Derby #33: Lyrics Illustrated
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Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles

Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles
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jamescho84


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What a terrible waste would this be if it didn't even show up on the shirt right? I don't think by adding this highlight throws anything on the design off - I'm pretty sure it'll look badass when it's printed. If it does anyway. Thanks for the votes and caring about Ol Rocky.

superspryte


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jamescho84 wrote:What a terrible waste would this be if it didn't even show up on the shirt right? I don't think by adding this highlight throws anything on the design off - I'm pretty sure it'll look badass when it's printed. If it does anyway. Thanks for the votes and caring about Ol Rocky.

Much better. ^_^

w: 7 | t.w: 1 | h.w: 1 | tg.w: 0 | sp.w: 0 | a.w: 0 | k.w: 0 | s.w: 15 | w.w: 15 | so.w: 2

Andy47240


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Still just as awesome, maybe even better.
-Andy



bluchez


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jamescho84 wrote:What a terrible waste would this be if it didn't even show up on the shirt right? I don't think by adding this highlight throws anything on the design off - I'm pretty sure it'll look badass when it's printed. If it does anyway. Thanks for the votes and caring about Ol Rocky.


Great Resub. Worth the resub just to make your title and image appear properly in the comments thread. I love the concept AND execution, great job.

tgentry


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I agree with all the comments, I think this works even better than the first one. It pops off the shirt a lot more. Hope to see it in print and in my closet.

jimiyo


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i can see that you are a perfectionist.

this... this will make you a great artist!

but woe, the futile search for perfection, this this, shall make you unendingly unahppy. but man! you'll be able to draw some really awesome shtuff.

seriously. fantastic. brown shirts do eat dark designs, so im glad you fixed it, since you know... its gonna win.

Jemmacakes


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Kuiosikle


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Zorro22


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Kuiosikle wrote:Huzzah for highlight!


wow...best entry hands down. GMV and good luck!

We must not fear daylight just because it almost always illuminates a miserable world. - René Magritte

nyadolla


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Nice shirt, hope it does well. I'm not sure why, but I generally like smaller graphics on my shirts. It must be a scale and proportion issue. If there was any criticism I'd have about your shirt, is that graphic might be a bit smaller instead of taking up most of the front. Great effort though!

jonomc


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my favorite shirt this derby Mr Cho, great job, also one of the greatest ballads of all time.

jbedwar1


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Thank you so much for redoing it Cho. You have my vote now for sure. I didn't get a chance to read the replies on the other one after i made the comment about the colors, so i dont know if anyone was dogging me or whatever.... but i'm REALLY glad you resubbed it.
Well done as always.

redghia69


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Resub'd huh? Still awesome. Voting again!

soothedbyrainfall


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This is by far my favorite shirt of the derby and I think my favorite of all of your designs so far. It doesn't hurt that I particularly love this song, this band and this animal. Heck, one of my daughter's favorite words is "raccoon" so I'm pretty much destined to own this shirt. Vote it up people!!!

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tgentry


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soothedbyrainfall wrote:This is by far my favorite shirt of the derby and I think my favorite of all of your designs so far. It doesn't hurt that I particularly love this song, this band and this animal. Heck, one of my daughter's favorite words is "raccoon" so I'm pretty much destined to own this shirt. Vote it up people!!!


Agreed soothed, it's the perfect storm of shirt design for me. I really hope the voting picks up steam on this one.

Andy47240


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tgentry wrote:Agreed soothed, it's the perfect storm of shirt design for me. I really hope the voting picks up steam on this one.


I think it will be fine. Voting in general has been way down this weekend for some reason.
-Andy



jamescho84


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jbedwar1 wrote:Thank you so much for redoing it Cho. You have my vote now for sure. I didn't get a chance to read the replies on the other one after i made the comment about the colors, so i dont know if anyone was dogging me or whatever.... but i'm REALLY glad you resubbed it.
Well done as always.


Hey, thank you there. I think this might be the first shirt of mine that I've seen you like, so I'm pretty happy. I'm glad you pointed it out, I don't think I would've changed it if you didnt.

SBR / Tgentry / redghia / andy / jono / nyadolla / zorro / kuiosikle / jemma / jimi /bluchez / spryte : thanks a lot!.

haxrox


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I'm always amazed at what you're able to do with just 6 colors. Fantastic work, and I think you've struck gold with this "Mammals Trained to Fight" theme.

kkrflint


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My brother and I used to sing this song constantly. I'm in for two and they aren't even printed yet.

Jemmacakes


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haxrox wrote:I'm always amazed at what you're able to do with just 6 colors. Fantastic work, and I think you've struck gold with this "Mammals Trained to Fight" theme.


Trained?

These mammals have an agenda!

:D

klswoot


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James! I wish you would have submitted this one before the Kung Fu cats. I want the racoon. Wish they could swap places. I think this is one of your best entries to date.

Josephus


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klswoot wrote:James! I wish you would have submitted this one before the Kung Fu cats. I want the racoon. Wish they could swap places. I think this is one of your best entries to date.


I agree completely. I can't buy it, because of the cigarette, but if it weren't for that, this would be the first of your shirts I've bought for myself. I just bought the second of the twofers for my wife and daughter yesterday.

jamescho84


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thanks dudes. Sorry for the cig, I quit a month and a half ago myself {after 7 years}, but felt it was Rocky :D. It's cool Josephus, and thanks for your comments {all of you}

allawayr


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jamescho84 wrote:thanks dudes. Sorry for the cig, I quit a month and a half ago myself {after 7 years}, but felt it was Rocky :D. It's cool Josephus, and thanks for your comments {all of you}


Fantastic song, fantastic shirt - hoping this gets into the fog soon! I personally like this more than Kung Fu Cats (even though I think that's well done). I like this song more.


GMV + GM$10

brizz


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jamescho84 wrote:thanks dudes. Sorry for the cig, I quit a month and a half ago myself {after 7 years}, but felt it was Rocky :D. It's cool Josephus, and thanks for your comments {all of you}


the cig really makes it imho. gives him an edge

jbedwar1


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Josephus wrote:I agree completely. I can't buy it, because of the cigarette, but if it weren't for that, this would be the first of your shirts I've bought for myself. I just bought the second of the twofers for my wife and daughter yesterday.


Just tell people he's chewing on a stick.

peppersagooddog


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brizz wrote:the cig really makes it imho. gives him an edge





agreed.
it adds to the personification of a perfectly proportioned coonperson.

Josephus


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brizz wrote:the cig really makes it imho. gives him an edge


what can I say? I'm a pulmonary physiologist. I volunteer with an online COPD support group. Cigarettes have killed more people than any other 'edgy', hip, cool, bad-assed, etc, habit there ever was. My professional ethics would never allow me to wear it.
It's a shame, because I really like it otherwise.

bluchez


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Josephus wrote:what can I say? I'm a pulmonary physiologist. I volunteer with an online COPD support group. Cigarettes have killed more people than any other 'edgy', hip, cool, bad-assed, etc, habit there ever was. My professional ethics would never allow me to wear it.
It's a shame, because I really like it otherwise.


Take into account that rocky is down on his luck and only has one more verse to live, so he's not really thinkin straight or riskin much? (maybe?)

Josephus


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bluchez wrote:Take into account that rocky only has one more verse to live, so he's not really riskin much? (maybe?)


bluchez wrote:Take into account that rocky is down on his luck and only has one more verse to live, so he's not really thinkin straight or riskin much? (maybe?)


The problem is not with Rocky- he can die however he likes. If he'd rather kill himself with cigarettes, that's fine. However, putting cigarettes on 'cool' creatures like this awesome Rocky, and all the hip people in movies, and on TV, helps to encourage the kids to think smoking is OK. Well, it's not. It is far from OK. I say this not as a personal opinion, but as a professional opinion. Smoking is worse for you than pretty much anything you can do to yourself. OK, perhaps cocaine might be more rapidly fatal. If there is anything I do that may increase the chance of someone, anyone, to either continue smoking, or start smoking, then I am not acting responsibly.

Anyway, according to Rocky, it's only a scratch. ;^)

stannley


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Josephus wrote:If there is anything I do that may increase the chance of someone, anyone, to either continue smoking, or start smoking, then I am not acting responsibly.

I have to agree with this, I used to have a black and white picture that was an out take shot from the Newton Boys, actor (forget his name) had a gun pointing at the camera and a cigarette hanging out of the month and it was hanging so it pointed at anyone who entered my room. I thought it looked cool and edgy with the cigarette and all . I took it down when my son (age 6) said something about the cigarette. Kids notice a lot. I posted this on the original one but that is my main gripe with the shirt, I would vote for this if I could but it for him but I can't

jamescho84


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You're right. I always forget the demographic here is parents with kids. And in no way would I want to promote that in a design. I was really on and off about submitting it here, and now I can't even remove it. Not that it matters - because it's stuck in a 60 day prison. God I hate this world. Maybe I can add some more stuff in the back and submit it somewhere else? Has anyone done that yet?

stannley


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jamescho84 wrote:You're right. I always forget the demographic here is parents with kids. And in no way would I want to promote that in a design. I was really on and off about submitting it here, and now I can't even remove it. Not that it matters - because it's stuck in a 60 day prison. God I hate this world. Maybe I can add some more stuff in the back and submit it somewhere else? Has anyone done that yet?


Good on ya for quitting BTW, read that earlier. Change it to him pointing the gun and I think it would make an excellent poster Who knows, maybe woot would be willing to let you change the cigarette to a toothpick or something if you asked, I really think that is holding this shirt down a bit because woooo doggie it is a fantastic piece of art.

AdderXYU


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stannley wrote:I have to agree with this, I used to have a black and white picture that was an out take shot from the Newton Boys, actor (forget his name) had a gun pointing at the camera and a cigarette hanging out of the month and it was hanging so it pointed at anyone who entered my room. I thought it looked cool and edgy with the cigarette and all . I took it down when my son (age 6) said something about the cigarette. Kids notice a lot. I posted this on the original one but that is my main gripe with the shirt, I would vote for this if I could but it for him but I can't


I kind of love how the poster had a gun pointing, but it was the CIGARETTE which was the offending item. Don't get me wrong, I'm rather vehemently anti-smoking, but I'd rather have my kid, if I had one, make some bad mistakes with cigs than some bad mistakes with guns.

Josephus


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AdderXYU wrote:I kind of love how the poster had a gun pointing, but it was the CIGARETTE which was the offending item. Don't get me wrong, I'm rather vehemently anti-smoking, but I'd rather have my kid, if I had one, make some bad mistakes with cigs than some bad mistakes with guns.


edit: me just being less than clever; i.e., doh! I've removed the offending remarks, and apologize. never mind.
(some really dumb comments that weren't appropriate and were just dumb.)

stannley


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AdderXYU wrote:I kind of love how the poster had a gun pointing, but it was the CIGARETTE which was the offending item. Don't get me wrong, I'm rather vehemently anti-smoking, but I'd rather have my kid, if I had one, make some bad mistakes with cigs than some bad mistakes with guns.


The cigarette actually doesn't offend me, it just makes for a shirt I can't buy for my son and can't send him to school in. The Lego Star Wars shirt with a light saber battle is fine oddly enough. And I have never thought/been as concerned about the gun portion of that picture because even Disney movies have people shooting guns at each other but tis a valid point.

soothedbyrainfall


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I would have no qualms whatsoever about wearing this shirt in front of my 3 yr old. I don't smoke and neither does my husband and we certainly will raise her NOT to smoke as well so I highly doubt that she's so very impressionable that this one shirt would tip the balance. The cigarette suits the song and the implied era of the story being told in the song, plus it's a pretty subtle part of the design.

Also, Rocky Raccoon is a rather pathetic character in the song so I'm not sure why anyone would especially aspire to be like him, heh.

soothedbyrainfall.net

Josephus


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superspryte wrote:I believe he was talking about this, not you:


stannley wrote:I have to agree with this, I used to have a black and white picture that was an out take shot from the Newton Boys, actor (forget his name) had a gun pointing at the camera and a cigarette hanging out of the month and it was hanging so it pointed at anyone who entered my room. I thought it looked cool and edgy with the cigarette and all . I took it down when my son (age 6) said something about the cigarette. Kids notice a lot. I posted this on the original one but that is my main gripe with the shirt, I would vote for this if I could but it for him but I can't :^(


Doh! You're right. I rewrote my post, apologized, and apologize again here. sorry about my misunderstanding the post, which was quite good.

Josephus


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soothedbyrainfall wrote:I would have no qualms whatsoever about wearing this shirt in front of my 3 yr old. I don't smoke and neither does my husband and we certainly will raise her NOT to smoke as well so I highly doubt that she's so very impressionable that this one shirt would tip the balance. The cigarette suits the song and the implied era of the story being told in the song, plus it's a pretty subtle part of the design.

Also, Rocky Raccoon is a rather pathetic character in the song so I'm not sure why anyone would especially aspire to be like him, heh.


The problem with depictions of cool characters that smoke is not with 3 yr olds, but with 8, 9, and 10 yr olds, and older. and the problem is with people casually displaying cigarettes like this, in public, where other kids will see it. It implies your approval of smoking, as well as shows this amazing character smoking. Who wouldn't want to be as tough and as cool as the Rocky Raccoon depicted on this shirt? I'm not trying to tell you not to wear the shirt in front of your kids, though I think that's a bad idea for an important role model. I'm saying that as a pulmonary expert I couldn't ethically wear such a shirt, nor could I not comment about it.

soothedbyrainfall


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Josephus wrote:The problem with depictions of cool characters that smoke is not with 3 yr olds, but with 8, 9, and 10 yr olds, and older. and the problem is with people casually displaying cigarettes like this, in public, where other kids will see it. It implies your approval of smoking, as well as shows this amazing character smoking. Who wouldn't want to be as tough and as cool as the Rocky Raccoon depicted on this shirt? I'm not trying to tell you not to wear the shirt in front of your kids, though I think that's a bad idea for an important role model. I'm saying that as a pulmonary expert I couldn't ethically wear such a shirt, nor could I not comment about it.


I get where you're coming from really but I also think the whole, "Won't somebody please think of the children?!" is a bit much. Why stop at the smoking aspect when this shirt also tacitly promotes wild west style vigilante justice and hey, look a cute personified raccoon! Next time I see one in my yard I should pet it and make it my friend!

Holy crap, this shirt could singlehandedly lead to increases in children smoking, gun violence and rabies!!!

I stand by what I said earlier in that it's not that noticeable in the design and if some kid did point it out I'd say the smoking is probably why Rocky's woman ran off with another guy...make it into an object lesson of how smoking is NOT cool

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Josephus


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soothedbyrainfall wrote:I get where you're coming from really but I also think the whole, "Won't somebody please think of the children?!" is a bit much. Why stop at the smoking aspect when this shirt also tacitly promotes wild west style vigilante justice and hey, look a cute personified raccoon! Next time I see one in my yard I should pet it and make it my friend!

Holy crap, this shirt could singlehandedly lead to increases in children smoking, gun violence and rabies!!!

I stand by what I said earlier in that it's not that noticeable in the design and if some kid did point it out I'd say the smoking is probably why Rocky's woman ran off with another guy...make it into an object lesson of how smoking is NOT cool


I guess the issue here is that from my perspective, even one person who starts smoking or doesn't quit because they saw me in this shirt, or you, or anyone else wearing it, and they thought a little bit that it was cool, is one person too many. I'm really not trying to argue with you about this, I only have stated my professional opinion about it.

I appreciate that you like the shirt and want to wear it. I think you're mistaken in your reasoning, but so what? my opinion really doesn't matter to you. As I said from the very first, I'm bummed that I couldn't possibly wear it myself. Do you have any concept of what it would be like if anyone who knew me saw me wearing a shirt with someone smoking on it? I'd never hear the end of it from many people, and anyone I knew professionally would always think less of me.

as I would myself.

sebing


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Josephus wrote:I guess the issue here is that from my perspective, even one person who starts smoking or doesn't quit because they saw me in this shirt, or you, or anyone else wearing it, and they thought a little bit that it was cool, is one person too many. I'm really not trying to argue with you about this, I only have stated my professional opinion about it.

I appreciate that you like the shirt and want to wear it. I think you're mistaken in your reasoning, but so what? my opinion really doesn't matter to you. As I said from the very first, I'm bummed that I couldn't possibly wear it myself. Do you have any concept of what it would be like if anyone who knew me saw me wearing a shirt with someone smoking on it? I'd never hear the end of it from many people, and anyone I knew professionally would always think less of me.

as I would myself.


If a person decided to start smoking because they saw a racoon on a tshirt smoking, they have far bigger problems than smoking. This is such a ridiculous red herring it just annoys the heck out of me whenever its brought up. I appreciate 100% your sentiment against smoking, but to suggest that something this innocuous has the power to overwhelm the will of humanity is patently flawed disingenuous logic. You are speaking to the same view that believes it is the government's job to protect individuals from themselves, which is a scary position to take.

It's fine that you wouldn't wear it for whatever reason you chose. Great! But don't for a second pass on this garbage about it influencing children to smoke. I have children - i actually talk to them about things like this. Shockingly, they don't see things on tshirts and immediately run out and do them.

bluchez


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sebing wrote:If a person decided to start smoking because they saw a racoon on a tshirt smoking, they have far bigger problems than smoking. This is such a ridiculous red herring it just annoys the heck out of me whenever its brought up. I appreciate 100% your sentiment against smoking, but to suggest that something this innocuous has the power to overwhelm the will of humanity is patently flawed disingenuous logic. You are speaking to the same view that believes it is the government's job to protect individuals from themselves, which is a scary position to take.

It's fine that you wouldn't wear it for whatever reason you chose. Great! But don't for a second pass on this garbage about it influencing children to smoke. I have children - i actually talk to them about things like this. Shockingly, they don't see things on tshirts and immediately run out and do them.


After reading all of those posts by Josephus, I really wanted to say something like this. Darn your for beating me to the punch, and stating it so eloquently. I do understand your hatred of smoking, Josephus, I do not smoke, and will be damn sure my children won't smoke. I do not feel like a T-Shirt will override my parenting skills, though.

Edit: And just for the record (since I find Josephus's post below mine), I did not find your post personal or attacking at all.

Josephus


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sebing wrote:If a person decided to start smoking because they saw a racoon on a tshirt smoking, they have far bigger problems than smoking. This is such a ridiculous red herring it just annoys the heck out of me whenever its brought up. I appreciate 100% your sentiment against smoking, but to suggest that something this innocuous has the power to overwhelm the will of humanity is patently flawed disingenuous logic. You are speaking to the same view that believes it is the government's job to protect individuals from themselves, which is a scary position to take.

It's fine that you wouldn't wear it for whatever reason you chose. Great! But don't for a second pass on this garbage about it influencing children to smoke. I have children - i actually talk to them about things like this. Shockingly, they don't see things on tshirts and immediately run out and do them.


sigh. This is a fine example of someone not previously involved trying to heat up the discussion into an argument by getting personal.
I last commented to SBR

I think you're mistaken in your reasoning, but so what? my opinion really doesn't matter to you.

I don't think that was an expression of anything except a difference of opinion. If she felt otherwise, I'm sure she'd say so.

From somewhere else, out of the discussion altogether, you came in with
sebing wrote:...This is such a ridiculous red herring it just annoys the heck out of me whenever its brought up. ...
...patently flawed disingenuous logic...
...don't for a second pass on this garbage about it influencing children to smoke....


Frankly, you are being rude, and inflammatory, and all for what exactly? Because I said I couldn't wear the shirt, because I felt it encouraged smoking?
-and I'm a pulmonary research scientist- imagine that I might have that opinion!
It shouldn't be surprising either that my opinion is an educated one, and certainly not disingenuous.

Your anecdote is great. Kids whose parents don't smoke are a lot less likely to smoke. Additionally, kids whose parents talk to them about stuff that's bad for them are less likely to do the bad stuff- it's no surprise that your kids wouldn't smoke.

Nonetheless, kids are influenced by what they see, and this shirt would have some influence if they saw it. Whether you think my position is specious or not, I am certainly entitled to it without being mocked for it.

bluchez


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Josephus wrote:by getting personal.


Well, while I was unable to read them, you edited your posts and appologized vehemently for it, so I can only assume that you might have gotten a bit personal in some of your own posts?

MikeHoncho


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Mike Honcho didn't think it was possible... but Mike Honcho has just fallen in love with a shirt. This one is super-awesome.

Josephus


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bluchez wrote:Well, while I was unable to read them, you edited your posts and appologized vehemently for it, so I can only assume that you might have gotten a bit personal in some of your own posts?


Somehow, that assumption doesn't surprise me at all.

I edited my comment so as to remove the inflammatory response it's false premise would have engendered.

I didn't edit the quoted response, and assumed it was still there-though whoever quoted it might have. I'm not a mod, and I can't do that. Anyway, I had thought Adder had given his response about my previous comment, though he was commenting with wit about the other person's post, me occasionally being stupid and all, and I acknowledged/confessed to having put a gun in my Jed Clampett shirt. Then I said I was removing the Jed Clampett shirt to avoid any support for my being inconsistent. As you can see by the rejection reason, Joel removed it for me, as I asked.
I apologized because I was wrong, despite the taking of responsibility for one's actions being a pretty foreign concept around here.


geekfactor12


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Josephus wrote:I guess the issue here is that from my perspective, even one person who starts smoking or doesn't quit because they saw me in this shirt, or you, or anyone else wearing it, and they thought a little bit that it was cool, is one person too many. I'm really not trying to argue with you about this, I only have stated my professional opinion about it.

I appreciate that you like the shirt and want to wear it. I think you're mistaken in your reasoning, but so what? my opinion really doesn't matter to you. As I said from the very first, I'm bummed that I couldn't possibly wear it myself. Do you have any concept of what it would be like if anyone who knew me saw me wearing a shirt with someone smoking on it? I'd never hear the end of it from many people, and anyone I knew professionally would always think less of me.

as I would myself.


I agree with Josephus, actually. Not about smoking, but about making a decision about voting for or buying a shirt based on a relatively minor graphic element. I've definitely refrained from voting on shirts for what looked like to me to be a bad placement, poor color choice, or shoddy construction (and yes, sometimes these elements were so small it was unlikely to be noticed by anyone but me). Since I work with aesthetics, I take that really seriously and it means more to me than it might to someone else. I think Josephus's smoking issue is similar in that sense, in that because of his profession he doesn't feel comfortable promoting anything that might lead others to smoke (or, in my version, make crappy visuals).

Mine is a more ridiculous example, but I think the point stands- everyone has some issue that they're particularly vigilant about. Josephus's is smoking, and I have a lot of respect for his choice.

AlanSmitheeESQ


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geekfactor12 wrote:..but about making a decision about voting for or buying a shirt based on a relatively minor graphic element. I've definitely refrained from voting on shirts for what looked like to me to be a bad placement, poor color choice, or shoddy construction..


This is a plea for constructive criticism or constructive help for those of us who don't have an eye for placement or color. Perhaps in a thread titled "What make a good shirt" or something.


EDIT: something like what jamescho84 wrote above but more detailed.

geekfactor12


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AlanSmitheeESQ wrote:This is a plea for constructive criticism or constructive help for those of us who don't have an eye for placement or color. Perhaps in a thread titled "What make a good shirt" or something.


EDIT: something like what jamescho84 wrote above but more detailed.


The best thing I can suggest is to really think critically about what things you like in a shirt design, both in your own work and in shirts by others. Go to a big site like Threadless, Design By Humans or Uneetee and pick out a few of your favorites- then write down what you like about them (subject matter, style, color, placement or technique). With enough time and effort, even the most advanced work is achievable by most people. Adding elements of what you've learned from this in to your own designs is probably the best way to grow as a designer, at least in terms of a weekly contest like this. Something else to try is getting friends to critique your work (or, if your friends aren't big on shirts, get some help in the forums). Sometimes a fresh pair of eyes or two are what takes a design from good to great.

I'm really hesitant to give specific advice, mainly because what makes a successful shirt varies pretty wildly from one consumer to the next. But for a look at the basics, I think new shirt designers can learn a lot from the shirt design guide at Almightys. I think the general guidelines they provide are a great starting point.

sebing


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geekfactor12 wrote:I agree with Josephus, actually. Not about smoking, but about making a decision about voting for or buying a shirt based on a relatively minor graphic element. I've definitely refrained from voting on shirts for what looked like to me to be a bad placement, poor color choice, or shoddy construction (and yes, sometimes these elements were so small it was unlikely to be noticed by anyone but me). Since I work with aesthetics, I take that really seriously and it means more to me than it might to someone else. I think Josephus's smoking issue is similar in that sense, in that because of his profession he doesn't feel comfortable promoting anything that might lead others to smoke (or, in my version, make crappy visuals).

Mine is a more ridiculous example, but I think the point stands- everyone has some issue that they're particularly vigilant about. Josephus's is smoking, and I have a lot of respect for his choice.


I don't have one iota of a problem with his opinion of smoking - indeed i applaud it. However, the second he went from *I* would never wear it to "Shirts like this make kids smoke!" he took the focus away from his opinion and threw out a blanket statement that demanded a rebuke - because it's just plain wrong. racoon shirts don't make kids smoke. I guess I was just speaking to the tendency of people in this nation to look everywhere possible for someone or something to blame a problem on, all the while blindly carrying on without looking at themselves - where the real problem exists. If your kids take up smoking, it's not because of a shirt, or a tv show, or a movie, etc etc. We'll NEVER be able to solve problems like that looking for straw men so we don't have to look inward. This country is absolutely fantastic at placing blame on all kinds of crap rather than honestly appraising the issue.

So i'm sorry if you took offense josephus, but you seem like a smart guy, and i'm sure you can see I was not speaking to your personal preference, but the insinuation that wearing a tshirt can somehow contribute to the moral decay of society. It's just not true. Keep fighting the good fight, but not at woot, for that's a wasted effort.

I hope people don't get too hung up on the cigarette and see this for the great shirt it is. I wouldn't hesitate to wear it around my kids, and if they asked i'd tell them poor rocky died of cancer just after the shirt was made.

no1


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sebing wrote:I don't have one iota of a problem with his opinion of smoking - indeed i applaud it. However, the second he went from *I* would never wear it to "Shirts like this make kids smoke!"

Not to beat this horse any more, but where did he do that?

Honestly curious, I'm just too lazy to go through all the long-winded posts here.

jimiyo


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no1 wrote:Not to beat this horse any more, but where did he do that?

Honestly curious, I'm just too lazy to go through all the long-winded posts here.


i wonder if there was once a horrible person who beat the caca out of his deceased horse for this "beating a dead horse" saying to come about. i bet that dude was messed up in the head. and i hope he didnt try that on a cow after he got wirts leg and warped to the cow level, cause those cows... Blow up. i digress.

as far as the issue of how this shirt might affect society...

maybe it will cause regular smokers to evaluate the rolling their own cigarettes, beedies that is, to save money, which in effect, if enough smokers change, will greatly reduce the profit of the major tobacco companies, as well as reducing the damage they inflict on themselves as bulk tobacco contains less additives, chemicals, burners, etc.

let's hope for the future of the smokers of america, that this, be printed.

although, i hope, this doesnt cause people to want to carry rifles on their shoulders. if done long term, this may cause carpel tunnel as the repetitive stress is applied, and the abnormal angle at which it would have to be carried.

it is a very ying and yang shirt isnt it? the good things it will cause by being in existence will weigh equally to the destruction it will bring to the world.

no1


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jimiyo wrote:maybe it will cause regular smokers to evaluate the rolling their own cigarettes, beedies that is, to save money, which in effect, if enough smokers change, will greatly reduce the profit of the major tobacco companies, as well as reducing the damage they inflict on themselves as bulk tobacco contains less additives, chemicals, burners, etc.


Hmm... how do we know that's tobacco in that there cig?

jimiyo


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no1 wrote:Hmm... how do we know that's tobacco in that there cig?


good question.

well, if IT IS that other stuff....

maybe if it gets printed, people will smoke more.... stuff...

it will be beneficial here in the forums....

make people chill out.

ZING!

heheh

2thFairy


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jimiyo wrote:good question.

well, if IT IS that other stuff....

maybe if it gets printed, people will smoke more.... stuff...

it will be beneficial here in the forums....

make people chill out.

ZING!

heheh


Cheers!

bluchez


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jimiyo wrote:i wonder if there was once a horrible person who beat the caca out of his deceased horse for this "beating a dead horse" saying to come about. i bet that dude was messed up in the head. and i hope he didnt try that on a cow after he got wirts leg and warped to the cow level, cause those cows... Blow up. i digress.


I want to get back to this cow thing. I mean, how on earth could someone remember wirt's leg and bring it up in conversation? Besides that, how many times could someone make it to the cow level and not have enough trainers turned on that they were invulnerable, thus making cow beating a perfectly safe activity?

On Topic: I hope rocky doesn't catch his fur on fire. I don't know of many animals with thick coats that smoke, so it worries me that he might be a fire hazard.

Josephus


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bluchez wrote:I want to get back to this cow thing. I mean, how on earth could someone remember wirt's leg and bring it up in conversation? Besides that, how many times could someone make it to the cow level and not have enough trainers turned on that they were invulnerable, thus making cow beating a perfectly safe activity?

On Topic: I hope rocky doesn't catch his fur on fire. I don't know of many animals with thick coats that smoke, so it worries me that he might be a fire hazard.

raccoons are animals that spend a fair amount of time around water too- so they probably have pretty oily fur to help keep the water off their skin.

Josephus


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sebing wrote:I don't have one iota of a problem with his opinion of smoking - indeed i applaud it. However, the second he went from *I* would never wear it to "Shirts like this make kids smoke!" he took the focus away from his opinion and threw out a blanket statement that demanded a rebuke - because it's just plain wrong. racoon shirts don't make kids smoke. I guess I was just speaking to the tendency of people in this nation to look everywhere possible for someone or something to blame a problem on, all the while blindly carrying on without looking at themselves - where the real problem exists. If your kids take up smoking, it's not because of a shirt, or a tv show, or a movie, etc etc. We'll NEVER be able to solve problems like that looking for straw men so we don't have to look inward. This country is absolutely fantastic at placing blame on all kinds of crap rather than honestly appraising the issue.

So i'm sorry if you took offense josephus, but you seem like a smart guy, and i'm sure you can see I was not speaking to your personal preference, but the insinuation that wearing a tshirt can somehow contribute to the moral decay of society. It's just not true. Keep fighting the good fight, but not at woot, for that's a wasted effort.

I hope people don't get too hung up on the cigarette and see this for the great shirt it is. I wouldn't hesitate to wear it around my kids, and if they asked i'd tell them poor rocky died of cancer just after the shirt was made.


Look, this is just simply incorrect. If you would move this over to the thread I just created in Everything But woot, here, everyone can take shots at me that wants to without continuing to take over James' thread- which he certainly does not deserve. To misquote Jason Toon from the Phtooshop contest last weekend, this idea didn't just spring forth from my forehead. I do have bona fide credentials and basis behind what I think is probably true.

mjc613


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles

James, someone else mentioned altering this picture by changing the cigarette to a toothpick. This gave me a idea.

Back in the Leap Year Derby, the entry now known as Do the Math (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=4860) had a flaw that kept people from voting for it- there was an equals sign which made the last equation incorrect. It was too late in the derby to correct it, but the designer asked woot to change the equals sign to an approximate sign. Once he received confirmation that they could do this, AND he sent them a new design with that one change, the votes came in.

I recommend you do something similar. Write to our friends at woot and see if they would be willing to make this kind of change. It's a bit bigger than an equation symbol, and they need to know. Then start work on a cigaretteless Rocky. And good luck to you.

Meanwhile, everyone needs to vote for the Rock Lobster and Pop Goes the Weasel. Both of them deserve to be higher than they are.

geekfactor12


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mjc613 wrote:James, someone else mentioned altering this picture by changing the cigarette to a toothpick. This gave me a idea.

Back in the Leap Year Derby, the entry now known as Do the Math (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=4860) had a flaw that kept people from voting for it- there was an equals sign which made the last equation incorrect. It was too late in the derby to correct it, but the designer asked woot to change the equals sign to an approximate sign. Once he received confirmation that they could do this, AND he sent them a new design with that one change, the votes came in.


Even if Woot were willing to make this change, I don't think it's the same sort of situation at all. The math shirt was wrong as displayed. This shirt is considered by the vast majority of voters to be correct as it is. So far, very few people have voiced concerns about the smoking and several more have stated that its presence adds to the quality of the shirt. So unlike the Math shirt, where all voters presumably wanted the equation to be correct, in this case the change could be 1) against the wishes of many current voters and 2) could alienate more potential voters than not making the change would.

Personally, I like the cigarette and would be less fond of the shirt without it. I think it gives the raccoon a type of characterization that a toothpick would not achieve.

lunartan


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles

soothedbyrainfall wrote:Holy crap, this shirt could singlehandedly lead to increases in children smoking, gun violence and rabies!!!

that wuz teh funneh
geekfactor12 wrote: Personally, I like the cigarette and would be less fond of the shirt without it. I think it gives the raccoon a type of characterization that a toothpick would not achieve.

agreed.

tgentry


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mjc613 wrote:James, someone else mentioned altering this picture by changing the cigarette to a toothpick. This gave me a idea.

Back in the Leap Year Derby, the entry now known as Do the Math (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=4860) had a flaw that kept people from voting for it- there was an equals sign which made the last equation incorrect. It was too late in the derby to correct it, but the designer asked woot to change the equals sign to an approximate sign. Once he received confirmation that they could do this, AND he sent them a new design with that one change, the votes came in.

I recommend you do something similar. Write to our friends at woot and see if they would be willing to make this kind of change. It's a bit bigger than an equation symbol, and they need to know. Then start work on a cigaretteless Rocky. And good luck to you.

Meanwhile, everyone needs to vote for the Rock Lobster and Pop Goes the Weasel. Both of them deserve to be higher than they are.


Wha?!? Don't change a thing Cho! I wouldn't buy it if there was a toothpick instead of a cigarette. This isn't a kid's shirt anyways, it's for discerning adults with good taste. I don't smoke and this shirt won't make me start. I understand the argument for not showing cigarettes anywhere, ever, but it is a part of history. It'd be like changing shotguns with walkie talkies or something crazy like that.

sebing


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mjc613 wrote:James, someone else mentioned altering this picture by changing the cigarette to a toothpick. This gave me a idea.

Back in the Leap Year Derby, the entry now known as Do the Math (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=4860) had a flaw that kept people from voting for it- there was an equals sign which made the last equation incorrect. It was too late in the derby to correct it, but the designer asked woot to change the equals sign to an approximate sign. Once he received confirmation that they could do this, AND he sent them a new design with that one change, the votes came in.

I recommend you do something similar. Write to our friends at woot and see if they would be willing to make this kind of change. It's a bit bigger than an equation symbol, and they need to know. Then start work on a cigaretteless Rocky. And good luck to you.

Meanwhile, everyone needs to vote for the Rock Lobster and Pop Goes the Weasel. Both of them deserve to be higher than they are.


cho should do no such thing! God this is ridiculous!

Josephus


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sebing wrote:cho should do no such thing! God this is ridiculous!

of course not.

stannley


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles


Wow, I went to work and saw all the comments and wanted to say I'm sorry James, I should've known that a comment on the cigarette would start quite the discussion.
On a much nicer note (and to make up a bit) I got spring rebirth today along with oh crud (which is all I originally wanted) and was pleasantly surprised by beautiful it looked in real life. I must say the comps do not do it justice and it printed great - I like it as much as the oh crud shirt which is saying a lot.

mjc613


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mjc613 wrote:James, someone else mentioned altering this picture by changing the cigarette to a toothpick. This gave me a idea.

Back in the Leap Year Derby, the entry now known as Do the Math (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=4860) had a flaw that kept people from voting for it- there was an equals sign which made the last equation incorrect. It was too late in the derby to correct it, but the designer asked woot to change the equals sign to an approximate sign. Once he received confirmation that they could do this, AND he sent them a new design with that one change, the votes came in.

I recommend you do something similar. Write to our friends at woot and see if they would be willing to make this kind of change. It's a bit bigger than an equation symbol, and they need to know. Then start work on a cigaretteless Rocky. And good luck to you.

I apologize JCho. I was trying to help. You have my vote for this whether you change it or not. I thought that by getting rid of the cigarette, this could get the extra votes it needed to get into the fog. But it looks like you could lose votes that way in the bargain. I do not understand why, and I don't need to. This deserves much better than 8th place, and I was trying to think of a way to help. You don't need more visibility - you have been in the hotness almost the whole time this was available. It's a cryin' shame, it is.


nycanuck


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles


Not sure if this has the legs to carry it to the fog by Thursday, but I hope so.

CLICK ON THE THUMBNAIL - WORTH THE LOOK

Amach06


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles


Man, all your work is amazing.

Well there is always next year....

patelrg


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I recently joined this "woot" and I want to know what programs you guys use to design the images. I would love to enter one of the derbies is possible. Thanks.

nycanuck


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles


Great song, amazing shirt - it does not look like it is going to make it
This is a smokin design.

I always like Cho's designs, I don't always vote for them since some (in my opinion) don't translate to a great shirt.

This shirt is awesome. VOTE!

sailstud25


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nycanuck wrote:Great song, amazing shirt - it does not look like it is going to make it
This is a smokin design.


Unfortunately too "smokin" it seems like according to things in this thread... I was personally interested in the toothpick idea (no offense, Cho)

Hmm, just went in for 3 Randoms, when I haven't bought any shirts lately (although still checking frequently) so what are the chances of liking them!?! Oh well, couldn't pass up the mystery!
...a number of shirts on teetrade.com

AttilaTheMom


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patelrg wrote:I recently joined this "woot" and I want to know what programs you guys use to design the images. I would love to enter one of the derbies is possible. Thanks.


I use the Gimp and Inkscape. Both free programs, similar to Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator. Some folks swear by coreldraw, some like paintshop pro. Just depends on what's available to you and what you want to spend. I'm now (slowly) learning to use Inkscape with a graphics tablet. It is much easier to draw this way than using a mouse or scanning an image in. Now if I can just make inkscape behave...

Check out the derby theme at noon today (woot time) and enter away. See Derek's thread for more details on how to size and enter your designs. Good luck and happy derbying.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........ whatever.

nycanuck


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nycanuck wrote:Great song, amazing shirt - it does not look like it is going to make it
This is a smokin design.

I always like Cho's designs, I don't always vote for them since some (in my opinion) don't translate to a great shirt.

This shirt is awesome. VOTE!


Maybe "SMOKIN" was a poor choice of words. Those who refrained from voting on this soley due to the cigarette (maybe it is a chicory root) please reconsider! I really want this shirt (toothpick OR chicory root).

Hexarobi


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles


I am saddened by the loss of this shirt. =(

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