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Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles

Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles
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eyeslikesugar


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Re: Inspired By Rocky Raccoon By The Beatles


Loved this then, want it now =)

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

Webfoot08


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illuminator


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That is awesomeness in a can! And it would go so well with the western derby too!

johncreillyphile


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IMO, If it wasn't for Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, this would be the worst Beatles song. Yay or Nay?

tjflashman77


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I'll help with "Good Rocky"s revival". Where has jamescho been anyway? Did he develop an aversion to money?

Greatest song ever written about JFK here. NSFW... or children... or anyone who's offended by the idea that JFK might have been a robot... fair warning.

tgentry


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johncreillyphile wrote:IMO, If it wasn't for Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, this would be the worst Beatles song. Yay or Nay?


No way I love this song! It's silly, sad, and a good story all at the same time. Also I love this entry and can't wait to wear it.

invisiblecrazy


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Not to be bitchy, but isn't this the one up over at DBH right now?
I know this was an invite-only do-over, but I thought with how weird woot is on copyright issues, they wouldn't want to take a chance.
I SWEAR i am not a "Cho-hater," I'm just wondering if it can be here while it's still up elsewhere...


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geekfactor12


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invisiblecrazy wrote:Not to be bitchy, but isn't this the one up over at DBH right now?
I know this was an invite-only do-over, but I thought with how weird woot is on copyright issues, they wouldn't want to take a chance.
I SWEAR i am not a "Cho-hater," I'm just wondering if it can be here while it's still up elsewhere...


It's out of the 60 day period, so this shouldn't be an issue. After the 60 days, artists can have their work removed from DBH, and I assume this request is currently in progress.

invisiblecrazy


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geekfactor12 wrote:It's out of the 60 day period, so this shouldn't be an issue. After the 60 days, artists can have their work removed from DBH, and I assume this request is currently in progress.


Cool. Thank you for not killing me. ;-)


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Discobiscuits


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Red stands out so nicely... :o

soulxside


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invisiblecrazy wrote:Not to be bitchy, but isn't this the one up over at DBH right now?
I know this was an invite-only do-over, but I thought with how weird woot is on copyright issues, they wouldn't want to take a chance.
I SWEAR i am not a "Cho-hater," I'm just wondering if it can be here while it's still up elsewhere...

Good point, plus this would be better suited for the western theme next week.

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johncreillyphile wrote:IMO, If it wasn't for Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, this would be the worst Beatles song. Yay or Nay?


Rocky Raccoon is one of my favorite Beatles songs. I'd probably go with Revolution 9 as the worst Beatles song ever, if you want to even call it a song.

AdderXYU


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aisidoro wrote:Rocky Raccoon is one of my favorite Beatles songs. I'd probably go with Revolution 9 as the worst Beatles song ever, if you want to even call it a song.


Drive my car or Love me do. Hands down worst. Rocky's a novelty song, and quite charming for it

cindyscrazy


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I NEED to get this shirt for my dad. He has a family of raccoons that he feeds on a regular basis. All of a sudden he's in love with all things raccoon.

"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it"--from a T-shirt

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aisidoro wrote:Rocky Raccoon is one of my favorite Beatles songs. I'd probably go with Revolution 9 as the worst Beatles song ever, if you want to even call it a song.


I have to agree on Revolution 9. And the best Beatles song is the entire Abbey Road album.

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Webfoot08 wrote:I have to agree on Revolution 9. And the best Beatles song is the entire Abbey Road album.


Revolution 9 killed Sharon Tate.

2thFairy


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johncreillyphile wrote:Revolution 9 killed Sharon Tate.


Give me a break.

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johncreillyphile wrote:Revolution 9 killed Sharon Tate.


That is funny.

kylemittskus


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geekfactor12 wrote:It's out of the 60 day period, so this shouldn't be an issue. After the 60 days, artists can have their work removed from DBH, and I assume this request is currently in progress.


I would like to hear this from Mr. Cho actually as to whether the shirt is being removed from that site or not. I like Cho shirts, but I dislike the idea of having a shirt sold somewhere else and then on woot also. I think it cheapens the derbies and stops original-only prints.

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geekfactor12


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kylemittskus wrote:I would like to hear this from Mr. Cho actually as to whether the shirt is being removed from that site or not. I like Cho shirts, but I dislike the idea of having a shirt sold somewhere else and then on woot also. I think it cheapens the derbies and stops original-only prints.


I think you may be misunderstanding the situation. This shirt was originally created for the derby. When it didn't win, the concept was redrawn for DBH. It wasn't chosen for print and is now past the 60 days in which DBH considers work for future prints.

This design was certainly original to Woot. As it is also (in my opinion) the most skilled piece ever submitted in a derby, I also am kind of amazing you think of it as cheapening the derby. With comments like that, it's easy to see why Cho no longer bothers to comment in the forums except on the rarest of occasions.

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geekfactor12 wrote:I think you may be misunderstanding the situation. This shirt was originally created for the derby. When it didn't win, the concept was redrawn for DBH. It wasn't chosen for print and is now past the 60 days in which DBH considers work for future prints.

This design was certainly original to Woot. As it is also (in my opinion) the most skilled piece ever submitted in a derby, I also am kind of amazing you think of it as cheapening the derby. With comments like that, it's easy to see why Cho no longer bothers to comment in the forums except on the rarest of occasions.


Easy there Tarzan. No need to swing to the rescue. I understand that this WAS a woot original. However, it has now been made available (and still is available) at another website. In my opinion, or rather, my wish, I wish that shirts on woot were only ever available on woot. Some of the dailies have been on other sites as well. Personally, I wish this wasn't so. The same is true for this design.
I am by no means attacking Cho and I agree, this is amazing art work. However, I was just wondering if Cho requested that this shirt be removed from DBH. The shirt itself is by no means cheapening the derby. It being available somewhere else, in my opinion, is.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

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kylemittskus wrote:Easy there Tarzan. No need to swing to the rescue. I understand that this WAS a woot original. However, it has now been made available (and still is available) at another website. In my opinion, or rather, my wish, I wish that shirts on woot were only ever available on woot. Some of the dailies have been on other sites as well. Personally, I wish this wasn't so. The same is true for this design.
I am by no means attacking Cho and I agree, this is amazing art work. However, I was just wondering if Cho requested that this shirt be removed from DBH. The shirt itself is by no means cheapening the derby. It being available somewhere else, in my opinion, is.

edited: Requested removal from dbh yesterday, should be sometime early next week.

Webfoot08


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johncreillyphile wrote:Revolution 9 killed Sharon Tate.


Oh, brother.

AdderXYU


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kylemittskus wrote:Easy there Tarzan. No need to swing to the rescue. I understand that this WAS a woot original. However, it has now been made available (and still is available) at another website. In my opinion, or rather, my wish, I wish that shirts on woot were only ever available on woot. Some of the dailies have been on other sites as well. Personally, I wish this wasn't so. The same is true for this design.
I am by no means attacking Cho and I agree, this is amazing art work. However, I was just wondering if Cho requested that this shirt be removed from DBH. The shirt itself is by no means cheapening the derby. It being available somewhere else, in my opinion, is.


The stuff in bold is untrue. It's not available anywhere else. It was submit to DBH with the hope of it later getting printed and therefore made available, but it's not available. Try buying it. You won't succeed. At this juncture, ol' Rocky being on DBH is like him being on Cho's blog (if he had one). You can't buy it anywhere, and DBH has no intentions of printing it.

In the case of dailies, I am all for woot taking awesome designs and finally giving them a chance to print, just as I am stoked that DBH has just recently printed Artulo's awesome Line Rhino. Daily shirts, anywhere, are all in one big long competition... Printing Sea Wolves doesn't mean some other awesome shirt is going unprinted... just that it will be printed a day, week, month later. Sure, plenty of good shirts are turned down by woot, but not for the sake of shirts from elsewhere... in all likelihood woot would turn them down anyway, silly as that might be of them. Again, these are shirts that never existed, never printed, and are still exclusive shirts to woot... if you see someone wearing a design you saw at woot, they bought it at woot. You're basically implying that once a shirt is entered into a contest, it can never be printed if it loses. Or that entering a contest means your shirt is available for purchase. Either way it's incredibly incorrect.

With the derbies, of course, I take a different tack... entering old work in a derby DOES cheapen the derby, because it gives you an advantage the others don't have... the average designer has 24 hours to work on a design to enter it at derby opening. A design from elsewhere not only could have potentially had weeks and months of time put into it, but may even draw a fanbase from the other site. Still, again, this derby is different. EVERY design has an automatic fan base, and just like every other design here, Cho's raccoon was created during the derby timeframe, FOR the derby. It was a woot design first, and a do-over derby is the one time where I'm happy to see a "re-sub".

Of course, if you must have your incorrect wrath, go for it. I expect an equal amount of venom for designers who removed designs without sales from their spreadshirt/cafepress shops, because unlike this raccoon, which never got printed and therefore never had a chance to sell, those artists had shirts that DID have a chance to sell, even if they never found a sale. I don't condemn these designers either... Spreadshirt is not even slightly ideal for shirt printing compared to a real deal screenprint, will never bring in woot-like revenue, and at the end of the day, a shirt which has never sold should be a viable choice for this derby. Still, if you're going to take that point of view, it's always best to be consistent.

geekfactor12


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kylemittskus wrote:However, it has now been made available (and still is available) at another website. In my opinion, or rather, my wish, I wish that shirts on woot were only ever available on woot. Some of the dailies have been on other sites as well. Personally, I wish this wasn't so. The same is true for this design.


I don't really understand this attitude, I think it's very unfair to the artists involved. To create a t-shirt design these artists are pouring hours of their time into building a concept, executing the illustration, and finessing their work. At the same time, each contest only prints a very limited percentage of all the entries submitted. I feel like you are asking all the hundreds of artists participating to basically throw away anything that wasn't successful the first time- representing a huge loss of effort and work. If everyone felt that way, it would essentially mean that Woot (or Threadless, or DBH) held the copyright for life even on losing entries, and I can't imagine that anyone would ever want to participate.

Rather than punishing or judging artists for taking chances at other sites, I think Wooters should support them. I'm glad as hell that Artulo's Line Rhino was printed at DBH, and if they hadn't chosen it (and it was out of the 60 days) I would have been happy to vote for it in this derby- it's a great shirt, plain and simple. I also don't think that it in anyway cheapened DBH just because the design was originally on Woot. Similarly, I think it's awesome that Wooters like klswoot and Skektek sell their former entries independently- I'd also be willing to vote for any of their entries that had been in their storefronts (but didn't sell any copies), because they do great work week after week on things that I'd love to see printed at Woot.

Being available means that people can and did buy it, in my opinion. Any other definition is needlessly harmful to the artists participating. When people put in this kind of time and effort, they deserve the right to try and reap some profits from their work without dealing with these judgements. The derby is lucky enough to have some truly amazing artists participating, and I wouldn't dream of telling them that they should just throw away their work merely because it didn't win on the first try.

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this is just gorgeous. I wasn't consistantly at shirt.woot during the lyrics derby, and so I don't remember this shirt design. And I would love to bypass it because it's inspired by a Beatles song and I am one of the few non-Beatles-fans around.

but the artwork is magnificent. Plus, it's a raccoon, and my step-brothers call me Ricky Raccoon for some unknown reason. I'm really hoping this stays in the fog!

& the Gaggle of Girls; so many shirts, so little space in the dresser!

kylemittskus


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geekfactor12 wrote:I don't really understand this attitude...


Adder, this is at you too.

Allow me to explain myself and then please, tell me if I am off-base in the shirt world.
I am coming from the English world as far as publishing articles and books and such. In the case of the Line Rhino, I am all for that. And, I think that I misunderstood the DBH situation.

This is what I have a problem with: a shirt being printed here on shirt.woot if it has previously been printed on/at another site and vice versa of course.

If an artist submits something to the derby and it is not printed, by all means, get that shirt printed. Like a book, if one publisher rejects it, shoot it somewhere else. However, if the book is printed, the author cannot allow a second publisher print the same book.

I think I misunderstood and thought that this shirt was printed on DBH. If it was just submitted to be and never was, then no worries.

Sorry for my misunderstanding. Now, am I still wrong in either of your opinions? Just curious since I am not a shirt designer, nor any kind of artist so I understand that the rules may be vastly different than the rules in my world.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

Discobiscuits


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jamescho84 wrote:edited: Requested removal from dbh yesterday, should be sometime early next week.


Hopefully it was a worthy choice. I swear that shirt has been itching to print for the last couple of weeks at Threadless. Look at all those damn comments!

eHalcyon


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kylemittskus wrote:Sorry for my misunderstanding. Now, am I still wrong in either of your opinions? Just curious since I am not a shirt designer, nor any kind of artist so I understand that the rules may be vastly different than the rules in my world.


Sorry to jump in here, but just in case anyone out there is hanging on this conversation, better not to deprive this entry of its votes.

Woot does not accept previously printed shirts. AT ALL. If it's been submitted at another website and has not picked up, they'll consider it and perhaps use it (such as they've done with several dailies recently), but if it has been sold anywhere else, it goes off the woot table.

Case and point - someone in the first do-over apparently had their entry rejected because they'd put their shirt up on a print-on-demand site and ONE shirt had been sold. I think the person said it had been rejected from the fog as well, where it was likely to get a victory.

So rest assured that neither this shirt, nor any other ever sold on woot, has ever been purchaseable elsewhere.

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geekfactor12


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kylemittskus wrote:This is what I have a problem with: a shirt being printed here on shirt.woot if it has previously been printed on/at another site and vice versa of course.


Just wanted to confirm that this is correct- Woot would NEVER print a shirt that had already been printed at another site.

If this shirt (or any other entry in the derby) had already been printed, I would agree with you that it should be removed. Luckily for us, Rocky Raccoon is one of the thousands of entries that DBH elected not to print. As such, we might get a shot at buying it for $10, which I vastly prefer ;)

I apologize if I misunderstood your intent, as I think we both agree that writers with unpublished manuscripts should certainly shop around until they find the right publisher

kylemittskus


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geekfactor12 wrote:Just wanted to confirm that this is correct- Woot would NEVER print a shirt that had already been printed at another site.

If this shirt (or any other entry in the derby) had already been printed, I would agree with you that it should be removed. Luckily for us, Rocky Raccoon is one of the thousands of entries that DBH elected not to print. As such, we might get a shot at buying it for $10, which I vastly prefer ;)

I apologize if I misunderstood your intent, as I think we both agree that writers with unpublished manuscripts should certainly shop around until they find the right publisher


This was my mistake. Thanks eHalcyon for the clarification. I have zero problem with this shirt being in this derby now that I understand the deal (that it was not printed).
Sorry again. I'm still learning.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

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this shirt was what originally made me get an account here, so i could vote for it and get it. maybe this time it will win? everyone vote for this shirt, it is awesome!

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[quote postid="2428908" user="kylemittskus"]Easy there Tarzan. No need to swing to the rescue.

imo, kyle, this was a l a m e way to address geekfactor when her comment was explanatory and not harshly stated.


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narkus wrote:[quote postid="2428908" user="kylemittskus"]Easy there Tarzan. No need to swing to the rescue.

imo, kyle, this was a l a m e way to address geekfactor when her comment was explanatory and not harshly stated.


And I apologized.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

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flower753


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I want this so bad! It just *has* to make it to print. Vote people, vote! Please!

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I think this shirt would appear to be nothing more than a raccoon dressed up in western clothes to 98% of people. It needs some kind of text reference to the Beatles. As is it seems like just another furry animal shirt trying to be cute... or is it? :P

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Wow, Cho, I didn't fully appreciate this the first time around. I'm glad we're seeing it again and am happy it's in the fog. Best of luck for it staying there. I might just have to lift my no brown shirt ban.

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I personally don't care for this shirt at all. I really hope that the following shirts surpass this one in votes before voting closes: Summertime, Oooh Shiney & Sashimi Hunters Woodcut

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I just thought that if this is inspired by the song, then where's Lil or the Gideon Bible or something more than a cowboy raccoon?

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mjl9320 wrote:I think this shirt would appear to be nothing more than a raccoon dressed up in western clothes to 98% of people. It needs some kind of text reference to the Beatles. As is it seems like just another furry animal shirt trying to be cute... or is it? :P


Lyrics Illustrated (where this entry originated) was a no-text Derby. But even if it could have text, would you really want it there? I think a big ROCKY RACCOON at the top or bottom or wherever would really distract from the awesome art on display. I'm also of the opinion that the only one who really needs to "get" the shirt is the wearer (probably not the case much of the time anyway...). Any gawker who doesn't understand at first glance is always free to ask.


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Kfulster wrote:I just thought that if this is inspired by the song, then where's Lil or the Gideon Bible or something more than a cowboy raccoon?


It's "inspired" by the song; it's likely what comes to mind for James when he hears it. It doesn't have to be the same thing you or anyone else feel about it. It'd be a little difficult to fit every element in the song's story on the shirt, no? I mean, where's the hotel room, the saloon, etc.? Is Rocky even really a raccoon, or was that just a nickname? It's an interpretation, not a record.


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Glad to see the racoon is back - cheroot and all!

WANT THIS SHIRT

GMV

tam5070


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This shirt simply will not die... *giggles* oh well wtg.

lightchild2006


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How can I buy this??

eyeslikesugar


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Oh noes! Why are you out of the fog, Rocky?! D= Now there's only one fogged shirt I'd buy. =(

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

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I LOVE the Raccoon t-shirt, I'm very upset it didn't win.

-Alex
AIM: Hubbs604 (I love talking to shirt.woot members)

littlejames


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I REALLY wish I would've bought this.
I'm new to woot...is there any way I can still buy this shirt?

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