sonny2009 wrote:Art is very subjective as we all know, and not everyone has to draw like Robbie Lee or Drak to execute an effective art piece.
The beauty of this design is pretty much synonymous with the feeling I get from most of Edgar's submissions around here. The effective art lies in the child like whimsy, the bizarre concept, and in this designs case, the blunt execution.
That is just my opinion.
kylemittskus wrote:I think you're over complicating the argument that Jimmbell made (which may too have been an over complication). What he is, and a lot of us are, saying is not that the drawing is the most amazing ever. However, first of all, to a large extent, that's the point and the aesthetic (see artists like Gorey). Also, there is more to art than mere drawing skills. Edgar's pieces, this one included, are very original and sublime.
albinoapple wrote:Well I don't think you're considering that there's more to art than technicalities. While the technical difficulty isn't high, I don't think that should detract from the art at all.
I take it you don't like folk art either? ;P
i agree with all of you, there is more to art than the technicalities, and i already said i think the idea is clever (which is what i didnt understand why jimmbell kept brining up, i never said the idea sucked, i said i think the execution gets lemon juice in the eye)
art needs both. you cant have a good idea/originality and a poor execution, or a bad idea/originiality and good execution.
jmmbell1987 wrote:Apparently the idea behind the creation is completely insignificant, or at least takes a back seat to someone else being able to copy said idea with more pizazz.
so this too, i dont understand why you post. i never said the idea behind the creation is insignificant, i said the execution of it is also significant.
kylemittskus wrote:I would have given the Mona Lisa an awesome necklace and some earrings and...
the mona lisa, which has no idea behind it at all pretty much (its a portrait...), and is simply good execution by an otherwise famous and talented artist. kind of arguing against yourself here, if youre saying execution shouldnt be very important.
AdderXYU wrote:Guys, consider the source. If you ever wonder why someone can't wrap their head around what makes interesting work, obscure and difficult concepts, or anything "imperfect" still be able to be art, consider what sort of things the commenter PRAISES. In all cases, you will find that the person is simply unequipped for anything more complex than a ham sandwich. Processed ham, of course, not ham straight off the bone, or cured european hams.
never said this wasnt art either. i said it was a poorly made drawing that doesnt look good, and therefore doesnt make a good t-shirt. doesnt mean its not art, i will even call your stuff art. you are the one that has repeatedly claimed ramy/seki stuff isnt art. funny isnt it?
kylemittskus wrote:Shouldn't be ironic at all. The other things are intent, affect (affective fallacy in literature, but since I'm not an art major, I'm ok with it), creativity, originality, and over-all "feel" of a piece. Every single Edgar shirt, even though I don't like all of them, achieve every one of these things.
I also happen to like his drawing style and don't think anyone can do it. I sure as hell couldn't.
but what is ironic is when someone critisizes chibi art for being too bad, even though what the same person has on the internets elsewhere is infinitely times worse.
it is also ironic when that same person has a definition of irony in his signature, and then goes against it by continuously suggesting the rules to be altered to exclude chibi and other cuteness from derbies, just so those artists cant do what they do.
furthermore, it is ironic when some people spend ages typing up essays on why ramy gets lemon juice in the eye as a person, how he cheats, how he commits all the sins on a daily basis, and only wants money, when one of the fundamental prinicples of art is that who made it shouldnt matter.
and i do think it was ironic that you said it too, considering how many times you criticise art for the way it looks and the way it is drawn(chibi cartoon), even though it far from always lacks originality in concept, and always gives off a feeling of cuteness and stuff like no other art piece can.
overall, there is a lot of irony on woot.