Derby #59: At The Luau
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Liquid Hibiscus

Liquid Hibiscus
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hmmxkrazee


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Originality takes the lead once more. :P

dekonstruct


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hahaha, I was literally seconds away from doing this type of design, but then I couldn't live with myself afterward. That's just me though.

hasdgfas


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This is literally the same flower copy/pasted 5 times. Why is this getting votes?

alftuba


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hmmxkrazee wrote:Originality takes the lead once more. :P


really? it seems very generic too me. If I wanted something like this I'm sure I could get it from Ocean Pacific. And I stopped wearing OP back in high school - 10 years ago

SkekTek


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alftuba wrote:really? it seems very generic too me. If I wanted something like this I'm sure I could get it from Ocean Pacific. And I stopped wearing OP back in high school - 10 years ago


Actually, people still make this type of design- check out Crazy Shirts. My favorite island t-shirt source. But this design is very wearable, which is why it's getting votes.

bluchez


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dekonstruct wrote:hahaha, I was literally seconds away from doing this type of design, but then I couldn't live with myself afterward. That's just me though.


Total falsehood. There is no way you would have done this type of thing. You would have at least drawn more than 1 flower.

meh3884


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umm, sorry but can some one explain how this is not a copy of, I don't know, every hawaiian shirt ever made?

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meh3884


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alftuba wrote:really? it seems very generic too me. If I wanted something like this I'm sure I could get it from Ocean Pacific. And I stopped wearing OP back in high school - 10 years ago


i think they were being facetious about the originality...

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mlovesr


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Don't sweat it folks- it will probably get rejected. Not because it's uninspired, etc., but because similar shirts already exist...

Kwatson29


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For some reason copy and pasting into a pattern is getting votes...2nd time seen this style and it got same votes off the start...maybe I'll try this next time. If it gets the votes, then something has to be done right.

AdderXYU


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Kwatson29 wrote:For some reason copy and pasting into a pattern is getting votes...2nd time seen this style and it got same votes off the start...maybe I'll try this next time. If it gets the votes, then something has to be done right.


"Done right" is such a relative term in relation to derby success.

boni


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I am thoroughly embarrassed to be part of a community that would treat a fairly recent addition like this just because her design is doing well.
Particularly since it is someone I encouraged to join. Yes, she used the same flower to create a pattern, but it worked because the flower was very well drawn and color was used exceptionally well. She has neither the time nor the resources that most of you use to create your designs - having a more than full time job, a family, and only paper, pencil, an old scanner and Photoshop Elements to work with and yet, she still manages to create designs that people like.
I loved the idea of shirt.woot... I think it could have been a great place to have fun with design and offer encouragement and support to those new to the game, but that isn't what it is...
Congratulations, bv, on being in the fog… I wish you the best of luck!
And thus ends my interest in anything shirt.woot related...

hasdgfas


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boni wrote:I am thoroughly embarrassed to be part of a community that would treat a fairly recent addition like this just because her design is doing well.
Particularly since it is someone I encouraged to join. Yes, she used the same flower to create a pattern, but it worked because the flower was very well drawn and color was used exceptionally well. She has neither the time nor the resources that most of you use to create your designs - having a more than full time job, a family, and only paper, pencil, an old scanner and Photoshop Elements to work with and yet, she still manages to create designs that people like.
I loved the idea of shirt.woot... I think it could have been a great place to have fun with design and offer encouragement and support to those new to the game, but that isn't what it is...
Congratulations, bv, on being in the fog… I wish you the best of luck!
And thus ends my interest in anything shirt.woot related...


It has nothing to do with the fact that she's new or that the design is doing well. It's just unoriginal. Flowers can be done well, and I would love to see a really creative flower design for this derby, but I don't think this is it. I understand that she might not have the same amount of time as some other people. The thing is, I didn't know she was new. I'm tired of people pandering to voters by doing things that end up winning every single week. I'm more than happy to give people advice and encouragement if they're new, but most people don't want it or act all hurt when they're given any criticism, whether or not it's justified.

That said, I like the idea of the design, but I feel more could be done with it. It could flow better, especially by changing up the flowers a bit and doing some more transition-y things. I'm not a designer, so I don't have any specifics, but as a shirt-wearer, I'm tired of the "X flowers" designs. Add something to it. Give it your own style and flair. That can't be done with copy/paste.

mia3mom


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boni wrote:I am thoroughly embarrassed to be part of a community that would treat a fairly recent addition like this just because her design is doing well.
Particularly since it is someone I encouraged to join. Yes, she used the same flower to create a pattern, but it worked because the flower was very well drawn and color was used exceptionally well. She has neither the time nor the resources that most of you use to create your designs - having a more than full time job, a family, and only paper, pencil, an old scanner and Photoshop Elements to work with and yet, she still manages to create designs that people like.
I loved the idea of shirt.woot... I think it could have been a great place to have fun with design and offer encouragement and support to those new to the game, but that isn't what it is...
Congratulations, bv, on being in the fog… I wish you the best of luck!
And thus ends my interest in anything shirt.woot related...


shirt.woot is a great community of people who critique. it's also filled with an interesting mix of characters.

I don't think that this design is excellent, however, no matter how you try to rationalize it. the flowers are pretty, but it is very generic, and not particularly original. Pretty, though.

If comments like these upset you for your friend's designs, never mind your own, you won't last long around here. As it says on the shirt.woot front page, "Enter our weekly shirt-off and let the community judge. Be warned: they’re a harsh judge indeed."

& the Gaggle of Girls; so many shirts, so little space in the dresser!

Trickee04


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I love this shirt, personally. It's mine and my girlfriend's favorite flower. I certainly hope that even if it doesn't win, you'll put it on threadless or bountee or some other shirt place. I'd definitely buy it.

yaddayaddayaddayadda


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boni wrote:I am thoroughly embarrassed to be part of a community that would treat a fairly recent addition like this just because her design is doing well.
Particularly since it is someone I encouraged to join. Yes, she used the same flower to create a pattern, but it worked because the flower was very well drawn and color was used exceptionally well. She has neither the time nor the resources that most of you use to create your designs - having a more than full time job, a family, and only paper, pencil, an old scanner and Photoshop Elements to work with and yet, she still manages to create designs that people like.
I loved the idea of shirt.woot... I think it could have been a great place to have fun with design and offer encouragement and support to those new to the game, but that isn't what it is...
Congratulations, bv, on being in the fog… I wish you the best of luck!
And thus ends my interest in anything shirt.woot related...


boni, you've been a great addition to the community, and I'm very sorry to see you go. I really hope you'll take some time to cool off and reconsider.

bluchez


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boni wrote:I am thoroughly embarrassed to be part of a community that would treat a fairly recent addition like this just because her design is doing well.
Particularly since it is someone I encouraged to join. Yes, she used the same flower to create a pattern, but it worked because the flower was very well drawn and color was used exceptionally well. She has neither the time nor the resources that most of you use to create your designs - having a more than full time job, a family, and only paper, pencil, an old scanner and Photoshop Elements to work with and yet, she still manages to create designs that people like.
I loved the idea of shirt.woot... I think it could have been a great place to have fun with design and offer encouragement and support to those new to the game, but that isn't what it is...
Congratulations, bv, on being in the fog… I wish you the best of luck!
And thus ends my interest in anything shirt.woot related...


With all the work you have done on the stats, etc, for shirt.woot, I refuse to let you make this decision. It is simply not yours to make. You have to allow us to vote if you are free to leave or not.

AdderXYU


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Trickee04 wrote:I love this shirt, personally. It's mine and my girlfriend's favorite flower. I certainly hope that even if it doesn't win, you'll put it on threadless or bountee or some other shirt place. I'd definitely buy it.


I really urge you all to look at other shirt sites... really browse them and see what sort of work normally wins. Woot is seriously the only contest site I can think of where this entry, or one similar, would be doing so well. Look at threadless, design by humans, uneetee, teefury... this shirt would be an anomaly in their catalogs. It's not to be demeaning or rude so much as to be honest. It only takes a quick browse through any other catalog to realize how "unique" (to spare a crueler and more honest word) woot's derby standards are.

MockingbirdSymphony


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I'd hate to be a broken record, but I'll be it anyway. It's a cool shirt, but one you could get something similar to pretty much anywhere. I hope you continue to make shirts, I'm sure you'll improve. Either way, congrats on making it into the fog. Apparently a lot of people like it, whether they say it or not. Actually, I think the title you gave it is cooler...but I like words. Welcome to shirtwoot, by the way. :D

Wonderbunny


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1. Boni, you can't leave! The stats you've put together have been awesome and no matter what site you find, there are always disagreements and rudeness. Something about the internet makes the "rude" come out of people. And much of the time, you've (and designers and buyers) just have to let that go. Woot is here to sell shirts. Designers are here to sell shirts - yes it is creative process to but in the end, the thing they all want, is to sell a shirt.

2. Shirts like this do well because people do want them. And Woot is not Threadless or DBH or any other shirt site out there, it is Woot. And they seem to be doing pretty well - Today's shirt sold out, last week the two derby winners sold out. If you want wild and fills the whole shirt, you go to DBH. If you don't want derby rules you go to Threadless. I think that most people that are t-shirt addicts shop everywhere because each site offers something different. Which really is what art is all about - personal interpretation. If the artist and enough voters on Woot want this shirt it prints, and those who don’t like, won’t have to buy it.

3. I don't know if the artist was going for a crystal look or not with the flowers but that is what they look like to me and on the asphalt makes it very different. I won't vote for it as all asphalt shirts are no no for me but I think the colors look great.

hahaha... I think this is my longest post ever on Woot.

uhhuhhuhhuh


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I think Wonderbunny is absolutely right about the anonymity of the internet bringing out the worst in some people. There is a fine line between criticism and cruelty, and I would say that a lot of posts in this thread have crossed that line.

What ever happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt? Can you all so quickly assume that this person churned out something they didn't put their heart and talent into and is simply pandering to the voters for the cash?

Lets say that is the case. Turn that microscope on yourselves. How many of you take time out of your lives to create something, then go through the trouble of submitting the design to woot with absolutely no intention of, or interest in winning? I like designing and challenging myself creatively, but I could do that without entering a contest.

This is a contest. It is also a business that is here to make money, just like everyone else who submits a design hopes to do. If she submitted this design because she knew it would get votes...she played the game better than the rest of you. Problems with that? Step it up yourselves, or quit bitching.

I happen to know this person personally, and I can attest to the fact (like Boni did previously) that she has more artistic integrity than any three submitters on this site (myself included) combined. She worked hard on this design in what little free time she had, and indicated to me absolutely no intent to "pander" to the voters. She succeeded in creating something that made her happy AND is being accepted by a large number of people. I'm not asking that she receive any special treatment because she's new, or because I know her and her intentions...just the benefit of the doubt.

Some of you are so quick to judge. At the risk of sounding like a bleeding heart, I wonder if you all are the same people that get pissed and cuss at slow drivers before you get close enough to see the purple heart on the license plate and that they have no legs...

haxrox


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I really like the execution, bvillarreal. It's a classy design, and clearly there's a market here for it.

It's a shame that some commenters think that constructive criticism means a blunt evaluation. Bashing a design does not emotionally equip all artists to improve, even if you feel you're pointing out a truth. The "constructive" part is about approach, like using tact and kindness, not intent.

Boni, I really appreciate your stats site; any chance you'll keep it up?

bvillarreal


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Wow. I had absolutely no expectation of getting more than my usual 25 votes. I was drawing hibiscus - my favorite flower with its great big phallic stamen and gorgeous petals - when my lines began to take on the appearance of liquid - I rounded some of the corners and made a spout of water in the center for the stamen and thought I had created an original liquid-hibiscus design - I had fun working on this until around 1:30am over here in Southern California where we are surrounded by beautiful hibiscus.
Thank you Thank you Thank you for all the votes and I really don't mind the criticism - I like my creation and am happy some others do too.
Thanks for the awesome defense you guys - Boni and Uhuhhuhh
Here's my original sketch:

and a closer-up of the flower so you can see my attempt at liquification:

I haven't finished reading the scathing comments, but will shortly!

bvillarreal


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hmmxkrazee wrote:Originality takes the lead once more. :P


Thanks - I've never heard that before ; )

bvillarreal


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dekonstruct wrote:hahaha, I was literally seconds away from doing this type of design, but then I couldn't live with myself afterward. That's just me though.


Thanks for taking the time to comment - sorry I didn't produce something that pleases you - if you want to offer advice for something that will get more votes, I sincerely will listen and apply your advice to my next effort.

bvillarreal


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hasdgfas wrote:This is literally the same flower copy/pasted 5 times. Why is this getting votes?


It's the same outline, yes. I wanted it to be a pattern. I'm usually comfortably low on the list and don't get to hear constructive feedback. Thanks for taking the time to share.

bvillarreal


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SkekTek wrote:Actually, people still make this type of design- check out Crazy Shirts. My favorite island t-shirt source. But this design is very wearable, which is why it's getting votes.


Hey, this comment seems positive! Thanks ; )

bvillarreal


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meh3884 wrote:umm, sorry but can some one explain how this is not a copy of, I don't know, every hawaiian shirt ever made?


I explained with the post of my original sketch. I'd be glad to clear up any further cloudiness on the subject, if you'd like.

bvillarreal


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mlovesr wrote:Don't sweat it folks- it will probably get rejected. Not because it's uninspired, etc., but because similar shirts already exist...


I explained my original take - be glad to take a look at those similar shirts.

bvillarreal


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Kwatson29 wrote:For some reason copy and pasting into a pattern is getting votes...2nd time seen this style and it got same votes off the start...maybe I'll try this next time. If it gets the votes, then something has to be done right.


Thanks?

bvillarreal


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boni wrote:I am thoroughly embarrassed to be part of a community that would treat a fairly recent addition like this just because her design is doing well.
Particularly since it is someone I encouraged to join. Yes, she used the same flower to create a pattern, but it worked because the flower was very well drawn and color was used exceptionally well. She has neither the time nor the resources that most of you use to create your designs - having a more than full time job, a family, and only paper, pencil, an old scanner and Photoshop Elements to work with and yet, she still manages to create designs that people like.
I loved the idea of shirt.woot... I think it could have been a great place to have fun with design and offer encouragement and support to those new to the game, but that isn't what it is...
Congratulations, bv, on being in the fog… I wish you the best of luck!
And thus ends my interest in anything shirt.woot related...


Aaah... Boni, it's okay. They don't really mean it. Or maybe they do. As soon as fall out of the fog they'll forget all about me and be on to the next - I really didn't expect to do well with this and appreciate the votes - don't leave, it will all be better tomorrow! (Usually people just hate me because I'm beautiful ; )

bvillarreal


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Trickee04 wrote:I love this shirt, personally. It's mine and my girlfriend's favorite flower. I certainly hope that even if it doesn't win, you'll put it on threadless or bountee or some other shirt place. I'd definitely buy it.


Wow! another positive comment! I love you, Trickee04 - you just made me put down that bottle of pills and reach for a heffeweizen!!! I am completely kidding, of course (about the pills not the beer)- but your compliment is greatly appreciated.

bvillarreal


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MockingbirdSymphony wrote:I'd hate to be a broken record, but I'll be it anyway. It's a cool shirt, but one you could get something similar to pretty much anywhere. I hope you continue to make shirts, I'm sure you'll improve. Either way, congrats on making it into the fog. Apparently a lot of people like it, whether they say it or not. Actually, I think the title you gave it is cooler...but I like words. Welcome to shirtwoot, by the way. :D


Thank you, MockingbirdSymphony - see my explanation for the title and detail and justification earlier in the thread.

bvillarreal


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uhhuhhuhhuh wrote:I think Wonderbunny is absolutely right about the anonymity of the internet bringing out the worst in some people. There is a fine line between criticism and cruelty, and I would say that a lot of posts in this thread have crossed that line.

What ever happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt? Can you all so quickly assume that this person churned out something they didn't put their heart and talent into and is simply pandering to the voters for the cash?

Lets say that is the case. Turn that microscope on yourselves. How many of you take time out of your lives to create something, then go through the trouble of submitting the design to woot with absolutely no intention of, or interest in winning? I like designing and challenging myself creatively, but I could do that without entering a contest.

This is a contest. It is also a business that is here to make money, just like everyone else who submits a design hopes to do. If she submitted this design because she knew it would get votes...she played the game better than the rest of you. Problems with that? Step it up yourselves, or quit bitching.

I happen to know this person personally, and I can attest to the fact (like Boni did previously) that she has more artistic integrity than any three submitters on this site (myself included) combined. She worked hard on this design in what little free time she had, and indicated to me absolutely no intent to "pander" to the voters. She succeeded in creating something that made her happy AND is being accepted by a large number of people. I'm not asking that she receive any special treatment because she's new, or because I know her and her intentions...just the benefit of the doubt.

Some of you are so quick to judge. At the risk of sounding like a bleeding heart, I wonder if you all are the same people that get pissed and cuss at slow drivers before you get close enough to see the purple heart on the license plate and that they have no legs...


Wow. Thanks, Derek. You should run for President.

bvillarreal


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haxrox wrote:I really like the execution, bvillarreal. It's a classy design, and clearly there's a market here for it.

It's a shame that some commenters think that constructive criticism means a blunt evaluation. Bashing a design does not emotionally equip all artists to improve, even if you feel you're pointing out a truth. The "constructive" part is about approach, like using tact and kindness, not intent.

Boni, I really appreciate your stats site; any chance you'll keep it up?


Thank you haxrox. I can take it - I really only do this because it is fun and I wouldn't let a few - really a lot a lot - harsh critiques ruin it. My next goal is to convince Boni that she should stay!

ruby2uesday


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very pretty, LOVE the colors, but you can get the same type shirt anywhere, to include 5 for $20 bucks at the flea market in Hawaii.

AdderXYU


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ruby2uesday wrote:very pretty, LOVE the colors, but you can get the same type shirt anywhere, to include 5 for $20 bucks at the flea market in Hawaii.


Shh. We're not allowed to comment negatively on this one.

kappapsichica


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Regardless of your opinion on this shirt, I think you have to commend bvillarreal for the way she handled the negative comments. I sure wouldn't handle constructive criticism with that kind of composure and positivity. BV, you are a better person than I!

bvillarreal


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kappapsichica wrote:Regardless of your opinion on this shirt, I think you have to commend bvillarreal for the way she handled the negative comments. I sure wouldn't handle constructive criticism with that kind of composure and positivity. BV, you are a better person than I!


Aaaahh! Thank you kappapsichica!

Patchitect


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OOOH! the drama... its not a derby unless someone says its unworthy, another says its too simple, another claims that their opinion is superior, and someone threatens to leave forever. Glad we got all that out of the way.

Good simple design, reads well... Repetition isnt a bad thing, and is a good and effective communication tool. Its not like they are all the same, rotation and rescale works wonders. Yes its probably common enough that it might garner a rejection, but luau is a fairly narrow theme with few possible iterations, so thye'll prolly let it pass. Besides.. its not like woot has never printed something simple and common, despite the comments of the elitists. Lets face it.. this is the stuff voters like, pandering or not, and so be it.

Look closely designers. This is woots demographic, regardless of who they target.

hasdgfas


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bvillarreal wrote:It's the same outline, yes. I wanted it to be a pattern. I'm usually comfortably low on the list and don't get to hear constructive feedback. Thanks for taking the time to share.


Yeah, my first comment came off a little bit harsher than I meant it to due to the fact that I was rushed on time. My second comment is more of what I felt about it. It could be so much more than what it is. If the flowers flowed into each other more instead of being the same thing just copy/pasted, it'd be so much better. I'm thinking the liquid part of it could be emphasized. I'm not sure if you can picture what I'm picturing, but if the flowers were dripping into each other, it might look nicer. I'm sure you don't have a bunch of time to work with it, but that's my much more verbose opinion.

bvillarreal


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hasdgfas wrote:Yeah, my first comment came off a little bit harsher than I meant it to due to the fact that I was rushed on time. My second comment is more of what I felt about it. It could be so much more than what it is. If the flowers flowed into each other more instead of being the same thing just copy/pasted, it'd be so much better. I'm thinking the liquid part of it could be emphasized. I'm not sure if you can picture what I'm picturing, but if the flowers were dripping into each other, it might look nicer. I'm sure you don't have a bunch of time to work with it, but that's my much more verbose opinion.


Yes, I know exactly what you mean - I was just saying today - before I saw any of the drama, or knew I was garnering attention/votes, that I would have liked to spend more time on it. When I do any drawing or painting - I do the initial upchuck of creativity and then set it aside for awhile and return to it with a fresh perspective and either make it awesome or overwork it - I will probably work on this design some more just because I like the concept and would like to perfect it - soon, right after I finish procrastinating. I really do appreciate feedback of any kind.

ya2sabes


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Simple. Nicely placed. Pretty.

GG. GMV

bvillarreal


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Patchitect wrote:OOOH! the drama... its not a derby unless someone says its unworthy, another says its too simple, another claims that their opinion is superior, and someone threatens to leave forever. Glad we got all that out of the way.

Good simple design, reads well... Repetition isnt a bad thing, and is a good and effective communication tool. Its not like they are all the same, rotation and rescale works wonders. Yes its probably common enough that it might garner a rejection, but luau is a fairly narrow theme with few possible iterations, so thye'll prolly let it pass. Besides.. its not like woot has never printed something simple and common, despite the comments of the elitists. Lets face it.. this is the stuff voters like, pandering or not, and so be it.

Look closely designers. This is woots demographic, regardless of who they target.

Thank you, Patchitect. I always like your designs and appreciate your eloquent diplomacy.

bvillarreal


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ya2sabes wrote:Simple. Nicely placed. Pretty.

GG. GMV


Thank you, ya2sabes!

rwoody


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


GMV! like the color choices....hopefully i can pull this off as a guy.

rachel1aaron


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bvillarreal, I just want to say that after reading all the comments here, I think you are a class act! I admire how you haven't let all the negativity get under your skin and cause you to drop to the same level. I agree with haxrox's statement: "It's a shame that some commenters think that constructive criticism means a blunt evaluation. Bashing a design does not emotionally equip all artists to improve, even if you feel you're pointing out a truth. The "constructive" part is about approach, like using tact and kindness, not intent." I wish I were as well spoken. All I can come up with right now is the old saying about getting more flies with honey than vinegar. Here's hoping a few will add a little honey to their comments. I should add that I, too would like to see what this would look like with even more "liquid" flowing from flower to flower, but I also know what it's like when you just don't have the time. I think you pulled off the liquid look quite well.

bvillarreal


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rachel1aaron wrote:bvillarreal, I just want to say that after reading all the comments here, I think you are a class act! I admire how you haven't let all the negativity get under your skin and cause you to drop to the same level. I agree with haxrox's statement: "It's a shame that some commenters think that constructive criticism means a blunt evaluation. Bashing a design does not emotionally equip all artists to improve, even if you feel you're pointing out a truth. The "constructive" part is about approach, like using tact and kindness, not intent." I wish I were as well spoken. All I can come up with right now is the old saying about getting more flies with honey than vinegar. Here's hoping a few will add a little honey to their comments. I should add that I, too would like to see what this would look like with even more "liquid" flowing from flower to flower, but I also know what it's like when you just don't have the time. I think you pulled off the liquid look quite well.


Thank you Rachel1aaron. You are very well-spoken and I appreciate very much such positive feedback in my last check of the thread before I go to bed! Woot is truly an interesting social microcosm! Thanks again, Rachel.

Silverpsycho


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus

You can count me in as one of the supporters of this shirt. I love the colors, which is what sets your design apart from numerous other hibiscus shirts out there. I've purchased many many shirts featuring this awesome flower, but it's usually featured in different ways. Your placement is more original than the usual stripe of hibiscus going across the shirt like done on college type t-shirts (SDSU, UCSB...etc.) or even all the ones I see while vacationing in Hawaii. So sure, I will agree with others that the hibiscus is a commonly used flower but it should not be frowned upon because it's popular.

I believe you are deserving of being high on the list and I think both my mom and I would be in for one if this gets printed. It's simple, fun and like I said before...I love the colors.

Good luck and you've gmv.

Trading: Guts & Reverse Tarzan (both are size WL)

peppersagooddog


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus




wow. i havent been around all day so i was checking the thumbnails.
i clicked to see this shirt to see how many people had said how wretched it is to make a shirt like those you can buy in a store.
now after reading oh lets say half way down the page maybe, give or take a few spins of the wheel, i want a turn!

ok hey, i see you took the time to draw it yourself. total props.
half of the crowd that is freaking out complains just as loudly about clip art and vectors. they whine incessantly (as do i) about the lack of give-a-stool around here.
yep, as a person that lives in vegas... where hawaiian people move to when they get sick of water... agreed. it LOOKS to be generic and just like alot of stuff you can buy at the flea market or where ever.
HOWEVER,
my personal verdict (as a person that has made exactly one design by the grace and help of far too many people) is this:
you took the time to draw it.
you have elements, as do i. bravo for putting out something people easily mistake for a run of the mill shirt. that means you made something 80 billion people would buy at walmart on a wing and a prayer.
now ill have you know that alot of my friends are gonna hate and berate me for this opinion, but for what you had to work with all the way around... hey you made something so palatable they all berate you for being too ordinary.
win or lose you have nothing to be ashamed of. if YOU drew it and YOU thought it looked nice repeated in a pattern rather than create a collage of different flowers, then there is nothing left to say.
if its all some ruse and you took some schmucks flower and repeatedly slapped it on a shirt without care... well then you should rot in hell.
if woot doesnt print it, go to a company called ocean pacific. i hear they LOVE this kind of work....

p1k4


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Even if this idea isn't original, i still think it's an awesome shirt. i love the colors chosen for this shirt. most of the shirts i've seen with this design/print are bright, flashy, and sometimes tacky-looking. this one has my vote, because it has a calm, but dark, color scheme, and because i'd wear it.

HikePolska


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AdderXYU wrote:Shh. We're not allowed to comment negatively on this one.


Adder- your comment is the best one in all this craziness! this is too funny

rachel1aaron


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bvillarreal wrote:Thank you Rachel1aaron. You are very well-spoken and I appreciate very much such positive feedback in my last check of the thread before I go to bed! Woot is truly an interesting social microcosm! Thanks again, Rachel.


Interesting, that was the last thing I did before going to bed! I can understand how your friend is fed up with some of what goes on here, as I too have been disappointed in the way comments have become so biting the last 2 derbies. If there are many people reading the designs' threads, I think this will be a turn-off. It is for me. I'm not saying people shoudn't voice their opinions, but if the barbs were taken out of the comments, I think it would make a huge difference. Good to know you have rhinoceros hide! Keep up the good work.

bvillarreal


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rwoody wrote:GMV! like the color choices....hopefully i can pull this off as a guy.


Thank you, rwoody!

ruby2uesday


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AdderXYU wrote:Shh. We're not allowed to comment negatively on this one.


llo sorry! i didn't read the posts above mine before i commented! llo doesn't mean i wouldn't get it if it makes top 3! always need a pretty blue shirt (and the design will look great on a womans tee) and it's been 7 years since i've lived in Hawaii so i'm going through withdrawals! just wasn't my top pick!

is that better??? it's true!!

bvillarreal


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Silverpsycho wrote:You can count me in as one of the supporters of this shirt. I love the colors, which is what sets your design apart from numerous other hibiscus shirts out there. I've purchased many many shirts featuring this awesome flower, but it's usually featured in different ways. Your placement is more original than the usual stripe of hibiscus going across the shirt like done on college type t-shirts (SDSU, UCSB...etc.) or even all the ones I see while vacationing in Hawaii. So sure, I will agree with others that the hibiscus is a commonly used flower but it should not be frowned upon because it's popular.

I believe you are deserving of being high on the list and I think both my mom and I would be in for one if this gets printed. It's simple, fun and like I said before...I love the colors.

Good luck and you've gmv.


Thank you for taking the time to share that - I hope you and your mom get the chance to buy one!

bvillarreal


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peppersagooddog wrote:wow. i havent been around all day so i was checking the thumbnails.
i clicked to see this shirt to see how many people had said how wretched it is to make a shirt like those you can buy in a store.
now after reading oh lets say half way down the page maybe, give or take a few spins of the wheel, i want a turn!

ok hey, i see you took the time to draw it yourself. total props.
half of the crowd that is freaking out complains just as loudly about clip art and vectors. they whine incessantly (as do i) about the lack of give-a-stool around here.
yep, as a person that lives in vegas... where hawaiian people move to when they get sick of water... agreed. it LOOKS to be generic and just like alot of stuff you can buy at the flea market or where ever.
HOWEVER,
my personal verdict (as a person that has made exactly one design by the grace and help of far too many people) is this:
you took the time to draw it.
you have elements, as do i. bravo for putting out something people easily mistake for a run of the mill shirt. that means you made something 80 billion people would buy at walmart on a wing and a prayer.
now ill have you know that alot of my friends are gonna hate and berate me for this opinion, but for what you had to work with all the way around... hey you made something so palatable they all berate you for being too ordinary.
win or lose you have nothing to be ashamed of. if YOU drew it and YOU thought it looked nice repeated in a pattern rather than create a collage of different flowers, then there is nothing left to say.
if its all some ruse and you took some schmucks flower and repeatedly slapped it on a shirt without care... well then you should rot in hell.
if woot doesnt print it, go to a company called ocean pacific. i hear they LOVE this kind of work....


Thank you, peppersagooddog. It is not some schmucks flower, unless I'm a schmuck. I appreciate you taking the time to empathize with a fellow software-challenged artist. I checked out your peppart link - very cool stuff. I love the orchid.

bvillarreal


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p1k4 wrote:Even if this idea isn't original, i still think it's an awesome shirt. i love the colors chosen for this shirt. most of the shirts i've seen with this design/print are bright, flashy, and sometimes tacky-looking. this one has my vote, because it has a calm, but dark, color scheme, and because i'd wear it.


Thank you, p1k4!

bvillarreal


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rachel1aaron wrote:Interesting, that was the last thing I did before going to bed! I can understand how your friend is fed up with some of what goes on here, as I too have been disappointed in the way comments have become so biting the last 2 derbies. If there are many people reading the designs' threads, I think this will be a turn-off. It is for me. I'm not saying people shoudn't voice their opinions, but if the barbs were taken out of the comments, I think it would make a huge difference. Good to know you have rhinoceros hide! Keep up the good work.


We must be on the same coast! Good morning! Thank you, Rachel1aaron!

dekonstruct


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bvillarreal wrote:I didn't have to look up hibiscus, because I live in Southern California and we actually have them. They're beautiful. Be glad to take advice from you on how to improve.


With such a wealth of visual reference I would have started by sketching at the very least 3 different ones. Your layout was ok but to improve it I would make the number an odd number 3 or 5 or 7 as these are more pleasing to the eye within an asymmetrical design. Also making the largest larger and the smaller smaller would increase the drama and make it more interesting.

From what google shows me there are many hibiscus with more than one color. This might help the design look less like an ocean pacific shirt by perhaps throwing in a muted complimentary color.

As for how you handled the curmudgeons of shirt.woot.com, change nothing. You did great job of rising above, may you never be bitter like me.

bvillarreal


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dekonstruct wrote:With such a wealth of visual reference I would have started by sketching at the very least 3 different ones. Your layout was ok but to improve it I would make the number an odd number 3 or 5 or 7 as these are more pleasing to the eye within an asymmetrical design. Also making the largest larger and the smaller smaller would increase the drama and make it more interesting.

From what google shows me there are many hibiscus with more than one color. This might help the design look less like an ocean pacific shirt by perhaps throwing in a muted complimentary color.

As for how you handled the curmudgeons of shirt.woot.com, change nothing. You did great job of rising above, may you never be bitter like me.


Thank you, dekonstruct - good advice - which I will remember for my next attempt.

WonderWooter


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growing up in FL, we had a back area of land called "Freaky Land" where a lot of these Hbiscus grew. I remember picking them, pulling the stamens out slowly, then drinking the sweet nectar. It was a cool trick

In retrospect that sounds kinda dirty, but I was five years old, and from a family with about 45 cousins, believe me it was one of the least dirty tricks they ever showed me.

awww, those where the days. Hibicus stamen anyone?

Don't be sexist. Broads hate that.

p1k4


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=) i'm so happy with the color scheme because it WOULD fit a guy =) the dark background makes it guy wear-able, and blue is a very wearable color. i'm so happy it isn't pink, or yellow, or something that hurts the eyes with brightness.

JonSnow


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I don't understand how the lines are so smooth without using antiailiasing. It doesn't look like it's turned off though, because it's not jagged on the edges...

What gives?

drockabaka


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Hmm. I read some of the other entries and all I see are people giving their opinions, and not in a hurtful way.

IMHO, this really looks like you could get it for $2 on the big island. Nice drawing though.

MichellePede


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


I voted "I'd wear it" because, honestly? I'D WEAR IT.

SydneyB


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Wow. That was a lot to read.

Ok, first off, I want you to know that I voted for it BEFORE I read *ANY* of the comments. Then I started reading. And getting unhappy. I started feeling that maybe there was something wrong with *ME* because I liked this design. I am so very glad that you posted your sketches, and "proved" that these are hand-done drawings, and not a stencil or cut-out (I was unfairly accused of that, one derby well past).

In any case, who CARES if there are other similar shirts? Am I only allowed to own ONE flower shirt? ONE Koi shirt, etc? What if it's in the wash? People are voting for this because it is a beautiful shirt, nice colors, nice placement... just very nice.

As for the people who say you can get these for $5 on "the big island"? Good for them. I live in New York City. The subway doesn't go there.

Now, having said that I think this is a beautiful, and WEARABLE design, I will take this opportunity to say something that I have been holding my tongue on for some time now. There is one particular artist who often submits his works here. I do not care to mention names, which is why I never commented on any of his designs directly. I believe that his designs are VERY original, and extremely detailed, but the way he portrays them is, well, childish. I never understood why he zooms up into the fog every single time. His designs are interesting, as in I spend time looking at them (with interest), but I would never ever buy one. I have very similar quality drawings all over my fridge, drawn for me by my children, my nieces, nephews... well, you get the idea.
Now THIS design of yours I certainly would buy and wear. True the IDEA might not be "original" but it is very very well done. I hope it does well, and I would buy it were it to win. Please keep submitting designs!
-Syd

P.S. Boni - DON'T LEAVE!!

TAYLORT5


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus

ifany one else,any one !!! Says anything mean about the OP design, I' m leaving this site for good.good I've had. It with you people . =) btw David gilmour have a great shirt at his site .his black fender strapped across your torso.totally cool.


You're on probation!

You've been put on posting probation for this post for this reason: Ok, I deleted it 3 times. Do you not get it? (24h) Personal attack/useless post.

Please stare at the scary cartoon dog for 20 hours and then try posting again.

sailormoontsu


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I think you did a really great job on the flower. It is gorgeous and very well done. I'm not crazy about the design, but that's just me. It is way too hard to try and please the entire Woot community. It's great that a new person is getting a fogged design though. Congrats on fogging. I dream of my first fog one day. ;)

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earthart


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bvillarreal, love this design. My favorite of those I have looked at so far. GMV and well wishes.

xSabishiix


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ruby2uesday wrote:very pretty, LOVE the colors, but you can get the same type shirt anywhere, to include 5 for $20 bucks at the flea market in Hawaii.


I was just thinking that. Very standard hawaiian print. I've had at least 20 of shirts like this in my life time. And also...I don't quite see how this fits a theme of a luau...

bvillarreal


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WonderWooter wrote:growing up in FL, we had a back area of land called "Freaky Land" where a lot of these Hbiscus grew. I remember picking them, pulling the stamens out slowly, then drinking the sweet nectar. It was a cool trick

In retrospect that sounds kinda dirty, but I was five years old, and from a family with about 45 cousins, believe me it was one of the least dirty tricks they ever showed me.

awww, those where the days. Hibicus stamen anyone?


We did the same thing with Honeysuckle - nice signature.

bvillarreal


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p1k4 wrote:=) i'm so happy with the color scheme because it WOULD fit a guy =) the dark background makes it guy wear-able, and blue is a very wearable color. i'm so happy it isn't pink, or yellow, or something that hurts the eyes with brightness.


Thanks, p1k4!

bvillarreal


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drockabaka wrote:Hmm. I read some of the other entries and all I see are people giving their opinions, and not in a hurtful way.

IMHO, this really looks like you could get it for $2 on the big island. Nice drawing though.


Love to get some of those, if you want to forward me a link! Thanks for the compliment on the drawing.

bvillarreal


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MichellePede wrote:I voted "I'd wear it" because, honestly? I'D WEAR IT.


Thanks, MichellePede!

bvillarreal


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SydneyB wrote:Wow. That was a lot to read.

Ok, first off, I want you to know that I voted for it BEFORE I read *ANY* of the comments. Then I started reading. And getting unhappy. I started feeling that maybe there was something wrong with *ME* because I liked this design. I am so very glad that you posted your sketches, and "proved" that these are hand-done drawings, and not a stencil or cut-out (I was unfairly accused of that, one derby well past).

In any case, who CARES if there are other similar shirts? Am I only allowed to own ONE flower shirt? ONE Koi shirt, etc? What if it's in the wash? People are voting for this because it is a beautiful shirt, nice colors, nice placement... just very nice.

As for the people who say you can get these for $5 on "the big island"? Good for them. I live in New York City. The subway doesn't go there.

Now, having said that I think this is a beautiful, and WEARABLE design, I will take this opportunity to say something that I have been holding my tongue on for some time now. There is one particular artist who often submits his works here. I do not care to mention names, which is why I never commented on any of his designs directly. I believe that his designs are VERY original, and extremely detailed, but the way he portrays them is, well, childish. I never understood why he zooms up into the fog every single time. His designs are interesting, as in I spend time looking at them (with interest), but I would never ever buy one. I have very similar quality drawings all over my fridge, drawn for me by my children, my nieces, nephews... well, you get the idea.
Now THIS design of yours I certainly would buy and wear. True the IDEA might not be "original" but it is very very well done. I hope it does well, and I would buy it were it to win. Please keep submitting designs!
-Syd

P.S. Boni - DON'T LEAVE!!


Thank you for your support, SydneyB. I'm not familiar enough with everyone to know who you're referring to, but thank you for the encouragement.

bvillarreal


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TAYLORT5 wrote:ifany one else,any one !!! Says anything mean about the OP design, I' m leaving this site for good.good I've had. It with you people . =) btw David gilmour have a great shirt at his site .his black fender strapped across your torso.totally cool.


Good thing you included the sardonic punctuation or I may have mistaken this for an expression of support.

bvillarreal


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sailormoontsu wrote:I think you did a really great job on the flower. It is gorgeous and very well done. I'm not crazy about the design, but that's just me. It is way too hard to try and please the entire Woot community. It's great that a new person is getting a fogged design though. Congrats on fogging. I dream of my first fog one day. ;)


Thanks Sailormoontsu. Good luck!

bvillarreal


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earthart wrote:bvillarreal, love this design. My favorite of those I have looked at so far. GMV and well wishes.


Thanks, earthart - I saw your lovebirds and love the tattoo look.

bvillarreal


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xSabishiix wrote:I was just thinking that. Very standard hawaiian print. I've had at least 20 of shirts like this in my life time. And also...I don't quite see how this fits a theme of a luau...


I'd love to see a picture of one of those shirts like this.

klswoot


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sailormoontsu wrote:I think you did a really great job on the flower. It is gorgeous and very well done. I'm not crazy about the design, but that's just me. It is way too hard to try and please the entire Woot community. It's great that a new person is getting a fogged design though. Congrats on fogging. I dream of my first fog one day. ;)


Don't despair Sailormoontsu. You do GREAT work. I'm sure one of your designs will get to the top one of these days. You never know what will click with the voters each week. You just have to keep trying.

earthart


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bvillarreal wrote:Thanks, earthart - I saw your lovebirds and love the tattoo look.


Thanks bvillarreal. I resubmitted my design tonight after making some changes. By the way, I've now gone through all of this week's entries. Yours is still my favorite. Hope it wins so I can get one.

caspianta


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haxrox wrote:It's a shame that some commenters think that constructive criticism means a blunt evaluation. Bashing a design does not emotionally equip all artists to improve, even if you feel you're pointing out a truth. The "constructive" part is about approach, like using tact and kindness, not intent.


you're so right! next time, let's all just tattle on designs we don't like and say nothing to those who get fogged so that at the 11th hour (when they have no time to try for a resubmission) their "winning" entry gets brutally yanked from the rafters by TPTB. it'll hit them blind! what glee! we'll all relish in their being dejected and congratulate ourselves on saying nothing at all to have alerted the artist that they were being reported to the authorities.

*dries off from the dripping sarcasm*

this ain't preschool. people are going to be blunt. it's teh intranets and you're working with designers (i think we can all honestly confess to being snobbish when it comes to things we think are "bad design" or don't play by the same rules as we did) who are all in competition with each other. did you really think people were going to tip-toe around and NOT attack each others' designs?

earthart


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


Maybe I don't get out enough, but I do think this is original and I really like it. I hadn't read the thread before leaving my comments, but having read it, I respectfully disagree with a lot of the commentary. Surely, flower shirts are common, but I don't think this particular style of rendering hibiscus is commonly done (again, I don't get out much, so maybe it has been done a lot). I do know I like it and plenty of other folks do as well, and I guess that's the bottom line. I do hope you continue on the idea as I think it would be quite interesting to have the flowers leak into one another, but I think you captured the liquid feel very nicely. I'm glad to see you rise above the fray. I too welcome critiques, good and bad, as I like to gather as many perspectives as I can. Great way to learn. And like someone else said, there are certain ways to go about providing feedback that isn't all teeth and nails. Either way, thick skin is a good thing in the art and woot world. Best of luck staying on top.

bvillarreal


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caspianta wrote:you're so right! next time, let's all just tattle on designs we don't like and say nothing to those who get fogged so that at the 11th hour (when they have no time to try for a resubmission) their "winning" entry gets brutally yanked from the rafters by TPTB. it'll hit them blind! what glee! we'll all relish in their being dejected and congratulate ourselves on saying nothing at all to have alerted the artist that they were being reported to the authorities.

*dries off from the dripping sarcasm*

this ain't preschool. people are going to be blunt. it's teh intranets and you're working with designers (i think we can all honestly confess to being snobbish when it comes to things we think are "bad design" or don't play by the same rules as we did) who are all in competition with each other. did you really think people were going to tip-toe around and NOT attack each others' designs?


I really really don't mind the critiques, however - I most definitely appreciate all of the support from those who have offered it. Thanks for your perspective.

bvillarreal


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earthart wrote:Maybe I don't get out enough, but I do think this is original and I really like it. I hadn't read the thread before leaving my comments, but having read it, I respectfully disagree with a lot of the commentary. Surely, flower shirts are common, but I don't think this particular style of rendering hibiscus is commonly done (again, I don't get out much, so maybe it has been done a lot). I do know I like it and plenty of other folks do as well, and I guess that's the bottom line. I do hope you continue on the idea as I think it would be quite interesting to have the flowers leak into one another, but I think you captured the liquid feel very nicely. I'm glad to see you rise above the fray. I too welcome critiques, good and bad, as I like to gather as many perspectives as I can. Great way to learn. And like someone else said, there are certain ways to go about providing feedback that isn't all teeth and nails. Either way, thick skin is a good thing in the art and woot world. Best of luck staying on top.


Thank you earthart, I hope your love birds fly right past me.

bvillarreal


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JonSnow wrote:I don't understand how the lines are so smooth without using antiailiasing. It doesn't look like it's turned off though, because it's not jagged on the edges...

What gives?


Hey, JonSnow - not sure you're actually addressing this to me here, but I sent you a pm with further explanation in case!

robynraban


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My brother has a very very similar shirt from Hilo Hattie from about 4 years ago. I was in red though with white flowers, and the flowers were curved a little differently, but it is basically the same. I wonder if the designer has the same shirt. Pretty original. Glad people are voting for something they could have bought in a different color four years ago.

bvillarreal


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robynraban wrote:My brother has a very very similar shirt from Hilo Hattie from about 4 years ago. I was in red though with white flowers, and the flowers were curved a little differently, but it is basically the same. I wonder if the designer has the same shirt. Pretty original. Glad people are voting for something they could have bought in a different color four years ago.


Be great to see a picture of that shirt. No, I don't have such a shirt.

eHalcyon


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JonSnow wrote:I don't understand how the lines are so smooth without using antiailiasing. It doesn't look like it's turned off though, because it's not jagged on the edges...

What gives?


Keep in mind that these designs are created on a gigantic canvas at 300 dpi. When they are shrunk down to fit the shirt comp, anti-aliasing happens. It's fine.

On the subject of copying and pasting - it should be noted that the flowers aren't EXACT duplicates of one another. The outline is the same, yes, but the highlighting is actually different in each one.

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bvillarreal


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eHalcyon wrote:Keep in mind that these designs are created on a gigantic canvas at 300 dpi. When they are shrunk down to fit the shirt comp, anti-aliasing happens. It's fine.

On the subject of copying and pasting - it should be noted that the flowers aren't EXACT duplicates of one another. The outline is the same, yes, but the highlighting is actually different in each one.


Thanks, eHalcyon - I appreciate the clarification.

Chronotrigga


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It's a good shirt.. however, not something I would want to buy on woot. I can buy very similar shirts at retail stores for less than 10. When I go to woot, I want "original" designs. Not saying this isn't original, but it's been done countless times before, and it's kind of self-explanatory when someone says the term "Hawaiian Shirt", immediately you think of flowers.

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rachel1aaron


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bvillarreal wrote:We must be on the same coast! Good morning! Thank you, Rachel1aaron!


Ha! And we both are night owls, too! As for the coast, the waves we see are grain - home is south-central Kansas. Glad to see you still in the fog, and that the mood has lifted a little in your thread! Good morning to you too! :o)

boni


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Just a couple of things to clear up…
I was not in any way, shape or form making excuses for her, I was and still am simply impressed that she managed to create a design that so many people love while working with her limited resources.
BV is my sister and one of my best friends… I never got around to making that clear after taking responsibility for her presence here. She is of the opinion that my big sister defense system kicked in when I read her thread. I disagree; I would have been just as upset by those comments by those people if I had seen them anywhere. Apparently, I just haven’t been reading in all the right places.
I really appreciate all the kind words, as I’m sure bv does. I was also glad to see that a few of the people who started out mean came back to be a little kinder with their criticism. It does work so much better than snarkiness!
As far as my stats are concerned, no I am no longer going to host them on my site. A site that already deals with woot.shirt information will be posting similar pages soon.
This page contains a small sample of bv’s work from over the last cough, cough years, going all the way back to high school. She’s going to kill me for this and probably considers a few of them subpar at this stage, but this is why I encouraged her to try her hand. Give her a chance to get used to this medium and you’ll get a chance to offer constructive criticisms on her fogged entries often.
At the risk of sounding like the house mother, please remember that there is a person behind every design, be they newbie or otherwise, and they don’t deserve to be treated as anything less. Besides, they might have a big sister all ready to come to their defense!
Good night… it’s been real.

One last note, just cause I think it's painfully funny - her first idea had a bird of paradise as the primary focus, but she didn't do it because of all the bird/tree/turtle pandering comments. Ironic, isnt it?

bvillarreal


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Chronotrigga wrote:It's a good shirt.. however, not something I would want to buy on woot. I can buy very similar shirts at retail stores for less than 10. When I go to woot, I want "original" designs. Not saying this isn't original, but it's been done countless times before, and it's kind of self-explanatory when someone says the term "Hawaiian Shirt", immediately you think of flowers.


Thanks for the - It's a good shirt- sentiment. Please send me a link to get similar shirts for less than 10. I could use some!

bvillarreal


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rachel1aaron wrote:Ha! And we both are night owls, too! As for the coast, the waves we see are grain - home is south-central Kansas. Glad to see you still in the fog, and that the mood has lifted a little in your thread! Good morning to you too! :o)


Wow! Kansas, huh? We are in California for now. My husband's a Marine and we will soon be moving to Alabama then shortly thereafter to Virginia. I'm impressed that you can stay up this late - I'm going to miss the Pacific time zone : (

alftuba


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AdderXYU wrote:Shh. We're not allowed to comment negatively on this one.


I'm sorry, but that's pretty funny.

BV, you gave such wonderfully positive replies to every comment, no matter how mean or negative, about your design. Except my mean and negative comment, and now I feel left out and sad

Seriously though, I didn't mean to sound so mean. Your design is very pretty and even though I won't buy it, I'm happy for you that you're doing well. (at very least, it saves me money.) The reason I commented about it being "generic" is this:

I'm a consumer, not a designer (I never have and never will enter this contest - there's no way I could ever have the talent to do what you do.) And this consumer, personally, does not like wearing a shirt that might look like somebody else's. I currently have so many woot shirts, that I'm a little afraid of meeting somebody with the same shirt on as me whenever I go out. In fact, I've started buying only the shirts that I know will be reckoned immediately, because the fewer people own them, the less likely that situation will come up.

Because, even though as the designer you SHOULD get all the credit - in all reality, when I walk down the street, I'M the one who gets the credit for the shirt I wear. And I'M the one who gets judged. And NO ONE wants to be judged as unoriginal.

Which is exactly what I said about your design. So I apologize, most sincerely. But I stand by it.

Sorry.

mjc613


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus

Somewhere earlier in the posts, someone said that an odd number of objects is mor pleasing to the eye. What I have read is that numbers in the Fibonacci series, like 2,3,5,or 8, are more pleasing to the eye, because these are the number that occur naturally in plants, etc. It doesn't seem that the voters have a problem with an even non-Fibonacci number though, does it?

Also in the posts, there has been quite a few people who stated that you can get this elsewhere, or anywhere. Well, if you can get it online, they need to post a link. I take comments like that very seriously and spent a LOT of time looking and found:
1-button down Hawaiian shirts with several wide stripes of hibiscus
2 - tshirts with a single hibiscus
3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus.

I can find no shirts, tshirts or otherwise, with a single offcenter vertical stripe of hibiscuses, or hibiscii, if you prefer. I looked on the OP website just to be sure and nothing there either. Now unless woot thinks one of the 3 types above is similar to this shirt, I don'think this will be rejected.

If it is available in Hawaii today, but not online, that means I have to spend airfare to buy the shirt. I don't want to spend over $700 for a tshirt and I am sure most woot shoppers will agree with me. If someone has a shirt similar to this, they need to post a picture. Otherwise, desist.

bvillarreal


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alftuba wrote:I'm sorry, but that's pretty funny.

BV, you gave such wonderfully positive replies to every comment, no matter how mean or negative, about your design. Except my mean and negative comment, and now I feel left out and sad

Seriously though, I didn't mean to sound so mean. Your design is very pretty and even though I won't buy it, I'm happy that you're doing well. (at very least, it saves me money.) The reason I commented about it being "generic" is this: I'm a consumer, not a designer (I never have and never will enter this contest - there's no way I could ever have the talent to do what you do.) And this consumer, personally, does not like wearing a shirt that might look like somebody else's. I currently have so many woot shirts, that I'm a little afraid of meeting somebody with the same shirt on as me whenever I go. In fact, I've started buying only the shirts that I know will be reckoned immediately, because the fewer people own them, the less likely that situation will come up.

Because, even though, as the designer, you SHOULD get all the credit - in all reality, when I walk down the street, I"M the one who gets the credit for the shirt I wear. And I'm the one who gets judged. And NO ONE wants to be judged as unoriginal.

Which is exactly what I said about your design. So I apologize, most sincerely. But I stand by it.

Sorry.


Aaah! I'm so sorry, Alftuba. I didn't mean to overlook your comment. There were just so many and it's the weekend and the more alcohol I have the worse my visual acuity becomes. Thanks for the compliment on my talent. I like your name.

bvillarreal


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mjc613 wrote:Somewhere earlier in the posts, someone said that an odd number of objects is mor pleasing to the eye. What I have read is that numbers in the Fibonacci series, like 2,3,5,or 8, are more pleasing to the eye, because these are the number that occur naturally in plants, etc. It doesn't seem that the voters have a problem with an even non-Fibonacci number though, does it?

Also in the posts, there has been quite a few people who stated that you can get this elsewhere, or anywhere. Well, if you can get it online, they need to post a link. I take comments like that very seriously and spent a LOT of time looking and found:
1-button down Hawaiian shirts with several wide stripes of hibiscus
2 - tshirts with a single hibiscus
3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus.

I can find no shirts, tshirts or otherwise, with a single offcenter vertical stripe of hibiscuses, or hibiscii, if you prefer. I looked on the OP website just to be sure and nothing there either. Now unless woot thinks one of the 3 types above is similar to this shirt, I don'think this will be rejected.

If it is available in Hawaii today, but not online, that means I have to spend airfare to buy the shirt. I don't want to spend over $700 for a tshirt and I am sure most woot shoppers will agree with me. If someone has a shirt similar to this, they need to post a picture. Otherwise, desist.


I love you, mjc613, and if this gets printed, send me your address. I'll buy you one!

alftuba


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mjc613 wrote:...spent a LOT of time looking and found:
1-button down Hawaiian shirts with several wide stripes of hibiscus
2 - tshirts with a single hibiscus
3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus.

I can find no shirts, tshirts or otherwise, with a single offcenter vertical stripe of hibiscuses, or hibiscii, if you prefer. I looked on the OP website just to be sure and nothing there either. Now unless woot thinks one of the 3 types above is similar to this shirt, I don'think this will be rejected.


I agree it's not similar enough to be rejected, nor should it be even if it were. This shirt has every right to be in contention.

But those you listed are exactly what I'm talking about being too similar for me, personally. If I were walking down the street wearing this shirt, and somebody came up the other direction wearing one of those, it would be very weird and awkward. Especially if a third person dressed completely differently were to witness this event.

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bvillarreal wrote:Thanks, eHalcyon - I appreciate the clarification.


Glad to give it.

Hey, if you have the time, it would still be cool to see that bird of paradise idea boni mentioned. The bird pandering comments are generally reserved for bird silhouettes.

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bvillarreal


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alftuba wrote:I agree it's not similar enough to be rejected, nor should it be even if it were. This shirt has every right to be in contention.

But those you listed are exactly what I'm talking about being too similar for me, personally. If I were walking down the street wearing this shirt, and somebody came up the other direction wearing one of those, it would be very weird and awkward. Especially if a third person dressed completely differently were to witness this event.

Alftuba, I think your name is original enough to dissuade any awkwardness due to shirt similarity.

alftuba


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bvillarreal wrote: I like your name.


Thanks!

alftuba


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bvillarreal wrote:Alftuba, I think your name is original enough to dissuade any awkwardness due to shirt similarity.


Ah, but I don't wear my internet name. ;) (maybe I should start?)

Seriously though, thanks. It's just my initials plus my current primary source of income. And my initials just happen to be an increasingly obscure 80's reference.

rachel1aaron


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boni wrote:Just a couple of things to clear up…
I was not in any way, shape or form making excuses for her, I was and still am simply impressed that she managed to create a design that so many people love while working with her limited resources.
BV is my sister and one of my best friends… I never got around to making that clear after taking responsibility for her presence here. She is of the opinion that my big sister defense system kicked in when I read her thread. I disagree; I would have been just as upset by those comments by those people if I had seen them anywhere. Apparently, I just haven’t been reading in all the right places.
I really appreciate all the kind words, as I’m sure bv does. I was also glad to see that a few of the people who started out mean came back to be a little kinder with their criticism. It does work so much better than snarkiness!
As far as my stats are concerned, no I am no longer going to host them on my site. A site that already deals with woot.shirt information will be posting similar pages soon.
This page contains a small sample of bv’s work from over the last cough, cough years, going all the way back to high school. She’s going to kill me for this and probably considers a few of them subpar at this stage, but this is why I encouraged her to try her hand. Give her a chance to get used to this medium and you’ll get a chance to offer constructive criticisms on her fogged entries often.
At the risk of sounding like the house mother, please remember that there is a person behind every design, be they newbie or otherwise, and they don’t deserve to be treated as anything less. Besides, they might have a big sister all ready to come to their defense!
Good night… it’s been real.

One last note, just cause I think it's painfully funny - her first idea had a bird of paradise as the primary focus, but she didn't do it because of all the bird/tree/turtle pandering comments. Ironic, isnt it?


It was nice to see your comments here boni, there are several I can relate to very well. I am the big sister in our family and felt the same way when I started reading what people were saying. The nastiness just got under my skin. Years past maybe I wouldn't have stood up & commented but age & motherhood have changed that. I was also thinking that we need to remember that we are talking to real people here, and treat them the same as if we were face-to-face. I really like the way you phrased your statement!

I took a look at bv's work, and it is beautiful. I recognize the shoreline on the left from a previous derby! I liked that entry too. Had to show my son the pencil drawings, as I am always telling him that he needs to darken his shadows when he draws. This was a great example of how mom was Wrong!

Last comment! I too, would like to see the bird of paradise idea. I'm an animal person and love birds!

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bvillarreal wrote:Wow! Kansas, huh? We are in California for now. My husband's a Marine and we will soon be moving to Alabama then shortly thereafter to Virginia. I'm impressed that you can stay up this late - I'm going to miss the Pacific time zone : (


My favorite place to vacation is in Carlsbad, CA. The first time we went there we had such a sense of peace when we visited the ocean. I can see how you will miss it terribly. The moving does not sound like fun, I don't like starting over, and the work involved in a move overwhelms me. As for the late nights, it's an urge I can't resist sometimes! I've had to really work on it lately, the brain just doesn't function well without it's rest. Many blessings to your husband for taking on the role of Marine, and to you & your family for supporting him. You have my support, also.

dsgnGrl


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rachel1aaron wrote:
Last comment! I too, would like to see the bird of paradise idea. I'm an animal person and love birds!


Bird of Paradise is a flower. ;)

klswoot


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dsgnGrl wrote:Bird of Paradise is a flower. ;)


She is probably referring to the actual bird after which the flower is named. ...the Bird of Paradise flower is called the Strelitzia, but more commonly known as the bird of paradise due to its resemblance to the bird.

The only reason I know this is because I was working on a design for this derby with a bird of paradise focus. (But, didn't think it really fit the luau theme.)

I always learn something new with each derby theme.

bvillarreal


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Thank you, Boni. Not going to kill you for the gallery, but will issue a disclaimer - I am not a pro! Thank you for talking me into wooting - because it has been a good catalyst for working on some of my shortcomings - deadlines, color, composition and criticism.

caspianta


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mjc613 wrote:I take comments like that very seriously and spent a LOT of time looking and found:
1-button down Hawaiian shirts with several wide stripes of hibiscus
2 - tshirts with a single hibiscus
3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus.


did you see this one?


bluchez


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caspianta wrote:did you see this one?


linked so it doesn't look like you just chopped those.

bvillarreal


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rachel1aaron wrote:My favorite place to vacation is in Carlsbad, CA. The first time we went there we had such a sense of peace when we visited the ocean. I can see how you will miss it terribly. The moving does not sound like fun, I don't like starting over, and the work involved in a move overwhelms me. As for the late nights, it's an urge I can't resist sometimes! I've had to really work on it lately, the brain just doesn't function well without it's rest. Many blessings to your husband for taking on the role of Marine, and to you & your family for supporting him. You have my support, also.


Thank you, Rachel! Yes, we'll miss the gorgeous scenery and weather.

bvillarreal


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klswoot wrote:She is probably referring to the actual bird after which the flower is named. ...the Bird of Paradise flower is called the Strelitzia, but more commonly known as the bird of paradise due to its resemblance to the bird.

The only reason I know this is because I was working on a design for this derby with a bird of paradise focus. (But, didn't think it really fit the luau theme.)

I always learn something new with each derby theme.


Hey, me too! It is pretty cool that the curiosity is sparked by something posted during the derby (this time I learned what an Olmec Head is!) - I was just beginning to work on a design with the bird of paradise flowers, but decided the flowers too closely resembled birds that have elicited negative responses ; ) and I did not know that they were named after an actual bird - thanks for including a link!

bvillarreal


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Thanks for sharing caspian - I see that it's a horizontal line of solid light blue hibiscus stencils on a variety of shirt colors for $20 each. Not quite the bargain price mentioned earlier or not nearly as identical as stated earlier. You are entitled to your opinion, and certainly don't have to vote for my shirt.

bvillarreal


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alftuba wrote:Ah, but I don't wear my internet name. ;) (maybe I should start?)

Seriously though, thanks. It's just my initials plus my current primary source of income. And my initials just happen to be an increasingly obscure 80's reference.


Awesome vocation!

bvillarreal


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bluchez wrote:linked so it doesn't look like you just chopped those.


Hey, bluecheese. Thanks for including the link. If I didn't have to go catch up on a mountain of paperwork I would google olmec t-shirt to reciprocate your efforts to educate the voters.

bluchez


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bvillarreal wrote:Hey, bluecheese. Thanks for including the link. If I didn't have to go catch up on a mountain of paperwork I would google olmec t-shirt to reciprocate your efforts to educate the voters.


Wow. Yeah. I can assure you that I was trying to actually prevent bickering in your thread by removing one iteration out of the argument (as most regulars would have recognized). When someone posts a pic without a link, tons of people usually come to the shirt's defense saying they have to prove that it's for sale. I simply followed the picture's URL (that someone else posted) and linked the website. I have not, nor do I have any desire to, searched for shirts related to anything in this derby.

But, I guess we now know how quickly you might be willing to become what you and your sister have so vocally spoken out against. Definitely interesting.

klswoot


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bvillarreal wrote:Hey, me too! It is pretty cool that the curiosity is sparked by something posted during the derby (this time I learned what an Olmec Head is!) - I was just beginning to work on a design with the bird of paradise flowers, but decided the flowers too closely resembled birds that have elicited negative responses ; ) and I did not know that they were named after an actual bird - thanks for including a link!



If you liked that link check out this video showing a Bird of Paradise courting ritual. It's oddly beautiful and entertaining.

caspianta


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bvillarreal wrote:Thanks for sharing caspian - I see that it's a horizontal line of solid light blue hibiscus stencils on a variety of shirt colors for $20 each. Not quite the bargain price mentioned earlier or not nearly as identical as stated earlier. You are entitled to your opinion, and certainly don't have to vote for my shirt.


why does the price have anything to do with the originality of the design?

boni


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bluchez wrote:Wow. Yeah. I can assure you that I was trying to actually prevent bickering in your thread by removing one iteration out of the argument (as most regulars would have recognized). When someone posts a pic without a link, tons of people usually come to the shirt's defense saying they have to prove that it's for sale. I simply followed the picture's URL (that someone else posted) and linked the website. I have not, nor do I have any desire to, searched for shirts related to anything in this derby.

But, I guess we now know how quickly you might be willing to become what you and your sister have so vocally spoken out against. Definitely interesting.


I'm the only one that has spoken out about anything... and all I’ve spoken out against is unnecessary meanness. She has said repeatedly that it was okay, she could handle it. She has been way more gracious than I was, obviously, in the face of all the nastiness. If you’re saying that looking stuff up is a mean thing, then you should understand that if you’re going to say mean underhanded things about peoples shirts, the least you should expect is for them to check out your standards for your own work in return. Same for posting a link to similar shirts. Whether it was an assist or not, probably not a good idea if you don’t want anyone to check and see if your shirt meets the same standard. Anyhow, you’re still going a little far with the “how quickly”. If this is meanness, it took her two whole days to snap… llo… I wouldn’t call that quickly!

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boni wrote:I'm the only one that has spoken out about anything... and all I’ve spoken out against is unnecessary meanness. She has said repeatedly that it was okay, she could handle it. She has been way more gracious than I was, obviously, in the face of all the nastiness. If you’re saying that looking stuff up is a mean thing, then you should understand that if you’re going to say mean underhanded things about peoples shirts, the least you should expect is for them to check out your standards for your own work in return. Same for posting a link to similar shirts. Whether it was an assist or not, probably not a good idea if you don’t want anyone to check and see if your shirt meets the same standard. Anyhow, you’re still going a little far with the “how quickly”. If this is meanness, it took her two whole days to snap… llo… I wouldn’t call that quickly!


I am being absolutely sincere when I say this: this has not been nastiness. At all. Of all the comments posted, only Dekon's struck me as being even close to a personal attack, and he apologized.

Saying this shirt doesn't look original is not underhanded. Showing linked proof of that is even less so, as it is a statement of fact (ditto for copy-paste issues). I'm not seeing any mean, except for an insult thrown at someone who thought the shirt was unoriginal.

Just chill bro, this is actually a pretty tame derby. If Woot feels the entry is legal according to their rules, it will remain. And that's as it should be.

bluchez


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boni wrote:If you’re saying that looking stuff up is a mean thing, then you should understand that if you’re going to say mean underhanded things about peoples shirts, the least you should expect is for them to check out your standards for your own work in return. Same for posting a link to similar shirts. Whether it was an assist or not, probably not a good idea if you don’t want anyone to check and see if your shirt meets the same standard.


I don't believe that I ever said that I didn't want to be held up to any standards. I personally do not believe looking for similar shirts is out of line (even though, as I pointed out, I did not in fact do this). But, obviously, your sister did feel this way with her sarcastic response to my completely polite post. I was simply responding to the threat of someone looking up my entries.

Please, for all that is holy and good in this world, try to find a similar shirt to either of mine, and I will be the first to ask woot to reject my entries if similar shirts exist elsewhere.

boni


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geekfactor12 wrote:Just chill bro, this is actually a pretty tame derby. If Woot feels the entry is legal according to their rules, it will remain. And that's as it should be.


I'm learning that... that this is tame, I mean. I guess I should have been reading more in the threads; I probably would have stopped there before posting anything. I really can't understand people being mean... I empathize too much with the target. I have no desire to feel that bad all the time. Anyhow, just to be clear, I have no problem with the link to a similar shirt. I was wondering how woot was going to handle rejections in this derby, even before any shirts were posted. I think the topic itself was asking for trouble, since so much as been done already in this area. Anyhow, the underhanded comment I was talking about was one made at the top of the thread. I guess it's one of the ones you didn't see as mean. Again, I have no problem with critiques, nor with posts of shirts people consider similar. I would expect both… I just wish … ahhh, not gonna repeat again, I’m beginning to sound like a broken record.

boni


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bluchez wrote:I don't believe that I ever said that I didn't want to be held up to any standards. I personally do not believe looking for similar shirts is out of line (even though, as I pointed out, I did not in fact do this). But, obviously, your sister did feel this way with her sarcastic response to my completely polite post. I was simply responding to the threat of someone looking up my entries.


She asked repeatedly for the post of a similar shirt, so I don't see how it is obvious that she thinks it's out of line to look for and or post a link to a similar shirt. I assumed she was saying that she thought her's was as similar to the one posted in her thread as yours is to the ones you can find online (in other words, not very). Since I was reading from that perspective, the only thing I could figure out that you might be talking about was that you thought looking up in the first place was wrong, specially since you made a point of mentioning that you didn't do it. Still wasn't sure tho, which is why I started with if. Thanks for the clarification.

bluchez


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boni wrote:I assumed she was saying that she thought her's was as similar to the one posted in her thread as yours is to the ones you can find online (in other words, not very).


As I stated before, if there are any even remotely as similar to my Olmec shirt as the one that is posted here, please help me out by posting it so I can contact woot about rejecting my entry.

rachel1aaron


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klswoot wrote:She is probably referring to the actual bird after which the flower is named. ...the Bird of Paradise flower is called the Strelitzia, but more commonly known as the bird of paradise due to its resemblance to the bird.

The only reason I know this is because I was working on a design for this derby with a bird of paradise focus. (But, didn't think it really fit the luau theme.)

I always learn something new with each derby theme.


A bit late here, but: Thanks kls, I was referring to the bird! I just assumed it was the bird, not the flower because of the pandering comment. The flower is quite striking too, and I'm sure would make a very interesting composition. I'd still like to see it! And dsnGrl, thanks for the ;) - taken in the spirit intended. :o)

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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


I didn't check out this thread as the design didn't interest me, however, now that I have, I'm kind of surprised.
I defend everyone's right to speak their mind on a piece whether they like it or they don't. I don't think they need to withdraw their opinions or try to sugarcoat things just because someone is offended.
I've seen much worse criticism. Saying that this is a shirt that seems common is mild in comparison.
Also, it seems there is a passive-agressive tone in all the defending and also that those defending so strongly are bashing others as well, like the little snipe at bluchez or the person decrying the meanness who went on to trash some other artist here calling their work childish. That person isn't even commenting in this thread so that could be construed as a cheap shot.
Anyway, this is a forum not a pre-school as someone said. If I did a piece, I'd want to hear what people liked and what they didn't.

mjc613


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caspianta wrote:did you see this one?

While I did not see this particular set of shirts, I did see other "3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus. " If you think this shirt is similar enough to reject this entry, use the Tattle button. But I think woot already knows what's out there, and they haven't rejected this one yet.

By the way, since this shirt can not be purchased online (you have to call an 800 #), and it costs twice the price as woot, they may consider that this shop is not a competitor. You can ask.

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mjc613 wrote:While I did not see this particular set of shirts, I did see other "3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus. " If you think this shirt is similar enough to reject this entry, use the Tattle button. But I think woot already knows what's out there, and they haven't rejected this one yet.

By the way, since this shirt can not be purchased online (you have to call and 800 #), and it costs twice the price as woot, they may consider that this shop is not a competitor. You can ask.

Price has never been a factor in whether or not a shirt was rejected.

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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


I think this shirt is beautiful and I will be proud to purchase it.

bvillarreal


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klswoot wrote:If you liked that link check out this video showing a Bird of Paradise courting ritual. It's oddly beautiful and entertaining.


That is so cool! Thanks for sharing that, klswoot!

bvillarreal


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bluchez wrote:Wow. Yeah. I can assure you that I was trying to actually prevent bickering in your thread by removing one iteration out of the argument (as most regulars would have recognized). When someone posts a pic without a link, tons of people usually come to the shirt's defense saying they have to prove that it's for sale. I simply followed the picture's URL (that someone else posted) and linked the website. I have not, nor do I have any desire to, searched for shirts related to anything in this derby.

But, I guess we now know how quickly you might be willing to become what you and your sister have so vocally spoken out against. Definitely interesting.

Sorry I mistook your helpfulness for hurtfulness. Maybe I'm overly sensitive. I have no desire to look up and/or post any shirts related to this derby either. And actually, I like your Olmec head and found it the most interesting bit of woot-inspired wiki-reading this week - except for maybe klswoots lovebird link. I haven't asked to be in the fog, nor have I requested to be shielded from criticism, and I didn't ask to be defended. I created this design because I liked it and really didn't expect any attention.

bvillarreal


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tigerlillies wrote:I didn't check out this thread as the design didn't interest me, however, now that I have, I'm kind of surprised.
I defend everyone's right to speak their mind on a piece whether they like it or they don't. I don't think they need to withdraw their opinions or try to sugarcoat things just because someone is offended.
I've seen much worse criticism. Saying that this is a shirt that seems common is mild in comparison.
Also, it seems there is a passive-agressive tone in all the defending and also that those defending so strongly are bashing others as well, like the little snipe at bluchez or the person decrying the meanness who went on to trash some other artist here calling their work childish. That person isn't even commenting in this thread so that could be construed as a cheap shot.
Anyway, this is a forum not a pre-school as someone said. If I did a piece, I'd want to hear what people liked and what they didn't.


I do want to hear what people say and I cannot control what others post in my thread.

bvillarreal


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caspianta wrote:why does the price have anything to do with the originality of the design?


I wasn't suggesting it did - just referencing an earlier suggestion that this shirt could be had for $2 or 5 for $20 or something close to that.
My drawing and explanation of my approach to the design are posted. I didn't create this thinking it would do well. I created it because I liked it. Of course you and anyone else are entitled and welcomed to express your disdain and to post anything you'd like.

bvillarreal


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sycophant wrote:I think this shirt is beautiful and I will be proud to purchase it.


Thank you, your compliment is appreciated - with a user id like that, I'd really be bummed if you didn't like it.

dlind41


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Well, I never post on here, I just enjoy the shirts and looking at peoples design. With that said I like your design a lot. The Colors are my favorite and i love the idea of a liquid design for the flower. So here's to your design staying in the fog!!

karma1apple


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I don't understand, it seems like you could get a shirt identical to this at any Wal-Mart or Target.

ekaywhy


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congratulations on having the most discussed entry i've ever seen. couldn't even dream of reading though all these comments.

mjc613


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karma1apple wrote:I don't understand, it seems like you could get a shirt identical to this at any Wal-Mart or Target.


If you can, let us know.

cobolisdead


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


I'm not really seeing the Liquid part of this. To me it just feels like it's blue. I'd suggest that you add more to the design to indicate that these plants are liquid. Maybe have them drip, as others have mentioned, or Flow, or maybe a translucent Branch/Vine that the liquid flows from. As it is, it really does need something to really give it that liquid feel. Because of this half done liquid concept, I can see why others think this has a generic feel to it. As is, it kind of reminds me of this:

http://www.teesforall.com/Corona_Extra_White_Hibiscus_Navy_Tube_Top-p-2299.html


Also, to your sibling, I can understand how you want to be protective, but the taking your ball and going home attitude is something that most of us have grown out of by high school. There will be more critiques of your sister's work, and as an artist, that is to be expected.

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

caspianta


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mjc613 wrote:While I did not see this particular set of shirts, I did see other "3- tshirts with a horizontal stripe of hibiscus. " If you think this shirt is similar enough to reject this entry, use the Tattle button. But I think woot already knows what's out there, and they haven't rejected this one yet.

By the way, since this shirt can not be purchased online (you have to call an 800 #), and it costs twice the price as woot, they may consider that this shop is not a competitor. You can ask.


i'm struggling to understand how the order method or cost affects the existence of a shirt's design as being similar (or not) to another? and i think also that some parties need to remember that no one is being accused of searching out an idea and recreating it to make profit off of someone elses' property but rather that there are similar shirts in existence and we'd rather have our precious woot days taken up with shirts that are significantly different than those available elsewhere.

bvillarreal


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dlind41 wrote:Well, I never post on here, I just enjoy the shirts and looking at peoples design. With that said I like your design a lot. The Colors are my favorite and i love the idea of a liquid design for the flower. So here's to your design staying in the fog!!


Thanks for the post dlind41!

bvillarreal


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karma1apple wrote:I don't understand, it seems like you could get a shirt identical to this at any Wal-Mart or Target.


But theirs wouldn't come with this entertaining debate ; )

bvillarreal


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ekaywhy wrote:congratulations on having the most discussed entry i've ever seen. couldn't even dream of reading though all these comments.


Thanks, yea, it's a lot - Here's a brief summary: Some people think my shirt design vacuums and some other people think those people are being rude in their critical analyses and are defending my design. I submitted this having no earthly idea it would get any more votes than my submissions usually do. I'm trying to answer everybody, but have missed a few.

bvillarreal


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Translucent branch sounds like a good idea - I'll try to incorporate that if I should have to change it. Thanks.

Schrobblehead


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


I haven't much paid attention to comments on individual shirts in a while so skimming over these has been quite a treat. I haven't seen this much hating on a design since the comments on the hoodie design from trompe l'oeil. lulz

I'm a Christmas Unicorn! In a uniform made of gold, with a billy-goat beard, and a sorcerer's shield, and mistletoe on my nose!

aenari


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


Pretty colors...but pretty boring, if you ask me.

Wanting is no art...to want rightly, on the other hand, is a great art, or rather, it is a gift.
-Kierkegaard

dustpuppy


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ruby2uesday wrote:very pretty, LOVE the colors, but you can get the same type shirt anywhere, to include 5 for $20 bucks at the flea market in Hawaii.


But you know, as a Hawaii expat, that's exactly why I like it.

Join the march to save individuality!

sutheo


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caspianta wrote:some parties need to remember that no one is being accused of searching out an idea and recreating it to make profit off of someone elses' property but rather that there are similar shirts in existence and we'd rather have our precious woot days taken up with shirts that are significantly different than those available elsewhere.


Of all posts here I think you said it best, people are whining because this shirt isn't quite 'wooty' enough for them. That is why I personally only vote for shirts I would buy/wear, not just shirts I that are good designs.

As with most people on this site, I don't buy every shirt that comes up. I buy a shirt or 2 a month, and really refuse to get bent out of shape over peticular shirts not getting printed.

bvillarreal


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Schrobblehead wrote:I haven't much paid attention to comments on individual shirts in a while so skimming over these has been quite a treat. I haven't seen this much hating on a design since the comments on the hoodie design from trompe l'oeil. lulz


Had to go back and see - I wasn't here then. Didn't read it all, but it looks like it was a little more intense. Nice woodcut/ukioye feel to your tiki surfer design, btw.

bvillarreal


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aenari wrote:Pretty colors...but pretty boring, if you ask me.


Thanks for the compliment on the colors.

bvillarreal


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dustpuppy wrote:But you know, as a Hawaii expat, that's exactly why I like it.


Thanks, Dustpuppy!

bvillarreal


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sutheo wrote:Of all posts here I think you said it best, people are whining because this shirt isn't quite 'wooty' enough for them. That is why I personally only vote for shirts I would buy/wear, not just shirts I that are good designs.

As with most people on this site, I don't buy every shirt that comes up. I buy a shirt or 2 a month, and really refuse to get bent out of shape over peticular shirts not getting printed.


I agree with your take on voting, I also vote for what I would want to wear.

ohhhshtbtch


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


Seriously???

alaw6163


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


simplicity and originality. not bad not bad.... ^ ^

mcspanky


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


Would have liked it if each flower was diffrent

mjc613


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karma1apple wrote:I don't understand, it seems like you could get a shirt identical to this at any Wal-Mart or Target.


Just came back from Wal-Mart. No hibiscus shirts.

AdderXYU


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alaw6163 wrote:simplicity and originality. not bad not bad.... ^ ^


Did you read the thread?

bvillarreal


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alaw6163 wrote:simplicity and originality. not bad not bad.... ^ ^


Thank you alaw6163. I appreciate your assessment.

bvillarreal


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mjc613 wrote:Just came back from Wal-Mart. No hibiscus shirts.


me too! Thanks mjc613.

bvillarreal


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AdderXYU wrote:Did you read the thread?


Nobody has that kind of time. I am interested in your input for future endeavors. Advice and guidance from an experienced t-shirt designer is always appreciated.

bvillarreal


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DigitalDonkey wrote:GMV!

;)


Thanks, DigitalDonkey. Interesting name, too.

cobolisdead


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kappapsichica wrote:This makes me laugh - like your option is to do only one or the other. =D


You might be missing the meaning of what he said.

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

KilroyCurtis


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Re: Liquid Hibiscus


Uh, Hahah. Sorry, did my original post get moderated out? This'll be the last time I contribute. Unfortunately, I like buying T-shirts far too much to stop coming back and reading...

Poop!

bardolator


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bvillarreal wrote:When I do any drawing or painting - I do the initial upchuck of creativity .

That made me laaaaaaugh! XD

snacky227


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You were still wearing OP in 1998? Ouch, I thought that stuff went out in 1988.

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