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dontwantaname


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AdderXYU wrote:causing destruction

It's a pretty specific concept. To say they're NOTHING ALIKE when the major themes are the same is ridiculous.

And that doesn't even touch on the fact that the artwork is incredibly bland, while the coloring will make this completely unreadable on asphalt.



Sometimes when people report a shirt as plagiarized , they are almost exactly the same.

If someone said draw a panda in a war situation, you might have come up with these two shirts. But the style is completely different.

The theme is somewhat alike.

As for the artwork, it is a cartoon. It is not pretending to be a great work of art.

Hopefully it will print well.

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mdnorman


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This is a good one. It will be a classic.

animatedbox


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That panda better be careful. If he steps on the Space Needle he might need to see a pandiatrist! (last one. promise.)

jmmbell1987


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ausfest wrote:Good catch, I bet there has never been a visual play on words with pandas and pandemonium prior to the design you're referencing.



Not one easily found on a quick google search with a verifiable date. Even without those parameters, I only found this one. No idea of its age, but it's the only other destructo-panda design I found with that play on words.

jmmbell1987


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mdnorman wrote:This is a good one. It will be a classic.



I think it's the weakest non-Ramyoku winner in a long, long time. And I know this breaks the promise I made like half an hour ago. I apologize.

mdnorman


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And that OTHER pandemonium t-shirt sucks...

wizardlord


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hate this shirt, i was completly disgusted to see that it won

nathanwpyle


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Congrats! This makes me laugh.

chefbooyadee


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I'm surprised to see some St. Louis love goin' on for once in forever.

mdnorman


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I meant to say that BOTH of the OTHER pandemonium t-shirts suck.

nathanwpyle


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Sad the city is so oblivious to its fate.

I bet there's rich folks eating in a fancy dining car
They're probably drinkin' coffee and smoking big cigars.

You know what I mean NO1???

tkosmith32


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As a SF Giants fan, I'm so glad to make this my first woot purchase. otterific.

wotto


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Not my kind of tee but congratulations on winning the Derby.

samitches


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tkosmith32 wrote:As a SF Giants fan, I'm so glad to make this my first woot purchase. otterific.



As an SF Giants fan myself, I wish Panda was crushing LA

robio


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unpcnook wrote:How is it in St. Louis and Seattle at the same time?



Yeah, cuz that is what's unrealistic about a T-shirt featuring kilometer-tall panda going all Godzilla through a cityscape at sundown.

AdderXYU


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mdnorman wrote:I meant to say that BOTH of the OTHER pandemonium t-shirts suck.



Hey, now it's a trifecta!

I'd LOVE to see an educated explanation of how this one is better. Or how better even matters when dealing with an iconic, uber-seller design that has been on sale for years prior to shirt.woot even forming.

eco2geek


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bassanimation wrote:I read somewhere that pandas aren't actually bears, but are more like raccoons. Freaky.



Wikipedia says that they're bears, and like other bears, they have the digestive systems of carnivores, but their diet is 99% bamboo, which doesn't have much protein. So they've had to adapt.

“[Much] like the vegetarian gorilla, the low body surface area to body volume [of the giant panda] is indicative of a lower metabolic rate. This lower metabolic rate and a more sedentary lifestyle allow the giant panda to subsist on nutrient poor resources such as bamboo.”

Well, I think I'll get a bowl of ice cream and some potato chips and watch TV now. :-)

We have met the enemy and he is us. -- Pogo

SXN


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lordjefe wrote:not to rain on anyone's parade but, this seems dangerously close to idea plagiarism.

http://www.threadless.com/product/178/Pandamonium



I have the threadless shirt in my closet, and it was the first thing I thought of; better design too imo

alyssam09


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Haha, this tee reminds me of the design I did for my longboard skateboard.



...except my bear isn't a panda.

solitaint


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There's a very simple explanation for the mix of landmarks: it is set in the future landscape of Macau, after it decides to copy Las Vegas.

Oh, and the panda itself is a robotic casino/hotel turned into a triad enforcement tool.

Duh!

ausfest


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jmmbell1987 wrote:Not one easily found on a quick google search with a verifiable date. Even without those parameters, I only found this one. No idea of its age, but it's the only other destructo-panda design I found with that play on words.



So the early 1980's cartoon called Pandamonium bears no similarity to pandas wreaking havoc? I'm just saying it is quite a stretch to assume that the threadless designer is the first to play on the pun. Other than the word and a panda, there is nothing similar. You obviously don't like the design and are looking to stir up controversy where there clearly is none.

llandar


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AdderXYU wrote:Hey, now it's a trifecta!

I'd LOVE to see an educated explanation of how this one is better. Or how better even matters when dealing with an iconic, uber-seller design that has been on sale for years prior to shirt.woot even forming.



Oh man, they're both SHIRTS, too! Total copycat.

ausfest


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AdderXYU wrote:Hey, now it's a trifecta!

I'd LOVE to see an educated explanation of how this one is better. Or how better even matters when dealing with an iconic, uber-seller design that has been on sale for years prior to shirt.woot even forming.



Being around longer doesn't make something better. That said, what is the criteria for an "educated explanation" in terms of taste? Are you looking for empirical data or some sort of measurable standard by which we can compare/contrast the designs?

followhound


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dravack wrote:Is it just me or do people see more than the panda? like a skull, two people holding hands, etc..



Actually, I saw the derby theme w/o catching the shirt title and thought it was 2 mutant post-apocalypse roaches mating in front of a mushroom cloud.

Twowoot


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lordjefe wrote:not to rain on anyone's parade but, this seems dangerously close to idea plagiarism.

http://www.threadless.com/product/178/Pandamonium

granted the design is different, but the title and theme, same. i mean that shirt's been on threadless.com for well over 6 years!
how did nobody notice?



Pandamonium as a concept of pandas creating mayhem predates the world wide web. Heck, there was even a cartoon in the early 80s called Pandamonium about some pandas that kicked ... things. That Threadless shirt was hardly a completely original idea, but it was a success because it was cute.

To say this artist ripped off the idea of the artist of that Threadless offering is nonsense. And in case I'm not being clear enough in my support of an artist being unfairly attacked, I'll reiterate: The accusations are complete and utter ignorant nonsense. While it is certainly possible that he stumbled across that design and then thought of this one, the much more likely scenario is they both independently got their ideas simply from the word usage already being in the public conscious.

Although this shirt was not my favorite of the Derby, I personally think it is without question, the better design. The comment about the city skyline not being visible from afar is valid, but not of major concern in my view. Plenty of shirts have aspects not visible if you aren't say, in the same room as the wearer or some crazy close proximity like that. The other Pandamonium shirt for example -- I can barely make out that the helicopters are carrying bombs with my head one foot from the screen, from five feet that is going to look like a panda throwing dirt.

Who the heck downgrades a shirt because they wouldn't be able to make out the design from across the street? I think the majority of t-shirts sold have designs that begin to diminish after moving beyond five feet.

I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more pong! (What Christopher Walken should have said in Balls of Fury.)

mandy165


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dravack wrote:Is it just me or do people see more than the panda? like a skull, two people holding hands, etc..

i think im going crazy XD



LOL totally thought it was 2 people holding hands and the one on the right was kneeling down like he was proposing. Whew, glad I'm not the only one, haha and glad my husband looked over my shoulder and pointed out the Panda.

PemberDucky


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I am so so so so happy for my friend no1 right now. He has been designing pandas for the derbies for a long time now, and they were all fantastic, but this one is definitely special.
Congrats, buddy! Now you can get some sleep for the rest of the weekend!

Except I hope he's not actually reading this thread. The shirt threads are filled with acrimony and hostility.

Seriously, what is WRONG with some of you people? I suggest you consider psychiatric intervention and leaving your mother's basement to get a little exercise.
[See? I can do it, too!]
Gratz once again, no1!


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animatedbox


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llandar wrote:Oh man, they're both SHIRTS, too! Total copycat.



::snicker::

AdderXYU


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ausfest wrote:Being around longer doesn't make something better. That said, what is the criteria for an "educated explanation" in terms of taste? Are you looking for empirical data or some sort of measurable standard by which we can compare/contrast the designs?



But it does make it first.

Toss something out there. Give a reason this has any value. Talk about the artwork, not the fact that you want one. What is it about this design that makes it better? I see worse execution, poor color choices (it will never be visible), incredibly questionable decisions (no color in the head?), and nothing which stands out. The other design isn't exactly exciting either, but this has nothing extra to recommend it, plenty of flaws, and was done years after a tee that no one in the shirt biz shouldn't be 100% aware of. Is it a rip-off? Arguable. But it's not original and definitely similar to another very classic, very well known tee, and I don't see any superior design choices made to justify this one existing.

jasneko


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Wow, 1st - congrats No1!


freyes128


quality posts: 0 Private Messages freyes128

just bought this shirt(i was hoping this would be first print)....not bad for my first woot shirt!!

congrats on the print.

Cisco797


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bassanimation wrote:I read somewhere that pandas aren't actually bears, but are more like raccoons. Freaky.



It was originally thought that the Red Panda, not the Giant Panda, was related to the raccoon and not, in fact, a bear, but now scientists think it's a "small mountain bear". The Giant Panda has always been a bear.

inod3


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ambergreen wrote:I don't see the appeal of this design at all. Is there something wrong with me? The fact that this won first place, and I couldn't even imagine it in the fog.

I feel so confused.



I "get" it, assuming it is a shirt about a panda destroying cities. It's not something I'd wear.

The fact it won first place I don't is really relevant. What you vote for and what you buy and wear may be two different things. I might vote for one shirt because I think it's hilarious, in the context of the theme, and only in the context of the theme. I wouldn't wear such a shirt because random people I meet aren't looking at me with a specific shirt theme in mind.

Just one possible explanation. I think it would be kinda cool if instead of voting like you do now, you placed an order to buy the shirt. If your shirt wins the order is processed and you get the shirt. This would turn the shirt that wins the vote the same shirt people want to wear.

animatedbox


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inod3 wrote:I "get" it, assuming it is a shirt about a panda destroying cities. It's not something I'd wear.

The fact it won first place I don't is really relevant. What you vote for and what you buy and wear may be two different things. I might vote for one shirt because I think it's hilarious, in the context of the theme, and only in the context of the theme. I wouldn't wear such a shirt because random people I meet aren't looking at me with a specific shirt theme in mind.

Just one possible explanation. I think it would be kinda cool if instead of voting like you do now, you placed an order to buy the shirt. If your shirt wins the order is processed and you get the shirt. This would turn the shirt that wins the vote the same shirt people want to wear.



That's actually not a bad idea.

Twowoot


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AdderXYU wrote:But it does make it first.

First t-shirt perhaps, but not the first of that general concept.


AdderXYU wrote:Toss something out there. Give a reason this has any value. Talk about the artwork,

Fair enough, although it is certainly far easier to off-handedly say, "This shirt has no artistic merit." than to quantify the specific reasons why you prefer one piece of art over another. In fact, some say you shouldn't even try as that deconstruction is contrary to the point of art in the first place. You're supposed to just look at it and let it speak to you. "Hi, I'm a shirt."

But since you asked...I think this one has a good use of negative space in the creation of the city. The cobbled together skyline represents at least four cities I see immediately (Seattle, St. Louis, San Francisco, and Chicago), probably more -- that not only makes it have a connection to a broader segment of society in terms of identifying a town being crushed, but also broadens the concept to indicate a more global destruction going on. And then, at the same time, the concept is softened to humour with not just a farcical giant panda doing the destroying, but an obviously cuddly, big-headed stuffed animal child's toy.

The coloration gives a soft, at-dusk feel to the image which possibly makes it seem more dreamlike. I will agree that the color choice might also backfire and render the shirt difficult to make out -- this could go either way and will depend on the exact inks and shirt fabric. My guess is that it will work fine.

I'm not thrilled with the watercolor type painting style used, but it was clearly the artist's intent. I would have preferred a more cleanly executed line drawing for the graphic art parts, but that is not a condemnation of the artist's choice.

I'm no t-shirt art history professor, but there's my quick analysis.

Like I said earlier, not my personal favorite, but I think it was a well executed, creative concept, and I have no problem with this shirt being declared the winner of the derby.

I got a fever, and the only prescription...is more pong! (What Christopher Walken should have said in Balls of Fury.)

eco2geek


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lostnightsoul


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HOWARD JONES! I'm so giddy.

xxchange


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Oh, it's a panda! That's a cool idea!

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indihar


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OK...

Out of NINE possible prints...there are only THREE that I have absolutely NO interest in buying.

Anybody want to take bets on which 3 will get printed?

(Is being cynical better than being apathetic?)



LOL...one down...two to go...

jublin


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A quick and simple GOOGLE search of "Pandamonium" would have brought up the threadless design and should have been enough to prevent the artist from creating another tee with the same concept.

It's smart to do a little research when designing a tee (especially ones heavily based on a concept) to find out if your idea has been done before. If it has... then why do it again? Just for money? :/

But regardless, woot is a derby and it's tough to crack the number one spot so congrats nonetheless.