chumpmagic wrote:snip
I thought you were going to agree to disagree, but your goal is starting to look a little different (although that was clear from the beginning when you chose to single out this design when you know that it is far from the only one that is "guilty" of not utilizing pantone colors).
There is a big difference between an excuse and an opinion. I presented a clear argument that you chose to entirely ignore and simply repeat what you had already stated. Putting words in caps doesn't make it stronger the second time around, it just makes it clear that you are here to argue.
I understand exactly your point, and it's a fair one. And you did ask nicely in the first place. There are certain mistakes that I've made in the past (although the ones you mentioned were not a pantone issue, but rather a halftoning issue, the second of which was actually reprinted because there was a rash appearing on red's legs that was not actually in the print-ready file) and I have learned from them as a designer. The farthest off from what I had intended to design in terms of print colors, however, was on my first print ever, on which I sent woot a file that was pantone adjusted already. Half the colors ended up printing drastically brighter than they looked on my monitor, which disrupted the subtlety of the design that I had intended. With the my second design, I also sent in my file pantone color adjusted, and of the three that I purchased, two had a squirrel that was a light tan color, and the other was an orange color.
Why is this the case? Because woot tinkers with the colors regardless of what is sent to them. On top of that, even if I owned a pantone color book to see the exact colors that will theoretically print, I can guarantee you that at least 99% of the voters do not have access to such a thing and therefore will see something on the shirt that is different from what they see on the monitor, whether the colors are pantones or not. There is a large enough library of pantone colors that designs come out pretty close no matter what shades you choose, especially if the colors selected are not too dark. So you can argue that not choosing pantones will mean that voters are looking at a design that is different from what they will see in print form, but 100% of the time that is the case if pantone colors are selected as well.
I'm not sure what your intentions initially were in making your post, but if this is a noble crusade to make sure pantone colors are used in derby entries, you should reach out a little more and try to "educate" some of the other artists out there who aren't using them as well. I apologize if I have become a bit cynical over the years on woot, but it is extremely difficult for me not to doubt people's intentions at this point when they choose to come after me and condone the same issue everywhere else. I'm sure it was not a coincidence that you chose this entry- maybe it is because it is your favorite shade of green so it stood out to you, and that's fine.
Next week I can give pantones a shot again and see how it goes, but it really doesn't matter. I'm just trying to explain to you that it's a moot point, because it doesn't make a bit of difference in the end and doesn't take any extra work to do, and it also doesn't make it any easier for voters to see how the design will look based on what they see on their monitors. Plus, I understand that the point of pantones is that they are supposed to print the same way every time, but when there is a shirt color underneath, that makes a big difference too. The way a color prints on kelly green is radically different from how it would appear on a white sheet of paper, and I simply don't have the background or experience to select colors based on those types of variations. Add to that the fact that woot has stated before that photoshop's pantones are not particularly accurate, and you can see why I have not been particularly inclined to choose pantone colors myself in my entries. I'll say it one more time, and I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but I choose colors that appear on my screen as close as possible to what I would like to see in print form. If woot can choose colors to fit that image better than I can, then it is better for the consumer and comes closer to the results that I want to achieve. That's all.
Here's my attempt at an agree to disagree on my end, but I can see that you are fired up about this and I'm sure you want to get a last word in, so have at it.
