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Ninja awesome move of greatness

Ninja awesome move of greatness
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dsladek


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this is original hand drawn artwork. Im an animator so I had a lot of fun working on this design...and ninjas are totally freakin awsome (you know it). Hope you guys/gals like it!

Sachmoe64


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dsladek wrote:this is original hand drawn artwork. Im an animator so I had a lot of fun working on this design...and ninjas are totally freakin awsome (you know it). Hope you guys/gals like it!


NO WAY!!! is that the assisin that kills bad voters! (people who vote for poorly done animals) AWESOME!!! GMV nicely done. great line work. of course your an animator, its obvious in your line work.

dsladek


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Sachmoe64 wrote:NO WAY!!! is that the assisin that kills bad voters! (people who vote for poorly done animals) AWESOME!!! GMV nicely done. great line work. of course your an animator, its obvious in your line work.


thanks! Im glad you like it. It dosnt seem like many people are interested. I would really like to know what people think about it. as far as the assassin of voters thing goes...Im not sure I would go there. On that note however, people here really dont seem to care much for serious or just plain cool shirt designs, everything has to be cute. its quite discouraging to see the same old kinds of things win all the time.

oh well.

arethusa668


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Me and my boyfriend like it a lot. It looks awesome and the artwork is aweeeesome!

arethusa668


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arethusa668 wrote:Me and my boyfriend like it a lot. It looks awesome and the artwork is aweeeesome!


oops posted twice XD

madhatter444


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arethusa668 wrote:oops posted twice XD


wow this shirt is awesome! i wish you the best of luck. You have my vote!

eHalcyon


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This is so unrealistic. If that guy were a real ninja, we wouldn't be able to see him on the shirt. ;)

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witemouse


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It's got my vote. I think it might look better if the art were off to the side instead of right down the middle, but I could be wrong. It's just what I like. Either way, cool shirt. I think most people just look for stuff that's a bit less, real(?) I guess you could say. Maybe not the best way to put it. Either way though, great job with the drawing

dsladek


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eHalcyon wrote:This is so unrealistic. If that guy were a real ninja, we wouldn't be able to see him on the shirt. ;)


man that would have made an awesome shirt, just a plain white shirt with nothing on it and then call it ninja. thats genius.

thanks for your comments!

dsladek


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arethusa668 wrote:Me and my boyfriend like it a lot. It looks awesome and the artwork is aweeeesome!


thanks for your support!

dsladek


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witemouse wrote:It's got my vote. I think it might look better if the art were off to the side instead of right down the middle, but I could be wrong. It's just what I like. Either way, cool shirt. I think most people just look for stuff that's a bit less, real(?) I guess you could say. Maybe not the best way to put it. Either way though, great job with the drawing


I actually conidered putting it off to one side but I decided that the middle worked better.

thanks so much for your support!

tommyt827


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I love the artwork, but I think it might look better without that yellow background down the middle--that yellow strip down the middle just looks a little awkward. I think the ninja with just the shirt's olive background might look better. It still gets my vote though.

dsladek


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tommyt827 wrote:I love the artwork, but I think it might look better without that yellow background down the middle--that yellow strip down the middle just looks a little awkward. I think the ninja with just the shirt's olive background might look better. It still gets my vote though.


actually its more of a ocher color... but thats beside the point. The intention behind the backdrop was to convey the look of japanese rice paper. of coarse its stylized but that was the intention. also I feel it gives the shirt an interesting graphic look.

thanks for voting and thanks for your comments!

Webfoot08


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Great stuff! And you're in the fog now, so no worries. We like it, we like it!

mia3mom


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I love the movement of the ninja and the details.

unlike some of the other commenters, I *love* the faux-rice-paper behind the ninja, I think it looks great with the distressed touches. gmv, and I don't usually like ninjas.

& the Gaggle of Girls; so many shirts, so little space in the dresser!

jbedwar1


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Webfoot08 wrote:Great stuff! And you're in the fog now, so no worries. We like it, we like it!


you mean the hotness

ClayMeow


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witemouse wrote:It's got my vote. I think it might look better if the art were off to the side instead of right down the middle, but I could be wrong. It's just what I like. Either way, cool shirt. I think most people just look for stuff that's a bit less, real(?) I guess you could say. Maybe not the best way to put it. Either way though, great job with the drawing

I agree, off to the side would be better. Also, I think the "background" bar ruins the design slightly and would test it out without it.

Overall though, the artistic detail is amazing. Very nicely done!

daedalusknight


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eHalcyon wrote:This is so unrealistic. If that guy were a real ninja, we wouldn't be able to see him on the shirt. ;)



Actually, those are just shadow duplicates that you see. The real ninja's invisible. :-)

eHalcyon


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daedalusknight wrote:Actually, those are just shadow duplicates that you see. The real ninja's invisible. :-)


Have you seen the news report on the Ninja parade, done by The Onion? =P

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daedalusknight


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eHalcyon wrote:Have you seen the news report on the Ninja parade, done by The Onion? =P


No, but something tells me it would be hilarious. :-)

invisiblecrazy


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Incredibly well drawn! It's nice to see something that's not clip art pasted over and over...


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arem


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dsladek wrote:this is original hand drawn artwork. Im an animator so I had a lot of fun working on this design...and ninjas are totally freakin awsome (you know it). Hope you guys/gals like it!


Nice stretching going on in the middle image, nice staging of the action, too. No doubt you're an animator.

My only crit is the background. You've got really nice curves and straights playing in your character, and I think your background should either compliment it with similar shapes (pagodas or bamboo comes to mind), or just make it solid.

dsladek


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arem wrote:Nice stretching going on in the middle image, nice staging of the action, too. No doubt you're an animator.

My only crit is the background. You've got really nice curves and straights playing in your character, and I think your background should either compliment it with similar shapes (pagodas or bamboo comes to mind), or just make it solid.


thanks for the constructive crit! let me just say that as an artist I thank you. I wish there were more people like you who were really interested in commenting on the technical aspects of the art on this site. I had actually originally had the bar solid but it seemed too uninteresting to me. I played around with it a lot but maybe I just made a pour judgement.
Oh well. it doesn't seem like I will get very far in this derby anyway. I keep hoping that the voters will start to vote based on the skill of the design and the execution of the idea. But so far I have been both perplexed and upset with where the votes are going. there are lots of amazing t shirt designs on this site but they never seem to win the derbies. its a darn shame. and if it continues a lot of the well thought out art work is going to die off (considering that it takes a lot of time and effort to make a good design and idea) and no effort to plop a piece of carp on a shirt. I thought I might try to be original but at this point I am about to throw in the towel and just start drawing cute poorly drafted anthropomorphic animals because thats the only thing that anyone freak'n likes. or maybe I should just change my name to james cho

ANyway my rant can now be added to the countless other unheard rants that change absolutely nothing and makes me sound like an angsty jerk. but I'm not, I'm just passionate about art :/

elfinator27


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love it! hope it wins!

Sachmoe64


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dsladek wrote:thanks for the constructive crit! let me just say that as an artist I thank you. I wish there were more people like you who were really interested in commenting on the technical aspects of the art on this site. I had actually originally had the bar solid but it seemed too uninteresting to me. I played around with it a lot but maybe I just made a pour judgement.
Oh well. it doesn't seem like I will get very far in this derby anyway. I keep hoping that the voters will start to vote based on the skill of the design and the execution of the idea. But so far I have been both perplexed and upset with where the votes are going. there are lots of amazing t shirt designs on this site but they never seem to win the derbies. its a darn shame. and if it continues a lot of the well thought out art work is going to die off (considering that it takes a lot of time and effort to make a good design and idea) and no effort to plop a piece of carp on a shirt. I thought I might try to be original but at this point I am about to throw in the towel and just start drawing cute poorly drafted anthropomorphic animals because thats the only thing that anyone freak'n likes. or maybe I should just change my name to james cho

ANyway my rant can now be added to the countless other unheard rants that change absolutely nothing and makes me sound like an angsty jerk. but I'm not, I'm just passionate about art :/


Hey, I've heard they are changing the sites name to www.shirt.jamescho.woot.com. Dont worry, there is no winning against the fan club (3 designs above yours, mine, and soon tgentry's is enough proof for me)

arem


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dsladek wrote:thanks for the constructive crit! let me just say that as an artist I thank you. I wish there were more people like you who were really interested in commenting on the technical aspects of the art on this site. I had actually originally had the bar solid but it seemed too uninteresting to me. I played around with it a lot but maybe I just made a pour judgement.
Oh well. it doesn't seem like I will get very far in this derby anyway. I keep hoping that the voters will start to vote based on the skill of the design and the execution of the idea. But so far I have been both perplexed and upset with where the votes are going. there are lots of amazing t shirt designs on this site but they never seem to win the derbies. its a darn shame. and if it continues a lot of the well thought out art work is going to die off (considering that it takes a lot of time and effort to make a good design and idea) and no effort to plop a piece of carp on a shirt. I thought I might try to be original but at this point I am about to throw in the towel and just start drawing cute poorly drafted anthropomorphic animals because thats the only thing that anyone freak'n likes. or maybe I should just change my name to james cho

ANyway my rant can now be added to the countless other unheard rants that change absolutely nothing and makes me sound like an angsty jerk. but I'm not, I'm just passionate about art :/


I'm an animator, too, which is why I have so much respect for work like yours. About the background: It's not that you made a poor judgment. I think it's one of those things that happens to artists when they're so involved with the artwork that they need a fresh set of eyes to look at because the artist knows there's something s/he doesn't like about it but can't be sure what.

I urge you not to give up! Yes, people voting for cute/crappy happens everywhere (Threadless especially), but once in a while good art gets recognized and voted for. You have a lot of votes right now, including mine.

I'm not here to trash James Cho, but one thing he's got going for him is name recognition. Is he skilled? Yes. Is all of his work excellent? No. Keep doing the work you love and the rest will follow.

Kareema


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Personally, I *like* the background - I think a representational background would be too busy and detract from the subject and sense of motion. I only started voting on shirt.woot about a month ago, but I've also noticed that the shirts I vote for rarely seem to win. Bleh. I think woot needs to figure out how to expand its pool of voters - I didn't vote for a long time, just didn't really get how it was done. Perhaps they could make it mandatory to place a vote prior to purchasing a shirt, to get more people exposed to the idea and make the voting a little less skewed?

mjc613


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Sachmoe64 wrote:Hey, I've heard they are changing the sites name to www.shirt.jamescho.woot.com. Dont worry, there is no winning against the fan club (3 designs above yours, mine, and soon tgentry's is enough proof for me)


Your shirt not being in the fog has more to do with comments like this

ilstu99 wrote:
I really do love the art, but I honestly can't see wearing it. Something about having a cowgirl on a rocket flying out from between my breasts seems....odd.

than with JCho.

When submitting a design, you need to consider what will come to the viewers' minds, not yours (referring to the pinup and sexual connotation comments). And you need to consider placement. Perhaps a smaller print up near the shoulder would have done better. Take a look at klswoot's Swimming Koi for an example.

ClayMeow


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mjc613 wrote:than with JCho.

When submitting a design, you need to consider what will come to the viewers' minds, not yours (referring to the pinup and sexual connotation comments). And you need to consider placement. Perhaps a smaller print up near the shoulder would have done better. Take a look at klswoot's Swimming Koi for an example.


Agreed. I really like your design, however, as I stated before, I'd like it more if it was off to the side and without a background. As such, you did not GMV, but if you made those changes you would. However, I'm not oblivious to the fact that there will be others that think the opposite. You're never going to satisfy everyone all the time, but that doesn't mean your work isn't appreciated.

dsladek


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thanks for all the encouragement everyone, and your comments! they are much appreciated.

cjckpc


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I'm no art critic just a voter and I like it. you have my vote. keep the designs coming it is nice to see a fresh take on the designs here. If fresh means amatuer than I will take it!

cheapojoe


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I love this design. Only, when I think of motion, I don't really think of ninjas. I perceive them as the surreptitious shadow which is always concealed from sight, so you could never see its movement. However, I really enjoy your design and your take on motion. I'm voting for it.

derekfilley


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You have some real talent. FYI, ninjas are beyond played out on this site, and most designers who have been around for a while cringe when they see them. On the other hand, like most things that are beyond played out on this site, most ninja shirts are guaranteed a decent amount of votes.

Either way, hopefully you'll stick around ;-)


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haxrox


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arem wrote:Yes, people voting for cute/crappy happens everywhere (Threadless especially), but once in a while good art gets recognized and voted for. You have a lot of votes right now, including mine.


It's also important to bear in mind that this isn't an art contest, or even a mechanism for art appreciation. At the end of the day, this is a way for a commercial business to see what the majority of their viewers would wear on a shirt. That's why the vote link says, "I'd want one", not "I'm a qualified art critic and approve this design." For artists, there are forums to discuss and teach great art, and then there are profitable ventures to see how well you can target the public's aesthetic ideals. Only occasionally do the two intersect.

dsladek, you're clearly a talented artist who can take critique. Look at lower votes as a critique of mass appeal, not necessarily design execution. The shirts that get printed are priceless information about demographic buying trends, and there's nothing ignoble about putting aside our own tastes to please more buyers. Even the best artists in history have had to take a break from educating others about "good" art to do commissions.

ilstu99


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haxrox wrote:It's also important to bear in mind that this isn't an art contest, or even a mechanism for art appreciation. At the end of the day, this is a way for a commercial business to see what the majority of their viewers would wear on a shirt. That's why the vote link says, "I'd want one", not "I'm a qualified art critic and approve this design."


Perfect. Thank you.

Graye


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haxrox wrote:It's also important to bear in mind that this isn't an art contest, or even a mechanism for art appreciation. At the end of the day, this is a way for a commercial business to see what the majority of their viewers would wear on a shirt. That's why the vote link says, "I'd want one", not "I'm a qualified art critic and approve this design." For artists, there are forums to discuss and teach great art, and then there are profitable ventures to see how well you can target the public's aesthetic ideals. Only occasionally do the two intersect.

dsladek, you're clearly a talented artist who can take critique. Look at lower votes as a critique of mass appeal, not necessarily design execution. The shirts that get printed are priceless information about demographic buying trends, and there's nothing ignoble about putting aside our own tastes to please more buyers. Even the best artists in history have had to take a break from educating others about "good" art to do commissions.


Exactly...

As a reference though:
http://www.homeiswherethetvis.com/wootshirts/
Starting August 3rd on the list, and every +7days are the actual contest winners. ( the first few only have 1 winner, 2 for a tie. Just keep an eye on the dates).

Also remeber to plan your thumbnail image ;)

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=2022502&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=18

arem


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arem


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haxrox wrote:It's also important to bear in mind that this isn't an art contest, or even a mechanism for art appreciation. At the end of the day, this is a way for a commercial business to see what the majority of their viewers would wear on a shirt. That's why the vote link says, "I'd want one", not "I'm a qualified art critic and approve this design." For artists, there are forums to discuss and teach great art, and then there are profitable ventures to see how well you can target the public's aesthetic ideals. Only occasionally do the two intersect.

dsladek, you're clearly a talented artist who can take critique. Look at lower votes as a critique of mass appeal, not necessarily design execution. The shirts that get printed are priceless information about demographic buying trends, and there's nothing ignoble about putting aside our own tastes to please more buyers. Even the best artists in history have had to take a break from educating others about "good" art to do commissions.


Succinctly put!

And...

I'm no art critic just a voter and I like it. you have my vote. keep the designs coming it is nice to see a fresh take on the designs here. If fresh means amatuer than I will take it!


...that is the essence of the consumers here. Not critics, they just know what they like and would put their hard earned money down for. Maybe that's even why cute things win so often.

brizz


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dsladek wrote:thanks for the constructive crit! let me just say that as an artist I thank you. I wish there were more people like you who were really interested in commenting on the technical aspects of the art on this site. I had actually originally had the bar solid but it seemed too uninteresting to me. I played around with it a lot but maybe I just made a pour judgement.
Oh well. it doesn't seem like I will get very far in this derby anyway. I keep hoping that the voters will start to vote based on the skill of the design and the execution of the idea. But so far I have been both perplexed and upset with where the votes are going. there are lots of amazing t shirt designs on this site but they never seem to win the derbies. its a darn shame. and if it continues a lot of the well thought out art work is going to die off (considering that it takes a lot of time and effort to make a good design and idea) and no effort to plop a piece of carp on a shirt. I thought I might try to be original but at this point I am about to throw in the towel and just start drawing cute poorly drafted anthropomorphic animals because thats the only thing that anyone freak'n likes. or maybe I should just change my name to james cho

ANyway my rant can now be added to the countless other unheard rants that change absolutely nothing and makes me sound like an angsty jerk. but I'm not, I'm just passionate about art :/


for someone who hasn't been here long - only 3 weeks - you sure do seem to think you have it all figured out. I think you are confusing mediums here. good "art" does not = a good shirt design. just because you may be a talented illustrator doesn't mean you don't have a lot to learn about designing shirts. it is much more than slapping some drawing on a shirt, as you are finding out. To suggest as you are that all cho does is slap a quickie drawing on a shirt is entirely disingenuous. if you look closely you'll see that the DESIGN is made with the intent of working ON A SHIRT. that is why he is successful. And it is also something he works very hard on and has improved immensely since he first started submitting. You can too, but only if you start thinking of what you are composing as a shirt design, not a comic still.

eHalcyon


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daedalusknight wrote:No, but something tells me it would be hilarious. :-)


Ninja parade.

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brizz wrote:for someone who hasn't been here long - only 3 weeks - you sure do seem to think you have it all figured out. I think you are confusing mediums here. good "art" does not = a good shirt design. just because you may be a talented illustrator doesn't mean you don't have a lot to learn about designing shirts. it is much more than slapping some drawing on a shirt, as you are finding out. To suggest as you are that all cho does is slap a quickie drawing on a shirt is entirely disingenuous. if you look closely you'll see that the DESIGN is made with the intent of working ON A SHIRT. that is why he is successful. And it is also something he works very hard on and has improved immensely since he first started submitting. You can too, but only if you start thinking of what you are composing as a shirt design, not a comic still.


you are absolutly right brizz. i admitt that I do have alot to lean about shirt design, and i will be more concious of how the design works with the shirt in the future. I ment no ofense to cho by the way. I actually like alot of his designs and i by no means think that he just slaps a picture on a shirt. he is a great designer and i wish him the best.
thanks for your comments and suggestions and forgive me if I upset any one. it was not my intention.

oh yeah, im going to do a daily design and if anyone has anything they have been dyeing to see on a shirt then let me know and ill see what i can do. I would love to hear what you guys like.

SpaceJock


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dsladek wrote:you are absolutly right brizz. i admitt that I do have alot to lean about shirt design, and i will be more concious of how the design works with the shirt in the future. I ment no ofense to cho by the way. I actually like alot of his designs and i by no means think that he just slaps a picture on a shirt. he is a great designer and i wish him the best.
thanks for your comments and suggestions and forgive me if I upset any one. it was not my intention.

oh yeah, im going to do a daily design and if anyone has anything they have been dyeing to see on a shirt then let me know and ill see what i can do. I would love to hear what you guys like.


Heh, to be entirely honest, I wouldn't mind seeing this design come up in one of the daily shirts seeing how this won't be making it to the fog.

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SpaceJock wrote:Heh, to be entirely honest, I wouldn't mind seeing this design come up in one of the daily shirts seeing how this won't be making it to the fog.


They do not choose derby designs for dailies ever (as far as I know), but submitting a new design as a daily is a great way to bypass the voter's mob mentality.

crap


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dsladek wrote:thanks for the constructive crit! let me just say that as an artist I thank you. I wish there were more people like you who were really interested in commenting on the technical aspects of the art on this site. I had actually originally had the bar solid but it seemed too uninteresting to me. I played around with it a lot but maybe I just made a pour judgement.
Oh well. it doesn't seem like I will get very far in this derby anyway. I keep hoping that the voters will start to vote based on the skill of the design and the execution of the idea. But so far I have been both perplexed and upset with where the votes are going. there are lots of amazing t shirt designs on this site but they never seem to win the derbies. its a darn shame. and if it continues a lot of the well thought out art work is going to die off (considering that it takes a lot of time and effort to make a good design and idea) and no effort to plop a piece of carp on a shirt. I thought I might try to be original but at this point I am about to throw in the towel and just start drawing cute poorly drafted anthropomorphic animals because thats the only thing that anyone freak'n likes. or maybe I should just change my name to james cho

ANyway my rant can now be added to the countless other unheard rants that change absolutely nothing and makes me sound like an angsty jerk. but I'm not, I'm just passionate about art :/


Hmmm if you dont think people here appreciate good design ideas, I think Kohl's is hiring designers for the boy's department. I think I saw a shirt like this there before...

dsladek


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brizz wrote:for someone who hasn't been here long - only 3 weeks - you sure do seem to think you have it all figured out. I think you are confusing mediums here. good "art" does not = a good shirt design. just because you may be a talented illustrator doesn't mean you don't have a lot to learn about designing shirts. it is much more than slapping some drawing on a shirt, as you are finding out. To suggest as you are that all cho does is slap a quickie drawing on a shirt is entirely disingenuous. if you look closely you'll see that the DESIGN is made with the intent of working ON A SHIRT. that is why he is successful. And it is also something he works very hard on and has improved immensely since he first started submitting. You can too, but only if you start thinking of what you are composing as a shirt design, not a comic still.


never mind. you know what, tshirts are about the idea, design, AND the drawing. and you know what, I buy t-shirts because the have a clever idea and /or an exelent illustration. chos work has niether. good "art" DOES = a good shirt design.

dsladek


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carp wrote:Hmmm if you dont think people here appreciate good design ideas, I think Kohl's is hiring designers for the boy's department. I think I saw a shirt like this there before.. .


Wow! that must mean you shop in the little boys section at kohls! Im proud of you! if my shirt is at kohls you should buy it because that would mean it was good enough to be sold in one of the largest retailers of clothing in the country

Im sorry, i should really take your comment seriously since your name is carp.

thanks carp!

mjc613


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carp wrote:...., I think Kohl's is hiring designers for the boy's department. I think I saw a shirt like this there before...


This comment is totally out of line. First, it is rude, and offers nothing constructive. Second, it is incorrect, since this design has received quite a bit of recognition and lots of votes (12th place may not sound like much, but @ this point in the derby, it's darn good). Even if you find his comments about Cho's work distasteful, there is no reason to bash his work.

dsladek


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mjc613 wrote:This comment is totally out of line. First, it is rude, and offers nothing constructive. Second, it is incorrect, since this design has received quite a bit of recognition and lots of votes (12th place may not sound like much, but @ this point in the derby, it's darn good).

If you just want to make mean comments and ruin someone's day and/or motivation, could you do it elsewhere?


You're awesome! thanks

peppersagooddog


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dude
are you srsly crying about not winning in your first few derbies?
srsly?
just because you have skill doesnt mean you hit the target every time.
you wanna complain about cho?
guess what? he has submitted nearly 100 designs here and has LESS than 20 prints.
sure we want good artists here. and your stuff could very easily win at some point.
what you are missing is the fact that THIS particular design, while good isnt WIN.
this is precisely the thing my 11 year old son would beg me for in a walmart.
while that makes it a printable shirt, its not decidely what grown up wooters want. do they sometimes pick childish designs? YES, but not this one. you need to consider that there are people that have submitted since day 1 that have never gotten as many votes as you have now. chill the frak out and learn what the site wants.

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dsladek wrote:never mind. you know what, tshirts are about the idea, design, AND the drawing. and you know what, I buy t-shirts because the have a clever idea and /or an exelent illustration. chos work has niether. good "art" DOES = a good shirt design.


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Re: Ninja awesome move of greatness


Your art is great. I think the problem here is that many of us are sick of seeing ninjas in every derby (along with pirates and penguins).

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2thFairy wrote:Your art is great. I think the problem here is that many of us are sick of seeing ninjas in every derby (along with pirates and penguins).

And monkeys and zombies.

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dsladek wrote:never mind. you know what, tshirts are about the idea, design, AND the drawing. and you know what, I buy t-shirts because the have a clever idea and /or an exelent illustration. chos work has niether. good "art" DOES = a good shirt design.


what...you get a few pints in you and decide to whine more after all? If you can't see the cleverness or artful execution of cho's designs, then you aren't much of an illustrator after all. the derby isn't about talent in the end...as lots of crappy shirts have one (army men heading there is a perfect example) - and wooters are a fickle and mysterious bunch. what you are not seeing is that you need to do what THEY want to win, not what you think is awesome. and ninjas are so overdone its laughable that you are upset at not winning with this particular design. you've participated in two derbies and done well...stop crying as if the world is out to get you. You must be an absolute blast at parties.

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brizz wrote:what...you get a few pints in you and decide to whine more after all? If you can't see the cleverness or artful execution of cho's designs, then you aren't much of an illustrator after all. the derby isn't about talent in the end...as lots of crappy shirts have one (army men heading there is a perfect example) - and wooters are a fickle and mysterious bunch. what you I am an un-original person to see is that you need to do what THEY want to win, not what you think is awesome. and ninjas are so overdone its laughable that you are upset at not winning with this particular design. you've participated in two derbies and done well...stop crying as if the world is out to get you. You must be an absolute blast at parties.


are you serious? I see this as a critique not whinning. If you dont know the difference I feel sorry for you. I never heard this guy say "I CAN'T BELIEVE I"M NOT WINNING" all he's saying is he can't believe what is winning. and I agree with him. If you can't let someone critique whats presentented than shut up and be a jamescho pet... just my opinion.

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Sachmoe64 wrote:are you serious? I see this as a critique not whinning. If you dont know the difference I feel sorry for you. I never heard this guy say "I CAN'T BELIEVE I"M NOT WINNING" all he's saying is he can't believe what is winning. and I agree with him. If you can't let someone critique whats presentented than shut up and be a jamescho pet... just my opinion.


all he's done since he first submitted two weeks ago is whine about what is winning - instead of him...how he's so disappointed, how his is such great art but is losing, etc etc. what is he critiquing? that no one appreciates his immense talent? that cho vacuums? how very original.

and i'm hardly a cho pet..you need only check my sig to see that i've only bought two of his shirts out of the almost 20 I own (I know there are three...Duck Hunt was a gift). but i tire of the same stupid conspiracy theory jealousy garbage that stinks up the derbies every week. don't like him winning? beat him. otherwise shut it.

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brizz wrote:all he's done since he first submitted two weeks ago is whine about what is winning - instead of him...how he's so disappointed, how his is such great art but is losing, etc etc. what is he critiquing? that no one appreciates his immense talent? that cho vacuums? how very original.

and i'm hardly a cho pet..you need only check my sig to see that i've only bought two of his shirts out of the almost 20 I own (I know there are three...Duck Hunt was a gift). but i tire of the same stupid conspiracy theory jealousy garbage that stinks up the derbies every week. don't like him winning? beat him. otherwise shut it.


I have to side with brizz on this one. Most of the comments I've read from dsladek seem quite... arrogant.

dsladek, I admire both this submission and your previous one. I think you are a wonderful artist. The voters agree - look at how high your shirts are ranked. So you didn't win - that's no reason to be so bitter. Your consistent good standing suggests that it's just a matter of time. It may be frustrating that so many of Cho's designs are in the fog, but his art is just as clean and well drawn as your own, and his ideas resonate with the voters. I think yours do too - just not to the same extent in this particular derby.

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brizz wrote:all he's done since he first submitted two weeks ago is whine about what is winning - instead of him...how he's so disappointed, how his is such great art but is losing, etc etc. what is he critiquing? that no one appreciates his immense talent? that cho vacuums? how very original.

and i'm hardly a cho pet..you need only check my sig to see that i've only bought two of his shirts out of the almost 20 I own (I know there are three...Duck Hunt was a gift). but i tire of the same stupid conspiracy theory jealousy garbage that stinks up the derbies every week. don't like him winning? beat him. otherwise shut it.


Ive read a lot of what dsladek has been saying and I dont see him as super focused on his design. He wants to see stuff worthy of winning as do I. the monkey shirt that would have won the greed derby had it not been clip art is just pathetic. Now I'm sorry I called anyone a Jamescho pet but seriously tgentry's abe lincoln is way more clever than all three of his in the fog. I dont dislike Jamescho himself by any means but Im tired of seeing his boring designs win. He can do so much better! Ive looked at his old designs that have won and some of them are really great, but as an artist it looks like his stuff is getting more and more buttery croissant each derby (especially stealing someone elses idea with prehistoric cow tipping)
now I will give you that ninjas probably wasnt the best way to go, but jamescho won with a penguin which is supposed to be just as worn out if not more. the votes are biased whether you believe it or not. chances are you will less inclined to vote for dsladeks or my designs because of this conversation. people bring emotion to it. every work of art picaso did is a treasure nowadays even the buttery croissant ones. Jamescho has reached a point on here where his name stands for a lot. thats the critique. Just because a celebrity blows their nose with a rag doesnt make it any more than a snotty rag. the whale shirt is worthy of winning in my opinion, but the other two are soooo much weaker than other designs. I doubt you will care about any of this I've said, but like dsladek asdo I wants to see designs that are worth a vote win... we are just a minority though. no one cares for the integrity of art... I almost pulled my design because so many people thought it was sexual when its not intended that way... well perhaps soon dsladek and i will get over this, but remember we are relatively new and havent seen all the times this has been brought up, but if its been said as many times as it sounds like that only makes me think it might be true even more. more have felt this way.

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eHalcyon wrote:I have to side with brizz on this one. Most of the comments I've read from dsladek seem quite... arrogant.

dsladek, I admire both this submission and your previous one. I think you are a wonderful artist. The voters agree - look at how high your shirts are ranked. So you didn't win - that's no reason to be so bitter. Your consistent good standing suggests that it's just a matter of time. It may be frustrating that so many of Cho's designs are in the fog, but his art is just as clean and well drawn as your own, and his ideas resonate with the voters. I think yours do too - just not to the same extent in this particular derby.


I dont know, it doesnt seem that arrogant to me. but its always harder to know what someone means when it is just text. You cant hear their tone of voice or facial expressions. maybe he might have a pride issue, but I think his intensions are good.

eHalcyon


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Sachmoe64 wrote:I dont know, it doesnt seem that arrogant to me. but its always harder to know what someone means when it is just text. You cant hear their tone of voice or facial expressions. maybe he might have a pride issue, but I think his intensions are good.


I think what really struck me as arrogant was dsladek's comment that Cho had neither good ideas nor good design. It's an opinion, sure, and whether an idea is good or not is very subjective, but I just can't see how you could label Cho's work as anything less than good, if not amazing. The man has skills.

I think my main disagreement is in the power of a name. Cho's designs are excellent quality, and while you may not seem them as particularly clever, the average voter does. Speaking of the current entries specifically:

Treacherous Waters is an amazing design with ARTISTIC appeal - it isn't particularly funny (not to me, at least) nor cute - it's just amazing. It has the added advantage of being a resub, thus already having a lot of publicity from before. That's probably why it was able to skyrocket so quickly.

Gravity Discovers Newton - I think the colour choice was very eye-catching, drawing in many voters. The Newton reference, of course, makes it quite popular. I like this shirt, though I like other shirts below the fog better. But again, that's my opinion - what matters is the opinion of the masses.

The First Cow Tipper - I'm really not a fan of this one simply because of the dull colour palette and the arrows, but the idea is hilarious, which is probably why it has so many votes. Was the idea stolen? In this case, I believe that the name does matter. By reputation, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. It's definitely possible that he did steal the idea, but it just doesn't seem Cho-like, if you know what I mean. Anyway, this one isn't going to win anyway.

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eHalcyon wrote:In this case, I believe that the name does matter. By reputation, we should give him the benefit of the doubt.


Couldn't all of this be solved if Woot didn't reveal who made the shirt? I've not been here long enough to even know who Cho is, but there seems to be a lot of arguing about this and how much reputation matters - I find that the best way to solve these issues is by experiment :-D. Don't reveal who made the shirts for a few Derbies, and see what happens!

By the way, I'm new, and have no reputation helping me along! My derby entry is awesome, if I may say so myself, so vote on it!

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RussianPhysicsGuy wrote:Couldn't all of this be solved if Woot didn't reveal who made the shirt? I've not been here long enough to even know who Cho is, but there seems to be a lot of arguing about this and how much reputation matters - I find that the best way to solve these issues is by experiment :-D. Don't reveal who made the shirts for a few Derbies, and see what happens!

By the way, I'm new, and have no reputation helping me along! My derby entry is awesome, if I may say so myself, so vote on it!



It's been suggested before, and probably won't happen. I don't really think it's feasible. I mean, most people advertise their entries. It might be a bit revealing when people are shouting the praises of a particular design (especially if that design isn't all that good). It would work for the Cho issue though, since Cho doesn't really advertise at all. But the experiment would have to go on for several derbies to be at all conclusive. Regardless of what people tell you, Cho doesn't win every week.

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RussianPhysicsGuy wrote:Couldn't all of this be solved if Woot didn't reveal who made the shirt? I've not been here long enough to even know who Cho is, but there seems to be a lot of arguing about this and how much reputation matters - I find that the best way to solve these issues is by experiment :-D. Don't reveal who made the shirts for a few Derbies, and see what happens!

By the way, I'm new, and have no reputation helping me along! My derby entry is awesome, if I may say so myself, so vote on it!


Oh, and also:

I noticed that you included a thumbnail of your entry in your signature. That's a great idea. But here are some tips:

1. Add a link. Someone may like your design but, without a link, be unable to get to it and vote. They might be too lazy to go find it on the actual derby page, or they might not know how to find it at all. Either way, that's a potential vote lost.

2. Make it smaller, height-wise at least. These forums add a scroll-bar when a signature gets too long, which will obscure the design. I'm not sure what the maximum height is before the scrollbar appears - I think it's 100 px or less.

EDIT: I noticed the link about. You should really just put the link around the image, instead of separately. The code is like this (but without spaces) :

[ url="link"]image, text, whatever[/url ]

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eHalcyon wrote:It's been suggested before, and probably won't happen. I don't really think it's feasible. I mean, most people advertise their entries. It might be a bit revealing when people are shouting the praises of a particular design (especially if that design isn't all that good). It would work for the Cho issue though, since Cho doesn't really advertise at all. But the experiment would have to go on for several derbies to be at all conclusive. Regardless of what people tell you, Cho doesn't win every week.


The fact that you have to assure me that someone doesn't win *every* week already says something :-P.

OK, so forbid advertisement for those derbies that are hidden-artist experiments...no ads in sigs, no commenting on your own design. Enforcing this might be a little tricky, but I get the feeling that the type of people that go to shirt.woot would be for the most part cooperative with such a venture.

Once again, I'm too new to be pro or anti anyone, I'm just looking at what other people are saying and trying to ease the situation.

RussianPhysicsGuy


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eHalcyon wrote:Oh, and also:
EDIT: I noticed the link about. You should really just put the link around the image, instead of separately. The code is like this (but without spaces) :

[ url="link"]image, text, whatever[/url ]

Changes made, thanks for the suggestion :-)

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Sachmoe64 wrote:Ive read a lot of what dsladek has been saying and I dont see him as super focused on his design. He wants to see stuff worthy of winning as do I. the monkey shirt that would have won the greed derby had it not been clip art is just pathetic. Now I'm sorry I called anyone a Jamescho pet but seriously tgentry's abe lincoln is way more clever than all three of his in the fog. I dont dislike Jamescho himself by any means but Im tired of seeing his boring designs win. He can do so much better! Ive looked at his old designs that have won and some of them are really great, but as an artist it looks like his stuff is getting more and more buttery croissant each derby (especially stealing someone elses idea with prehistoric cow tipping)
now I will give you that ninjas probably wasnt the best way to go, but jamescho won with a penguin which is supposed to be just as worn out if not more. the votes are biased whether you believe it or not. chances are you will less inclined to vote for dsladeks or my designs because of this conversation. people bring emotion to it. every work of art picaso did is a treasure nowadays even the buttery croissant ones. Jamescho has reached a point on here where his name stands for a lot. thats the critique. Just because a celebrity blows their nose with a rag doesnt make it any more than a snotty rag. the whale shirt is worthy of winning in my opinion, but the other two are soooo much weaker than other designs. I doubt you will care about any of this I've said, but like dsladek asdo I wants to see designs that are worth a vote win... we are just a minority though. no one cares for the integrity of art... I almost pulled my design because so many people thought it was sexual when its not intended that way... well perhaps soon dsladek and i will get over this, but remember we are relatively new and havent seen all the times this has been brought up, but if its been said as many times as it sounds like that only makes me think it might be true even more. more have felt this way.


a lot of people say a lot of things that aren't based in reality. every day. All I can say is both of you should stop focusing on others and quit worrying about it. there's no point to it whatsoever. both of you have talent...it would be great to see that result in a cool shirt that gets printed.

and for whatever it's worth, i really liked rocket rodeo and voted for it the second i saw it. With one or two exceptions, i'm not so petty that I let names influence a vote one way or the other. and the couple i refuse to vote for earned that distinction long ago ;)

As for RR, i especially like the colors and it would look great on the cream shirt, but sadly it would probably done better on something other than cream. One thing you'll learn is that wooters have odd perceptions of some colors, and cream in particular is inexplicably plagued by a "pinkish" reputation...which isn't remotely true. I think dsladek in particular should spend some time paying attention to such details before he goes off on the merits of designs ahead of him and whatever else he deems "unfair." Woot is not your average crowd...it takes time to get a sense of what works here. Negativity isn't going to ingratiate you or him though...so consider toning it down and trying to be more positive.

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eHalcyon wrote:EDIT: I noticed the link about. You should really just put the link around the image, instead of separately. The code is like this (but without spaces) :

[ url="link"]image, text, whatever[/url ]



For some reason, when I did that, clicking the link redirects me to the page in the forum that I'm on!! The code I did was
...so I re-added a text link anyways! am I doing something wrong, or does that just happen when I click my own sig?

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RussianPhysicsGuy wrote:For some reason, when I did that, clicking the link redirects me to the page in the forum that I'm on!! The code I did was
...so I re-added a text link anyways! am I doing something wrong, or does that just happen when I click my own sig?


Whoops! I gave you the wrong code - slightly. Take out the quotation marks around the URL.

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mjc613 wrote:And monkeys and zombies.


definitely.

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Sachmoe64 and dsladek wrote:Every post this derby complaining about jamescho84.


OK, lets assume that jamescho84 did not enter any designs in this derby. You both would then be beaten by army guy (which might be clever but surely doesn't stand up to your level of "good" art since you believe that all of jamescho84's designs this derby are poor). After that, you would be being beat by sokowa, who has placed in 2 derbies with printings. After that, you would be being beat by tgentry, who is the second most printed designer at woot (according to other posts, not my research). After that, you would be being beaten by artulo (with a nice paper airplane design that is a resub). Sachmoe64's design, dsladek's design, AND tgentry's Lincoln design would all not be winning or even in the fog.

Would this make you happier? Would you be complaining less? You would be being beat by at least two people who are probably obtaining some votes based on name, sokowa and tgentry. You would be being beat by a roughly drawn design. You would be being beat by a resub of an entry from an earlier derby. This would make you happy and all things right with the world, correct?

The fact of the matter is, what wins week after week is what strikes a chord with the voters. That is IT. Do you really think that if the jamescho84 conspiracy is so strong that it would be sharing the fog with a design such as the army men? It seems to be the case that it is secured in the one of the top spots. I can assure you that only a small portion of the 700 votes it takes to get in the fog are from anybody who is voting on name alone. A version of the wave design that you feel is worthy placed fourth in the water derby. Go back and look at what beat it. The terribly powerful voting block that is responsible for sachmoe64's and dsladek's designs not winning this derby was unable to get even one of jamescho84's shirts printed, and lost out to other designs that some voters felt were less worthy (were they correct?).

Please, for all of our sakes, keep entering the derby, but try to look at the designs that win and ask yourself why they win based on the design. You will find that they win because the voters (that particular week) liked them. You don't have to bastardize your morals or your design or your artistic integrity to win, but you do have to learn how to catch the voter's eye. As indicated before, the artist you are complaining about has close to 100 total entries to his name, and has been working on tuning what he designs, the style he uses, and the concepts he picks to what he thinks the voters are looking for. This is what you should be doing, not attacking other people that you perceive are the problem with the relatively short time you've been studying the issue.

If neither of you can recognize how lucky you are to have such high placing designs in a contest such as this, with as few entries as you have made, than you need to reevaluate why you are participating. There are great designs here with <100 votes. Is jamescho84 responsible for that? No, those great designs didn't strike a chord with the voters this week. Both of your entries have, so be happy.

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Re: Ninja awesome move of greatness


ninjas are freakin sweet and i wish more people thou so of you superbly designed shirt, keep up the good work

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bluchez wrote:...... try to look at the designs that win and ask yourself why they win based on the design. You will find that they win because the voters (that particular week) liked them. .......



Just to add a few more notes to this discussion.

Many people love good designs, but don't necessarily want to wear them. Many people just care about the subject, and are ambivalent about design.

For instance, I would never want to wear a shirt with parachuters jumping out of my pocket, but I live with someone who plays war games and will love this. The main thing is that there is NOTHING else like this on the market. The designer found a niche where people who wear tshirts don't have many themed shirts. There are lots of military shirts, but not lots of funny military shirts.

Also, keep in mind that this site appeals to people who don't want to spend a lot on tshirts. If they already have 7 pirate shirts, they may give up an 8th even if the newer one is better that most of the others. It's just economics.

It takes a while to figure this group of voters out. Some will post their likes and dislikes for you, but most may only know what they like when they see it. As bluchez advised, take a look at past shirts and that may help you with future designs.

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i really like this shirt wish it would have made it to the fog of war. is there anyway we can still buy it or no?

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bluchez wrote:OK, lets assume that jamescho84 did not enter any designs in this derby. You both would then be beaten by army guy (which might be clever but surely doesn't stand up to your level of "good" art since you believe that all of jamescho84's designs this derby are poor). After that, you would be being beat by sokowa, who has placed in 2 derbies with printings. After that, you would be being beat by tgentry, who is the second most printed designer at woot (according to other posts, not my research). After that, you would be being beaten by artulo (with a nice paper airplane design that is a resub). Sachmoe64's design, dsladek's design, AND tgentry's Lincoln design would all not be winning or even in the fog.

Would this make you happier? Would you be complaining less? You would be being beat by at least two people who are probably obtaining some votes based on name, sokowa and tgentry. You would be being beat by a roughly drawn design. You would be being beat by a resub of an entry from an earlier derby. This would make you happy and all things right with the world, correct?

The fact of the matter is, what wins week after week is what strikes a chord with the voters. That is IT. Do you really think that if the jamescho84 conspiracy is so strong that it would be sharing the fog with a design such as the army men? It seems to be the case that it is secured in the one of the top spots. I can assure you that only a small portion of the 700 votes it takes to get in the fog are from anybody who is voting on name alone. A version of the wave design that you feel is worthy placed fourth in the water derby. Go back and look at what beat it. The terribly powerful voting block that is responsible for sachmoe64's and dsladek's designs not winning this derby was unable to get even one of jamescho84's shirts printed, and lost out to other designs that some voters felt were less worthy (were they correct?).

Please, for all of our sakes, keep entering the derby, but try to look at the designs that win and ask yourself why they win based on the design. You will find that they win because the voters (that particular week) liked them. You don't have to bastardize your morals or your design or your artistic integrity to win, but you do have to learn how to catch the voter's eye. As indicated before, the artist you are complaining about has close to 100 total entries to his name, and has been working on tuning what he designs, the style he uses, and the concepts he picks to what he thinks the voters are looking for. This is what you should be doing, not attacking other people that you perceive are the problem with the relatively short time you've been studying the issue.

If neither of you can recognize how lucky you are to have such high placing designs in a contest such as this, with as few entries as you have made, than you need to reevaluate why you are participating. There are great designs here with <100 votes. Is jamescho84 responsible for that? No, those great designs didn't strike a chord with the voters this week. Both of your entries have, so be happy.


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I am seriously bummed. I really wanted this one to win.

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SERIOUSLY bummed i cant get one of these =(

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