megsck


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Re: Survival Skills



it's good to be the king =)

megsck


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Re: The Birth of Venus of Willendorf



nooooo! back in the fog you! *pushes* whew, shes heavy. >_<

wugsby


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Re: The Birth of Venus of Willendorf



Very clever! I'd buy it in a heartbeat. gj, GMV

absoloote0


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Re: Leonardo DinoVinci



My second entry. Would love some feedback on how to make things better or any other suggestions. Thanks for looking/voting in advance

AdderXYU


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beaterbar wrote:On first read, this quote seemed ambiguous to me, and still slightly does. If he miscalculated, he was aware of their existence, and if he was aware of their existence then there was either tacit or real ascent to their use. I don't feel like sitting around and reading about Bill Watterson's feelings, which should be clear from my point about how in my opinion the calvin pissing on things works are a bit of a travesty of justice if he didn't approve of them.

"For starters, I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo. . . . Actually, I wasn't against all merchandising when I started the strip, but each product I considered seemed to violate the spirit of the strip, contradict its message, and take me away from the work I loved. If my syndicate had let it go at that, the decision would have taken maybe 30 seconds of my life."

On a second read, however, it seems evident that one could use Watterson's own words to make a parody case for the pissing logos. If they are contradictory to the spirit, then they aren't copies, replicas, or homages, and if they aren't any of those there isn't much left for them to be but parodies. The 'contrary to spirit' argument was exactly what angered coolio about wierd al's parody of 'gangster's paradise' and is precisely why it was a parody.



However, Weird Al also asks permission before parodying work. Presumably he got said permission from the people who, at the root, owned coolio's song. Which wasn't coolio. Coolio rapped over it. The song wasn't his.

Anyway, you're forcing more meaning that doesn't exist into a quote when there is a far more clear one:

"And making the whole issue even more absurd, when I didn't license, bootleg 'Calvin and Hobbes' merchandise sprung up to feed the demand. Mall stores openly sold T-shirts with drawings illegally lifted from my books, and obscene or drug-related shirts were rife on college campuses. Only thieves and vandals have made money on 'Calvin and Hobbes' merchandise."



Which says, simply, that if you are making money off of merchandise based off Calvin and Hobbes, you are, to the eyes of Mr. Watterson (and hopefully the eyes of the world) a thief and/or a vandal.

Illegal. Obscene. I'd say that well covers people using calvin to piss on things. Parody, you'll note, is a defense, not a rule. You can scream parody all night long, but it does not mean you won't get sued successfully.

In the case of the woot design, there is no parody. I could totally picture Calvin sneaking up on Hobbes. I could totally picture Hobbes "eating" Calvin to shut him up. I picture his mouth puffy, calvin shouting inside it, and hobbes just looking nonchalantly saying something about how tigers are superior. There's nothing about the piece that couldn't be in an anthology, INCLUDING the cave drawing style. Watterson ALWAYS worked with imagination and styles that fit it. In the case of the PissCalvins, it could easily be seen as offensive, obscene, and by existing they imply that Watterson is supporting that nonsense. Parody would be the defense, but it would likely mean nothing if someone could prove that the work was too similar, and potentially clouded the judgment of people who would see Calvin and Hobbes as much more lewd and obscene than it ever was. which would be an easy prove, really.

This goes beyond parody, though. If you are an artist, and you are using work that another artist does not desire you to use, what does that say about who you are as a person?

If my friend came over my house and said "man, I'm thirsty," and I said "help yourself. Just don't touch the champagne." Would I be justified in being angry if he popped that cork? Would he be a total jerk if he did? Of course. But if I said that I didn't want the champagne touched because I was saving it to celebrate my girlfriend getting a huge promotion the other day, and he STILL used it? That guy is a total tool, and I'd be justified in kicking him out of my house, right? Watterson says, flat out, that he doesn't want his work licensed FOR HIMSELF, let alone anyone else's profit. He says that no one has legally profited off Calvin and Hobbes (outside, obviously, from the books). He insists that he feels the work would be cheapened if it was sold in some other form. Read the other quotes in the area where you got the one you like from. It's pretty clear. He's saying "it means a lot to me to keep this pure." Ramy is saying "who cares?" There is only one conclusion you can draw from that.

be10der2me


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Re: i could do better



I really like this! Maybe it is the red and white capsules on green? Campbell's soup maybe? MMM GOOD!

synshyn


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megsck wrote:oh no, not mr. soda! he had such a FULL life! >_<

this is great diana! love the colors and the texture. i think the only thing i would want to add is a small puddle under the soda because hes leaking out all of his precious life soda on the ground ;)



I agree with the comment on the puddle. Love the design regardless - hoping it prints!

Darquis


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AdderXYU wrote:
However, Weird Al also asks permission before parodying work. Presumably he got said permission from the people who, at the root, owned coolio's song. Which wasn't coolio. Coolio rapped over it. The song wasn't his.



A Stevie Wonder track was sampled (Pastime Paradise I think) to make the Coolio song (there may have been more than that, I just know of that) and then Weird Al was told by his record label that Coolio had given permission. It's not clear if this is true and Coolio changed his mind or the label made it up.

Now here's where things get interesting. Weird Al wrote Coolio an apology. Weird Al pays Coolio royalties when his song makes money. Weird Al now communicates with artists directly in securing their permission for parodies.

I don't think anyone at woot has Bill Watterson's permission for a parody.

I don't think anyone at woot is paying Bill Watterson royalties if this prints. (Unless broccoli is involved)

Siax


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Re: Original Knight



I was really stuck on what I was going to do.....even had another inspirational by Don Hertzfeldt i was gonna do (prehistoric monkeys chasing the banana) but I didn't feel that one was enough parody to pass.... so I went with this.

Who ever said cavemen didn't fight dragons?

Josephus


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AdderXYU wrote:If you read ANY of the watterson quotes, you'd know he NEVER LICENSED C+H FOR ANYTHING, other than the authorized comic collections you can buy in bookstores. That would include pissing on a ford logo. Seriously? That wasn't obvious?



I'm pretty sure he licensed a limited edition T-shirt for some sort of charity or book store event early on. Seems like there were about 100 of them made.



Oh, and this shirt? no way anyone being intellectually honest with themselves would suggest this is intended to evoke ANYTHING other than Calvin and Hobbes. Regardless of the copyright law, it offends for any 'artist' to consider using Bill Watterson's characters even in a parody.

edit: and no, I don't see any parody here, just another example of Hobbes tackling Calvin with predictable result.

Jeje3325


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Re: Crossbones



Dog food

endangeredomega


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Josephus wrote:I'm pretty sure he licensed a limited edition T-shirt for some sort of charity or book store event early on. Seems like there were about 100 of them made.



Oh, and this shirt? no way anyone being intellectually honest with themselves would suggest this is intended to evoke ANYTHING other than Calvin and Hobbes. Regardless of the copyright law, it offends for any 'artist' to consider using Bill Watterson's characters even in a parody.

edit: and no, I don't see any parody here, just another example of Hobbes tackling Calvin with predictable result.




He licensed ONE shirt in the early 90s for a MOMA traveling exhibition on the art of comics. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe proceeds from the sales went to benefit the museum.

kenney9226


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Re: The Pucker King



Seriously, people, even I am not voting for this one. Can we all work together to make this the pucker with zero votes?

HalfWheat


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Re: Sabertooth



Honestly, I was never a big fan of C&H, mostly because it didn't run in the paper where I lived when it was running, so I never had a lot of exposure to it. But as soon as I saw the thumbnail, I knew it was supposed to be C&H. If it's that obvious to me, then it's pretty darned obvious.

If I ruled Woot, I would make a single rule: If you didn't create it, you can't use it. No parodies, homages, photos, memes...nothing. Nada. The exception would be derbies that specifically allowed it. In the style of DaVinci, for example.

I'm getting tired of seeing all the references winning just because the reference is there, rather than because the reference was done well. I'd happily reject every reference just to not have to read one more post about what's parody and what isn't.

sTyLeS


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Do you guys realize that you're all adding fuel to the fire?
There are some of those on here who simply vote up ramy's submissions just so they can see the drama that unfolds. They have no intention of buying, they just like all of the poo that gets flung back and forth.
Search back through old derbies and you'll see evidence of this. Here's just one example: http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3415115&PageIndex=21&ReplyCount=1899#post3417492

So may I suggest if you have issues with a submission, then post it...once. Use the tattle link, and send an email to the admins if you feel so inclined. But to continue back and forth only serves to produce coverage for the submission. Drama sells. So knock it off. Or something like that.

fishbiscuit5


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Re: Prehistoric Snacks



I love this! Clever idea and well executed.

artulo


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Re: Imagination maybe



Really well done, I like all the little pictographs you've made. +1

fishbiscuit5


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Re: Paleolithic Pipsqueak



Wonderful re-do of an already amazing design!

endangeredomega


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HalfWheat wrote:Honestly, I was never a big fan of C&H, mostly because it didn't run in the paper where I lived when it was running, so I never had a lot of exposure to it. But as soon as I saw the thumbnail, I knew it was supposed to be C&H. If it's that obvious to me, then it's pretty darned obvious.

If I ruled Woot, I would make a single rule: If you didn't create it, you can't use it. No parodies, homages, photos, memes...nothing. Nada. The exception would be derbies that specifically allowed it. In the style of DaVinci, for example.

I'm getting tired of seeing all the references winning just because the reference is there, rather than because the reference was done well. I'd happily reject every reference just to not have to read one more post about what's parody and what isn't.




A-bloody men to that.

walmazan


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Re: i could do better



hahahaha! super good! I love it!

walmazan


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Re: Self-Portrait





otterific second sub! So funny! looking forward for see your work!

walmazan


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Re: Clan of the Cavebots



More votes, more votes!!!! please!

walmazan


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Re: I Hate Snakes



Congrats in your bamboo tablet! I can see you are enjoy it! great work!

walmazan


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Re: Generations



I love it, and nice use of the color! so enjoyable!

walmazan


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Re: Generations



and +1

parrotworks


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walmazan wrote:hahahaha! super good! I love it!



Thanks Walmazan. Did you mean souper?

AdderXYU


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sTyLeS wrote:Do you guys realize that you're all adding fuel to the fire?
There are some of those on here who simply vote up ramy's submissions just so they can see the drama that unfolds. They have no intention of buying, they just like all of the poo that gets flung back and forth.
Search back through old derbies and you'll see evidence of this. Here's just one example: http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3415115&PageIndex=21&ReplyCount=1899#post3417492

So may I suggest if you have issues with a submission, then post it...once. Use the tattle link, and send an email to the admins if you feel so inclined. But to continue back and forth only serves to produce coverage for the submission. Drama sells. So knock it off. Or something like that.



Nothing people don't already know.

It actually helps the cause, though. Woot is never going to do anything. They don't care. But every time someone votes for Ramy just out of spite, it's proof that people aren't voting correctly. It's proof voting should be changed. It's proof woot's voting system is flawed. And it's proof that ramy supporters are no more ethical than he is. Even if Ramy's in the clear, voting for him out of spite says "I have no morals or ethics. I vote solely to make a point, not to support work I respect or desire."

Ramy will print anyway. He has a huge fanbase that simply doesn't give a damn, and woot would never sell their cash cow down the river. It won't change anything. It will only make our case stronger

frik


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Re: Neanderthal Anatomy



Wonder how anatomically correct a neanderthal is?

No. Yes.

jjthejuggler


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Re: Big Blue Box



I LOVE ~Doctor Who~ and if this shirts wins or becomes famous I will buy one. And if it doesn't become famous with the fame it deserves I will wish it would have been chosen to be bought by the likes of me.

-JJtheJuggler

jeanerz13


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Re: Original Knight



Is that Trogdor? :D

stingray69


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Siax wrote:
Who ever said cavemen didn't fight dragons?



Nobody that I can think of but I like this one.

Assassin15


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endangeredomega wrote:What's wrong with this shirt is that Bill Watterson, the creator of C&H, is widely known for being 100% against *any* merchandising of these characters.



Need anyone say anything else? You guys have wasted a whole lotta characters when all you needed was the above quote...

PULL UP YOUR SKIRT, WE'RE ON A MISSION/
WE NEED A HERO, NOT A POLITICIAN - "Panhammer" by Phinehas

HolyApocalypse


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Re: The Evolution of Drawing



The Stickoic Era abruptly came to an end after all stick figure life was wiped out by a sea of paint. Thus began the Humanblobbic Era, which reigned until the first Skeletoic figures emerged, who were quickly followed by the creatures of the Muscucambian Era.

Original inspiration from the "March of Progress" depicting the evolution of man.

Anyways, first shot at a derby, any suggestions/comments are welcome. Would have loved to see the concept done by a more talented artist, but you know how it is!

GravityJMB


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Re: Generations



Reminds me of the walls in the house at the end of The Blair Witch Project.

=/

purpleterp57


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Re: The Vacationer of Willendorf



I just studied this last week in my Art History class. I'm glad it's a reference used in the real world too. Or at least, our real world. xD

be10der2me


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AdderXYU wrote:Nothing people don't already know.

It actually helps the cause, though. Woot is never going to do anything. They don't care. But every time someone votes for Ramy just out of spite, it's proof that people aren't voting correctly. It's proof voting should be changed. It's proof woot's voting system is flawed. And it's proof that ramy supporters are no more ethical than he is. Even if Ramy's in the clear, voting for him out of spite says "I have no morals or ethics. I vote solely to make a point, not to support work I respect or desire."

Ramy will print anyway. He has a huge fanbase that simply doesn't give a damn, and woot would never sell their cash cow down the river. It won't change anything. It will only make our case stronger



I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THIS but I agree...IN PART! This part..."It's proof voting should be changed. It's proof woot's voting system is flawed."
Woot should count votes as a pre-order. Instead of "I'd want that" make it "I am in for one". If the shirt prints your account is charged for one and you have 2 days to decide on a size or you get shipped a large.
One shirt prepaid= one vote.
Would this work?
I think it would cut down on premier shirts being relegated to the reckoning in their debut week.
Just an idea.

fishbiscuit5


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Re: One Two Red Blue



Just for fun.

Edit: Oops! Forgot to put a red color swatch up there. Six colors on brown.

Siax


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jeanerz13 wrote:Is that Trogdor? :D



lol!

nevetnod


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Re: Mystery Solved



I'm always saddened (dumbfounded, really) by the low number of votes your cool entries receive each week. I admire your talent.

I like celery.

sakleehop


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Re: Baby Saber



Hey Snow - another fantastic design! I'm so jealous - you've got mad skills. I love the effect you create... I don't understand why your design are consistently under rewarded. Don't stop trying though, they'll have to come around eventually. GMV!! Good luck.