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Canadian Periodic Table

Canadian Periodic Table
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Jemmacakes


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luuurve!!!

cswalsh


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Favorite Element: Cs (cirque du soleil)

derekfilley


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Very funny. ;-)


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cdncarlie


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there's so many other elements you could add, i wish you could have made the entire table....but i imagine it'd be pretty hard to come up with that many references(even as a fellow Cananuk I can't think of that many unless you add in all the different kinds of Canadian beer) great idea btw! ;-)

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Shigwarm


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Wow! You really did your homework! Good job.

cdncarlie


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oops sorry i should have clarified what i meant by the whole table...i just meant the two extra rows (lanthanoids and actinoids)

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MIke Honcho likes the proximity of the hot celebs to the beaver element. That made Mike Honco laugh.

KENPARS0NS


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Great work! Original, Informative, and Hilarious...

artulo


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Really clever and well thought out! GMV for sure.

sigaru


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hm...the only thing that i suggest is that it say "canadian periodic table" on the shirt, because the only reason i might not buy this is because i feel like i'd have to explain it to everyone. i strongly suggest a periodic table title.

EDIT: and after re-reading the ridiculous argument in fable's "devil went down to georgia" shirt design from the last derby, and not wanting to sound at ALL like ctravers, i feel the need to add this: i'm only saying this because it wouldn't make any sense at all [in my opinion]--even abstractly--if i were to wear it in public, and i don't think it would take away from the design by adding the title [as most periodic tables have], but add to it. but it's still your option, and you don't need to. my vote's still there.

ciabelle


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Maybe too much of a nitpick for a spoof concept, but you've repeated at least three symbols: Cd, Cr, & Sk.

ansharp


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Great idea for sure, but the randomness of the colors distracts me. The six color rule makes it difficult, but could you have grouped them more aesthetically, or am I missing something significant with the current grouping?

markzero


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ansharp wrote:Great idea for sure, but the randomness of the colors distracts me. The six color rule makes it difficult, but could you have grouped them more aesthetically, or am I missing something significant with the current grouping?


The randomness of the NUMBERS didn't bother you?

derekfilley


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cdncarlie wrote:there's so many other elements you could add, i wish you could have made the entire table....but i imagine it'd be pretty hard to come up with that many references(even as a fellow Cananuk I can't think of that many unless you add in all the different kinds of Canadian beer) great idea btw! ;-)


The omitted bottom two rows should have been all canadian beers ;-)


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Larraque


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As a canadian, I think this would make a great poster, but as a shirt, I would never wear it. Shirt text should be short and concise. If people have to stop you in order to read your shirt, it's annoying.

wootvan


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Wonderful work, but just one question from looking at the sample...does it come with the sweat stains on the armpits?

Aberrantic


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This shirt would be insanely awkward on a woman. It would be distorted on the chest, and, in order for anyone to read it, they'd have to peer at said woman's chest for several minutes. I just don't see that turning out well.

JonathonBarton


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This is so infinitely better than the "Be a Mountie" one that's currently riding on top (the one that would probably never actually be worn by anyone - just like an ugly Christmas Sweater)

THIS, I'd wear *frequently*. I love love love it.

Terribliz


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No Alex Trebek?! phale

neepateller


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This is just brilliant.

kimbo3311


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cdncarlie wrote:oops sorry i should have clarified what i meant by the whole table...i just meant the two extra rows (lanthanoids and actinoids)


Either you are a nerd for knowing the series names that are 'missing', or I'm a nerd for understanding what you meant the first time you said "the whole table".


Either way, this is a great shirt.

2thFairy


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Aberrantic wrote:This shirt would be insanely awkward on a woman. It would be distorted on the chest, and, in order for anyone to read it, they'd have to peer at said woman's chest for several minutes. I just don't see that turning out well.


Being a woman and one who was naturally blessed in the chest, I really am amazed at how many people make this comment. If I see a shirt I like, I buy it. If someone stares at my chest to read the shirt, more power to them. If a design is distorted on your T-shirt, you really should consider getting a shirt that actually fits, i.e., a larger size. Far too many women are wearing clothes that are too tight as it is.

sigaru


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wootvan wrote:Wonderful work, but just one question from looking at the sample...does it come with the sweat stains on the armpits?


those aren't sweat stains, they are shadows.

mollib


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2thFairy wrote:Being a woman and one who was naturally blessed in the chest, I really am amazed at how many people make this comment. If I see a shirt I like, I buy it. If someone stares at my chest to read the shirt, more power to them. If a design is distorted on your T-shirt, you really should consider getting a shirt that actually fits, i.e., a larger size. Far too many women are wearing clothes that are too tight as it is.


I second this. At this very moment, I'm wearing my Do the Math t-shirt which I know people are going to have to take a minute to read, if they care - and yes, my gifted bewbs will be right there in the thick of things. But that's the choice I made when I bought the shirt. By this point in my life, I'm pretty used to people staring - at least this way they can have a good excuse (and get a good chuckle out of it).

And I LOOOOOOVE this design. I really hope it makes it

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sigaru wrote:hm...the only thing that i suggest is that it say "canadian periodic table" on the shirt, because the only reason i might not buy this is because i feel like i'd have to explain it to everyone. i strongly suggest a periodic table title.

EDIT: and after re-reading the ridiculous argument in fable's "devil went down to georgia" shirt design from the last derby, and not wanting to sound at ALL like ctravers, i feel the need to add this: i'm only saying this because it wouldn't make any sense at all [in my opinion]--even abstractly--if i were to wear it in public, and i don't think it would take away from the design by adding the title [as most periodic tables have], but add to it. but it's still your option, and you don't need to. my vote's still there.


Wow the tables have turned have they not, Sigaru. I have to say I agree with you though. Everyone will know that its a periodic table, but not that it is a Canadian periodic table. Also, the font is very small so they may not be able to read the full elements to figure it out.

EDIT: I guess that I'll just have to take comfort in the fact that, in all likeliness, you will never be able to buy the devil went down to Georgia shirt. I'm gonna guess it landed itself in 4th (as it was bouncing in and out of the fog right before closing). Should have had Georgia in it ......

RagsLax4


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ugh no element for lacrosse


geekfactor12


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Joel loves Canada... AND SCIENCE!

jimiyo


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geekfactor12 wrote:Joel loves Canada... AND SCIENCE!


you should release a Joel T-shirt Template. it would be crazy funny if EVERYONE use it.

LAwLz!

tgentry


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Great idea and well executed! Does anyone know if the little words will print clearly?

sigaru


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yes, it probably is in fourth. that's what it says in the "derby contenders" post, at least. but you can never tell, because it also says that the foofoo shirt came in third, although today it is for sale. so you never know.

not really trying to insult you, it's just that you put up a big [huge] argument, and i was just trying to say that i didn't want to argue and fight about it, i was just suggesting. and if i wanted it so badly, i could buy some iron-on paper and print out the design and make it myself. or something else along those lines. it wouldn't be that difficult. [also, i tried suggesting to fable that she bring it to that website that prints losing shirts, but she hasn't responded to it yet.]

daedalusknight


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sigaru wrote: [also, i tried suggesting to fable that she bring it to that website that prints losing shirts, but she hasn't responded to it yet.]


What site is doing that?

geekfactor12


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daedalusknight wrote:What site is doing that?


I think Sigaru is referring to Best Losers, but they don't print anything- they just link to places (like Bountee, Cafepress or Spreadshirt) where artists are making their own derby designs available for purchase.

daedalusknight


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geekfactor12 wrote:I think Sigaru is referring to Best Losers, but they don't print anything- they just link to places (like Bountee, Cafepress or Spreadshirt) where artists are making their own derby designs available for purchase.


Oh... whew! I completely misunderstood that for a moment. I thought someplace was printing shirts without permission. Thanks for the clarification. :-)

RobGlenn


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tgentry wrote:Great idea and well executed! Does anyone know if the little words will print clearly?


Thanks for the kind words.

Based on the pictures buyers have send in of very detailed shirts (Alice Painting Caterpillar & Dead Man’s Chest in particular, they looked awesome) woot is doing a great job printing details. The small type is 11.3 point Helvetica Bold which really isn't all that small, it just looks tiny in the comp.

Also thanks to everyone for all of the compliments and encouragement. Reading the thread today put a smile on my face... I only hope I can put a put a Canadian Periodic Table on your chest.

brizz


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RagsLax4 wrote:ugh no element for lacrosse


Lacrosse originated from a Native American game - most commonly played in what became the American Southeast - though other tribes played it as well in New york and southern Ontario. Canadians first adapted it in Quebec in the 1840s - but it was an indigenous American game

sigaru


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daedalusknight wrote:What site is doing that?


i dunno the name, but it was the side deal some time early this week.

sigaru


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geekfactor12 wrote:I think Sigaru is referring to Best Losers, but they don't print anything- they just link to places (like Bountee, Cafepress or Spreadshirt) where artists are making their own derby designs available for purchase.


oh, alright. i guess i was confused then. [sorry for looking like an one that smells of Elderberries.]

Zodgilla


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Creative, very funny. Heather Gray wouldn't be my color of choice... But hey, it's a Canadian Periodic Table of the Elements. And that's just cool.

anarchyvirus


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Zodgilla wrote:Creative, very funny. Heather Gray wouldn't be my color of choice... But hey, it's a Canadian Periodic Table of the Elements. And that's just cool.



yeah really, gray is lame.

deceptiveanomaly


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Way to include Arcade Fire. You've got my vote just for that.

Canuckintn


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Great idea... but it would be nicer on a different colour shirt... and how about adding the title of Canadian Periodic Table across the top to complete the look.

EyeTeeGuy


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Love the design, voted for it, won't buy it.

mehron


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cswalsh wrote:Favorite Element: Cs (cirque du soleil)


Agreed. Montreal, represent.

hrsegal


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Jemmacakes wrote:luuurve!!!


Ditto! This contest theme sort of left me luke warm. I don't have enough feelings for Canada either way to want to wear a t-shirt about it, but this shirt is really great. It got my very first ever woot vote! Good luck!

sailstud25


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markzero wrote:The randomness of the NUMBERS didn't bother you?


YES! I love me my Aaarrrgyle, but on this one the colors at first and then the numbering completely throws it off IMO. I do like the Boxing Day is 1226 (absolutely randomly, but it obviously works)

Otherwise, besides the way Mike Honcho refers to himself like that, pointing out the beaver positioning is very annoying. Thank you woot for rejecting so many absurd beavers!

Hmm, just went in for 3 Randoms, when I haven't bought any shirts lately (although still checking frequently) so what are the chances of liking them!?! Oh well, couldn't pass up the mystery!
...a number of shirts on teetrade.com

brizz


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So Adder's post yesterday about rob's patented "steal stuff from threadless/unatee=profit!" was deleted, but I can't believe the audacity of his attempt to profit from yet another blatant Threadless ripoff:





The guy is shameless, and it's really starting to bother a lot of people here - including many of the best designers who don't even see the point of contributing here when theft is rewarded. Rob does not deserve any praise for this. Every week his designs are found to have eerie similarities to existing shirts. EVERY WEEK. This is just another he saw at threadless and revamped in a few minutes for woot. And he continues to profit from it - which is just grossly unfair to those designers who put time, energy, THOUGHT and CREATIVITY into their work. I tattled of course, but I would implore everyone to do the same.

And don't say "this is different!" no it's not. yes, that one is food/drink - but come on - it's the same damned shirt. And robglenn has shown repeatedly that he simply doesn't care - because he gets away with it. It has to stop, and if woot hopes to have any integrity as a shirt vendor, they need to address this issue of blatant copies and clipart shirts being allowed just because they are slightly altered from the original they are taken from. If not, say goodbye to edgar, jimi, cho, and other excellent designers who simply won't continue to try and compete with fraudulent entries that are consistently rewarded. It's despicable.

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Thats really clever =D

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mjc613


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brizz wrote:So Adder's post yesterday about rob's patented "steal stuff from threadless/unatee=profit!" was deleted, but I can't believe the audacity of his attempt to profit from yet another blatant Threadless ripoff:



etc..


I didn't vote for this, because I just couldn't believe that he could come up with this in only 24 hours. I didn't know what his source was, but he now has an reputation for unoriginal work. I didn't vote for his line art entry for that reason. After the fiasco with the blatant copy of the squid woodcut, he is more careful about what he uses as "inspiration", but he lost my trust.

Since this is not a direct copy of the Alcohol Periodic Table, woot probably won't reject it. It may even print. But little by little, people will figure Rob out, and he will get fewer shirts in the fog.

2thFairy


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brizz wrote:So Adder's post yesterday about rob's patented "steal stuff from threadless/unatee=profit!" was deleted, but I can't believe the audacity of his attempt to profit from yet another blatant Threadless ripoff:





The guy is shameless, and it's really starting to bother a lot of people here - including many of the best designers who don't even see the point of contributing here when theft is rewarded. Rob does not deserve any praise for this. Every week his designs are found to have eerie similarities to existing shirts. EVERY WEEK. This is just another he saw at threadless and revamped in a few minutes for woot. And he continues to profit from it - which is just grossly unfair to those designers who put time, energy, THOUGHT and CREATIVITY into their work. I tattled of course, but I would implore everyone to do the same.

And don't say "this is different!" no it's not. yes, that one is food/drink - but come on - it's the same damned shirt. And robglenn has shown repeatedly that he simply doesn't care - because he gets away with it. It has to stop, and if woot hopes to have any integrity as a shirt vendor, they need to get rid of hacks like rob. If not, say goodbye to edgar, jimi, cho, and other excellent designers who simply won't continue to try and compete with fraudulent entries that are consistently rewarded. It's despicable.


There have been several other similar periodic table posters and t-shirts in stores over the years. I figured Rob's was different enough to escape rejection.

((Don't ever say goodbye to Edgar!))

daedalusknight


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brizz wrote:The guy is shameless, and it's really starting to bother a lot of people here - including many of the best designers who don't even see the point of contributing here when theft is rewarded. Rob does not deserve any praise for this. Every week his designs are found to have eerie similarities to existing shirts. EVERY WEEK. This is just another he saw at threadless and revamped in a few minutes for woot. And he continues to profit from it - which is just grossly unfair to those designers who put time, energy, THOUGHT and CREATIVITY into their work. I tattled of course, but I would implore everyone to do the same.



Academic question:

Has anyone ever been de-fogged because people started using the "take it back" button? I wonder if negative publicity can have that kind of impact on a shirt, regardless of whether Woot decides to reject it or not. This is a tough call here and Woot may decide that the shirt is sufficiently different than the original shirt, but would voters ever take the decision out of Woot's hands by canceling their votes?

Just curious.

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brizz wrote:*stuff*

Calling to "get rid of" someone is rude, regardless of what he has or hasn't done. I'm asking that you consider rewording to make this post less rude. Your opinion is valid but you need to be courteous.

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daedalusknight wrote:Academic question:

Has anyone ever been de-fogged because people started using the "take it back" button? I wonder if negative publicity can have that kind of impact on a shirt, regardless of whether Woot decides to reject it or not. This is a tough call here and Woot may decide that the shirt is sufficiently different than the original shirt, but would voters ever take the decision out of Woot's hands by canceling their votes?

Just curious.

Yes.

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mjc613 wrote:I didn't vote for this, because I just couldn't believe that he could come up with this in only 24 hours. I didn't know what his source was, but he now has an reputation for unoriginal work. I didn't vote for his line art entry for that reason. After the fiasco with the blatant copy of the squid woodcut, he is more careful about what he uses as "inspiration", but he lost my trust.

Since this is not a direct copy of the Alcohol Periodic Table, woot probably won't reject it. It may even print. But little by little, people will figure Rob out, and he will get fewer shirts in the fog.

No because most wooters don't know or care who the artist is. They vote for designs they like, end of story.

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superspryte wrote:Calling to "get rid of" someone is rude, regardless of what he has or hasn't done. I'm asking that you consider rewording to make this post less rude. Your opinion is valid but you need to be courteous.


So what should we do, then? As an artist, do you really want to have stuff you drew yourself languish behind clipart and stale ideas? Clearly that's what the voters want, so we're not going to put an end to it that way.

It's a simple question: what do you do with someone who continually sidesteps the rules, to the point where you can't chalk it up to coincidence? Do you keep slapping his wrist and continue rewarding him with paychecks, or do you fire him?

superspryte


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AdderXYU wrote:So what should we do, then? As an artist, do you really want to have stuff you drew yourself languish behind clipart and stale ideas? Clearly that's what the voters want, so we're not going to put an end to it that way.

It's a simple question: what do you do with someone who continually sidesteps the rules, to the point where you can't chalk it up to coincidence? Do you keep slapping his wrist and continue rewarding him with paychecks, or do you fire him?

Email your essay to woot. To multiple people if you feel it's a big issue. PM others to join the effort if you want. Don't whine in the forums and cause flame wars.

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2thFairy


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superspryte wrote:No because most wooters don't know or care who the artist is. They vote for designs they like, end of story.


I *SO* disagree. Many people (but not all) look for and vote for a particular artist because of the hype surrounding the artist and not necessarily the design.

superspryte


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2thFairy wrote:I *SO* disagree. Many people (but not all) look for and vote for a particular artist because of the hype surrounding the artist and not necessarily the design.

For those who read the forums. And what of those who don't?

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brizz


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superspryte wrote:Calling to "get rid of" someone is rude, regardless of what he has or hasn't done. I'm asking that you consider rewording to make this post less rude. Your opinion is valid but you need to be courteous.


I altered the one sentence I believe you took umbrage with, but in all honesty i'm not even sure why. Why are we supposed to adhere to some standard of courtesy when this particular derby participant has repeatedly shown nothing but contempt for the entire process? Being polite has changed nothing, and indeed it only gets worse week after week.

In the end, I mean exactly what I said: Woot is going to HAVE to address this issue if they hope to remain a viable and respected shirt vendor - otherwise it will be lost to the hackneyed gimmick shirts that I highly doubt Joel had in mind when he started this venture - judging from their opening mission statement and daily shirts. Frankly, I wish they would exercise a bit more power in rejecting entries such as periodic table - if nothing else, there are a lot of "similar shirts that exist" - dozens of periodic table shirts for instance - thus making this one utterly unoriginal and anathema to their stated goal.

AdderXYU


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superspryte wrote:Email your essay to woot. To multiple people if you feel it's a big issue. PM others to join the effort if you want. Don't whine in the forums and cause flame wars.


Do you really think no one ever emailed woot about this?

If woot won't do anything, someone needs to. And the only way someone will is if they're informed. Will anyone read PMs? God no. They'll delete them like political pamphlets. It's necessary to have it all public, unless we want to preserve his right to theft.

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Ontario = On (not Ot)

Fun shirt though

bryozoan


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AdderXYU wrote:So what should we do, then? <edit: removed the rest>


Adder: Unfortunately, you have spent so much time attacking art you simply don't like, that you have "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome for art you have actual rules violation issues with.

QED.

mihalis aya


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2thFairy wrote:I *SO* disagree. Many people (but not all) look for and vote for a particular artist because of the hype surrounding the artist and not necessarily the design.


I wouldn't say many. I would say up to a quarter of the votes given to any design done by someone who has won once (including my own, probably, though I never seem to get tossed around as a "name" so I might be wrong) are name recognition. The rest is momentum: people see it in the hotness and/or fog and vote because they like it (or don't vote and it falls accordingly).

I understand why we want to think there is a loyal fanbase vote, but I just don't think it works for all shirts all the time. Edgar is often touted as wonderful and underappreciated. His shirts usually do well the first day they are up for voting, and then sink. If my guess is right, those early votes are fans. The lack of votes later, when he's in the hotness or fog, are because other voters don't like it and don't vote--happened just last week.

It might be more accurate to say that a surge of votes at the start could be representative of a loyal fanbase, but after that designs are garnering votes on their own merit.

And I like this shirt even less now that I know Threadless has done one similar. Again. Oh, Rob.

brizz


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bryozoan wrote:Adder: Unfortunately, you have spent so much time attacking art you simply don't like, that you have "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome for art you have actual rules violation issues with.

QED.


Poppycock. the evidence is right in front of you. Those who don't see it simply choose not to. it's not for anyone to convince you - it's plain as day. Unfortunately, adder provided a very forthright examination of the NUMEROUS examples of theft committed by rob and woot chose to delete it. So the complete picture is up to others to discern. Rest assured, this example is but one of many.

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brizz wrote:I altered the one sentence I believe you took umbrage with, but in all honesty i'm not even sure why. Why are we supposed to adhere to some standard of courtesy when this particular derby participant has repeatedly shown nothing but contempt for the entire process? Being polite has changed nothing, and indeed it only gets worse week after week.

In the end, I mean exactly what I said: Woot is going to HAVE to address this issue if they hope to remain a viable and respected shirt vendor - otherwise it will be lost to the hackneyed gimmick shirts that I highly doubt Joel had in mind when he started this venture - judging from their opening mission statement and daily shirts. Frankly, I wish they would exercise a bit more power in rejecting entries such as periodic table - if nothing else, there are a lot of "similar shirts that exist" - dozens of periodic table shirts for instance - thus making this one utterly unoriginal and anathema to their stated goal.

The change is much better, thank you. It's not about not calling him out, it's about courtesy. If you can be rude to someone you think is copying ideas and woot allows it, what's next? Think about the slippery slope concept. Eventually it will go too far and when woot finally steps in everyone will be angry (my source is the probations for being off-topic from a while ago). If you have an issue with an entry for a valid reason, go ahead and point it out. Be courteous (maybe the person didn't know, which is true in the case of many new artists, etc) and if you see a persistent issue developing point it out. If that's not enough email shirt@woot.com.

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superspryte


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AdderXYU wrote:Do you really think no one ever emailed woot about this?

If woot won't do anything, someone needs to. And the only way someone will is if they're informed. Will anyone read PMs? God no. They'll delete them like political pamphlets. It's necessary to have it all public, unless we want to preserve his right to theft.

Read my "PS" to my comment in your other thread.

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nycanuck


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


In fact most provinces are wrong.

Yukon = YT
Northwest Territories = NT
Nunavut = NU
Quebec = QC
Newfoundland = NL

daedalusknight


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superspryte wrote:Yes.


I think that's what may have happened to me back in the line derby (which is why I ask the question). I didn't make it up into the fog by any means, but I had a bunch of scathing reviews that seemed to make my vote total drop quite a bit.

superspryte


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superspryte wrote:Read my "PS" to my comment in your other thread.

Corrected for fairness. Good call.

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bluchez


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superspryte wrote:Corrected for fairness. Good call.


Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get something next to my name that says "Volunteer Instigator." It would make me so happy.

daedalusknight


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bluchez wrote:Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get something next to my name that says "Volunteer Instigator." It would make me so happy.


How about adding it to your sig? :-)

superspryte


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bluchez wrote:Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get something next to my name that says "Volunteer Instigator." It would make me so happy.

...no.

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nycanuck


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


And...Dudley DoRight should be green not brown.

12/26 is brilliant for boxing day, though AL (#48) should be #69

bluchez


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superspryte wrote:...no.


You are entirely no fun.

On Topic: I think this shirt violates enough of the fundamental rules of structuring a periodic table, that it is in fact unique. Kind of like how a die with a 6 side and 1 side touching is no longer a die.

daedalusknight


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bluchez wrote: On Topic: I think this shirt violates enough of the fundamental rules of structuring a periodic table, that it is in fact unique. Kind of like how a die with a 6 side and 1 side touching is no longer a die.


Okay... time for me to show off my fancy art school degree:

What is being debated here are the similarities between works of art. In some cases a work has the same subject matter, same design elements, but different form. An example of this would be the hoser shirts. They're both using the same concept and visual elements, but they have vastly different forms. Looking at them both from a distance would not make you think they are alike.

In other cases you might have the same subject matter and form but have different design elements. An example of this would be a shirt with maple leaves falling from the sky and a shirt with oak leaves falling from the sky. They look similar from a distance, but up close they are visually different.

Another case might be where form and design elements are the same, but the subject matter is different. This is the case with the Canadian periodic table and the food/drink periodic table. They look similar up close and at a distance (similar structure, similar fonts, etc.), but they are using different ideas.

Are you bored from reading this yet? :-)

I have no idea which, if any of the above, would be grounds for rejection on Woot. Maybe some of them are, maybe none of them are. I don't think that all of them are, though.

2thFairy


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bluchez wrote:Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get something next to my name that says "Volunteer Instigator." It would make me so happy.


Hahahahaha!!!!!

mjc613


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mjc613 wrote:I didn't vote for this, because I just couldn't believe that he could come up with this in only 24 hours. I didn't know what his source was, but he now has an reputation for unoriginal work. I didn't vote for his line art entry for that reason. After the fiasco with the blatant copy of the squid woodcut, he is more careful about what he uses as "inspiration", but he lost my trust.

Since this is not a direct copy of the Alcohol Periodic Table, woot probably won't reject it. It may even print. But little by little, people will figure Rob out, and he will get fewer shirts in the fog.



I've been giving this post a lot of thought, and while I still have misgivings about this entry, I am willing to believe that I may have jumped to conclusions.

Rob, you have not had a chance to speak about how you came up with this. Just because there was one incident in the past where I believed you used another person's material does not mean you did it this time. I think you would do yourself a big favor to tell how you put this idea together. It would also be a good learning experience for the newer designers.

I know that on Iron Chef they practice preparing several dishes in under an hour, and try to make it flexible enough to accomodate various "secret ingredients". Do you have a few ideas waiting for when the theme is revealed? Do you have a portfolio waiting at home? Or do you wait until after it is announced to do research?

It would be very interesting to hear about this from other designers as well, but this one is in the fog and quite conspicuous right now.

CaucasionSensation


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superspryte wrote:Calling to "get rid of" someone is rude, regardless of what he has or hasn't done. I'm asking that you consider rewording to make this post less rude. Your opinion is valid but you need to be courteous.


Yes please... You and the other fellow come across in a poor light. I'm sure you're both bigger than that.

p7


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What?!?! No Anne Murray?!?! But, but... she's a Canadian treasure!

No Barenaked Ladies? What were you thinking?

No Samantha Bee?

No William Shatner?

No Alanis Morrissette?

Also, #49, Prince Edward Island should not have an "s" on the end. There is only one.

On the other hand, yay Timbits!

Overall, a funny concept.

turkeyfryer35


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


Wow, I can't even comprehend how this got into the fog. This design is not original, creative or funny at all. Anyone who thinks this will look good on a shirt needs to think about it logically for about 2 seconds and take their vote back. I'm not even talking about the accusations of theft, it's just a bad design, and bad designs like this are becoming WAY too common in the fog. Voters need to start actually considering how well a design will work as a shirt before giving their votes to every dumb clipart design that gives them a quick chuckle.

neonneon


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Aberrantic wrote:This shirt would be insanely awkward on a woman. It would be distorted on the chest, and, in order for anyone to read it, they'd have to peer at said woman's chest for several minutes. I just don't see that turning out well.


Uh, I CAN see that turning out well... :-)

jimiyo


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p7 wrote:No William Shatner?


I was gonna do some Canadian animal dressed in a star trek suit with the caption

"Oh, KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANnnnada."

but I figured it was a waste of time.

artulo


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jimiyo wrote:I was gonna do some Canadian animal dressed in a star trek suit with the caption

"Oh, KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANnnnada."

but I figured it was a waste of time.



I'd still like to see that!

nycanuck


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


#24 should have been Tf (Two-four) mmmm beer

m2n


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


GREAT SHIRT, I HOPE IT WINS, CAUSE I'LL BUY ONE
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BrIanPir


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jimiyo wrote:I was gonna do some Canadian animal dressed in a star trek suit with the caption

"Oh, KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANnnnada."

but I figured it was a waste of time.


You should've done that. At least Shatner is Canadian. Henry Winkler is from NYC. That really ruins the moose "Eh" shirt for me. Well, that and the Fonz is so tired. "KHAAAAANada" would have been much better as a shirt.

This periodic table, though, is very clever. Coming up with an idea for each element took some thought.

mjc613


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table

Something on another thread caught my interest, so I went exploring.

An entry was made during the leap frog derby with a similar theme.
NOTE: THIS IS NOT A PERIODIC TABLE, JUST ONE ELEMENT.

Februarium


Since there are some similar design elements, and because this was a previous derby entry on woot, I thought it should be brought up.

quijibo666


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mjc613 wrote:Something on another thread caught my interest, so I went exploring.

An entry was made during the leap frog derby with a similar theme.
NOTE: THIS IS NOT A PERIODIC TABLE, JUST ONE ELEMENT.

Februarium


Since there are some similar design elements, and because this was a previous derby entry on woot, I thought it should be brought up.


Not that is matters because the Leap Year entry has absolutely nothing to do with the entry here, but I think you're thinly veiled attempt at sabotage would be better done had you not put the surrounding fog entries in your sig. Thought it should be brought up.

mjc613


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quijibo666 wrote:Not that is matters because the Leap Year entry has absolutely nothing to do with the entry here, but I think you're thinly veiled attempt at sabotage would be better done had you not put the surrounding fog entries in your sig. Thought it should be brought up.

My signature has been the same for the last 24 hours.

This was new info to me, and I thought others deserved to know it.
I am not trying to thinly veil ANYTHING. I am stating facts as facts and opinions as opinions.

sailstud25


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m2n wrote:GREAT SHIRT, I HOPE IT WINS, CAUSE I'LL BUY ONE
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHY?!?!

This shirt may be considered clever in some circles, and neat as a poster such as the one he took his "inspiration" from, but as previously mentioned, this would not make a good shirt by any means!

Maybe we can all vote for all four of the shirts near by to elevate them above this... just a thought, but I admit it probably isn't feasible.

Hmm, just went in for 3 Randoms, when I haven't bought any shirts lately (although still checking frequently) so what are the chances of liking them!?! Oh well, couldn't pass up the mystery!
...a number of shirts on teetrade.com

darkbard


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Sir, you win 3 internets for this design!

I totally want this shirt!

As for the comment on how it would look on a woman with larger "assets" I'm here to tell you that it doesn't matter. It doesn't look odd at all. And people stare at my D's anyway so I might as well give them a good reason to do it. ;)

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I originally liked the idea of the title to clarrify, but then again nor a huge fan of all the writing. So I pondered and thought to myself that if the table was shaped like a maple leaf then it would make everybody understand. Either way great job!

EffingBoring


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Am I missing something, or is there no Wayne Gretzky/ Great One??

Gretzky is denied!

peacefrog72


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


I want one...

kacz79


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Re: Canadian Periodic Table


I can't believe all you people are ripping on the originality of this design... the periodic table of the elements has been around for over 100 years. It's not like he/she stole it from a poster. I think if you look around you'll find that most of the other designs are no more original than this. What's original about drawing a maple leaf? Every leaf is different, why should a drawing be more original than the real thing? Or a polar bear? How is that any more unique and creative than taking the time to fill in the squares on the table with a particular theme? That's like saying an engineer isn't creative because their work isn't visually apealing, or because they based their work on some scientific property that someone else invented/discovered years ago.

ueberRegenbogen


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I'd buy it! :D

siguewoot


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ciabelle wrote:Maybe too much of a nitpick for a spoof concept, but you've repeated at least three symbols: Cd, Cr, & Sk.


looks like they fixed this in the final design

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