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This reminds me of something.

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what does this have to do with 'Working' as in the work force?

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I'm sorry, but I don't see how this is on theme. And haven't we already had a few corner koi printed?

JadenKale wrote:what does this have to do with 'Working' as in the work force?

isn't the theme "Work"? well, "urban painting" is my part-time job. the streets is my workplace.

mia3mom wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't see how this is on theme.

you can say it's a portrait of an artist at work. work can be fun too, sometimes.

And haven't we already had a few corner koi printed?

none of this scale, i think. :]

JadenKale wrote:what does this have to do with 'Working' as in the work force?

Yeah... being a painter is work too, just because mostly everyone is doing corporate stuff, doesn't mean it's the only choice.

o.0

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missed the the previous koi
(but really liked them!)

this is quite nice, i like the add of the painter & the brown "paint splashes" leading into black artwork

would prefer another shirt color (please?) - grey-brown combo makes it look muddy/muddled
Voted up!

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I love the artistry of this entry. all the other entries so far are so blah!

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Excellent design!

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While koi has been done quite a few times already, I really like yours. It has your signature gritty and urban look to it.

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Lawl...

"Oh noes... more koi" ... "Oh noes... the shirts haz no cubicle"

C'mon. We've had multiple birds, trees, turtles, etc., and art is totally work related.

The browns against the grays don't quite work for me, but I love your lines and inky-ness as always. =D

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thank you.

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"If you're at work, you're surrounded by inspiration for this week's theme. It's work, Morrissey's least favorite four-letter word, every bit as inevitable as death and taxes and sometimes even more humiliating. From the thrill of payday to the agony of mandatory meetings, from clock-in to clock out, from the deepest sewer to the highest skyscraper, work has a billion stories to tell. Find a good one and make a shirt out of it.
Text is allowed this week, but only if accompanied by graphics. In other words, no slogan-only shirts. But text can be a major element of your design."


There was no limitation here really. I am an artist, outside of my full time job, and it IS WORK! Designing these shirts is work...someone should have done a shirt about shirts....GMV!

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Cool shirt, but wouldn't you have be to paid as an "urban painter" for this to be considered work? If you're doing it as a hobby or as your art you may be working on something, but you're not at work. I guess if someone paid you to paint a mural it would qualify. It will be interesting to see how woot sees this one.

fablefire wrote:Lawl...

"Oh noes... more koi" ... "Oh noes... the shirts haz no cubicle"

C'mon. We've had multiple birds, trees, turtles, etc., and art is totally work related.

The browns against the grays don't quite work for me, but I love your lines and inky-ness as always. =D

Totally agree with fablefire regarding on theme. It is a painter at work. Not sure why that would be seen as not fitting. Furthermore, it is a beautiful piece and I would hope it does not get rejected. Take a look at the entries. Plenty of things posted that are not "legitimate" jobs or directly job-related, but they are interpretations of work by each individual. And I absolutely would see urban painter as a legitimate job. You should see some of the awesome murals in my area. Speaking of which, I do think this would look great on a shirt or wall. Great work. GMV.

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nice design, but not feeling the theme at all.

work: exertion or effort directed to produce or accomplish something.

"Work" can be interpreted a million different ways, just as "home" was in the Home derby. I don't think it has to involve an office or cubicle. And plenty of people work without being paid - for example, volunteer work environments should be as valid in this derby as paid work environments. It's a pretty limited view that excludes non-standard 9-to-5 jobs.

That being said, I like the shirt. The colors are a bit muddy for me but the artwork is quality

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This is a very cool design, but i think it is a stretch for the theme. I'm sure something will come up soon that this would fit in.

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I am thoroughly confused at the high number of digs this design is taking in regards to fitting the theme. As I had previously mentioned, as have others, work is highly interpretive and can be rendered in many ways. Why would a painter at work be an exception? Speaking of interpretations, it is my opinion that this design is being targeted less for theme questionability, and more because it is doing so well. The proof of this is the lack of commentary on other less successful, theme-challenged designs in this derby that don't seem to be generating even remotely the level of controversy being met by this one. I'm all for fair criticism, but I would hope folks would be a bit more objective when leveling it at others, lest it happen to you.

earthart wrote:I am thoroughly confused at the high number of digs this design is taking in regards to fitting the theme. As I had previously mentioned, as have others, work is highly interpretive and can be rendered in many ways. Why would a painter at work be an exception? Speaking of interpretations, it is my opinion that this design is being targeted less for theme questionability, and more because it is doing so well. The proof of this is the lack of commentary on other less successful, theme-challenged designs in this derby that don't seem to be generating even remotely the level of controversy being met by this one. I'm all for fair criticism, but I would hope folks would be a bit more objective when leveling it at others, lest it happen to you.

I think the issue is that it IS doing just that well. Most of the time people don't worry about a design's lack of thematic content if it's got no chance of winning, but with a design that has a chance, things like theme and the like DO become issues. If there seems to be more of that because of it's success, it's because people are concerned as to whether or not something they feel doesn't qualify might be taking attention and a potential print away from people who more closely followed the theme. This is a contest, not a free for all, and personally I'm glad that there are people around who can tell me whether my work may or may not be what the contest needs. It ideally improves the content and gives more deserving work that precious print.

Woot will decide what they decide. Until then, people have a right to voice their concerns and opinions without being ridiculed as jealous.

earthart wrote:I am thoroughly confused at the high number of digs this design is taking in regards to fitting the theme.

Sadly, I suspect it's taking digs because it's good and because kdeuce's designs frequently fog. It's quite obviously on theme.

kdeuce wrote:isn't the theme "Work"? well, "urban painting" is my part-time job. the streets is my workplace.

so - you get paid to graffiti, or paint street lines?

mia3mom wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't see how this is on theme. And haven't we already had a few corner koi printed?

That doesn't stop them from printing birds on branches, now does it?

AdderXYU wrote:I think the issue is that it IS doing just that well. Most of the time people don't worry about a design's lack of thematic content if it's got no chance of winning, but with a design that has a chance, things like theme and the like DO become issues. If there seems to be more of that because of it's success, it's because people are concerned as to whether or not something they feel doesn't qualify might be taking attention and a potential print away from people who more closely followed the theme. This is a contest, not a free for all, and personally I'm glad that there are people around who can tell me whether my work may or may not be what the contest needs. It ideally improves the content and gives more deserving work that precious print.

Woot will decide what they decide. Until then, people have a right to voice their concerns and opinions without being ridiculed as jealous.

I see no ridicule in my voicing my opinion in standing up for this design, and that certainly wasn't the intent. Your response does not address the core of this issue. In your opinion, does this design meet the theme of work? If in your opinion it does not, then you are entitled to that opinion. I obviously would disagree with you if that were the case. Again, no harm done. What in my opinion is happening here is that something to me that can clearly be interpreted as work is being made to sound like it doesn't remotely fit the theme. Minus the painter, then I agree with those who say that. But with the painter, I really do not see a debate as to whether or not it fits the theme. Again, my opinion. I almost did a stay-at-home mother design. I'm sure there are those out there who might have voiced dissent as to its theme worthiness. But that's the slippery slope to me and that's why this is pretty open to interpretation. Don't you think that is why woot chose to be ambiguous in its own definition of work. Ultimately it will be their decision anyway, but reading the derby instructions, I believe this design should in no way be rejected.

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Very sweet work.

Patchitect wrote:so - you get paid to graffiti, or paint street lines?

Work isn't necessarily for pay, and pay itself can be widely interpreted (a workhorse works for food, but it does indeed work). As for pay for graffiti, believe it or not many do get paid for that line of work. A friend of mine in Miami (see Jona Cerwinske) has made quite a nice career for himself using his graffiti style and does still work publicly as well. Even a common tagger might embellish his resume by putting the title Public Relations Specialist. We all have our take on this I guess. I'm just of the opinion that this piece definitely comprises someone hard at work, paid or not.

earthart wrote:I see no ridicule in my voicing my opinion in standing up for this design, and that certainly wasn't the intent. Your response does not address the core of this issue. In your opinion, does this design meet the theme of work? If in your opinion it does not, then you are entitled to that opinion. I obviously would disagree with you if that were the case. Again, no harm done. What in my opinion is happening here is that something to me that can clearly be interpreted as work is being made to sound like it doesn't remotely fit the theme. Minus the painter, then I agree with those who say that. But with the painter, I really do not see a debate as to whether or not it fits the theme. Again, my opinion. I almost did a stay-at-home mother design. I'm sure there are those out there who might have voiced dissent as to its theme worthiness. But that's the slippery slope to me and that's why this is prettIy open to interpretation. Don't you think that is why woot chose to be ambiguous in its own definition of work. Ultimately it will be their decision anyway, but reading the derby instructions, I believe this design should in no way be rejected.

I will in no way imply that art is not work. I know the work I need to put in to make my entries get to be decent, and I am sure the artists and designers who do more and better every week know just how hard it is even more than me. However, as I read the topic, I feel there is a certain flavour of work woot requires... a more "classic" take, something more tedious and strenuous and above all something more condensed in definition. To me, we run the risk of allowing a soccer shirt because that is a soccer player's job, or a hot-air-balloonist, because his job is to take people up in balloons. I think woot NEEDS a restriction on their definition, or else the theme's existence is moot. So while I do believe it is a gray area, I also believe that it is not in the true spirit of woot's intention.

And it was not to single your response out, but to say that every week this happens... people assume that everyone is in it for the money, about the shirt that the commenter wants. Sometimes it's just a wish for a more structured contest. While your comment may not have highlighted that belief, it is nevertheless true that derby after derby, people are unable to accept criticism, harsh, gentle, constructive or not, and instead lash out at anyone who offers an opinion as to why an idea simply isn't all it's cracked up to be. That should be why the forums exist... to discuss, not to simply shout "GMV".

Again, woot will do what they do. I just hope they make a decision sooner than after labor day, for the sake of whatever entries have a shot at the fog by then

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I think this is beatuiful.

And I think you've done something refreshing by depicting work as something to be enjoyed and even admired. You're right, not every job is about cringing behind the Customer Service counter.

bellarific wrote:I think this is beatuiful.

And I think you've done something refreshing by depicting work as something to be enjoyed and even admired. You're right, not every job is about cringing behind the Customer Service counter.

I misspelled beautiful. Wooooonderful. I need a drink.

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*shouts* GMV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea I know I can't vote. I can still shout.

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in for one!

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I say this is all good with the theme. Just because it breaks the stereotypical picture of work with a cubicle and a boss doesn't negate its connection to "work."

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Really nice colors around the fish.

It looks like work to me. That is one heck of a wall that guy is painting on considering he is using a brush and no sprayer! That would be a LOT of work actually.

AdderXYU wrote:I will in no way imply that art is not work. I know the work I need to put in to make my entries get to be decent, and I am sure the artists and designers who do more and better every week know just how hard it is even more than me. However, as I read the topic, I feel there is a certain flavour of work woot requires... a more "classic" take, something more tedious and strenuous and above all something more condensed in definition. To me, we run the risk of allowing a soccer shirt because that is a soccer player's job, or a hot-air-balloonist, because his job is to take people up in balloons. I think woot NEEDS a restriction on their definition, or else the theme's existence is moot. So while I do believe it is a gray area, I also believe that it is not in the true spirit of woot's intention.

I agree with you that such an open interpretation of the theme "Work" means that pretty much anything could be made to "fit" the theme. I disagree in that I think this was Woot's intention. In the derby description they mention sewers - that's probably not the first thing that pops into your mind when you think of "work". I think this design is on theme, since the theme is simply "Work" and not "At the Office".

eHalcyon wrote:I agree with you that such an open interpretation of the theme "Work" means that pretty much anything could be made to "fit" the theme. I disagree in that I think this was Woot's intention. In the derby description they mention sewers - that's probably not the first thing that pops into your mind when you think of "work". I think this design is on theme, since the theme is simply "Work" and not "At the Office".

I agree completely. "...from the deepest sewer to the highest skyscraper, work has a billion stories to tell. Find a good one and make a shirt out of it. ..." Work stories are not all war stories, tales of unhappiness & woe. What one does for work can bring about beautiful things, as this shirt illustrates very well. I think this is on theme, however subtly. GMV

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wow o.o this shirt PWNS i would have to say it is one of my top 3 shirts of all time. i pray that it gets printed!

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i'll keep my vioce low and just say: IMHO it's ugly on that asphalt shirt.

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I like the choice of the gray shirt. While others see the color as making it too muddy, I see it as showcasing the idea that the artist is "working" to cover a dull gray wall with something beautiful.

Big fan of Banksy, Big fan of this shirt. Now if they would just print it!

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I'm still on the fence about relation to the theme. I think my biggest problem with it is all anyone has to do is take a design that's totally unrelated to the derby, stick a tiny little painter painting it, and presto, it's about "work". No one looking at it would ever think it was work related unless they were given the full cover story. Have a picture of a sunbathing moose lying around? Just have a little one inch guy painting it and submit. It's not very fair to anyone who did an actual design pertaining to the theme. This is for daily subs or until a derby comes around that's it's on topic for. Since Kduece seems pretty popular it probably won't be rejected, and it will make a good shirt that will sell out, so it's probably a moot point discussing it.

female wrote:I'm still on the fence about relation to the theme. I think my biggest problem with it is all anyone has to do is take a design that's totally unrelated to the derby, stick a tiny little painter painting it, and presto, it's about "work". No one looking at it would ever think it was work related unless they were given the full cover story. Have a picture of a sunbathing moose lying around? Just have a little one inch guy painting it and submit. It's not very fair to anyone who did an actual design pertaining to the theme. This is for daily subs or until a derby comes around that's it's on topic for. Since Kduece seems pretty popular it probably won't be rejected, and it will make a good shirt that will sell out, so it's probably a moot point discussing it.

sounds about right.

female wrote:I'm still on the fence about relation to the theme. I think my biggest problem with it is all anyone has to do is take a design that's totally unrelated to the derby, stick a tiny little painter painting it, and presto, it's about "work". No one looking at it would ever think it was work related unless they were given the full cover story. Have a picture of a sunbathing moose lying around? Just have a little one inch guy painting it and submit. It's not very fair to anyone who did an actual design pertaining to the theme. This is for daily subs or until a derby comes around that's it's on topic for. Since Kduece seems pretty popular it probably won't be rejected, and it will make a good shirt that will sell out, so it's probably a moot point discussing it.

After reading the discussion that's been had here, I have to agree with those who say that art can be work - with or without payment - and that because it is a form of work, it fits the theme. I can understand your point of view, but at the same time, does the theme really have to be taken classically and with the usual cliche ideas? (i.e. offices, cubicles, stress, paperwork, 9-to-5 jobs, etc etc) The theme explanation that woot gave included the classic ("From the thrill of payday to the agony of mandatory meetings, from clock-in to clock out...) but also the contemporary ("...from the deepest sewer to the highest skyscraper, work has a billion stories to tell.") Why get huffy and miffed because this design doesn't fit into that former category?

Like I said I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I find it somewhat offensive as an artist (in "real life") to hear someone belittling as beautiful a design as this concept by saying anyone could do something like it with any picture and "a tiny little painter painting it." Personally I find the "painting" that is being made by the painter to completely embody the whimsical and free-flowing designs that can be seen on the street. I think Kdeuce has captured the essence of a street artist in this design, and that it's not a farce just because it doesn't deal with paperclips and waterjugs and cubicles.

Bottom line, I don't want Kdeuce's efforts here to be belittled.

Acornbandit wrote:Like I said I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I find it somewhat offensive as an artist (in "real life")

I've been writing and then deleting reply's all day on this same thread. At first I just put it down to Cho not being around as a target. But it continues. I've been there with the enormous wall and a five inch brush. And a paycheck. I'm nobody. But Robert Wyland has sure made a career painting public whales. Why not koi? There is much more to work than doing some job that results in being a sour person. No reason to project that attitude onto a job that is pleasurable. Nor onto a reflection of pleasant work.

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i think this is a great design, but i have to add that to me it looks like you had a cool koi design and added the guy at the bottom to legitimize it for this derby. which really doesn't bother me that much. i think if you had taken it a step further and added a sidewalk and maybe some brick texture it would have sold the design better.

art is work, i can agree with you there, and so IMO this design does meet the derby theme... more or less. points for thinking outside the box.. or cubicle as the case may be.

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I disagree with the comments that say this isn't about the work force. The guy is a painter. Therefore, the shirt shows him working.

And I think the design looks great.

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Gorgeous illustration, there's so much movement incorporated. I think the placement is perfect, love your color choices as well.

kylemittskus wrote:I say this is all good with the theme. Just because it breaks the stereotypical picture of work with a cubicle and a boss doesn't negate its connection to "work."

Agreed. I had a feeling we would see a slew of cubicle office job entries. Work is work, no matter if you're getting a paycheck or not. I stay at home with my kids and work my arse off day in and day out. My day doesn't end at 5:00. I like, I voted. Good luck!

On theme or not, I like it. I'd definitely buy this shirt

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Has this shirt set a record yet for longest winded commenting?

toe2254 wrote:i think this is a great design, but i have to add that to me it looks like you had a cool koi design and added the guy at the bottom to legitimize it for this derby. which really doesn't bother me that much. i think if you had taken it a step further and added a sidewalk and maybe some brick texture it would have sold the design better.

art is work, i can agree with you there, and so IMO this design does meet the derby theme... more or less. points for thinking outside the box.. or cubicle as the case may be.

I agree , more or less . art is work. this design is missing a latter to get to the top of the design, thats all.

toe2254 wrote:i think this is a great design, but i have to add that to me it looks like you had a cool koi design and added the guy at the bottom to legitimize it for this derby. which really doesn't bother me that much. i think if you had taken it a step further and added a sidewalk and maybe some brick texture it would have sold the design better.

art is work, i can agree with you there, and so IMO this design does meet the derby theme... more or less. points for thinking outside the box.. or cubicle as the case may be.

I too, agree with you. but Though I wouldn't buy this shirt. It is missing the ladder in which he painted the top of the design.

TAYLORT5 wrote:I too, agree with you. but Though I wouldn't buy this shirt. It is missing the ladder in which he painted the top of the design.

This is quite simply the most asinine complaint I have ever seen about any shirt, any THING really, ever. It shows absolutely NO imagination, no ability to think beyond what is directly presented. I can see using little brick texture, but it isn't needed to sell the design. Not all walls are exposed brick. Anything else would have been too much. As it is, everything is presented beautifully and completely. Any ability to reason would supply all the information you needed to get this shirt. Also, Is it so hard to imagine that KDeuce perhaps thought "I want to do a painter...what should I have him painting..." rather than "How do I get this koi design into this completely unrelated derby..."

I know that you probably don't want my endorsement after that little tirade, KDeuce, but I adore this shirt. It deserves first place. Thumbs up for having the only design this derby to get my vote.

My apoligies for the harshness of this post, I'm in an easily ticked off mood.

TAYLORT5 wrote:I too, agree with you. but Though I wouldn't buy this shirt. It is missing the ladder in which he painted the top of the design.

Heh, it's absolutely obvious for me the guy can fly. Can't you? Oh i'm sorry ;P

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I'm not even going to touch the "Is this really work or not" argument. I just want to say that I love the painter at the bottom, but I'm not crazy about the koi. If there is no ladder, then he should have wings. That is all.

No wait! That's not all! Your style is really very good. You're good. Now that's all!

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This completely reminds me of a combo of Derek's Urban Artist (Nightmare on Wall Street) and kls' Swimming Koi. I'm also not a big fan of brown on asphalt.

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Love the colors. Love the koi. Love the painter more. Would buy this even if the worker was painting a stripe. I need 3.

This is my favorite of the shirts in this derby and of all Koi shirts in general. Awesome work and the painter makes the shirt a 100 times better. GMV across the board. I'll be buying

I love it, awesome job designer. Be my 3rd woot shirt

Just a little comment on the ladder issue: He is oviously WELL past being done with the highet parts of his painting,he has no need of a ladder at this moment in time. I don't know about you, but I think I'd prefer to move an object which would block my access rather than to leave it there so it makes more sense to anyone who might be looking at a picture of that particular moment in time.

gravitybound wrote:Just a little comment on the ladder issue: He is oviously WELL past being done with the highet parts of his painting,he has no need of a ladder at this moment in time. I don't know about you, but I think I'd prefer to move an object which would block my access rather than to leave it there so it makes more sense to anyone who might be looking at a picture of that particular moment in time.

I wasn't going to reply to your post at first ,because your obviously a loose canon and probablly go beat someone in the head ,cause you see something in a message board you don't agree with. this design is great work. but to me(my opionion,get it?)it doesn't look like work force at first glance. and the purdy fish have already been done. here.--->http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry.aspx?id=18582
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=10389geat work klswoot =)
Don't bother replying to this post. I plugged up my ears...LALALALALALA LAALALALAA.

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I think the others are jealous they didn't think of such a cool design. When i first spotted it among the subs, I was wondering what the heck koi had to do with working. Once i clicked on the design, I saw the painter...awesome! I don't necessarily like the brown against the asphalt, but that wouldn't keep me from purchasing.

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Very nice,
It would me much better if you put "Seize the carp" somewhere on the shirt.

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awesome.

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i dont think this fits the WORK. but i do like it a lot

TAYLORT5 wrote:I wasn't going to reply to your post at first ,because your obviously a loose canon and probablly go beat someone in the head ,cause you see something in a message board you don't agree with. this design is great work. but to me(my opionion,get it?)it doesn't look like work force at first glance. and the purdy fish have already been done. here.--->http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry.aspx?id=18582
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=10389geat work klswoot =)
Don't bother replying to this post. I plugged up my ears...LALALALALALA LAALALALAA.

*hugz*

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tell me again why i want a little guy at crotch level spooging stuff all over my shirt?

Patchitect wrote:tell me again why i want a little guy at crotch level spooging stuff all over my shirt?

You have a crotch hanging out of your belly button??

I'd love to sit and watch kdeuce draw sometime. This guy's work is always incredible.

Patchitect wrote:so - you get paid to graffiti, or paint street lines?

What if the "work" being the bigger picture here is the point...not that the painter is painting a huge design on a wall or somewhere...maybe this is a symbol of the "work" being greater than it's maker. I truly believe in this shirt...and the work it presents.

"Manual labour (or manual labor) is physical work done with the hands, especially in an unskilled job such as fruit and vegetable picking, road building, or any other field where the work may be considered physically arduous, and which has as a profitable objective, usually the production of goods." definition

This shirt defines the physical work done with hands.

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art is work, there is no debate about that with me. however, I this design looks like someone had a cool koi design and added a (possibly clip art) painter to it. the painter isn't at all integrated into the design, and I didn't notice him the first several times I looked at it.

As far as the koi, kls's pixel koi were asked to be removed 'cos koi had been done. like portal is done. However, woot has not yet rejected this, and it's still fogged, so I am confused about woot's message, and upset on behalf of kls, who hasn't entered further koi designs.

I do think that having printed 3 shirts with koi in the same corner is a bit much. And yes, I know there are lots of trees and birds, don't get me started on that!

mia3mom wrote:art is work, there is no debate about that with me. however, I this design looks like someone had a cool koi design and added a (possibly clip art) painter to it. the painter isn't at all integrated into the design, and I didn't notice him the first several times I looked at it.

As far as the koi, kls's pixel koi were asked to be removed 'cos koi had been done. like portal is done. However, woot has not yet rejected this, and it's still fogged, so I am confused about woot's message, and upset on behalf of kls, who hasn't entered further koi designs.

I do think that having printed 3 shirts with koi in the same corner is a bit much. And yes, I know there are lots of trees and birds, don't get me started on that!

I can respect that. On the fence now.. Maybe we need a straight forward theme...with a little more rules. I don't know....i just don't know...

mia3mom wrote:art is work, there is no debate about that with me. however, I this design looks like someone had a cool koi design and added a (possibly clip art) painter to it. the painter isn't at all integrated into the design, and I didn't notice him the first several times I looked at it.

As far as the koi, kls's pixel koi were asked to be removed 'cos koi had been done. like portal is done. However, woot has not yet rejected this, and it's still fogged, so I am confused about woot's message, and upset on behalf of kls, who hasn't entered further koi designs.

I do think that having printed 3 shirts with koi in the same corner is a bit much. And yes, I know there are lots of trees and birds, don't get me started on that!

Almost completely agree, except I still believe that this is off topic. Is there any rule kdeuce can break that will get his design rejected? I'm thinking next week he should go for a Star Wars-Pac-Man hybrid (regardless of theme), with 10 colors, outside the printable area, a non-matching thumbnail, text if it's banned, and maybe two or three shirt comps. He'll probably win hands-down.

blahmcblah wrote:Almost completely agree, except I still believe that this is off topic. Is there any rule kdeuce can break that will get his design rejected? I'm thinking next week he should go for a Star Wars-Pac-Man hybrid (regardless of theme), with 10 colors, outside the printable area, a non-matching thumbnail, text if it's banned, and maybe two or three shirt comps. He'll probably win hands-down.

llo

I agree it's off topic too. just wasn't going for that point in my missive

the double standards aren't cool

Kwatson29 wrote:What if the "work" being the bigger picture here is the point...not that the painter is painting a huge design on a wall or somewhere...maybe this is a symbol of the "work" being greater than it's maker. I truly believe in this shirt...and the work it presents.

"Manual labour (or manual labor) is physical work done with the hands, especially in an unskilled job such as fruit and vegetable picking, road building, or any other field where the work may be considered physically arduous, and which has as a profitable objective, usually the production of goods." definition

This shirt defines the physical work done with hands.

true but this is a hobby, not work

Nightshooter wrote:true but this is a hobby, not work

isn't everything a "hobby" until you get a paycheck for it?

krisrobinson wrote:isn't everything a "hobby" until you get a paycheck for it?

I would say there are a great many things that are not. No one doctors, lawyers, waiters, retails, telemarkets, zookeeps, polices, teaches, firefights, steelworks, etc etc etc as a hobby (though some will indeed volunteer for some positions). I cook. I play music. I write. I clearly attempt to design. All these things require work, and hard work. But to me they don't even sort of fit into this theme. This entry is making huge use of a loophole, and defending it will only egg other designers to search for similar loopholes instead of trying to take on the challenge of the themes woot sets forth.

Nightshooter wrote:true but this is a hobby, not work

wait really? I think everybody might be forgetting what work is. Work is not something you are necessarily paid to do. Work is something you put time and effort into to get a finished product. I'm not saying I would buy this shirt, although really I don't even think those look like Koi, they look like catfish because of the muddy color and long whiskers, but painting can definitely be work. Just because it's something that can be considered a hobby does NOT mean it's not work. People put a lot of hard work into things they are passionate about, whether it be painting, working on cars, typing code or whatever. I'm sure many people here are graphic designers and I know that they consider that work. I'm not saying there shouldn't be debate about whether or not a shirt like this has been done before, which personally I don't really think it has, but please don't try and say that this is not work. There are tens of thousands of people who would tell you differently.

Re: Urban Painter

I want this design so bad. Even if this doesn't get through for this theme (which it could, I don't see why people are being so close minded on this one) I would really hope this was available at a different time.

I WILL WEAR THIS SOMEDAY

leastpage wrote:I want this design so bad. Even if this doesn't get through for this theme (which it could, I don't see why people are being so close minded on this one) I would really hope this was available at a different time.

I WILL WEAR THIS SOMEDAY

right click on the picture, copy it to your computer then head over to spreadshirt. upload the picture have them print you one in your choice of color shirts. catfish...catfish...good point.

This is a great design, love the colors. Asphalt and orange are my favorite colors really, so if this gets printed, I'm in for one.

gambit07 wrote:wait really? I think everybody might be forgetting what work is. Work is not something you are necessarily paid to do. Work is something you put time and effort into to get a finished product. I'm not saying I would buy this shirt, although really I don't even think those look like Koi, they look like catfish because of the muddy color and long whiskers, but painting can definitely be work. Just because it's something that can be considered a hobby does NOT mean it's not work. People put a lot of hard work into things they are passionate about, whether it be painting, working on cars, typing code or whatever. I'm sure many people here are graphic designers and I know that they consider that work. I'm not saying there shouldn't be debate about whether or not a shirt like this has been done before, which personally I don't really think it has, but please don't try and say that this is not work. There are tens of thousands of people who would tell you differently.

Much agreed. I don't see how this could be considered off-topic as it clearly depicts work. There are many people who have careers in art and design. Just because art is a hobby for many doesn't mean it isn't work for many others. Also agreed on the catfish point, though kdeuce hasn't refuted the comments, so maybe they are koi.

I don't see any grounds for rejecting this because of previous koi designs. This is more of a side-placement than a corner, and it looks nothing like the other two designs. kls removed her pixel koi because people thought it was too similar to her first koi print. I can't remember if Joel himself chimed in on the matter, but the two designs were fairly similar in the overall style (aside from pixellation). This design, even if it does depict koi, does so in an entirely different way than the previous two. Saying that this shirt should is too similar is like saying we shouldn't have any more shirts with human characters on them because we've already had some.

@Adder specifically - why don't you think that cooking, playing music and writing would fit the theme? Not only do they require hard work but plenty of people have careers in those fields as well. I think they fit the theme of "Work" just as well as any office job would. What loophole are you referring to that this entry is using? All I see here is a design that tackles the theme in a different, creative manner. I think kdeuce embraced the challenge of the theme, thought outside the box and created something that fits the theme and looks great on a shirt. I respect your opinion if you feel that the traditional office job fits the theme better, but from the way Woot worded the description I think they meant for a much wider interpretation.

Re: Urban Painter

Wow, are people really arguing over this? I'm pretty sure the Woot staff just comes up with a theme off the wall. Its not like its an Olympic sport. In my opinion, as long as a designer stays within the shady gray areas of the theme, I see no reason for that person not to get creative. Which should be the true meaning of having a derby. CREATIVITY

Awesome WORK in creating a sweet design man. Keep up the good WORK!

Steebo wrote:Wow, are people really arguing over this? I'm pretty sure the Woot staff just comes up with a theme off the wall. Its not like its an Olympic sport. In my opinion, as long as a designer stays within the shady gray areas of the theme, I see no reason for that person not to get creative. Which should be the true meaning of having a derby. CREATIVITY

Awesome WORK in creating a sweet design man. Keep up the good WORK!

thank you, sir.

Re: Urban Painter

Reminds me of Banksy. Very nice.

Re: Urban Painter

Art Work
Work of Art

See ... it fits the theme.

gambit07 wrote:wait really? I think everybody might be forgetting what work is. Work is not something you are necessarily paid to do. Work is something you put time and effort into to get a finished product. I'm not saying I would buy this shirt, although really I don't even think those look like Koi, they look like catfish because of the muddy color and long whiskers, but painting can definitely be work. Just because it's something that can be considered a hobby does NOT mean it's not work. People put a lot of hard work into things they are passionate about, whether it be painting, working on cars, typing code or whatever. I'm sure many people here are graphic designers and I know that they consider that work. I'm not saying there shouldn't be debate about whether or not a shirt like this has been done before, which personally I don't really think it has, but please don't try and say that this is not work. There are tens of thousands of people who would tell you differently.

if you really want to get technical then work could be a person walking down the steps or eating or anything that goes with W= F*D. why not just draw a dot product and say it shows what work really is. There has to be a line that you can not cross.

AdderXYU wrote:This entry is making huge use of a loophole, and defending it will only egg other designers to search for similar loopholes instead of trying to take on the challenge of the themes woot sets forth.

I don't see what the loophole might be? Large scale painting is an artform that goes back a few thousand years. Since I have earned quite a few bucks over the years doing it I'm more than a little insulted by much of the commentary here. I'll leave the catfish for other folks to whine, but that's only a detail. By demeaning artists these sorts of comments really serve no purpose beyond some sort of macho justification for lives that seem to me to be that they might be rather hallow.

Steebo wrote:Wow, are people really arguing over this? I'm pretty sure the Woot staff just comes up with a theme off the wall. Its not like its an Olympic sport. In my opinion, as long as a designer stays within the shady gray areas of the theme, I see no reason for that person not to get creative. Which should be the true meaning of having a derby. CREATIVITY

Awesome WORK in creating a sweet design man. Keep up the good WORK!

Agreed! Well put!

Meh.... a little painter image does not 'work' make. It's a cool design, but I was hoping for truly awesome Work-themed shirts week (and there are several that unfortunately did not make the fog.). While well designed, this is really more of the same.

And art is that line? Are you serious?

Lighter wrote:I don't see what the loophole might be?

The loophole is that the image can be of absolutely anything but as long as there is a tiny painter tacked on it's considered 'work'.

Lighter wrote:I'll leave the catfish for other folks to whine, but that's only a detail.

It's a detail that represents 90% of the image.

Lighter wrote:By demeaning artists these sorts of comments really serve no purpose beyond some sort of macho justification for lives that seem to me to be that they might be rather hallow.

I haven't seen a comment on this thread that outright demeans artists, but this is a pretty broad and baseless shot at the 'squares'. Claiming spiritual superiority is no way to get respect. We all walk our own path in life.

Re: Urban Painter

What part of "art = work" is so difficult?

Can't wait to buy this one.