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Narfcake wrote:With the recent derby incident, sorry - I find it hard to use "reward" in the same sentence. And it was just too coincidental to believe that alibi. Perhaps if he keeps up with truly original designs, he could earn back some of that trust.

To what incident are you referring?

dcroe05 wrote:To what incident are you referring?

The remaining entry in context is entitled The O-riginal!. The other party's entry is noted as rejected/removed on shirt.what; The questioning started 6 minutes after that submission.

Yeah, grab some popcorn. The stuff that goes on is like a soap opera. For a summary, ask Adder.

Less than 90 minutes left, and 18-21 have been moving around. We'll see what fight they'll be putting up before noontime ...

Legend: Current rank (Baseline rank) Shirt Name - (Additional sales) and total quantity as of this posting . Refer to the beginning of this reckoning for the baseline sales numbers.

1 (7) Aztec Sunset - (+256) to 4391
2 (1) In the Library With the Wrench - (+212) to 5957
3 (2) The Cheese is a Liederkranz - (+199) to 15948
4 (5) The Binge - (+252) to 45083
5 (6) Funny Things are Everywhere - (+145) to 4356
6 (3) Poison - (+138) to 6580
7 (4) Acquired Taste - (+190) to 13986
8 (10) Epic Battle - (+130) to 2990
9 (9) It Came Out Of Nowhere - (+169) to 29913
10 (8) Nevermore - (+124) to 38849
11 (24) Fire Maker, Rain Bringer - (+117) to 2136
12 (11) Cheddar Power - (+92) to 3177
13 (12) Minor Modifications - (+112) to 4931
14 (13) Unstealthiest Ninja - (+121) to 8610
15 (17) Reflections on Pi - (+115) to 10249
16 (23) Pie(rate) Chart - (+94) to 3426
17 (14) Shelf Life - (+56) to 2373
18 (18) They’re Watching - (+114) to 4818
19 (15) Red Summer Skies - (+81) to 2685
20 (19) Meh - (+119) to 8840

21 (16) In Harmony - (+104) to 5550
22 (21) Playful Foxes - (+135) to 3128
23 (20) Hugasaurus Rex - (+77) to 2414
24 (27) Tortilla Origami - (+97) to 1343
25 (22) Drains!! - (+70) to 2505
26 (25) All Bark, No Bite - (+89) to 1495
27 (26) Pounding Away - (+33) to 918

Narfcake wrote:I used to, but then it throws me off when I'm not at home. So it's in Google spreadsheet now. I still reorder manually, though.

You can filter in Google spreadsheets. Click on the little filter icon (last one on the right), select the column and indicate the sort order.

Mavyn wrote:You can filter in Google spreadsheets. Click on the little filter icon (last one on the right), select the column and indicate the sort order.

Well, the thing is, I just append to the file, so there's several weeks of reckoning stats on it now. So I can't do the one-click sorting anymore.

It's working well enough at this stage. It was really more of a little whine, that's all.

Narfcake wrote:Well, the thing is, I just append to the file, so there's several weeks of reckoning stats on it now. So I can't do the one-click sorting anymore.

It's working well enough at this stage. It was really more of a little whine, that's all.

...

Select the block of rows to be sorted, right click. Select 'Sort'.

*edit: unless you just really need to whinge about something, in which case carry on! :p

Mavyn wrote:...

Select the block of rows to be sorted, right click. Select 'Sort'.

I'll play with that on tonight's baseline, then. If it screws up, though, I know who to blame.

20 minutes left ...

16. Shelf - 2374
17. Chart - 3426
18. Meh - 8844
19. Watching - 4819
20. Red - 2687

21. Harmony - 5553
22. Foxes - 3131
23. Hug - 2416
24. Tortilla - 1345

Two shirts (+1), both move up a spot ...

16. Shelf - (+0)
17. Chart - (+0)
18. Watching - (+1)
19. Meh - (+0)
20. Harmony - (+1)

21. Red - (+0)
22. Foxes - (+0)
23. Hug - (+0)
24. Tortilla - (+0)

More sales, more movement! Well, except for 24th ... my one purchase is nowhere near enough.

16. Shelf - (+0)
17. Harmony - (+3)
18. Red - (+2)
19. Chart - (+0)
20. Watching - (+2)

21. Meh - (+0)
22. Foxes - (+0)
23. Hug - (+0)
24. Tortilla - (+1)

The end of MEH? I thought apathy was forever?

Movement again ...

16. Shelf - (+0)
17. Red - (+3)
18. Watching - (+2)
19. Harmony - (+3)
20. Chart - (+0)

21. Meh - (+0)

I did buy another Tortilla Origami and Shelf Life this morning - I try and do my part for t-shirt kind.

grahamcrackercoyote wrote:I did buy another Tortilla Origami and Shelf Life this morning - I try and do my part for t-shirt kind.

I actually bought Hugasaurus for my son, but that was sometime last week...

Final count of the week.

Legend: Current rank (Baseline rank) Shirt Name - (Additional sales) and total quantity as of this posting . Refer to the beginning of this reckoning for the baseline sales numbers.

1 (7) Aztec Sunset - (+258) to 4393
2 (1) In the Library With the Wrench - (+212) to 5957
3 (2) The Cheese is a Liederkranz - (+200) to 15949
4 (5) The Binge - (+253) to 45084
5 (6) Funny Things are Everywhere - (+145) to 4356
6 (3) Poison - (+142) to 6584
7 (4) Acquired Taste - (+195) to 13991
8 (10) Epic Battle - (+132) to 2992
9 (9) It Came Out Of Nowhere - (+170) to 29914
10 (8) Nevermore - (+126) to 38851
11 (24) Fire Maker, Rain Bringer - (+117) to 2136
12 (11) Cheddar Power - (+94) to 3179
13 (12) Minor Modifications - (+116) to 4935
14 (13) Unstealthiest Ninja - (+121) to 8610
15 (17) Reflections on Pi - (+116) to 10250
16 (14) Shelf Life - (+57) to 2374
17 (15) Red Summer Skies - (+86) to 2690
18 (18) They’re Watching - (+117) to 4821
19 (16) In Harmony - (+110) to 5556
20 (23) Pie(rate) Chart - (+94) to 3426

21 (19) Meh - (+123) to 8844
22 (21) Playful Foxes - (+138) to 3131
23 (20) Hugasaurus Rex - (+79) to 2416
24 (27) Tortilla Origami - (+100) to 1346
25 (22) Drains!! - (+70) to 2505
26 (25) All Bark, No Bite - (+90) to 1496
27 (26) Pounding Away - (+34) to 919

OMGOMGOMGPONIESOMG, WootBot actually showed up for work today! ...

WootBot wrote:Happy Monday, everybody!

WootBot! Welcome Back!
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Post your pictures when you get a chance so we can all share in your vacation moments.

Narfcake wrote:The remaining entry in context is entitled The O-riginal!. The other party's entry is noted as rejected/removed on shirt.what; The questioning started 6 minutes after that submission.

Hmmmm. Makes me kind of upset that I bought Minor Modification.

Thanks for the info.

And it was just too coincidental to believe that alibi.

any thread that I can catch up on what happened with the design?

I didn't read everything but it seemed that:

- Ramy subbed an onion design which turned out to be similar to one Walmazan had on Threadless a year ago

- Walmazan then re-subbed that design here when people encouraged him to emphasize ownership of the idea

- Then it turned out that another onion bullying a brocolli design had been subbed to Threadless before either of them

- Drama ensued in which blame or coincidence was attributed based on who likes who

- Ramy removed his design to end the arguments


My thoughts: People tend to jump to conclusions that fit what they already assume about people.

Coincidences happen when you're working with very simple ideas and cutesey anthropomorphic stuff. It's happened to me. I've finished designs that have turned out to be very similar to old Threadless shirts that I've never seen before (and so I've not subbed them). When artists work with very simple ideas they bump into each other a lot. Considering the thousands upon thousands of shirt designs that are submitted, it's not surprising.

Comedians have the exact same problems with the origins of jokes. Fist fights happen because everyone is claiming ownership of an obvious idea that anyone could, and did, think of.

I doubt Walmazan ever saw the original design. I doubt 'supervillain' Ramy decided that copying a beloved Wooter's work would be an awesome and profitable idea.

The internet. Drama first. Thinking later.

Spiritgreen wrote:I didn't read everything but it seemed that:

- Ramy subbed an onion design which turned out to be similar to one Walmazan had on Threadless a year ago

- Walmazan then re-subbed that design here when people encouraged him to emphasize ownership of the idea

- Then it turned out that another onion bullying a brocolli design had been subbed to Threadless before either of them

- Drama ensued in which blame or coincidence was attributed based on who likes who

- Ramy removed his design to end the arguments


My thoughts: People tend to jump to conclusions that fit what they already assume about people.

Coincidences happen when you're working with very simple ideas and cutesey anthropomorphic stuff. It's happened to me. I've finished designs that have turned out to be very similar to old Threadless shirts that I've never seen before (and so I've not subbed them). When artists work with very simple ideas they bump into each other a lot. Considering the thousands upon thousands of shirt designs that are submitted, it's not surprising.

Comedians have the exact same problems with the origins of jokes. Fist fights happen because everyone is claiming ownership of an obvious idea that anyone could, and did, think of.

I doubt Walmazan ever saw the original design. I doubt 'supervillain' Ramy decided that copying a beloved Wooter's work would be an awesome and profitable idea.

The internet. Drama first. Thinking later.

^ Haha I love your recap!

Spiritgreen wrote:
The internet. Drama first. Thinking later.

I agree with most of the things. Then, there is something called "Reputation".

chennai8 wrote:I agree with most of the things. Then, there is something called "Reputation".

... and that last aspect is what's swaying some of us to believe one side versus another.

There was, and still is, a lot of guilt-by-association with another artist that was very popular here before. When lawyers had to be involved, you know it's bad. Long story short, she was caught with a design that was stolen from another artist and ultimately banned.

More quantifiable is the reason why I started documenting the sales numbers for the reckoning. Week after week, designs from those two artists in had a "habit" of jumping out of the danger zone at the last possible minute; sometimes, even past the last minute. Even the WootBot cited such actions before. The sales pattern throughout the week never supported such last minute activity ... so what other reasoning is there behind it, beyond gaming the system so a particular design has another week to sell, and ultimately, profit from? While the bug that was being exploited has since been plugged, the fact that it was done for such a long time when others artists did not resort to doing such says something about an individual's character.

Along with the coincidental aspects of the derby entry in context, those are the deciding factors on my end. Now am I still jumping to conclusions? Yeah. But until I see more substantial evidence to prove otherwise, I stand where I stand.

Despite my comments, I still recommend you do your own homework and then decide for yourself.

Narfcake wrote:However, if you did abide by "the rule" and bought three, there may be a coupon that you can use this week ...

... which that one sale might bump your's down to 21st.

Uh oh, dilemma ...

Woooo bought the Foxes with a coupon. =D Also thanks everyone for buying the Hugster! I'm really happy he hung out for one more week.

Spiritgreen wrote:I didn't read everything but it seemed that:

- Ramy subbed an onion design which turned out to be similar to one Walmazan had on Threadless a year ago

- Walmazan then re-subbed that design here when people encouraged him to emphasize ownership of the idea

- Then it turned out that another onion bullying a brocolli design had been subbed to Threadless before either of them

- Drama ensued in which blame or coincidence was attributed based on who likes who

- Ramy removed his design to end the arguments


My thoughts: People tend to jump to conclusions that fit what they already assume about people.

Coincidences happen when you're working with very simple ideas and cutesey anthropomorphic stuff. It's happened to me. I've finished designs that have turned out to be very similar to old Threadless shirts that I've never seen before (and so I've not subbed them). When artists work with very simple ideas they bump into each other a lot. Considering the thousands upon thousands of shirt designs that are submitted, it's not surprising.

Comedians have the exact same problems with the origins of jokes. Fist fights happen because everyone is claiming ownership of an obvious idea that anyone could, and did, think of.

I doubt Walmazan ever saw the original design. I doubt 'supervillain' Ramy decided that copying a beloved Wooter's work would be an awesome and profitable idea.

The internet. Drama first. Thinking later.

I totally missed this drama, but I suppose that's what happens when you don't pay attention to shirt.woot over a weekend. Thanks for the recap!

My mailperson has come and gone ... no Woot bag

chennai8 wrote:I agree with most of the things. Then, there is something called "Reputation".

Reputation is the key here, sometimes ideas get repeated by different artists and there is no malice involved and it doesn't turn into a huge drama stinkfest on the boards.

The drama stinkfest happens to Ramyb because this issue comes up over and over and over again and people get sick of it. And it's not just from his longtime close association with a prosecuted and banned thief, his own work is often very very derivative and people can easily find the uncannily similar "inspiration".

Just so many different shenanigans over the years damage his reputation to the point that people won't believe his innocence even if he really was.

walmazan wrote:^ Haha I love your recap!

^__^

Coincidences like this happen a lot, don't they? I'm sure you've experienced it since you're so prolific. You've gotta remember that and keep an open mind anytime it happens. Stay grounded, keep that positive attitude, right? :-)

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Oh, and the reason I came into this thread in the first place: I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who picked up my dragons tee this week! I though the reckoning's blade was falling on it for sure.

Spiritgreen wrote:^__^

Coincidences like this happen a lot, don't they? I'm sure you've experienced it since you're so prolific. You've gotta remember that and keep an open mind anytime it happens. Stay grounded, keep that positive attitude, right? :-)

You are totally right!

Spiritgreen wrote:^__^


Oh, and the reason I came into this thread in the first place: I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who picked up my dragons tee this week! I though the reckoning's blade was falling on it for sure.

I just received your "dragons" today and they printed beautifully! Great job!