DianaSprinkle


quality posts: 100 Private Messages DianaSprinkle

As an upside to this maybe the new supplier's White, Creme, and Lemon shirts won't be thin and see through. And I can hope the woman sizes might be made to fit woman with some curves. Both problems with the current blanks.

I've never been a big fan of the AA shirt blanks so I'm not heart broken. Though for the new supplier I'd also prefer an American based company if possible.

amcatanzaro


quality posts: 8 Private Messages amcatanzaro

I've probably purchased 150 shirts from shirt.woot because they are AA tees. I'm not impressed with a change at all. I got screwed with lesser tees from other sites and I'm not interested in that chance here.
Sorry Woot, sounds like you are going to lose a customer here.

I hope someone can start up a tee business using AA tees and the great artists that Woot attracts. I like the fact that there is a turn over of shirts here and lots of designs for my kids.

I wasn't going to stay up. Drat! Foiled again!

Travel in style! Travel in a Woot shirt!

j5


quality posts: 63 Private Messages j5
kevlar51 wrote:For better or worse, that's the state of large corporations. There will never be a point where profits are "good enough." You'll always be rated on how well your profits are increasing, not what they actually are. So as your department reaches a point where business is doing great, you have to start cutting corners to keep "improving." So even if your profits are through the roof, if they dip a bit the next year, you're viewed as troubled, even if "dip a bit" is still in "through the roof" territory

Yeah, that's the state of the union, unfortunately.
Hence my "Adder was right" comment.

move along

MaskedMarvel


quality posts: 11 Private Messages MaskedMarvel
drifitz wrote:Anyone figured out how to get the 3 packs for $14.99? I can only see singles, and clicking "I want 3" brings it up to $23.97...

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm stupid. It's only the random 3 packs for $14.99



No, you aren't. The email is extremely misleading.

csl312


quality posts: 4 Private Messages csl312

@amcatanzaro Honestly, what is stopping woots more popular artists from doing this? I'm sure they would be more expensive and smaller supply but seriously ramyb, and patrickspens themselves could probably be successful, then just add in the other top sellers...

j5


quality posts: 63 Private Messages j5
thumperchick wrote:So a blank shirt costs more than a random print? No thanks.

But 3 random blanks don't.

move along

blue_94_trooper


quality posts: 8 Private Messages blue_94_trooper

Meh...

I can take it or leave it each time.

Slarti59


quality posts: 6 Private Messages Slarti59

I have bought (sometimes for others) a shirt in every one of these colors but Slate. I like the color Slate, do people just usually design on Asphalt instead?




jkaleda


quality posts: 4 Private Messages jkaleda

What? No PINK? Maybe if I buy some cranberry and some white, wash them together, I might get some pink? Anyone?

SPAM in the place that you live.

snwbrd4life


quality posts: 0 Private Messages snwbrd4life

Here I was, all excited to buy three blank shirts with the color of my choice, but darn you for the miscommunication woot, just darn you.

fidelitate


quality posts: 0 Private Messages fidelitate

This bothers me so much, I have to make my first post here.
Not happy to hear about that upcoming change either. I just started a few months ago to buy more shirts here because I love the quality and the fit (and the designs of course). I have my doubts if the new supplier is on par with the AA shirts. When I'm telling friends about shirt.woot and the great shirts they sell here, I'm always emphasizing that they are printing on AA blanks. And even though I don't live in America, I liked that shirt.woot is using national products. I would really hate to see a worsening. I love many designs and designers from this site and I'm already reluctant buying at other shirt sites because of quality and/or overall costs (esp. international shipping) of a shirt.
If quality, fit or maybe even location of manufacture changes for the worse (from my point of view), I'm definitely going to vote with my wallet.

theoneill555


quality posts: 55 Private Messages theoneill555

I love woot shirts and purchase many, as does the whole family. I did the "assume" thing and figured that the reason for the price hike was to continue with the same AA blanks.

Will we get a sample of the new blanks or will we be able to purchase a new blank before they are actually used on a design, to see if we like them?

That's O'neill with two L's *holds up three fingers*

ladysoleil


quality posts: 4 Private Messages ladysoleil
DianaSprinkle wrote:As an upside to this maybe the new supplier's White, Creme, and Lemon shirts won't be thin and see through. And I can hope the woman sizes might be made to fit woman with some curves. Both problems with the current blanks.

I've never been a big fan of the AA shirt blanks so I'm not heart broken. Though for the new supplier I'd also prefer an American based company if possible.



Yeah, as much as I'd like to keep the shirts American made, AA fit is terribly unrealistic for average sized women. I wear a Medium tee in most other brands, Large if I want a little wiggle room, but order XL here- which is still overly tight in the shoulders and bust and in the hips. Don't even get me started about having to make sure I have the super "no show through" bra on to make sure a woot shirt doesn't put it on display. I shouldn't have to think this hard about putting on a tee shirt. It defeats the purpose. So yeah, better women's sizing is the only hope here, or I'm done with shirt.woot for good.

bookworm656


quality posts: 4 Private Messages bookworm656
Narfcake wrote:" As we prepare to make some changes to our shirt supplier" ...

Ummm ... I'm not sure I like the sound of that.



I entirely agree! One of the things I like so much about shirt.woot versus, say, Threadless, is the high-quality shirts that last for a long time through lots of washing and fit me amazingly well. (I finally got my first Threadless shirt for Christmas, and I'm NOT impressed. In addition to costing way more than woot shirts, the fabric is really thin, it's already a bit pilly after just a couple washes, and after the first wash all the hems wrinkled.) Shirt.woot, please don't start using low-quality tees like that!

(EDIT: I think the reason the women's shirts fit me well is because I'm fairly small-chested. Looking at the one I'm wearing right now I can see how it might not work so well for larger-chested women.)

Woot: I'm in it for the monkeys.

djp519


quality posts: 12 Private Messages djp519

I've been very happy with the AA shirts, I wish you'd keep them. If nothing else, I sure hope you continue to offer 3X as a size option with the new supplier.

samuraikiss


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ladysoleil wrote:...AA fit is terribly unrealistic for average sized women. I wear a Medium tee in most other brands, Large if I want a little wiggle room, but order XL here- which is still overly tight in the shoulders and bust and in the hips. Don't even get me started about having to make sure I have the super "no show through" bra on to make sure a woot shirt doesn't put it on display. I shouldn't have to think this hard about putting on a tee shirt...



Have you tried the Men's Small? It fits my every curve perfectly, even though none of the women's sizes do.

If AA blanks are no longer used, no more shirt.woot tees for me. Voting with my wallet.

Eeoraptor


quality posts: 0 Private Messages Eeoraptor

Yeah... definitely not going to buy shirts anymore if you use those scratchy ill fitting shirts that other sites use.

I love the feel and fit of the current shirts. They wash well, and the printing holds up wonderfully. I have shirts from way back in the beginning (Squid Bucket comes to mind)that still look great. Shirts bought from similar sites that old have already gone to GoodWill because they faded too much and got to be like wearing sandpaper

Please reconsider. I'd pay more per shirt in order to keep things the way they are.

xpenguin


quality posts: 6 Private Messages xpenguin

"The color of the shirt that I am wearing is re-re-re....The color of the shirt that I am wearing is Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroyal blue!"

For those who don't get the reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAE7uOO_4v4

spexeh


quality posts: 0 Private Messages spexeh

While I'm really happy to have some AA blanks, I have a feeling this will be my last Woot shirt purchase. The quality and fit of the AA shirts is vastly superior to any of the standard blanks, like Gideon.

gricomet


quality posts: 35 Private Messages gricomet

Well I'd like a fuller statement on the why of the decision. It could be that the issue lies with AA practices/policies/prices/changes. It may not be a profit grab but an actual business necessity (postal rates did just go up again, too). If Shirt.woots prices to buy the blanks have been raised significantly so as to squeeze out a reasonable profit for them, then making a change is understandable. I think we just need Shirt.woot to explain in more detail why this was needed.

ochopika


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ochopika
Narfcake wrote:" As we prepare to make some changes to our shirt supplier" ...

Ummm ... I'm not sure I like the sound of that.



Woot, I love you but I don't like the sound of this either. You're one of the few sites left who sell quality art on american-made shirts. When I first saw this site it looked like Woot was proud to sell shirts made in the USA, which is why I took such a liking to you guys. I hope you stick to your guns with that ideal.

emeycakes


quality posts: 11 Private Messages emeycakes

In for three sets of randoms. I don't have enough plain tees.

But why are so many assuming woot is switching to some cheap, made in China/some country that isn't the US t-shirt supplier? Let's just wait until they tell us more before jumping to conclusions and claiming that they lost a customer. It's a little ridiculous. It would be a shame if they went with a non American company, and it would definitely influence my decision to purchase future shirts, but there's no reason to think they will, or won't, at this point.

I do agree that the AA women's tshirts are really small... I have to order an XL and I am a small/medium in normal shirts.

killerorca


quality posts: 4 Private Messages killerorca

Like many others here I will be very unhappy if woot ends up going to a lower quality blank supplier. If woot can get the same quality while getting a lower price while passing the savings onto us then great, if not well it has been fun.

I do have a few questions for any staff able and willing to answer:

When the change occurs will there be a blog post detailing it?

If not all the blanks are sold will they still be used for reckoning shirts after the change?

Why the change at all?

bookworm656


quality posts: 4 Private Messages bookworm656
zosai wrote:Also, AA has strict rules about not selling un-embellished shirts for less than their retail price. how does that happen?



Maybe it makes a difference that these shirts have woot tags? However it's happening, I'm quite happy to see AA shirts for less than retail price, because the retail price is incredibly stupidly high.

Woot: I'm in it for the monkeys.

goatcrapp


quality posts: 12 Private Messages goatcrapp

I'm optimistic. Before i cry foul - I think to all the times woot has had ***CHANGE*** and how we'd all get up in a huff about it, and somehow, woot remained very attentive to the community we've created and it was all okay.

This isn't just kissing up because i ordered some blanks and would LOVE for woot to consider mostly DARK COLORS FOR ME... :D

Okay, maybe a little - but it's also what i genuinely feel. Woot has created something unique over the past few years, and they are very cognizant of this. For instance, i've bought every random shirt (x3) for the past 3+ years, and they still have a perfect record of NO DUPES. Someone somewhere is paying attention to that, to us, to the community.

So - i'll remain optimistic. Woot knows what it has here, and hasn't been the type of company to risk that by letting quality suffer in the past, so why should they now?

xpenguin


quality posts: 6 Private Messages xpenguin

These blank tees would be good to keep at my desk at work (my gym is 2 blocks away). Considering a blank tee purchase.

haydez


quality posts: 0 Private Messages haydez

I really hope you keep it to an American manufacturer. Otherwise, like others, I'm going to rethink my purchases.

deanokat


quality posts: 1 Private Messages deanokat

No more Woot shirts for me. American Apparel is by far my favorite t-shirt manufacturer. Quality, comfort, fit. They're great. This is really disappointing news. C'mon, Woot! Why ya gotta mess with a good thing??? (Oh, yeah. To make more $$.)

chellemonkey


quality posts: 5 Private Messages chellemonkey

I'm a big fan of the woot team in general so I'm sure this has been well thought out, I just wish they would have given us more info instead of just letting us worry about the "what if"s

thumperchick


quality posts: 145 Private Messages thumperchick

I should point out that before I came across Woot, I wasn't a t-shirt person. I only buy these because the fabric, the fit, AND the design all work for me. If one of those things leaves, I won't have my trifecta and probably won't be buying. The only possible upside for me would be if the new women's sizes accommodated curves, but the quality and fit still needs to be there.

emeycakes wrote:But why are so many assuming woot is switching to some cheap, made in China/some country that isn't the US t-shirt supplier?



Because they haven't said otherwise. The told us the quality is on par, but haven't told us the country of origin. The silence says a lot to me.

nathanwpyle


quality posts: 36 Private Messages nathanwpyle

Woot, I believe you care about where and how the tees are made, so I'm hopeful as we wait to see what the new change is.

starstuff


quality posts: 0 Private Messages starstuff

Here is another voice stating that if Woot goes overseas for their shirts then they will lose my business. I've have bought many Woot shirts and my fiancee says I have too many, to which I reply of course that there is no such thing as too many.

However, if the new Woot shirts are not made in America then my Woot shirt collection makes an abrupt stop. Given the state of our economy, it is too important of an issue to ensure that the jobs stay in America.

citizencoyote


quality posts: 42 Private Messages citizencoyote
jkaleda wrote:What? No PINK? Maybe if I buy some cranberry and some white, wash them together, I might get some pink? Anyone?



Woot has never offered pink as a shirt color as far as I know.

Count me on the side of dubious feelings about this change. I like the fit, feel, and quality of the AA blanks, it's one reason I kept ordering Woot shirts over some other site (that and the designs). I also like that they're domestically made, and not shipped in on some slow boat from... somewhere.

Please Woot. If you must change, switch to another *domestic* supplier with the same quality and comfort of AA. If your new supplier is foreign (or thin/scratchy/fades worse than Nevermore), I'm gonna have to vote with my wallet and say goodbye. The best design in the world is useless on a bad blank.

Laureenmt


quality posts: 15 Private Messages Laureenmt
joelterrific wrote:The transition will be predicated on how quickly we can work through the stock, but I'm anticipating the announcement later this week. Change is never easy, but I hope to reassure that we'll be maintaining the same quality and workmanship you've come to expect.



You may have heard that many of us are interested not only in the "quality and workmanship" but also the fit and buying shirts made in the USA!

geeq


quality posts: 2 Private Messages geeq

I've been wooting for about a year, and hit up 100+ sales in that time. (You should see my closet)

That being said, some of the designs were iffy so far this year, and that slowed my purchase rate.

Then the price raised to $12, and that slowed it even further.

The shirt quality will be the deciding factor.

I've bought shirts from other sites in the past, and the fit just sucks. They always shrink weird and I never feel comfortable in the shirt after the first wash.

shirt.woot should send out blanks of the new shirts to consistent customers to check size/shrinkage, instead of asking us to potentially waste money on the first couple designs we order on the new blanks.

If they don't fit, I'm done wooting

bluejester


quality posts: 530 Private Messages bluejester
goatcrapp wrote:I'm optimistic. Before i cry foul - I think to all the times woot has had ***CHANGE*** and how we'd all get up in a huff about it, and somehow, woot remained very attentive to the community we've created and it was all okay.

This isn't just kissing up because i ordered some blanks and would LOVE for woot to consider mostly DARK COLORS FOR ME... :D

Okay, maybe a little - but it's also what i genuinely feel. Woot has created something unique over the past few years, and they are very cognizant of this. For instance, i've bought every random shirt (x3) for the past 3+ years, and they still have a perfect record of NO DUPES. Someone somewhere is paying attention to that, to us, to the community.

So - i'll remain optimistic. Woot knows what it has here, and hasn't been the type of company to risk that by letting quality suffer in the past, so why should they now?



Mostly, I feel the same way here. Woot has been a decently quality company in the past and their staffers are great when it comes to interacting with the community members--whether long timers or those brand new to the site. I think that they are well aware of our concerns about the change, but might be a little surprised at how vocal and concerned we are about the possibility of losing a quality, homegrown manufacturer like AA.

As such, I don't think that they take this decision lightly. For people decrying them as "simply wanting to line their wallets" or "screwing the customer for profit" I think that you've lost perspective more than woot has. Sorry if what follows is a bit long, but here goes:

The Netflix comparison holds no water here. We got a response from Joel that same evening. It may have only been a brief response to let us know that a more detailed response was coming later in the week, but the woot staff was on top of things rather than a perfunctory, "Because we can" letter from Jason Toon. Woot started offering an assortment of long sleeve tees and hoodies (even totes and posters) at the beginning of the year, thereby increasing--at least in my opinion--the quality of services offered. They didn't reduce shirt output and brush off our concerns.

I hate that they might be going to a non-US supplier, but that decision can't have been easy to make either. I think that Kevlar hit it on the head with his comments about the basic needs of the company. The economy isn't that great right now. Heck, in the last six months we've had Borders go out of business (much to my sorrow) and Hostess file for bankruptcy just to name a couple of the more recognizable companies that have fallen under hard times. I'm not sure that woot is having a hard time financially, but I am sure that if they aren't, they don't want to end up there.

Furthermore, Woot may have been bought by Amazon, but they are still fairly autonomous as near I can tell. Which in turn means that they have to keep themselves "alive" under their own power. I think that woot boasts something like 200 employees. Total. It's just plain disappointing when people start tossing around "the man" type language when we're still talking about a relatively small business here. I've never gotten the impression that Toon and Rutledge have private money bins that they go swimming through on the weekend. Please don't buy that hype. Given the community interaction, and word of mouth sales that woot likely relies on, why, in hard economic times, would they make decisions that would possibly alienate their base but not offer a quick and upbeat solution? Or at least benifits with the change, such as the much longed for long sleeved tees and hoodies?

I am hoping that they go back to AA blanks when the economy improves and that perhaps, in the mean time, that they find another American textile company. I'll stick with woot to see what's happening. Losing AA might sadden me, but after a night's sleep, and a bit of mulling, I come back to the basic thought that "patience is a virtue." So, I wait patiently to see what follows, and I am hoping for the best.

jagendorf


quality posts: 8 Private Messages jagendorf

Read my lips. No new shirt suppliers!

Bilyum it up all day long!

adamselby


quality posts: 2 Private Messages adamselby

The death of AA and heather grey in the same day? Sad day for Wooters.

annewaterman


quality posts: 3 Private Messages annewaterman

Ugh...as if Mondays didn't already suck...then we get this news?! (Ok, a little over-dramatic, I know)

What I'm most concerned about by changing supplier is that even if the quality of the cotton remains the same...there is a 99% chance that the sizing wont.

New supplier=new shirt measurements...which means that the shirts wont fit the same

AA has a fit that is very unique to AA and we've all gotten used to what size fits us best (granted the ladies shirts have more of a pre-teen-boy-fit). My husband is a chronic wooter and I know he'll be mighty POed...as AA shirts fit him like a dream and aren't too long, baggy, saggy, scratchy etc etc.

Woot, do you know how hard it is to find a man a shirt that he LOVES and wants to wear everyday? Near impossible! Please don't take that away from me!!

dcroe05


quality posts: 12 Private Messages dcroe05

While potential change is always a stressor for me, for now I'll stay in the wait-and-see camp.

While I like the quality of the AA blanks, I'll be the first to admit that the are POTENTIAL good reasons to make the change.

1. Maybe they're moving to a different set of AA blanks. Based on the wording I kinda doubt this but it's possible.

2. Maybe they want a feature that AA doesn't offer, such as tagless shirts (this is off the top of my head so I don't know if AA offers this).

3. Maybe they're listening to the constant (and valid) griping my the ladies who don't like the fit or lack of privacy offered by the current blanks.

4. Do any of us think that AA are the best blanks out there? I'm not sure if I do. They could always be looking to improve the blanks. Although the history of American capitalism makes this option seem kinda naive.

I'm not in the camp that thinks the shirt HAS to be American-made. I'd be satisfied as long as they pick blanks made somewhere where the workers get decent pay. Though the addition of shipping probably means that if they're not US-made they'll have to buy cheaper ones.

But I will say this. I was ok with the $2 price hike. But if I have to bear a price increase AND a quality downgrade, then I'll have to seriously consider future purchases.

For now I will keep in mind that in the 1.5 years that that I've been here, every time I've needed customer service they've stepped up. I sincerely hope that this change is a continuation of that, and they are trying to improve the quality of their product.