Derby #54: The Old West
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Gogh West!

Gogh West!
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toe2254


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Bravo! Encore! GMV for persistence

Josephus


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:^D

The Old West was going strong about the time Van Gogh was alive. His style of art really fits with the time, and having a big plant in the foreground struck me as perfect for a cactus. The quiet native American village down below just seems perfect as the kind of thing he would have painted, if he'd taken Greeley's advice to Gogh West!

cloudberry


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Love it! Most definitely GMV.

klswoot


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Nice work Joe! I like that you stuck with the Van Gogh inspiration and created origina l and unique. Great choice of colors too!

Josephus


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klswoot wrote:Nice work Joe! I like that you stuck with the Van Gogh inspiration and created origina l and unique. Great choice of colors too!


Thanky, ma'am. ;^)

Van Gogh works a lot better when he's not pixelated. I really like the look of the tepees- I drew buffaloes in a big herd at first, but I think the tepees work better, and more in the spirit of the inspiration.

Teknikas


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I am not a fan of the 'Western' theme for this derby, just not my style. That being said...I think this is only appealing to some because its a modified version of 'Starry Night' and 'Starry Night' is an awesome painting.

klswoot


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Josephus wrote:Thanky, ma'am. ;^)

Van Gogh works a lot better when he's not pixelated. I really like the look of the tepees- I drew buffaloes in a big herd at first, but I think the tepees work better, and more in the spirit of the inspiration.


Ohhhh...the buffalo herd sounds nice too. Do you have a picture of how that one looked? I like the tepees too. But, I think I like the sky and the cactus the best.

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ok you got me to l o l at the title at least... its a start ;)

Josephus


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klswoot wrote:Ohhhh...the buffalo herd sounds nice too. Do you have a picture of how that one looked? I like the tepees too. But, I think I like the sky and the cactus the best.


no, I deleted them. They worked pretty good, I thought, but the tepees fit the idea better. I tried to redraw the buffalo for you, but I have lost the idea now. I can't draw horses well enough to do them, but I thought about a herd of wild horses too.

I really like the cactus too, especially the fantastical flower I invented for it.

tepees.



bjprice


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Congrats on a beautiful entry. This artwork is very imaginative and captures Van Gogh so well. Great work.

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Josephus


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bjprice wrote:Congrats on a beautiful entry. This artwork is very imaginative and captures Van Gogh so well. Great work.


thanks very much.

mjc613


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Van-tastic!

Wonderbunny


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So I think the art is cool here but I can't vote for it. If I ever showed up at home my father would shake his head at me and I would receive a long lesson on the fact that the only place those kinds of cactus' are found in Arizona and maybe New Mexico. Teepee's were mostly found among the plains Indians and not in Arizona and NM. The lecture would not be worth it.

AdderXYU


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It's like design hell, but without the comfort of knowing I'm dead

pauzhaan


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I love everything about it but the teepees too.

Long time Wooter. Never got a Bunch of Clipping Not one.

jmackey054


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This design is great.. I love it. I am a huge fan of Van Gogh, so I was very excited to see this shirt. I wasnt too sure about the Old West theme, but now that I see this.. maybe I'll actually buy a shirt for this derby. Hope this wins, Good Luck! =)

Josephus


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jmackey054 wrote:This design is great.. I love it. I am a huge fan of Van Gogh, so I was very excited to see this shirt. I wasnt too sure about the Old West theme, but now that I see this.. maybe I'll actually buy a shirt for this derby. Hope this wins, Good Luck! =)


Thanks, mack! Your appreciation is nice to hear.

brydesign


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If only Vincent would have had a wacom tablet.

grilledcheezeplz


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AdderXYU wrote:It's like design hell, but without the comfort of knowing I'm dead


I can think of a few people who might be comforted by that thought.

brydesign


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Just noticed a funny aspect of your comp image. the saguaro limb from the background looks like it is coming out of the shirt sleeve like an arm. Funny.

Josephus


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brydesign wrote:Just noticed a funny aspect of your comp image. the saguaro limb from the background looks like it is coming out of the shirt sleeve like an arm. Funny.


It totally does! I'd take credit for it if I believed I could get away with it. :^D

Maybe subconsciously I put it there, but most likely just a happy accident.

Please Vote for the Happy Accident! heh.

mjc613


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Wonderbunny wrote:So I think the art is cool here but I can't vote for it. If I ever showed up at home my father would shake his head at me and I would receive a long lesson on the fact that the only place those kinds of cactus' are found in Arizona and maybe New Mexico. Teepee's were mostly found among the plains Indians and not in Arizona and NM. The lecture would not be worth it.

You have to take do what is right for you of course. But for the record, Van Gogh was a Post-Impressionist or Expressionist painter. Actual copies of what people actually saw were shunned by the Impressionists, since that could be caprtured on film. (Photography was becoming very fashionable then.) Instead, these painters tried to capture how a scene made them feel, or the essence of a subject.

In this work, Van Gogh was capturing the essence of the west as he would have heard about it in France. Or if you prefer, Josephus has captured the essence of the American west as Van Gogh would have known about it.

I don't know if you could tell your Dad this, but it's here if you want to try.

Wonderbunny


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mjc613 wrote:You have to take do what is right for you of course. But for the record, Van Gogh was a Post-Impressionist or Expressionist painter. Actual copies of what people actually saw were shunned by the Impressionists, since that could be caprtured on film. (Photography was becoming very fashionable then.) Instead, these painters tried to capture how a scene made them feel, or the essence of a subject.

In this work, Van Gogh was capturing the essence of the west as he would have heard about it in France. Or if you prefer, Josephus has captured the essence of the American west as Van Gogh would have known about it.

I don't know if you could tell your Dad this, but it's here if you want to try.


Oh, I don't need a lesson on art history. I've take quite a few classes dealing with art and art history.

It is the American history in this image that is all wrong. Saguaro cactus' do not grow in places where you would see "plains indians". I bugs me a little that the artist (sorry, the style is great but...) did not spend a little bit of time researching to find out that you would NEVER see these two items together without is being a modern day tourist trap. Saguaro's would be in an area (and my father rambled off a few tribes but I can't remember them now) where the dwellings were mud or adobe like. It would NEVER be a teepee. I live in the west and love it, but for some reason people who have never been here or done more then a quick visit think saguaro's are found everywhere and they are not. Teepees are type of homes only a handfull of Native American's lived in - that area would be the midwest and maybe Utah or Wyoming. I'm a little disappointed that I haven't seen any cliff dwelling images from people. Cliff dwellings still wouldn't go with the saguaros but at least they are closer to the same part of the country.

Sorry for the rant. I don't have a problem with the technique in this image, but it seriously bugs me that is geographically wrong. To me it is like drawing a desert and then putting a boat in the middle of it. Which could have some very funny geological humor to it (much of the midwest and west use to be an ocean throughout history).

Impressionist painted what they saw very often. They dealt with light and shadow and movement. This is not a painting of what someone saw because you'd never see these items together unless it was a tourist trap shop. I don't think Van Gogh would have wanted something that was not real to life either which although the coloring is nice, is not real or even an impression of real life to me.

Ok, I think I'm done now.

fablefire


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Hehe... penguins and polar bears, saguaros and tepees oh my!

Josephus


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Wonderbunny wrote:Oh, I don't need a lesson on art history. I've take quite a few classes dealing with art and art history.

It is the American history in this image that is all wrong. Saguaro cactus' do not grow in places where you would see "plains indians". I bugs me a little that the artist (sorry, the style is great but...) did not spend a little bit of time researching to find out that you would NEVER see these two items together without is being a modern day tourist trap. Saguaro's would be in an area (and my father rambled off a few tribes but I can't remember them now) where the dwellings were mud or adobe like. It would NEVER be a teepee. I live in the west and love it, but for some reason people who have never been here or done more then a quick visit think saguaro's are found everywhere and they are not. Teepees are type of homes only a handfull of Native American's lived in - that area would be the midwest and maybe Utah or Wyoming. I'm a little disappointed that I haven't seen any cliff dwelling images from people. Cliff dwellings still wouldn't go with the saguaros but at least they are closer to the same part of the country.

Sorry for the rant. I don't have a problem with the technique in this image, but it seriously bugs me that is geographically wrong. To me it is like drawing a desert and then putting a boat in the middle of it. Which could have some very funny geological humor to it (much of the midwest and west use to be an ocean throughout history).

Impressionist painted what they saw very often. They dealt with light and shadow and movement. This is not a painting of what someone saw because you'd never see these items together unless it was a tourist trap shop. I don't think Van Gogh would have wanted something that was not real to life either which although the coloring is nice, is not real or even an impression of real life to me.

Ok, I think I'm done now.



So sorry I didn't get this right. It frustrates me that there's criticism of this design for such a relatively small error in geography. Yeah, had I taken a few hours, I possibly could have found something else for the foreground, but I wanted the cactus for the parallel to van gogh's use of a similar giant plant in the foreground of a couple of his paintings. I also wanted a 'village' down below, and chose to put tepees there- No-one lives in the desert where the saguaro grow, true? So any village I put there would be wrong. At least I didn't put in cowboys, though a ghost town might have looked cool. For Pete's sake, I have a river there- how likely is that in that desert?

The most likely other thing I might have put there was a bunch of buffalo- I actually had a bunch of them drawn before switching to tepees- I'm sure they would be no better than the tepees, so I don't think I could have gotten your vote no matter what I did.

As far as the cliff dwellings go, with his vision, van gogh would never have seen them. I actually made a cliff dwellings design, but I don't think it's right for woot, so I didn't submit it.

Oh, and by the way, in the time since you posted your 'rant', the new votes on my design have dropped to zero- so thanks for that, and I hope that's what you wanted.

mjc613


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Wonderbunny wrote:Oh, I don't need a lesson on art history. I've take quite a few classes dealing with art and art history.

It is the American history in this image that is all wrong....... etc.

Please ignore my previous comment. I understood the design to be a parody (and if I got that wrong, my apologies to Josephus) so I replied in kind. It obviously did not come across right. I was not trying to prove that I am an Art Historian- I ain't. If that came across as offensive, it wasn't meant to be.

Movin' on.

Wonderbunny


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Josephus, my intention was just stating why I would never purchase this shirt. If people choose not to vote based on that, I can't help it. Part of the comments section for the derby is for both criticism and praise. I like the style, I do not like the historical inaccuracies. I grew up with a father who enjoyed the history of the west so I learned a ton and to me, that small inaccuracy is noticible. I doubt one in 200 people in the west would notice it, but I did. I commented on what I saw - which I posted days ago that I would not purchase it due to the cactus and the tepee. Then today, when someone responded to my comment, I went on a rant because I'm anal and it bothers me. I do realize this is a t-shirt and I shouldn't expect much but sometimes, the belief that it was all tepees, cactus and cowboys get really annoying.

I hope your votes come back, because like I said, I like the style. I just couldn't wear it myself.

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Skyler8899


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Spankythedog wrote:


man...this is the only one i really want!! i hope it moves up!

Josephus


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Ooh! I just need 1 vote to break 400! Someone, please, 1 vote!

Adder! c'mon, Adder, you think I'm a child, so what the hell- pleez give me a vote. It ultimately will mean nothing, except to give you the satisfaction of knowing that I owe you!

How about false-Adder? If you have bought anything, you can give me a vote, bub, and annoy true-Adder a little bit- it's worth that, isn't it? c'mon, buy today's shirt, just for that reason! and because it is a super shirt, again from the cheezsammich eater.

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Thanks for the vote, whichever of you guys voted!

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