melfox86


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Re: El Zorro



I love it! I think this is the only design so far in the derby I'd actually wear-- great idea!

ladyflyer88


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Love the design!! Woot please keep it, I want it to win!!!!!

ramyb


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JRWorkshop wrote:Really? That's just the most recent adaptation of the ORIGINAL Zorro. Written and created for somebody in the U.S.A almost 100 years ago. Not even mentioning that your excuse saying that 'El Cura' Hidalgo was called Fox (Which I doubt and you never mentioned in the first sub)
I Quote: "Zorro (Spanish for fox) is the secret identity of Don Diego de la Vega (originally Don Diego Vega), a nobleman and master living in the Spanish colonial era of California."
" Don Diego Vega becomes Señor Zorro in the pueblo of Los Angeles in California "to avenge the helpless, to punish cruel politicians," and "to aid the oppressed.""
All quoted from the ONLY wikipedia page about the Zorro you tried to picture



for your enjoyment

As for choosing this film, it is also the one I chose as the basis for this design, so it is completely appropriate to be the one that I link to. I'm not sure I'm seeing the issue.

DantesHavok


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Re: El Zorro



Zorro (Spanish for fox) is the secret identity of Don Diego de la Vega (originally Don Diego Vega), a nobleman and master living in the Spanish colonial era of California.

Spanish colonial era of California. - Alta California

Alta California, or Upper California, was a province and territory in the Viceroyalty of New Spain and later a territory and department in independent Mexico.



unsweetener


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I want this shirt so much.

DantesHavok


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JRWorkshop wrote:Really? That's just the most recent adaptation of the ORIGINAL Zorro. Written and created for somebody in the U.S.A almost 100 years ago. Not even mentioning that your excuse saying that 'El Cura' Hidalgo was called Fox (Which I doubt and you never mentioned in the first sub)
I Quote: "Zorro (Spanish for fox) is the secret identity of Don Diego de la Vega (originally Don Diego Vega), a nobleman and master living in the Spanish colonial era of California."
" Don Diego Vega becomes Señor Zorro in the pueblo of Los Angeles in California "to avenge the helpless, to punish cruel politicians," and "to aid the oppressed.""
All quoted from the ONLY wikipedia page about the Zorro you tried to picture



Among classmates he was known el zorro, "the fox."

JRWorkshop


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ramyb wrote:for your enjoyment

As for choosing this film, it is also the one I chose as the basis for this design, so it is completely appropriate to be the one that I link to. I'm not sure I'm seeing the issue.



Johnston Mc Culley NEVER used the history of Miguel Hidalgo & Costilla to create his fictional charcter, neither you to create this image.

Here we can ONLY find a fox (Zorro in spanish) with a Cape, a hat and a neddle in his mouth.

Tell me that kind of Fox is from Mexico. Is not.

Tell me that attire is Mexican. Is not. It's from Spain.

Nothing in this design is mexican or from mexican origin


sundbe10


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Re: Hail to the Sun God



I've taken a two year hiatus from Woot and I figured it's about time to start submitting stuff again.

Dutchbunch5


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Re: El Zorro



Love this shirt. Please save it for another derby.

SunnyLea0


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Re: What do you mean Roswell's in NEW Mexico?



Oh, I love traditional calaveras!

paigeg


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Re: Lucha-wawa Poco Loco



Sick, slick halftones. Great work, you two!

goodlifegardens


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kinzoku wrote:Zorro was of Spanish descent (of the Spain variety). And he lived in California. Perhaps he interacted with a few people who came up from Mexico to California in some of the stories, but that really doesn't make him Mexican.

(I really like the Isabel Allende adaptation of Zorro, in which he's part-Native American and part-Spaniard... still nothing to do with Mexico though. I feel this entry is a case of assuming Spanish-speaking = Mexican.)



If I remember my history correctly California WAS a part of Mexico at the time.

JRWorkshop


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If you wanna use the conection of the Fox and Hidalgo use something Hidalgo used, did or said and put it on the shirt. This has nothing to do with him and is a disgrace you only cite it as a way to justify the rejection. No wonder that many people complain about your work ethic.


paigeg


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Re: DOOM SQUAD Los Muertos



Yay, two of my favorite Woot artists, together again! Simply awesome. Must have!

endangeredomega


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Re: Tortilla Origami




Can't believe I'm the only one to mention this thus far, but it seems as though the individual aspects of the design are too small to be distinguishable from any kind of distance. It wasn't until I clicked on the thumbnail to see what all the fuss was about that I had *any* idea what this design was. :/

curli76


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taternuggets wrote:Collaboration between myself and Ignorant. With no nod toward Jeus for anything.



This makes me a little sad. Poor little guy.

Mondak


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Is that a Charlie Brown Poncho?

endangeredomega


quality posts: 37 Private Messages endangeredomega
Re: El Zorro




No amount of votes will make this design any more "Mexican" than it was when it was first rejected. As for the 'Alta California' argument ... AZ, NM, TX, etc. were all part of Mexican territory at some point also. Are designs referencing these areas/cultures all also fair game for this week's derby?

sasham62


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Re: Building On Culture



A dancer showing how Mexican culture is built on its Mayan and Spanish roots.

3 colors on brown. Hope you enjoy.

potsy356


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JRWorkshop wrote:Johnston Mc Culley NEVER used the history of Miguel Hidalgo & Costilla to create his fictional charcter, neither you to create this image.

Here we can ONLY find a fox (Zorro in spanish) with a Cape, a hat and a neddle in his mouth.

Tell me that kind of Fox is from Mexico. Is not.

Tell me that attire is Mexican. Is not. It's from Spain.

Nothing in this design is mexican or from mexican origin



If you have a problem with it, dont up vote it and leave the page. Youre not in charge here so stop trying to impress everyone trying to argue against ramyb's design. Im tired of all the pointless haters just bagging on his designs week after week. Hes vaguely referencing Mexican Independence and a hero who fought for it. Thats it, if you dont approve it, dont buy it.

Also great design ramyb. Nothing id wear but a friend of mine would love this :D

walmazan


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Re: Guadalupe Hidalgo



I think this is amazing my friend! I love this so much!

+1

JRWorkshop


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ramyb wrote:for your enjoyment

As for choosing this film, it is also the one I chose as the basis for this design, so it is completely appropriate to be the one that I link to. I'm not sure I'm seeing the issue.



The issue it's the image itself!!!
You're stating that Miguel Hidalgo was nicknamed 'El Zorro' and you did it as homage.

Have you seen images of Hidalgo himself? He didn't look like this fox at all!!

Ok, you don't have to pay homage by making a caricature of somebody. So, did Hidalgo used Cape and Cordobés hat? Neither in the pictures or here says that he was known for using that attire.

So what we have left? Just a fox using a traditional spaniard hat, that's all.


walmazan


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Re: Frida Y Diego



this is so funny! I love it!

+1

sundbe10


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Re: Hail to the Sun God



I took a two year hiatus from Woot so I figured now would be a good time to start submitting again. For those of you who voted for this already and your votes are gone, I had to resubmit because apparently I'm a little rusty and I messed up the color profile I was working with.

BootsBoots


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Re: Guadalupe Hidalgo



Nice. I love the fade out.


amp8587


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unsweetener wrote:I want this shirt so much.



I second that. The color choice for this is spot on!

walmazan


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Re: Mexico D.F.



Me encanta Amarillo, espero que la puedas volver a subir!!!!

kiwiki


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potsy356 wrote:If you have a problem with it, dont up vote it and leave the page. Youre not in charge here so stop trying to impress everyone trying to argue against ramyb's design. Im tired of all the pointless haters just bagging on his designs week after week. Hes vaguely referencing Mexican Independence and a hero who fought for it. Thats it, if you dont approve it, dont buy it.

Also great design ramyb. Nothing id wear but a friend of mine would love this :D



Amen to this. I'm a relatively new customer to shirt.woot and have enjoyed ordering shirts and voting in the derbies, but this kind of hatred towards a talented artist turns me off of wanting to shop here.

geekfactor12


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Re: El Zorro



Regardless of what Woot said, I'm kind of amazed that anyone would claim that the character of Zorro isn't heavily influenced by Mexican culture.

Really, guys? Really really?

petitefilou


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Re: El Zorro



I don't have a problem with the design, but if they rejected the first they should reject this one too. If they changed their minds, they should change the reason for the original rejection or un-reject it or SOMETHING.

This seems just inconsistent and silly, and frustrates me for reasons which have nothing to do with the artist and everything to do with woot's rubbish, inconsistent, opaque and seemingly randomly applied rejection policy.

JRWorkshop


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geekfactor12 wrote:Regardless of what Woot said, I'm kind of amazed that anyone would claim that the character of Zorro isn't heavily influenced by Mexican culture.

Really, guys? Really really?



How?


shikausstan


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runnerfrog13 wrote:This is kindof ignorant and offensive, like implying that you'll die if you drink the water in Mexico... plenty of people (notably the ENTIRE POPULATION) drink water there and are still alive.



It is only offensive if you choose to be offended. And the entire population does not drink the water. In some locations it really isn't safe so even locals don't drink it without sterilizing first.

cruelnv


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endangeredomega wrote:No amount of votes will make this design any more "Mexican" than it was when it was first rejected. As for the 'Alta California' argument ... AZ, NM, TX, etc. were all part of Mexican territory at some point also. Are designs referencing these areas/cultures all also fair game for this week's derby?



So long as it is referencing a part of Mexico's history, then I don't see why not... Heck, I could see the Alamo being a design that would fit the same bill...

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other user(s). Please keep in mind that these are only opinions and should not be inherently considered as factual statements. Thank you.

PCBconehead


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Re: Nacho Libre



I would trade my mother's lucky machete for this shirt!

walmazan


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Re: Fire maker, Rain bringer



This is more than amazing! I love it so much! great work!
+1

tjl2480


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Re: El Zorro



I like the design. Zorro is definitely influenced by Mexican culture, which is influenced by Spanish culture as well since they conquered Mexico. The problem may be that Zorro is an American construct. The costume, etc... were created by an American. The movies are American. You can tie the actual person to a Mexican priest but not the concept of Zorro as it is portrayed, since the character Zorro is more American culture.

MathUhhhSaurus


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Re: Hot Tamale



I'll just leave this here:
Hot Tamale

+1 for the always popular maiming of anthropomorphic food :D

Examine Bindle of Carrots.
What Bindle of Carrots?

marzipanapple


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Re: Fire maker, Rain bringer



Excellent styling, perfectly on theme, and a nice execution. GMV, Spirit.

BootsBoots


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Re: Ay Chihuahua!



A collab with Kevlar51.


mymovinman


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Re: Ay Chihuahua!



Swwet Work GMV +1