gelka


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tulsastorm wrote:It's got my vote although I don't think woot had printed a Doctor Who shirt yet.



If you don't consider 'It Came Out Of Nowhere' as a Doctor Who shirt that is. Its been in the reckoning for a very long time too.

sTyLeS


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kc6201 wrote:I can see it being rejected because of copyright reasons. If that's the case, why not just say it? But religion, really? Does Woot have some policy on that? It's not like it's against the law. Maybe whoever rejected it was just personally offended.



I think there were multiple factors that played in. Copyright, blood, and being offensive.
Of course being offensive isn't against the law, but since they sell the designs on kids sizes they try to keep the offensiveness to a minimum.
But that being said, the "rules" and reasons for rejection are being applied fairly randomly...especially in this derby. Some are falling prey to rejection, while others that need to be aren't.

jasneko


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Re: One Two Red Blue

Cute idea fishbiscuit!

Vote!

kc6201


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Re: Finger Painting



Rejected because: Not PG-13

What does that even mean? It has to be PG and under or PG-13 and under? If it's the latter, this is definitely PG-13. People get killed in PG-13 movies.

kc6201


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sTyLeS wrote:I think there were multiple factors that played in. Copyright, blood, and being offensive.
Of course being offensive isn't against the law, but since they sell the designs on kids sizes they try to keep the offensiveness to a minimum.
But that being said, the "rules" and reasons for rejection are being applied fairly randomly...especially in this derby. Some are falling prey to rejection, while others that need to be aren't.



Yeah, it can't be for just copyright, because this one didn't get rejected. Don't try to tell me that's not Barney.

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=45446

Doobie1357


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You guys have way too much time on your hands. It's a tee shirt. Relax. Other people like it. Don't throw a hissy fit just because not everyone agrees with you. I think it's half decent although I wouldn't buy it or vote for it but really...what difference will it make if woot prints this or not.
Again...relax. Everything will be ok.

kc6201


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Re: Sabertooth Can Haz Cheezburger?



This meme is so over-exposed, but I can't help but love this!

dreamwootseeker


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runnerfrog13 wrote:Coming into this and seeing this shirt first (before the original version), I actually didn't connect it to C&H at all until reading the comments. I think it can stand alone, since I thought it was more of a joke about the caveman being so stupid that the sabertooth ate him instead of being ridden. Typical cat behavior. I do like the style too. Simple lines, not too cute



Then you've not read nearly enough Calvin and Hobbes. C'mon, the spiky hair, the look on the tiger's face .. it is trademark Bill Watterson. I was hoping that at least these characters would be spared, but apparently nothing is sacred to Ramy

kc6201


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Re: Big Blue Box series 2



The problem I have with this is way the TARDIS is drawn. It has clean and perfectly straight lines. Shouldn't it be more primitive looking, like the stick figures?

MadameNoir


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Re: Big Blue Box series 2



This is a must have.For humanity,as we know it!

GOD, save this shirt.......

gaylene black

kc6201


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Re: The Art Keeper



Nicely done!

ccazabon


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mjc613 wrote:Woot will print some characters, if they deem it to be a parody AND the company that owns it doesn't mind. But it's their call.

However, this is pushing the boundaries on the theme, which is supposed to be cave art. The suited guy would be an unlikely subject, so this may be deemed off topic.



if it was done in cave art style, it could have been really good

kc6201


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Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=45455]$@



Took me a bit to understand what was going on here, but I really like the style of the drawings. They look pretty authentic!

thatrobert


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Re: Legend of Cookie Hunter



A last minute inspiration...


kc6201


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IraGlacialis wrote:So I noticed nobody seemed to have used the literal definition of prehistory yet. thus, I decided to put that spin on this design. It's showing a Bradshaw, dun horse, and Bohuslän man running away from a hieroglyphic-adorned Aleph shooting cuneiforms at them.



I didn't understand all of that, but prehistory means before written history, right? Before history was recorded? So the apocalypse to them is the coming of the written language? Whatever it's meant to convey, I think it looks pretty good.

kc6201


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Re: Tar Pit Painting



Funny idea!

SnowQueenVT


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Re: Legend of Cookie Hunter




Well thats weird, we just ate this exact thing!

Ps(Your baby is so cute!!)

(From the next room I just heard "can I have another cookie?")So,I gotta go.

http://www.wix.com/scottgreenip/snowqueenvt

kc6201


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kylemittskus wrote:I half agree. That one at least shows some sort of representation of "prehistoric art." This one doesn't even come close.



What do you call what the dinosaurs are producing on the stone face? Looks like art to me.

thatrobert


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SnowQueenVT wrote:Well thats weird, we just ate this exact thing!

Ps(Your baby is so cute!!)

(From the next room I just heard "can I have another cookie?")So,I gotta go.



Thanks! Tell your kids they need to hunt their own cookies!

BootsBoots


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mjc613 wrote:You fooled me! I had no idea that this was yours!

I clicked because I wanted to see how you used the 6 colors to get the effect of having many more. I like how this turned out.



Bwahaha! Branching out with different art styles SUCCESS!

Thanks for all the comments, everybody.


bassanimation


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Re: Legend of Cookie Hunter



+1 for AMAZING! Hahahahaha! This is easily one of my late favorites! Way to go, Robert!

sogj


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Doobie1357 wrote:You guys have way too much time on your hands. It's a tee shirt. Relax. Other people like it. Don't throw a hissy fit just because not everyone agrees with you. I think it's half decent although I wouldn't buy it or vote for it but really...what difference will it make if woot prints this or not.
Again...relax. Everything will be ok.



People are worked up because he's riding an idea that is, to many, obviously ripped off at best, for potentially thousands of dollars. It's not "just a tshirt" for many here. It's a livelihood.

I refuse to answer on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

kittypoocaca


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Re: Big Blue Box series 2



If I hadn't seen the 1st shirt you submitted I would have totally though this was Bill & Ted, but then again I don't watch Dr. Who.

sogj


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Doobie1357 wrote:You guys have way too much time on your hands. It's a tee shirt. Relax. Other people like it. Don't throw a hissy fit just because not everyone agrees with you. I think it's half decent although I wouldn't buy it or vote for it but really...what difference will it make if woot prints this or not.
Again...relax. Everything will be ok.



I'll be honest, I started subbing here even though I have 0 design experience because someone (several people, actually) told me I had potential and I should try. My goal was that, maybe after a long time, I might possibly be able to help pay off some of my son's NICU bills. But for people who have a very strong set of ethics, it's difficult to come up with an idea that can beat something like this. It's even harder to watch an shirt like this take away at least a thousand dollar prize (not to mention more in the reckoning) when it's design is based off an idea and a character that seems to be obviously copyrighted. It hurts to watch someone use someone else's creativity, hard work, marketing, wit, and characters to make themselves a quick (and very large) buck at the expense of others, including the original artist. Most of his shirts that win (including one that is currently in the reckoning) were ripped off/borrowed/shamelessly stolen from other sources, making him tens of thousands of dollars and, in the process, taking away the opportunity for artists who don't steal from others to make that money. That's what people are upset about. Not because they "don't like the shirt."

I refuse to answer on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

mindputtee


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I like the dots, I think it makes the whole scene look a little magical. I would recommend (for future reference) maybe using a thinner stroke for the black outlines, it will tone down the business but still preserve the rich texture that makes this beautiful.

It's a really nice piece though, and I love the color palette. I think it would make a very wearable shirt.

thechc


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I submitted my first Derby entry for Prehistoric Art and it got rejected with the reason: "Nope"

Anybody want to explain what's wrong with my design?

thechc


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paigeg wrote:There's always a comedian or two in the bunch.



Any idea why this design got rejected?

sTyLeS


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thechc wrote:Any idea why this design got rejected?



Celebrity likeness is a no-no. Plus photos are usually a no-no as well.

Drakxxx


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Re: Mammoth Envy



This really looks great, and I love how you did the mammoths.


Josephus


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sogj wrote:People are worked up because he's riding an idea that is, to many, obviously ripped off at best, for potentially thousands of dollars. It's not "just a tshirt" for many here. It's a livelihood.



that's not the overriding concern to me. Everyone here knows that Bill Watterson does not want C&H to be used in any way. Personally, I can't see any parody at all in the design, but for myself, I don't want the shirt made, not because it's Ramy, but because Watterson wouldn't want the shirt made. That in and of itself ought to be all that matters. Woot can damn well make a little less on one day's shirt because the artist doesn't want anyone using his work. This isn't Garfield, for pete's sake, it's Calvin and Hobbes. Let's show some respect. Show some backbone.

AdderXYU


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sogj wrote:I'll be honest, I started subbing here even though I have 0 design experience because someone (several people, actually) told me I had potential and I should try. My goal was that, maybe after a long time, I might possibly be able to help pay off some of my son's NICU bills. But for people who have a very strong set of ethics, it's difficult to come up with an idea that can beat something like this. It's even harder to watch an shirt like this take away at least a thousand dollar prize (not to mention more in the reckoning) when it's design is based off an idea and a character that seems to be obviously copyrighted. It hurts to watch someone use someone else's creativity, hard work, marketing, wit, and characters to make themselves a quick (and very large) buck at the expense of others, including the original artist. Most of his shirts that win (including one that is currently in the reckoning) were ripped off/borrowed/shamelessly stolen from other sources, making him tens of thousands of dollars and, in the process, taking away the opportunity for artists who don't steal from others to make that money. That's what people are upset about. Not because they "don't like the shirt."



This is brilliantly put.

I would, of course, add that art, as a whole, is an INCREDIBLY important discipline, and the thought that any art is "just" a product is pretty offensive, narrow-minded, and childish. If it's just a product, it's not remotely art. Artists should be paid, and paid well, for their work. But no true artist makes art purely for the pay. People will argue this, but I feel you can TRULY tell the difference in styles between someone who cares about what art means, and someone who simply says "ooh, a quick grand!"

A shirt like Chris Dixon's NightLife features a design which could completely hypothetically have been painted and hung on a canvas and sold in an auction for howevermuch. That is not "just a shirt". And it is not "popular" either. And the fact is, there is gallery-quality art that also works as shirt art continually missing print due to people making a quick buck. But there's also other forms of creativity. Walmazan does cute work regularly, but he has a distinct style and quite often his own inspiration (it is the exception, not the rule, that he resorts to someone else's reference). I have said elsewhere before that Geekfactor12 is one of the few people I will buy a video game tee from, because she can craft a reference that remains pure and appealing even if you DON'T get it. There is a part of her creativity in that work, and she regularly looks at even tired themes with fresh and fun eyes. that's what made someone like Glennz so big at Threadless, and why he's big enough to ditch them and go on his own for new prints. Glennz never did museum art, but he made perfect tee art, his pop culture usage was always clever, and his own ideas were always ones that felt original or at least took a fun twist. When we discuss art here, it's only partially in a museum definition. A tshirt is a fully different canvas.

But the fact is, relying so strongly on work with almost zero parody, that is so basically someone else's idea, and rides so hard on that idea that you can't see a hint of originality from the "artist" trying to profit, that damages ALL art. It says we do not value someone else's work. It says we do not value someone else's opinions of their own work. It says art is for us to take, and artists have no rights. And that is not a stance anyone should consciously allow another person to take. Especially when other artists sit by silently.

There is a dramatic difference between using an idea to boost your own, and using an idea AS your own, and both of those are far different from using someone's characters and hard work WITHOUT any ideas, of your own or otherwise. Saying we're getting worked up over just a shirt completely ignores the true ramifications of the actions, and indeed perpetuates even more damage. There is official merchandise for almost everything. If you're desperate to relive your childhood and can't handle new things, buy that. But if you truly respect these old nostalgic properties, you absolutely must be selective and intelligent in what external merchandise you support, because chances are what you're saying is not "I love and have respect for Mario," but "I love showing people I like Mario." You're selling out your heroes and memories for someone else to turn a buck on.

sethjf


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Re: MONSTER HUNTER



I think this is ridiculously cool. Nice work!

hollywoodjane


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Re: Legend of Cookie Hunter



Oh, I hope this one can climb the ranks quickly, I love it.

thechc


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sTyLeS wrote:Celebrity likeness is a no-no. Plus photos are usually a no-no as well.



That sucks. This would totally fall under fair use.

loveengrey


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Darquis wrote:I think what they meant was there are other artists who also do lots of cutesy things, but they don't get the same amount of...discussion *cough* that ramy (and seki when she was here) gets. The majority of Fablefire's entries are cutesy, for example - but not so much hate there eh?



Wells, if my memory of woot drama is correct, theres so much more to the seki/ramy hate than just the cutesy designs. Ranging from rumors of having multiple accounts to pile on votes, to resubbing designs that originally get rejected by making very slight changes to the art (as in changing a color from grey to dark grey or adding a very slight line or two to the design).

Also, even though fablefire's stuff is usually cutesy, she's at least shown in some of her designs that she has an artistic ability outside of cute. And her type of cute is actually drawn alright, not like the squirrel up there with just a < in the middle of the body for an arm and with arrows not even sticking onto the body.

tico0001


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Josephus wrote:that's not the overriding concern to me. Everyone here knows that Bill Watterson does not want C&H to be used in any way. Personally, I can't see any parody at all in the design, but for myself, I don't want the shirt made, not because it's Ramy, but because Watterson wouldn't want the shirt made. That in and of itself ought to be all that matters. Woot can damn well make a little less on one day's shirt because the artist doesn't want anyone using his work. This isn't Garfield, for pete's sake, it's Calvin and Hobbes. Let's show some respect. Show some backbone.



I 100% agree with this. I tried saying something along these lines in the previous (now rejected and disappeared) entry's comments, but this is way better put Josephus.

I'm very happy to see that a lot of the artists here are not sitting idly and are showing their discontent.

~Tico

PemberDucky


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Staff

Katanaangel wrote:I know I'm just a lowly orange box, and I've never actually put down a comment before, but "I'm mad as heck and I can't take it anymore."

Ramy, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you are aware of Watterson's work, his adamant distaste for false marketing of his characters, then perhaps you would realise that, parody or not, this is obviously a mirroring of C&H and is a total disgrace. Every time I see those awful Calvin "pee" stickers I just want to punch the person who has them (for multitudes of reasons).
Growing up, C&H was my favorite comic of all time. I loved every single comic, and still have all of the books. Seeing this done, let alone by you, just sends me off the handle.

If you had any grace or humbleness, you'd remove this right now.

I know you won't. Especially with a request from me- I have no artwork worthy of submitting to try and take yours on, I've only made two shirt purchases, so I'm just a nobody. But I refuse to stay silent about this.
*gets off soapbox and walks off*



I agree. Smacks of arrogance.

Today's pants smell like:
Not sure if you should post that? This slightly-nsfw-flowchart will help.

sogj


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AdderXYU wrote:Insert Adder's whole post here



I would like to clarify that I didn't mean to sound like I thought art was only good for making a buck, or that the only reason I was here was to make money. I'm a photographer in real life, my husband is a graphic designer, and my mother is an artist (painting and sculpting, gallery works) so I have tremendous respect for the creative business. I love it and have a passion for it.

That being said, I also have a mortgage and two kids. I love designing shirts, I love having to randomly come up with something to fit a "theme," but I absolutely wouldn't stay up until 3 in the morning every Friday and take care of a toddler and infant in a complete stupor the next day just for the fun of it, with no chance at supplemental income.

Just to clarify.

I refuse to answer on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

sogj


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Josephus wrote:that's not the overriding concern to me. Everyone here knows that Bill Watterson does not want C&H to be used in any way. Personally, I can't see any parody at all in the design, but for myself, I don't want the shirt made, not because it's Ramy, but because Watterson wouldn't want the shirt made. That in and of itself ought to be all that matters. Woot can damn well make a little less on one day's shirt because the artist doesn't want anyone using his work. This isn't Garfield, for pete's sake, it's Calvin and Hobbes. Let's show some respect. Show some backbone.



I know. The message I meant to communicate (and fell horribly short, and so tried to correct in my following post) was not the money issue, but the fact that it's an IP issue that someone is making money on. If I went and printed up a bunch of shirts exactly like this and donated them to a day care, few people would care. Except that it's kind of creepy for a day care, but that's beside the point. I wouldn't do that, because it's still IP, but not as big of a fuss would be made.

I was responding to a commenter who said "it's just a tshirt" and I was trying to explain that, no, it's really not "just a tshirt." The fact that he's using someone else's intellectual property without parody to make money is the issue. I didn't mean to sound as confusing as I did, sorry.

I refuse to answer on the grounds that I don't know the answer.

mjc613


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Re: The Tofu-henge



I saw that this had been on Threadless. How does their site work with designs that they haven't printed?