Derby #45: Imaginational Symbols
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Greedland

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tgentry


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Now I know some people don't like resubs, but I am very happy with this turned out. After seeing it like this I think the original was missing this kind of addition.

GravityJMB


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I'm so happy this is back! I loved the original.. and the additions definetley do look like they belong. Great job!

gtonfire05


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ha! I can Feel the greedy lil rodent, Nice


mjc613


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Excellent repurposing of a great design

karisse


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This shirt makes me smile- and think of the birds from Finding Nemo because they say Mine Mine Mine Mine Mine. :D I love it!

redghia69


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The King is back! I liked him then, and I like him now.

Temperance


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I loved this before! I like it even more this time... good luck!

byrbwr


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we didn't want it the first time and according to the votes we don't want it this time.

kiliaa


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Lovelovelove. I hope this makes it into the fog.

tgentry


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byrbwr wrote:we didn't want it the first time and according to the votes we don't want it this time.


Well I just submitted late last night so it's a little early to judge. If no one wants it then you should have nothing to worry about and life goes on.

maksterx


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Love it! gmv.

lyonessnyc


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Amusingly enough, my fiance (sitting across the room) looked up, and said, "Cool! Frak the world!" [headdesk] It is a great design. Good luck!

DagmarDobbs


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It's a great design, and who cares if it's a resub? I hope it makes it to the fog!

artulo


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Glad to see this one return, the new added pieces fit right in and really add to the design. GMV!!

ironmandrew


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I looooove your entries!!! Any explanations on how/ what program you make these in???

dedo


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Greedland's got my vote!! ;-)

Eastaer


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I really wanted this during the original run. Hopefully you make it this time.

36 Shirts and counting!

tgentry


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Thanks for the positive comments! I wish I had thought of submitting it sooner, but hopefully it can pull through as a late sub...

bluchez


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tgentry wrote:Thanks for the positive comments! I wish I had thought of submitting it sooner, but hopefully it can pull through as a late sub...


With the hotness change, late subs have a better chance than in the past, I think. Good luck.

Andy47240


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I love it again.



Sachmoe64


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I LOVED THIS SHIRT! I still wish it had won back in the greed derby! but I have to be honest TG, I liked it more without all the extra stuff. But you still have my vote... just as long as you dont beat mine jk

tgentry


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Sachmoe64 wrote:I LOVED THIS SHIRT! I still wish it had won back in the greed derby! but I have to be honest TG, I liked it more without all the extra stuff. But you still have my vote... just as long as you dont beat mine jk


Thanks Sachmoe! Normally I go for the originals more too, but I really like this one better. The other one was just kind of floating there, design wise. I think the extra details frame and anchor the globe onto the shirt.

jamescho84


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tgentry wrote:Thanks Sachmoe! Normally I go for the originals more too, but I really like this one better. The other one was just kind of floating there, design wise. I think the extra details frame and anchor the globe onto the shirt.

T -- aim

tgentry


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stargrey wrote:Apparently not enough people wanted it. And hopefully not this time either. This resub trend has got to be stopped!

You fanboys of certain designers are just sore losers - and you designers who keep resubmitting the same losing shirts should really try to come up with new stuff. You have talent, there's no arguing that, but your sportsmanship is sorely lacking. You're like kids throwing a fit - "I'm gonna keep entering this design till it wins."

Checks the blogs out there - people are walking away from shirt.woot because of the fanboys (a.k.a. people who rarely think for themselves) and the resubmitters. Y'all are making a few bucks, show us the courtesy of new designs.

FWIW, I voted for this the first time, but I don't vote for resubs.


Come up with some new stuff? You mean like what we do week after week? I don't understand the hate for resubbing a popular entry ONE TIME. This shirt got 680 votes originally. A lot of people really liked it. On any given derby that's more than enough to place in the top 3. The problem wasn't that not enough people wanted the shirt, it was that more people wanted the 4 above it. Should I not resub this entry that I took a lot of time on and was very popular because you think I shouldn't?

How is resubbing once 'poor sportsmanship'? "You're like kids throwing a fit - "I'm gonna keep entering this design till it wins." Please. I only resub an entry one time. If/when it doesn't get voted through I'm done with it. And if the argument that people didn't want it the first time around so they don't want it now was valid then no shirt that was resubbed would ever be printed. And that isn't true, lots of resubs get printed.

wizard7926


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tgentry wrote:Come up with some new stuff? You mean like what we do week after week? I don't understand the hate for resubbing a popular entry ONE TIME. This shirt got 680 votes originally. A lot of people really liked it. On any given derby that's more than enough to place in the top 3. The problem wasn't that not enough people wanted the shirt, it was that more people wanted the 4 above it. Should I not resub this entry that I took a lot of time on and was very popular because you think I shouldn't?

How is resubbing once 'poor sportsmanship'? "You're like kids throwing a fit - "I'm gonna keep entering this design till it wins." Please. I only resub an entry one time. If/when it doesn't get voted through I'm done with it. And if the argument that people didn't want it the first time around so they don't want it now was valid then no shirt that was resubbed would ever be printed. And that isn't true, lots of resubs get printed.


Well-put, Travis. I really like this one and won't get involved too extensively on the whole resubbing thing, but you guys really need to calm down. I've known TG for a few years now, dating back to the photoshop contest -- all he wants to do, and succeeds at doing, is create designs that people can marvel at and enjoy, and he certainly never does it with even a hint of snobbery or anything less than humility.. and yet you guys are trying to cut him to shreds when he resubmits a design that's much better than the original, which got a substantial number of votes before.

I'm done. I know you'll keep your head up, T.

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AdderXYU


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stargrey wrote:Apparently not enough people wanted it. And hopefully not this time either. This resub trend has got to be stopped!

You fanboys of certain designers are just sore losers - and you designers who keep resubmitting the same losing shirts should really try to come up with new stuff. You have talent, there's no arguing that, but your sportsmanship is sorely lacking. You're like kids throwing a fit - "I'm gonna keep entering this design till it wins."

Checks the blogs out there - people are walking away from shirt.woot because of the fanboys (a.k.a. people who rarely think for themselves) and the resubmitters. Y'all are making a few bucks, show us the courtesy of new designs.

FWIW, I voted for this the first time, but I don't vote for resubs.


People are walking away from shirt.woot for a lot of reasons. I am sure "fanboys" is far down the list after "continual submitters of copyrighted material," "perplexing and inconsistent rejection standards," and "poor quality control on entries," not to mention "voters who seem to like shirts more the worse they're done".

That said, the resub thing is getting a bit ridiculous. I have no problem with the same people winning often if they're putting out good work, but i do have a problem with old entries stealing the limelight from new ones. I'm going to single out Briannyc, who used to be a regular derbyist. The last time I saw him enter was over 30 derbies ago, when he got 4th place with a shirt most of us thought would be first, second in a fluke. He's given us a simple and smart design again this week, probably the most representative of the theme of everything in the fog. If I were him, I'd be quite upset if I found myself fourth, or unfogged, by two heavy-hitters posting resubmissions.

Gentry, you know I respect your work, but the whole resub thing ain't workin' for me. I know, you're not even the most apt to resubmit, but seriously, in the last three derbies, we've had two resubs print, one place, and two former threadless designs win as well. Woot has been a laughingstock in the shirt world for a long time for the reasons I've mentioned before. People like you and cho (and obviously other woot-based names) help legitimize it. If people would rather trade legitimacy for an easy cash grab, that's fine, but I'd hope woot would want to IMPROVE their site instead of turning their weekly contests into "a bunch of new shirts try to stay afloat against a cadre of near-misses." Enter weekly. Enter multiple shirts a week. Win every week with one, if not two. I don't care. A shirt that doesn't resonate is going to not resonate no matter who designs it, and at the end of the day, a shirt that wins is going to win not for the designer, but for the design. I don't buy the fanboy hooey. But I do believe that a familiar design racks up familiar votes. And I do believe you're better than that.

ETA: I read your response AFTER the fact of writing this, and trust me, I understand why you'd be upset. As I said, I've seen rather few gentry resubs, and you definitely put more into a resub than some do for a whole entry. I still stand by what I said, tho... I respect designers like you for their ability to pull out new and smart ideas weekly, and I don't want to come across as though that isn't the case. To me though, a resub in a slow derby like this is a slap in the face to the fog. I don't mean to single you out, but your entry is where the issue was addressed. If you would like me to elucidate anything, let me know, here or PM.

shan24


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AdderXYU wrote:People are walking away from shirt.woot for a lot of reasons.

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Woot has been a laughingstock in the shirt world for a long time for the reasons I've mentioned before.

Sources?

tgentry


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AdderXYU wrote:People are walking away from shirt.woot for a lot of reasons. I am sure "fanboys" is far down the list after "continual submitters of copyrighted material," "perplexing and inconsistent rejection standards," and "poor quality control on entries," not to mention "voters who seem to like shirts more the worse they're done".

That said, the resub thing is getting a bit ridiculous. I have no problem with the same people winning often if they're putting out good work, but i do have a problem with old entries stealing the limelight from new ones. I'm going to single out Briannyc, who used to be a regular derbyist. The last time I saw him enter was over 30 derbies ago, when he got 4th place with a shirt most of us thought would be first, second in a fluke. He's given us a simple and smart design again this week, probably the most representative of the theme of everything in the fog. If I were him, I'd be quite upset if I found myself fourth, or unfogged, by two heavy-hitters posting resubmissions.
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I think a good entry deserves a second chance to fix what didn't work the first time regardless of who does it. If it's a design that didn't resonate the first time then what's the big complaint, other than the minor annoyance of one extra entry in 300? If it gets votes then it's a relevant entry. The fact that it's a slow derby suggests to me the more entries the better, especially since the entries this week are getting relatively low vote totals. And my entry this week clearly isn't going to printed so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

I'm not going to stop resubbing a retooled entry ONE TIME because a few people complain about it and claim to know what needs to stop or what's best for the derby. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm better than something. I worked hard on that entry, I worked hard on improving it. I put a lot more time and effort into my resub than a lot of the others put into their originals this week. Not to mention I put a lot of time into my other entry this week, and yet people say 'stop being lazy and come up with original designs!'

Final point: Popular designs getting resubbed and printed isn't driving people away, it's upsetting a small handful and making a much larger shirt buying public happy that they are getting the chance to buy a shirt that they really wanted the first time around. That's ten people complaining, 1000+ happy. And who's leaving woot? Most of the same people from the start are still here. The vote totals go up and up and up. They keep raising the first run prints, now up to 2000. Not to mention they've gone international which will probably make this trend continue. I think this mass exodus is imaginary and I think the numbers back me up on that.

I don't take any of your comments personally Adder, we just have a different view on the resub issue. I'm not going to stop resubbing when I think it's appropriate, I'm sure Cho won't, and I wouldn't expect any other designer to either. As long as it's all in moderation it's fine by me.




jamescho84


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tgentry wrote::o

Cho Chuckles. puhehaha well said, well said.
Also to add- almost all the new designers here from TL or dbh have resubbed their entries from those sites. I think a good percentage of DBH entries are TL fails as well.

AdderXYU wrote:
Gentry, you know I respect your work, but the whole resub thing ain't workin' for me. I know, you're not even the most apt to resubmit, but seriously, in the last three derbies, we've had two resubs print, one place, and two former threadless designs win as well. Woot has been a laughingstock in the shirt world for a long time for the reasons I've mentioned before. People like you and cho (and obviously other woot-based names) help legitimize it. If people would rather trade legitimacy for an easy cash grab, that's fine, but I'd hope woot would want to IMPROVE their site instead of turning their weekly contests into "a bunch of new shirts try to stay afloat against a cadre of near-misses." Enter weekly. Enter multiple shirts a week. Win every week with one, if not two. I don't care. A shirt that doesn't resonate is going to not resonate no matter who designs it, and at the end of the day, a shirt that wins is going to win not for the designer, but for the design. I don't buy the fanboy hooey. But I do believe that a familiar design racks up familiar votes. And I do believe you're better than that.


I'm also going to add my two cents to this thing. I think when you spend time on a design, and I know travis spent quite a few hours on the original Mine! design, you grow attached to it. Sometimes, it's tough spending that much time and having it resonate with the voters only to have it lose by a place. Where does it go? To the big-do-over derby? Those of us who have the experience with those, know what to expect as winners. Look at yourself, a couple of weeks ago when you were fogged briefly, only to have the irony shirt reinstated, and then losing to it - that didn't feel great did it? It's the same way with people that lose out by a couple of votes in some derbies. Treacherous waters lost by 1 vote. Mythical creatures was a late entry and managed to get 6th. It's not only giving a chance to the people who wanted the designs, but giving the designer a chance to fulfill what they hoped would've been a print. I don't share your idea of what resubs are at all, or ever will. Probably because my resubs have been past the 60 day mark, meaning it's rightfully mine and I can do what I please with it. What you're questioning of me is ethics. Personally, if I spent 7-8 hours on this design originally, then another 6 to re-do it, I think it's you who is ignoring what kind of effort and time went into it, and more importantly - what the designer felt about the design when he/she did it.

I love my design when I did it, and the resub I did, I know for a fact travis does too about his. Sometimes it's not about making "just an easy buck," that's being presumptuous and calling my character into question. I pretty well aware of what the voters want, and if I was doing this for a quick buck, i'd spend an hour tops on my designs. Well I don't do that, nor does Travis. Give him a break.

ansharp


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Controversy aside, I sometimes daydreamed about this shirt after it placed 5th in the greed derby. I respect that you are taking a previously almost-successful design and trying to improve it, not merely resubbing on a different shirt color or making random changes to skirt woot's rules. I hope to buy a version of this emaculately-drawn silly king hugging his silly globe at some point in the future. Until then, I will continue to daydream.

tgentry


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Thanks James and ansharp. I just also wanted to add, woot now has a built-in cost to resubbing. This resub will likely not appear in the redo derby, which is one less shot I'd have then. That was a risk I was willing to take because I liked this entry in this derby. I'm not just throwing around resubs willy nilly. I think it fit really well and the changes were an improvement. I certainly wasn't out for a quick buck. I don't need the money from woot, it's simply a creative outlet that happens to pay as a bonus. Plus there are easier, less degrading ways to make a quick buck, like freelance work or becoming a gigilo.

bluchez


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tgentry wrote:I think a good entry deserves a second chance to fix what didn't work the first time regardless of who does it. If it's a design that didn't resonate the first time then what's the big complaint, other than the minor annoyance of one extra entry in 300? If it gets votes then it's a relevant entry. The fact that it's a slow derby suggests to me the more entries the better, especially since the entries this week are getting relatively low vote totals. And my entry this week clearly isn't going to printed so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.


I'd like to speak up once and for all and say that I would just like to see good artists quit submitting here outright. Actually, can I include some others that aren't necessarily good artists but I'm tired of competing against? If it suits everyone, I'd really like for tgentry, jamescho84, JadenKale, SkekTek, mihalis aya, rglee129, sokowa, zenne, haxrox, eHalcyon, daedalusknight, FableFire, Failoan, redghia69, edgarrmcherly, geekfactor12, riffmaster18, RobGlenn, superspryte, kenney9226, Bryan818, Sachmoe64, dsladek, ansharp, Josephus, artulo, and wooterer to please quit entering because it isn't fair to those of us who want me to win. I realize that if they all quit entering I still wouldn't win, but I'll amend the list at that time. Thank you everyone for helping support this worthwhile cause. (sorry if I left anyone out)

mihalis aya


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bluchez wrote:I'd like to speak up once and for all and say that I would just like to see good artists quit submitting here outright. Actually, can I include some others that aren't necessarily good artists but I'm tired of competing against? If it suits everyone, I'd really like for tgentry, jamescho84, JadenKale, SkekTek, mihalis aya, rglee129, sokowa, zenne, haxrox, eHalcyon, daedalusknight, FableFire, Failoan, redghia69, edgarrmcherly, geekfactor12, riffmaster18, RobGlenn, superspryte, kenney9226, Bryan818, Sachmoe64, dsladek, ansharp, Josephus, artulo, and wooterer to please quit entering because it isn't fair to those of us who want me to win. I realize that if they all quit entering I still wouldn't win, but I'll amend the list at that time. Thank you everyone for helping support this worthwhile cause. (sorry if I left anyone out)


I'm delighted to be on your list! Now, can I actually win something better than 3rd and 4th before people get to hate me? This week would be nice. I'm broke.

heartluce


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tgentry wrote:Thanks James and ansharp. I just also wanted to add, woot now has a built-in cost to resubbing. This resub will likely not appear in the redo derby, which is one less shot I'd have then. That was a risk I was willing to take because I liked this entry in this derby. I'm not just throwing around resubs willy nilly. I think it fit really well and the changes were an improvement. I certainly wasn't out for a quick buck. I don't need the money from woot, it's simply a creative outlet that happens to pay as a bonus. Plus there are easier, less degrading ways to make a quick buck, like freelance work or becoming a gigilo.


In your case tg, I think this design is perfect for this derby because of the globe and the imaginary country. I definitely see your point here. Gigilo, heh. Certainly probably get less flak....

Josephus


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bluchez wrote:I'd like to speak up once and for all and say that I would just like to see good artists quit submitting here outright. Actually, can I include some others that aren't necessarily good artists but I'm tired of competing against? If it suits everyone, I'd really like for tgentry, jamescho84, JadenKale, SkekTek, mihalis aya, rglee129, sokowa, zenne, haxrox, eHalcyon, daedalusknight, FableFire, Failoan, redghia69, edgarrmcherly, geekfactor12, riffmaster18, RobGlenn, superspryte, kenney9226, Bryan818, Sachmoe64, dsladek, ansharp, Josephus, artulo, and wooterer to please quit entering because it isn't fair to those of us who want me to win. I realize that if they all quit entering I still wouldn't win, but I'll amend the list at that time. Thank you everyone for helping support this worthwhile cause. (sorry if I left anyone out)


I appreciate the kindness of inclusion on your list. I'd like to cast my vote with you to convince everyone else to quit entering, too! C'mon people, give bluchez a chance! I know that he and, oh, let's see, maybe Notjosephus hasn''t been used by anyone- yeah, he and Notjosephus ought to get a chance to go one, two!

eHalcyon


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bluchez wrote:I'd like to speak up once and for all and say that I would just like to see good artists quit submitting here outright. Actually, can I include some others that aren't necessarily good artists but I'm tired of competing against? If it suits everyone, I'd really like for tgentry, jamescho84, JadenKale, SkekTek, mihalis aya, rglee129, sokowa, zenne, haxrox, eHalcyon, daedalusknight, FableFire, Failoan, redghia69, edgarrmcherly, geekfactor12, riffmaster18, RobGlenn, superspryte, kenney9226, Bryan818, Sachmoe64, dsladek, ansharp, Josephus, artulo, and wooterer to please quit entering because it isn't fair to those of us who want me to win. I realize that if they all quit entering I still wouldn't win, but I'll amend the list at that time. Thank you everyone for helping support this worthwhile cause. (sorry if I left anyone out)


I don't think I deserve to be on the list, but I am very much flattered. And bluchez, you've been in the top ten the last two derbies and are probably going to make top ten this week as well. It's only a matter of time.

On the whole resub issue... I joked in the cyberpub this week that I was disappointed by the resubs, but of course the real reason I didn't like seeing them was because they're such great designs that had already proven so popular that it makes my position in the fog that much more tenuous.

Seriously - both Cho's and tgentry's resubs deserve to be here. They were such near misses in the last derbies they were entered, and now they're here and improved. Cho redrew his entire design - the incredible amount of effort put into it is apparentt - and tgentry made some great additions to an already wonderful design.

Also, I don't think resubbing like this hurts the chances of HM and getting put into the do-over derby. Wasn't Zenne's Summertime entry a retooled resub?

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TurboGraphx16


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AdderXYU wrote:Woot has been a laughingstock in the shirt world for a long time for the reasons I've mentioned before.


Whoa, whoa, whoa ... there's a "shirt world"?

ilovethevalley


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I like it even better than the first time. The ribbon and background take it from a good to a great design. GMV.

haterade


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I have read all of the opinions in this thread about the resub issue... I am not a designer, but I love to see all of the effort and creativity that is put into the derby entries by all of the amazingly talented designers. What Cho said resonates the most with me; there have been several designs (Summertime by Zenne most recently) that broke my heart when they didn't print I wanted one so bad, and I think in those cases it is reasonable and appreciated that great designs get retooled and spiffed up for a second showing. I did not vote for Mine! when it was in the "Greed" derby, but I will vote for it this time. Thanks to all of the designers for their amazing work, and thanks to woot! for keeping me occupied so that I don't have to get any real work done during the day!

On a side note, I wish the banner said: "Greedland: What's mine is mine, What's yours is mine." Just a thought

eatingbrains


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The King is from Greedland! It makes sense!

endejester


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I -love- that this is back. Fingers crossed that it prints <3 Go go go greedy king!!

peppersagooddog


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I would agree that with resubs there should be a reasonable limit. There are some designs that got oh-so-close and should get another chance. Then there are designs that nobody wants to see again and again and have no chance of winning and yet there they are week after week until they get printed and thankfully go away.
I personally liked this one better sans text, but your king is still a gem Travis. If the voters can't see that here however, I would suggest a new medium. The message it conveys doesn't need words at all, it's not a schoolhouse...
Cho, your work is undeniably top notch, and I have suggested you make prints of your failed designs before. Here is me suggesting it again. The "myth" creatures design would have been my favorite of all time but for one small detail. I would pay top dollar for it and I'm sure other people would buy your prints if you put them all in one place and had a liink to it in your sig.
Derek, please for the love of all that is holy don't bring the gas mask back. I know you really like it and I know alot of wooteres liked it too, but god man have some dignity.
Kenney, you have improved so much over the past few months. Why not try to add a real design in there that is not pucker related? Do you realize you could actually win if there were no lips?
Shirtwoot, I've said it before and I'm saying it again. Get a grip and learn consistancy. Soon. If you don't want to waste time rejecting things at a certain level, then SAY so. Make clear and distinct rejection requirements. Quit pussyfooting around and learn to be concise. This passive agressive rejection style might be fun for some teenagers, but there is money involved here and people have a right to know what to expect.

katiethemac


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TG, this whole re-sub controversy is so dumb. I absolutely LOVE this shirt and I am so so glad that it and other shirts like it are getting another chance. GMV, and I'm glad to see that you're not listening to all those drinking the haterade. :]

fredv


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Gotta say I don't see any problem with resubs and don't really see why there should be a limit to them. If the submission fits the theme or can be tweaked to do so, I can't see why a designer shouldn't re-use their hard work. Once a design has won, then it should be retired. If people are tired of seeing a design, they won't vote for it. As it seems many people are often glad to see these resubs get a second chance, I don't see any harm in them.

As for the same designers winning, I think there are a few designers on here who have developed a following because they consistantly have pretty, funny, unusual etc. designs that appeal to the voters. These designs usually sell out when they win so it is obviously not "rigged" voting. I wouldn't have a problem with setting a limit on how often a designer can win, like they limit wins in radio contests for example.

Just my 2 cents.

2thFairy


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peppersagooddog wrote:I would agree that with resubs there should be a reasonable limit. There are some designs that got oh-so-close and should get another chance. Then there are designs that nobody wants to see again and again and have no chance of winning and yet there they are week after week until they get printed and thankfully go away.
I personally liked this one better sans text, but your king is still a gem Travis. If the voters can't see that here however, I would suggest a new medium. The message it conveys doesn't need words at all, it's not a schoolhouse...
Cho, your work is undeniably top notch, and I have suggested you make prints of your failed designs before. Here is me suggesting it again. The "myth" creatures design would have been my favorite of all time but for one small detail. I would pay top dollar for it and I'm sure other people would buy your prints if you put them all in one place and had a liink to it in your sig.
Derek, please for the love of all that is holy don't bring the gas mask back. I know you really like it and I know alot of wooteres liked it too, but god man have some dignity.
Kenney, you have improved so much over the past few months. Why not try to add a real design in there that is not pucker related? Do you realize you could actually win if there were no lips?
Shirtwoot, I've said it before and I'm saying it again. Get a grip and learn consistancy. Soon. If you don't want to waste time rejecting things at a certain level, then SAY so. Make clear and distinct rejection requirements. Quit pussyfooting around and learn to be concise. This passive agressive rejection style might be fun for some teenagers, but there is money involved here and people have a right to know what to expect.


Very well said.

kenney9226


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bluchez wrote:I'd like to speak up once and for all and say that I would just like to see good artists quit submitting here outright. Actually, can I include some others that aren't necessarily good artists but I'm tired of competing against? If it suits everyone, I'd really like for tgentry, jamescho84, JadenKale, SkekTek, mihalis aya, rglee129, sokowa, zenne, haxrox, eHalcyon, daedalusknight, FableFire, Failoan, redghia69, edgarrmcherly, geekfactor12, riffmaster18, RobGlenn, superspryte, kenney9226, Bryan818, Sachmoe64, dsladek, ansharp, Josephus, artulo, and wooterer to please quit entering because it isn't fair to those of us who want me to win. I realize that if they all quit entering I still wouldn't win, but I'll amend the list at that time. Thank you everyone for helping support this worthwhile cause. (sorry if I left anyone out)


peppersagooddog wrote:
Kenney, you have improved so much over the past few months. Why not try to add a real design in there that is not pucker related? Do you realize you could actually win if there were no lips?


Wow, to have two great compliments in the comment section of an entry by a warmly regarded artist is almost overwhelming. To appease you both, I will do my best in the future to make all sorts of incredible designs that would appeal to everyone, even those without the ability to pucker (or whistle!), and then not submit them anywhere.








SkekTek


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jamescho84 wrote:I'm also going to add my two cents to this thing. I think when you spend time on a design, and I know travis spent quite a few hours on the original Mine! design, you grow attached to it. Sometimes, it's tough spending that much time and having it resonate with the voters only to have it lose by a place. Where does it go? To the big-do-over derby? Those of us who have the experience with those, know what to expect as winners. Look at yourself, a couple of weeks ago when you were fogged briefly, only to have the irony shirt reinstated, and then losing to it - that didn't feel great did it? It's the same way with people that lose out by a couple of votes in some derbies. Treacherous waters lost by 1 vote. Mythical creatures was a late entry and managed to get 6th. It's not only giving a chance to the people who wanted the designs, but giving the designer a chance to fulfill what they hoped would've been a print. I don't share your idea of what resubs are at all, or ever will. Probably because my resubs have been past the 60 day mark, meaning it's rightfully mine and I can do what I please with it. What you're questioning of me is ethics. Personally, if I spent 7-8 hours on this design originally, then another 6 to re-do it, I think it's you who is ignoring what kind of effort and time went into it, and more importantly - what the designer felt about the design when he/she did it.

I love my design when I did it, and the resub I did, I know for a fact travis does too about his. Sometimes it's not about making "just an easy buck," that's being presumptuous and calling my character into question. I pretty well aware of what the voters want, and if I was doing this for a quick buck, i'd spend an hour tops on my designs. Well I don't do that, nor does Travis. Give him a break.


Thanks Cho for posting this. You might not think it matters, but it does to a lot of us. While I'm not in the resub fan group, I understand your rationale. It needs to be said. I wish we could get woot to officially agree to a 1-resub limit (or get rid of it altogether if it's what woot wants). I like Cho. I like tgentry. I like the designs. Woot should either modify or remove the resub restriction if these shirts stand. It's not fair to the folks who got designs rejected for revising and resubbing. The problem I have is that we don't have consistent rules. We should. Unfortunately, Woot could be liable for breach of contract for not following their own rules.

Summary: It's not the designer's fault. Not at all. So they should be left alone. People should crab to Woot, and woot alone. Next...

mia3mom


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bluchez wrote:I'd like to speak up once and for all and say that I would just like to see good artists quit submitting here outright. Actually, can I include some others that aren't necessarily good artists but I'm tired of competing against? If it suits everyone, I'd really like for tgentry, jamescho84, JadenKale, SkekTek, mihalis aya, rglee129, sokowa, zenne, haxrox, eHalcyon, daedalusknight, FableFire, Failoan, redghia69, edgarrmcherly, geekfactor12, riffmaster18, RobGlenn, superspryte, kenney9226, Bryan818, Sachmoe64, dsladek, ansharp, Josephus, artulo, and wooterer to please quit entering because it isn't fair to those of us who want me to win. I realize that if they all quit entering I still wouldn't win, but I'll amend the list at that time. Thank you everyone for helping support this worthwhile cause. (sorry if I left anyone out)


well said. I feel a bit left out, but then maybe I could place. ;)

c'mon people - lets find a new topic for whining. please?

& the Gaggle of Girls; so many shirts, so little space in the dresser!

kylemittskus


quality posts: 233 Private Messages kylemittskus
mia3mom wrote:well said. I feel a bit left out, but then maybe I could place. ;)

c'mon people - lets find a new topic for whining. please?


The dude who won the Spring derby with Zombie Season (a great shirt) had only submitted once prior to that... Design a good shirt.

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