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Re: Some Assembly Required

very cool! the "vitruvian" man on the box is a nice touch.

Re: Building some robot love.

lonelypond wrote:Very nice!! Cat looks more involved in this pose; to me at least ; )

Thanks very much lonelypond!=)

cybermen need love too.... er. wait. no they don't. :P

Re: Building some robot love.

very cute, lovely colors too!

kieronalsmith wrote:Can I buy one of these little guys for real? Each day would be infinitely better if one were to march around my office desk. :D

hahah! yes! i'll start prototyping.

Re: Escape from the Nut House

Is that supposed to be an angry Fatbot from Robot House?

if you ever make this as a PRINT - i would love to know..

CrescentDebris wrote:Thank you and believe me, I know exactly what you mean. It is quite clear that if we want to win consistently, we would definitely need to modify our tactics. Just speaking for myself here but my stubbornness to continue to crank out details on already complex lines is comparative to my stubbornness to continue to be an honest and generally "swell" guy despite knowledge that being a backstabbing liar would probably land more results in life.

I am what I am and do what I do. And as generic as that sounds... well, it is. And that's not really what I'm interested in making. Generic. I make art first and shirts second. We're a symphony playing for the deaf but we can still hear it and want it to kick ass regardless of who appreciates it. Thankfully, many of you can hear.

I agree that this honestly isn't really our place, but I think that's why people notice this stuff. I like the challenge of having to crank these out in a day with only 6 colors. These derbies are a challenge. Something I do in my spare time. They're practice for what I care about more than a print which is to improve as an artist and gain a few fans along the way. And those 4th and 5th place finishes have a nice sting to them that I quite enjoy.

Tshirts aren't really the best medium, I agree. If anyone is interested in linking us to the graphic novel contest or anything more suiting, feel free to do so.

Heh, you act as though more simple equates to terrible designs! That's quite a pedestal you've placed above other artists! To me, there are some beautiful simpler designs in this derby. Designs like The Gift, Slave to Technology, Pocket Protector and Boom Boom Bot. Good art doesn't necessarily equate to heavily detailed art. Or rather, there are many carefully crafted "simple" lines in the "simpler" art.

Re: Jump Ropebot

I'd be appreciative of any feedback folks could give. I know it's a bit cocky to think so, but I thought it had a lot of good things going on and was a bit surprised at the cold reception. Always eager to hear constructive criticism and make the next outing better than the last.

jessc1077 wrote:I have to agree- this is gorgeous and so intricate, and much more engaging than other entries with boxy metal robots ^_^ I really would love to buy one even if it can't be sold at Woot!

thanks a lot, well at least i know some people could buy my designs ;-)
For this one i'll wait the required 2 months before submitting elsewhere.
i just opened a blog you can follow the activity here
http://kharmazero.tumblr.com/

Much better design, definitely voting for this one

Re: Robo Squirrel Version 3

Re: Running of the mechanical bulls

fun! my little one said - I want that one!
amazed how colorful it is using such few colors

scionofjubal wrote:Love this design for two details:

The monkey's face

The Barbie doll

also the little green army men. I missed them the first time I looked at it. So cute!

albinoapple wrote:Heh, you act as though more simple equates to terrible designs! That's quite a pedestal you've placed above other artists! To me, there are some beautiful simpler designs in this derby. Designs like The Gift, Slave to Technology, Pocket Protector and Boom Boom Bot. Good art doesn't necessarily equate to heavily detailed art. Or rather, there are many carefully crafted "simple" lines in the "simpler" art.

I don't think anything you just said was implied in anything he just said at all. What he said was that he didn't want to change his style to win derbies.

That's quite a pedestal you've placed yourself on erroneously.

Re: Robotron Wreaks Havoc

had to vote for this one
little one saw this and says - Baarbieee is dead - hahahaha!

JRSly wrote:I'd be appreciative of any feedback folks could give. I know it's a bit cocky to think so, but I thought it had a lot of good things going on and was a bit surprised at the cold reception. Always eager to hear constructive criticism and make the next outing better than the last.

I asked a similar question when I first started, and no one responded which made me all sadface Because of this, I always feel obligate to respond to these post every time I see them even though I may not be the best person to offer advise. Hopefully, you can walk away with something.

First off, off course you like your design; it is not cocky You created it, and it relates to you. However, this piece does not relate to me, and by the looks of it, it doesn't relate to other voters either. I am not interested in a robot jumping rope, putting a little cry-girl to shame. I don't mean to be rude; I am just being completely honest. Subject matter is HUGE on these T-shirt design contest, sadly even more important than the art itself at times (which is really good here- don't get me wrong since you do have skill) and you have to find subject matter that appeals to the masses. This is true outside of Woot too at other T-shirt design websites.

Secondly, the biggest thing I feel ALL designers suffer from time to time is composition. The girl being at tad lower than the robot, suggesting that she is more in the foreground, creates a diagonal composition. This works in some cases, but it doesn't work here in my opinion. Some times you have to play it safe, and I think a dull, rectangular composition would have behooved you. For me, composition can easily make or break a design. A good tip for me is to zoom way out, to a point where I can't see any detail, and study the overall shape my design creates. If it feels wrong, then it is wrong.

Last but not least, make sure your main goal is to have fun and to create great art. If you have fun doing these designs, the votes should not matter because you are already a winner; You have accomplished your goal the moment you upload it to the derby (however, always stop and ask for critiques if you wish to seek self improvement... like you did above). Plus, if you do it for fun, you are more likely to stick around for the long run and not get caught up in the frustration of "why the heck is no one voting for this awesome design." The more attempts you produce, the more chances you have of being printed here. Very few get blessed with overnight success.

Honestly, in this case, there is nothing wrong with this entry. Your only problem is that your concept/ the subject matter/ the joke does not appeal to people here. From what I have seen, if you have a solid concept/ subject matter/ joke that appeals to the masses here, then you can get away with just drawing sloppy stick figures... yet I don't recommend it if you have any self respect

I hope that made sense, and I hope that it helped.

For more help, feel free to read tgentry tips:

Tgenty's Tips for New Designers

I will be honest, I haven't read it... haha. I probably should since he is probably the best person to take advise from here. If he says something that contradicts me, then believe him Even though tgentry rarely submits designs here anymore(since he is now employed at woot I believe), he still hold the record for most prints at woot.

Thanks a lot mrrogers413 and ghostworld!

albinoapple wrote:Heh, you act as though more simple equates to terrible designs! That's quite a pedestal you've placed above other artists! To me, there are some beautiful simpler designs in this derby. Designs like The Gift, Slave to Technology, Pocket Protector and Boom Boom Bot. Good art doesn't necessarily equate to heavily detailed art. Or rather, there are many carefully crafted "simple" lines in the "simpler" art.

I'm not sure why you think I'm being arrogant or claiming that simplicity = crap. I don't make posts that long for the purpose of gloating or cutting someone else down. I make posts that long because I try to explain things in detail. But despite my goal for clarity, the idea has been lost, or twisted, or misinterpreted. So, just so my statements are quite clear and you can understand that you're way off on what I believe, I've re-worded my entire post so that you can have a fresh take on what I'm saying.
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Thank you and believe me, I know exactly what you mean.

Yes, we do put a lot of unnecessary detail into shirt designs.

It is quite clear that if we want to win consistently, we would definitely need to modify our tactics.

In order to win consistently we would need to make designs based on what we think most voters will like instead of making designs based in the style that WE like. This isn't a problem for a lot of other artists because the style they enjoy creating happens to be something that most wooters enjoy. It's not a case of "the stuff that wins is crap". It's a case of, "we don't enjoy making the overall style that makes it big" but, if our only goal is to win, we would need to take notes and mimic the shirts in the Reckoning regardless of whether we felt like frauds or sellouts.

Just speaking for myself here but my stubbornness to continue to crank out details on already complex lines is comparative to my stubbornness to continue to be an honest and generally "swell" guy despite knowledge that being a backstabbing liar would probably land more results in life.

The amount of effort and detail I put into what I do is something I can't help. Even if I know less could be more, I will continue to work on the piece until I like it. This is possibly where someone could read INTO my statement to suggest I believe that High Detail = Honest/Swell and that Simple = Back Stabbing Liar. In my original write-up I even had a line that said something like "Not to imply that those that do less busy designs are liars of course" but I honestly thought it was unnecessary to state so I left it out before posting. I felt it was obviously not meant as an insult.

I am what I am and do what I do. And as generic as that sounds... well, it is. And that's not really what I'm interested in making. Generic.

Generic is such a derogatory term here. Perhaps Common is a better term. We're trying to keep a different flavor to the derby. No one said that this one was so much better or that the others were bad.

I make art first and shirts second.

I make images that I think are cool, then worry about whether it’s something people want to buy.

We're a symphony playing for the deaf but we can still hear it and want it to kick ass regardless of who appreciates it. Thankfully, many of you can hear.

Symphony as in lots of elements and complexity. I didn’t mention anything about a four piece band, duet, or solo artist being crap because there are fewer people.

I agree that this honestly isn't really our place, but I think that's why people notice this stuff.

I agree that this art is better for posters and comics as other have said. But I still think they can be nice shirts.

I like the challenge of having to crank these out in a day with only 6 colors. These derbies are a challenge. Something I do in my spare time.

It’s fun to do.

They're practice for what I care about more than a print which is to improve as an artist and gain a few fans along the way.

The practice and comments I get from people means more than the money. The possibility of winning is a bonus.

And those 4th and 5th place finishes have a nice sting to them that I quite enjoy.

This statement contains sarcasm. Between my Solo entires and the Collabs, I do have a nice collection of Top 10s that fail to print and many shirts I’ve really wanted printed. (That's because we make what we like, which is really the entire point to everything I posted and what we're talking about.) Duck & Cover, Zombie Doom Squad, Underworld, Playground, Pottery Training, Equinox to name a few.

Tshirts aren't really the best medium, I agree. If anyone is interested in linking us to the graphic novel contest or anything more suiting, feel free to do so.

I think our styles are better on consistantly flat mediums. Posters, comics, monitors etc. Whoever wants to point me in that direction, do so.

And proof that less can indeed be more, while I was over-designing my reply, CapSea here said exactly what needed to be said in two sentences. Thank you.

CapSea wrote:I don't think anything you just said was implied in anything he just said at all. What he said was that he didn't want to change his style to win derbies.

CrescentDebris wrote:

Allow me to sum up my long post with an even longer post

Sorry, I know I crack "jokes" at the worst times. I appreciate both your styles, wether you work individually or together. You bring something new to the table and I love the variety!

Re: Go Fetch

I tend to really like your designs. Yes, they may have that "cute" appeal that seems to drive people on Woot nuts for some reason, but as far as I'm concerned they're very solid designs. Bought School for my boyfriend and will probably buy this one for him or myself as well.

Not sure why there is so much controversy over your designs. I look forward to what you will submit every week, but I voted for this without ever realizing it was you because I liked that the design was cute and simple. If people didn't overall like the design, then it wouldn't make it to the fog in the first place.

My sister is an artist and I agree that constructive criticism should always be asked for and received, but what I've seen on your threads seems more like unnecessary bashing a good deal of the time. I would hate for her to deal with that if she decided to start submitting here.

Regardless of all the drama - Good job, I'll be picking one up if you win.

pickabattle wrote:Paige,

Hmmm...I guess I was going for the left leg being more turned towards the front, as if it was the sports action pose at a 3/4 angle instead of in profile. Like this:



I totally see your point...it seems now like the head should be more in profile to match the rest of the body. I think some of what I was going for got lost in the translation from the sketch to the final pose. Thanks for the look over!

No problem, and nice re-sub. Like the bolder colors. And yeah, your posse is slightly more in profile - so his head should be facing where the runner is going. It's not a design-killr, though. Still cool look.

Re: Some Assembly Required

Lol! I'm a little worried at how this construction will turn out, with the Vitruvian Man as a guide.

Nice, as always. And a cool take on the theme.

Re: The Sprint V2

Niiice! I do love the new colors. And the head position is much better.

dottarts wrote:Just trying to drum up some conversation. How embarassing.

Oooo, bad form. I hear ya- it can be frustrating when no one comments. But, at least give it a bit of time. And don't be deceitful, that won't win friends and influence people.

Re: Roboticism

Oh, you should fix and re-sub this - it's allowed. It sucks to get bumped for a technical error.

CrescentDebris wrote:

Wait, now can you translate your explanation into Latin? I don't think I'm getting it yet...

Excellent reply (yours, not mine) and and excellent design.

Re: The North Pole Upgrade

This is great, Loop. I don't know how I missed it before. Sad it's not doing better.

Re: robot salmons last day

Is the box around the design intended?

Re: Nerd Fight

Nice. I'd like to see more white shirts!

nyenna wrote:Is the box around the design intended?

no,
it was left in by accident, though it prooves i fit within the guidlines this week.

no1 wrote:doesn't every1?

Yes. <3

Re: Feeling complete

That looks very nice for your first submission. :^)

sTyLeS gave you some great tips, I'd just add that you want to use a 580x580 square image so it doesn't get stretched to fit the box. Good luck with future derbies!

Re: Pocket Protector

love it!

Re: Bluejay Ascending

Well here it is Tuesday morning I have 17 votes, not bad for a return to the madness. I want to thank all who support me and my efforts. Have a great week.

Re: 18XX ROGUE GEARS

This is beyond awesome and I loved the video clip, watching the work in progress was a total treat!

kazzmonkey wrote:That robot doesn't look exactly like the old school robot toy. That specific toy is in fact a "pop culture robot" and is not your design, though the shirt is very nice.

Good luck in the future.

looks like the iphone, and romba prints are all rejected as well

albinoapple wrote:Heh, you act as though more simple equates to terrible designs! That's quite a pedestal you've placed above other artists! To me, there are some beautiful simpler designs in this derby. Designs like The Gift, Slave to Technology, Pocket Protector and Boom Boom Bot. Good art doesn't necessarily equate to heavily detailed art. Or rather, there are many carefully crafted "simple" lines in the "simpler" art.

Talk about concocting drama out of literally nothing.

Re: gas guzzler (now z-less!)

Re: gas guzzler (now z-less!)

Thank you, CrescentDebris for taking the time to explain it to me! I interpreted this quote incorrectly, mostly:

"Just speaking for myself here but my stubbornness to continue to crank out details on already complex lines is comparative to my stubbornness to continue to be an honest and generally "swell" guy despite knowledge that being a backstabbing liar would probably land more results in life. "

I took that as an implication that to draw simpler designs would be as terrible as being a backstabbing liar. As in, every artist who does that is as morally bad as being a backstabber.

jmmbell1987 wrote:Talk about concocting drama out of literally nothing.

Drama? Where?