my drawing did? Well, the fact that it's probably better than mine may be coloring my judgment, but I was thrilled when my (first) design got more than one.

Woot *is* running a fair contest as long as the design that gets the most votes wins. And let's not forget that the purpose of the contest is to choose a shirt that woot will sell. It's in woot's best interest to let the voting fall where it may, because when people vote for a shirt they would buy, that *is* how they will make money.

Re: Venn Vittles

Simpsons did it

Re: Venn Vittles

Snausome!

JadenKale wrote:I have to admit, eHalc, I like the cool, almost summer color palette of this. It's simple and yet complex at the same time. This really should have done better.

ibid.

Hammylink wrote:umm...no text

hmm... photo

TheyKilledKenny wrote:Great start... I recommend you view...

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3707124

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3705972

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3708437

these are some discussions I recently had with other new artists...

Thanks, I appreciate it the input... and there was a whole post with derby do's and don'ts that I read a while back before I had time to start designing, and I cant seem to find it now... It had links on how to get wrinkles on your shirt comp, and was really in depth with questions like that... but again thank you for these links!

redpandacase wrote:I want your shirt so badly

Thank you, redpandacase

And thank you TIMES INFINITY to everyone who voted on this and kept me in the fog! it's my first fog finish and I obviously couldn't have gotten there without the support of friends and strangers alike. Thank you thank you thank you. <3

K4ofDoom wrote:Even if a design like this has been done a million times, I find it visually appealing and do not currently own a shirt with a butterfly on it, so I would buy this.

I feel the same way, really. I would buy one, but at the same time, I hope some more original works win over this.

Re: Villainous Victorian Velociraptor

Wow, this is an amazing design!

Ooh, missed the chance to vote for this, but hope it prints so I can get one! Nice-looking design, joke not too obvious but something you don't have to explain to people either. (Well, most people.)

I like the design and the way the raptor was colored, but the idea seems way to similar to this shirt (which I already have):

The Walrus & The High Wheeler

dmaz wrote:Very good point. I suppose I was a bit hasty there. And I shouldn't complain when PP always delivers quality material. I guess I just subconsciously really wanna see an underdog come through with a first place derby win, haha.

No worries. I feel you, for sure. I love to see new people win as well. But, if someone consistently delivers good or clever or pretty designs that people want, then they will consistently win. Does it mean their designs are the only ones that deserve to print? No, definately not. But this system only allows for 3 spots.

I was simply trying to explain a few things in the thread here. I'm sorry it got so gross, as I heard a lot of comments were deleted. I was only trying to point out some things about the shirt that I think people were missing that did indeed tie it to the theme. I realize for some it was a real stretch, but the derby write-up made this a valid entry.

Also, in response to a portion of deleted thread, I own two bunny shirts . I purchased both of them very recently. I do not have a collection of them. I own one from TeeFury and Walz's Abracablargh. So yeah, I'm not a bunny shirt fanatic, just in case some people wanted to know. :p

Re: Go Van Gogh Van!

Awesome!

bassanimation wrote:Also, this is directly from the derby write-up:

"Flip through your dictionary until you find one or more promising images or concepts that start with V, then go to town."

Read closely. This line in the derby write-up means this design is on theme. Vague is a concept beginning with the letter V. The rabbit's clearly illustrated foggy (read: vague) memories make this design very well tied to the title, and thus, the theme.

Okay okay. I just felt like arguing to be honest. XD

bassanimation wrote:No worries. I feel you, for sure. I love to see new people win as well. But, if someone consistently delivers good or clever or pretty designs that people want, then they will consistently win. Does it mean their designs are the only ones that deserve to print? No, definately not. But this system only allows for 3 spots.

I was simply trying to explain a few things in the thread here. I'm sorry it got so gross, as I heard a lot of comments were deleted. I was only trying to point out some things about the shirt that I think people were missing that did indeed tie it to the theme. I realize for some it was a real stretch, but the derby write-up made this a valid entry.

Also, in response to a portion of deleted thread, I own two bunny shirts . I purchased both of them very recently. I do not have a collection of them. I own one from TeeFury and Walz's Abracablargh. So yeah, I'm not a bunny shirt fanatic, just in case some people wanted to know. :p

To be honest, with the expanded fog, I think Woot should add another placing, an editor's choice from the remaining 6 fogged entries. This will give both extra meaning to being in the fog, as well as an additional chance for some well-liked but not top-of-the-charts designs.

Re: Villainous Victorian Velociraptor

nice I will buy it
by the way, who decide in this site who is winning the first place?

Re: Venn Vittles

Love it!

Re: Vulpes Victoriana

I really enjoy this shirt. You have a vote from me. Your research and cleverness is awesome. And, yes, Victorian clothing is cool.

TobiasAmaranth wrote:To be honest, with the expanded fog, I think Woot should add another placing, an editor's choice from the remaining 6 fogged entries. This will give both extra meaning to being in the fog, as well as an additional chance for some well-liked but not top-of-the-charts designs.

If woot ever cuts a daily from their rotation for the sake of one more derby shirt... seriously, that'd be a horrible, horrible thing.

The expanded fog SHOULD be used for editorial choices, but they should be taken during the allotted derby days. Wooters have proven time and again they cannot be trusted. Woot should prove time and again that with that broken trust comes consequences.

sasham62 wrote:Earlysong: "Immoral"? Really? What harm would come to the world at large if I voted for a T-shirt I didn't like? (Not that I would do that if I could, but what harm would come?)

The harm is that you are denying better work a payout. That IS INDEED IMMORAL if you are instead giving the payout to your brother, cousin, or some six year old. This is why most sweepstakes promotions deny employees and family from winning. This is why payola and nepotism are looked down upon. If you are rewarding people for WHO THEY ARE and not WHAT THEY DO, you are disrespectful and if not immoral, certainly a scumbag.

Woot *is* running a fair contest as long as the design that gets the most votes wins. And let's not forget that the purpose of the contest is to choose a shirt that woot will sell. It's in woot's best interest to let the voting fall where it may, because when people vote for a shirt they would buy, that *is* how they will make money.

Nothing says any of these votes are "fair," though.

1000 people could vote, and not a one could buy. Sure, the shirt could still sell out, because again, even Nevermore has barely scratched 1% of woot's customer base. ANY shirt has the potential to sell out if the right people check in at the right time. But nothing says it was fair. Perhaps fourth would have sold out faster, and sold more. Doubletake derbies have CONSISTENTLY proven this. At least once a doubletake, some EC outsells a voted-in print. In august, five shirts outsold third place, and at least three outsold second. Zombie Vampire Whatever from Space not only outsold second and third from the last do-over, but second and third from its original derby. In woot's second do-over, there were two weeks of designs. Half of them outsold second place, and designs selected with under 100 votes came within 100 votes of third place.

The FACT (which is proven over and over as much as you'd like to research) is that votes and sales are two different things. Woot should not just be about sales. That is base and pathetic. But even if they were, you are flat out wrong to presume voters are doing any better choosing from the derby than woot could. And if your idea of FAIR is what makes the most money (as opposed to what follows rules or puts in appropriate care and effort and thought and creativity, or wins based on quality and not external popularity boosting... who thinks that's fair???) then it is NOT fair to allow votes to be the sole dictator of what prints.

JadenKale wrote:The only thing I was trying to note was that when you come up with a design, check to see if others have already come up with a similar piece. Woot regularly rejects pieces for being too similar to designs out on the market or that are too similar to designs by well known artists. Don't take insult with the fact that I linked directly to the shirt that's for sale. FlyingMouse365 has been around for far longer than you on the shirt competition circuit and he's has many pieces printed by threadless.com. Linking to it just shows it's both an unoriginal design, for the purpose of this derby, and it is actively on sale at another site.

It is something commonly seen with new submitters to the derby. Especially if they haven't been around long enough to see how both the derby and the rejectionator works.

I understand that you know where this link is off the top of your head and are posting here to be demonstrate. But then you type this:

"when you come up with a design, check to see if others have already come up with a similar piece"

As far as I know, there is no official "list of sites" that must be checked by me before I submit a design.

And I don't think those designs are exactly similar -- mine uses a different color scheme, a different pose and a completely different choice of background use. The only similarity is that they both opt to use the same iconic image but give it two different interpretations.

I understand what you're saying, that I'm a n00b (I am) and that you've seen something like this image before.

That's all great and well, but you can't seriously expect me to know that shirt exists and check the entire Internet's T-shirt catalog before I submit a design. That's just ludicrous.

sasham62 wrote:Earlysong: "Immoral"? Really? What harm would come to the world at large if I voted for a T-shirt I didn't like? (Not that I would do that if I could, but what harm would come?)

Just because it doesn't affect "the world at large" doesn't mean it's okay. I mean, very little affects the "world at large," and I'd be surprised if a t-shirt site did at all. I do drugs and lie about it. Just because it doesn't affect 6 billion other people doesn't make it okay. Stealing your wallet wouldn't affect the world at large, but you wouldn't like it, would you? Depriving artists who actually know what they're doing, or at least stick to the prompt, of $1000 just because a bunch of saps voted for something because it has "age 6" tacked onto it, is immoral.

Of course, if all of these votes really came from people who like the design, then it's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I just find that highly unlikely. Then again, I've never been a fan of abstract art.

amberkillinger wrote: ...The big V, knowing my friends at least, could also in interpreted as a big arrow.... Just putting that out there...

That was my first thought too, unfortunately. The placement of the arrow, I mean V, isn't a good choice.

damnhaole wrote:I understand that you know where this link is off the top of your head and are posting here to be demonstrate. But then you type this:

"when you come up with a design, check to see if others have already come up with a similar piece"

As far as I know, there is no official "list of sites" that must be checked by me before I submit a design.

And I don't think those designs are exactly similar -- mine uses a different color scheme, a different pose and a completely different choice of background use. The only similarity is that they both opt to use the same iconic image but give it two different interpretations.

I understand what you're saying, that I'm a n00b (I am) and that you've seen something like this image before.

That's all great and well, but you can't seriously expect me to know that shirt exists and check the entire Internet's T-shirt catalog before I submit a design. That's just ludicrous.

They've rejected for anything that you can find from any major site. You referenced a famous photo! There isn't much different you could do and retain the idea. And difference in color is not enough to say the concept is so different. (they've rejected for less, ask any of the other artists who have been rejected for less). Secondly, FlyingMouse originally had his up for voting at Threadless (which is now at his site, and why I was able to link it). Seeing that DesignByHumans and Threadless are two of the biggest shirt sites on the net, and many of us compete and vote at all of them, we've seen a lot more than you. You may be noobish, but that doesn't mean you aren't held to the same rules (both spoken and underlying rules that we've seen used in the past).

Perhaps you will want to look at these links:
*Derby Rules* (Unofficial)
Designing for the Derby
Tips for New Designers

Re: various volumes

being a chemist i would have loved this shirt to have won.

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=38505]Veggie Vengence (Derby

Hilarious idea, but I think it would have done better if you knew how to spell "vengeance" correctly.

someevilgirl wrote:Love it, but wish the image was smaller on the shirt. Does no one design shirts for girls on woot? :P
Either way, gmv.

I'd say most designs are for girls if you go by content. You see all those butterflies!?

karamon101 wrote:I really enjoy this shirt. You have a vote from me. Your research and cleverness is awesome. And, yes, Victorian clothing is cool.

Ugh; I didn't get a chance to vote this week. Love this shirt; I don't know why, but there's something almost Gorey-esque to it (not so much in the drawing style, but in the drollness of the poses, I guess. Or maybe I'm just over-thinking it).

Here's hoping it prints. And I never would have thought of any kind of fetish upon seeing it. (I do wish the woot rules didn't disallow your putting the Latin names beneath the various foxes--that would be icing, IMO. :D).

this shirt is awesome!! i really hope it gets printed!!! it would be amazing!!