Derby #65: Shirt as Costume
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BE THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE THE LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DavidShenoda


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For the Elf enthusiast - relive the glory of the video game nirvana that was the 1980's.

*Also, sorry about the shirt comp/placement. The Design is exactly 16x20, so if you look at the design detail, it fits those proportions. Just picture it filling the Printable Area completely. I tried to show it on the example shirts, but I had to guesstimate it and I don't think I did it too well.

Shirt detail.

murenrb


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Come on people. Zelda is really cool. We all like Zelda. But lets be more creative!!!!!

Zenverse


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I'm so very tempted...I'm crazy about LoZ stuff. I even bought LoZ manga that's in Japanese even though I can't read it! If you did Oni Link's armor I would freak out...but I think that would be taken down for copyright issues ='(.

(I <3 Oni Link)

RedHeadedGoddess


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Can I just ask, why is the design and the shirts different dimensions?

Discobiscuits


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I'd vote for it, but the cut-off point really kills the design. Sorry :\

female


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murenrb wrote:Yes it took some artistry to make


Looks pretty slapdash to me. There's white crusties around a lot of the black lines and a big green square around the whole thing. I'd look to the mountie one as something that was done with artistry. This seems kind of sloppy.

fortgeorge


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female wrote:Looks pretty slapdash to me. There's white crusties around a lot of the black lines and a big green square around the whole thing. I'd look to the mountie one as something that was done with artistry. This seems kind of sloppy.


I agree, you should have just made it on a transparent background, would have looked much better.

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Zenverse


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female wrote:Looks pretty slapdash to me. There's white crusties around a lot of the black lines and a big green square around the whole thing. I'd look to the mountie one as something that was done with artistry. This seems kind of sloppy.

Hmm, I didn't notice all that until someone mentioned it. Guess I got a little overzealous on seeing a LoZ themed shirt. It is starting to look less appealing.

DavidShenoda


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female wrote:Looks pretty slapdash to me. There's white crusties around a lot of the black lines and a big green square around the whole thing. I'd look to the mountie one as something that was done with artistry. This seems kind of sloppy.


I'm starting to think that this "female" screen name is just an alias created by one of my two arch enemies on woot to legitimize there slanderous haphazardy.

Despite the fact that I really shouldn't have to justify your remarks with a response, I'm in a fun mood, so I'll have a go at them. I also wouldn't want you putting naughty ideas in the heads of my other woot friends.

First off, the crusties are due to the resolution difference between the original design and the 600x600 dimensions that woot allots for the S-Comp. Furthermore, "female", if you had ever attempted making a design you would know about resolution and compression artifacts and how they relate to displaying a design.

Second, the green square is a result of the texture pattern I added "underneath" the design to give it the feel of a rough fabric (i.e. elf boy's tunic). The texture is composed of many very small white marks, so when viewed at a distance they make the whole printable area appear a lighter green. Just google "value recognition with patterning or optical illusion" to find a more detailed explanation of this visual phenomenon.

Thirdly, I love the mounty entry! That's why I voted for it, as you should - and anyone else who thinks canada is the funniest country. Shoot, they gave us Jim Carrey, and you know he's Hella-Funny!

DavidShenoda


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josmul123


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This is a great idea for a costume as a shirt. However, woot's shirt printing requirements force this one to be executed poorly.

The thatching on the shirt to make it look like a burlap material would be great if the entire shirt could be printed with it and/or the shirt itself could be patterned as such. The fact that it stops as a rectangle is not ideal, and I think it would look like someone printed it onto a t-shirt transfer and ironed it onto a shirt, even if professionally printed by Woot. I think the shirt would be better without them.

This is also a design that needs to be printed to the edges of the shirt and/or printed on the shoulder of the shirt to pull it off correctly. The belt should go to the edges of the shirt, and the shoulder storage packs should go over the shoulder to the seam, but they can't be printed like that under current derby requirements.

The fact that the shirts already have collars on them makes the second collar look out-of-place. My fear with this (and everything else I've mentioned) is that the person wearing the shirt would look like they're wearing a shirt that's made out of a shirt that's made for a smaller person. The belt won't line up to peoples' belt lines (because the shirt is too short), the collar will be too low (because it has to be printed there), and the shoulder satchels will just look wrong.

I love the design, but I just think it's trying to put a square peg into a round hole. Unless Woot is willing to print this one to the seams/over the shoulder, I'd pass on it, though.

DavidShenoda


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josmul123 wrote:This is a great idea ... I'd pass on it, though.


Thanks for the input. My gut feeling was not to add the patterning for that exact reason, but I really liked the texture it added to the design. Either way, I suppose if woot wanted, that they could print it with out the patterning on it. I have the file saved with the texture pattern on a separate layer, so to print it without the pattern is really a mouse click away.

*to WOOT staff*
I don't know though. WOOT, you guys print a lot of shirts, so if you think it would sell more without, feel free to nix it. I don't mind either way.

fablefire


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The banter in this thread made me sad. :<

DavidShenoda


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fablefire wrote:The banter in this thread made me sad. :<


Cheer up Fabes! It's all in good fun. At least on my part it is.

Banter is healthy! It invigorates the mind and body! And it tastes better than that smelly cod liver oil.

rachel1aaron


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Hey, thought I'd add my .02 to this debate. I have no clue about the character/game this is based on. But because there are plenty of others who do recognize this, I think that the choice to use this design is legit. The point of a Halloween costume is to represent something recognizable. Whether this is "creative" is up to the viewer.
Yes, the allowable print area does cause this design (and many others) to fall short in the realism dept., but that's also one of the drawbacks of wearing a t-shirt as a costume.
The one artistic critique I have is that although the green texture is present to add to the look of the costume, I do feel like it falls short due to it filling the entire available print area. If it had been used in key detail areas, such as the pocket, around the collar, and other random highlight regions I feel like it would be more effective and a positive addition to the design. As it is, from a distance it does take on the look of an iron-on, which is too bad.
I have no particular ties to this designer. But I do have an interest in seeing honest & civil critique. Like Fablefire, a lot of the comments here make me sad. I know it's just words, but I believe words lead into actions. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. I believe that also. Though I don't presume to call myself a "good (wo)man" I do my best. Hence these comments.

Glad to get that off my chest, thanks for listening. :o)

SailorButterfly


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As a Zelda fan, I love this shirt. Yeah, video game shirts are my weakness...call it a guilty pleasure.

So...I like the shirt, I voted for it...however, I do think it would be better without the texture. I get what you are going for, but since it can't cover the whole shirt, I think it would just be better without it.

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JadenKale


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DavidShenoda wrote:I'm starting to think that this "female" screen name is just an alias created by one of my two arch enemies on woot to legitimize there slanderous haphazardy.

Just to set your mind at ease, David... I am not 'female' since she and I have gotten into design arguments in the past.

As others have stated, I too am in disagreement with the texture you added. I think you could have better utilized your 6th color in shading the design rather than leaving your details so flat.
I think someone else noted that while you claimed it's 16x20, I see the shirt comp and you seemed to have squeezed and slightly rotated it onto the shirt models (I also noticed you have elongated your shirt models. For what reason, I don't quite fully understand. I use the same comps and have never seen the need to stretch them out.) But I must say, the distortion bugs me and I'd rather have seen it with the regular dimensions. Your current presentation makes them look like a totally different shirt and I find it unappealing.

theREALslim


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If this wins, I'll be so happy. That will be two Zelda woot tees I have.

DavidShenoda


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Well, for once I %100 agree. When I was scaling around to make the actual shirt examples, I had to resize them more than once and they got pretty skewed. I apologize again to everyone for that. My intention was really just to have the belt sit a little bit lower. Either way, when I get off work today, I will try to post a better picture to illustrate the placement.

And also, as far as the extra detail goes, I feel you for sure. I wanted to do more, but take a look at the submission times for both of my designs and you'll no why I didn't keep going with it. I spent way too long on the alien if you couldn't tell.

Either way, by the looks of things I don't think it has a realistic shot at getting printed. I wouldn't mind having two in the fog. That would be awesome!

DavidShenoda


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Alright, I retract all my previous statements. This shirt is garbage, as is every other shirt I've wasted time in submitting. Please do not vote for this shirt!

DavidShenoda


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Thanks to all the cool people who have voted for me and supported on woot up to now. You guys are awesome, and please feel free to stop by threadless or dbh to vote for my past designs, alien included. I don't want to hassle with woot's ridiculous inconsistent restrictions.

Shoppingdingo


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DavidShenoda wrote:Thanks to all the cool people who have voted for me and supported on woot up to now. You guys are awesome, and please feel free to stop by threadless or dbh to vote for my past designs, alien included. I don't want to hassle with woot's ridiculous inconsistent restrictions.

And to all the haters, congrats on being such mean people.



If you dont want to hassle.. should we assume youve asked to have this shirt removed from the competition too?

Kilagria


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rachel1aaron wrote:Hey, thought I'd add my .02 to this debate. I have no clue about the character/game this is based on. But because there are plenty of others who do recognize this, I think that the choice to use this design is legit. The point of a Halloween costume is to represent something recognizable. Whether this is "creative" is up to the viewer.


Practically everyone knows what the legend of zelda is, even my five year old brother.

Mancho


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Oh yeah!.. feedback... feedback...
Uh... yeah... The texture makes it look like an iron-on. You probably should have make use of the effort in making the pockets/belt look more realistic. And stretching the shirts to make it look like the design would actually fit right, is ridiculous.

Oops! That was critical, wasn't it?..... :/

Mancho


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Mancho wrote:Oh yeah!.. feedback... feedback...
Uh... yeah... The texture makes it look like an iron-on. You probably should have make use of the effort in making the pockets/belt look more realistic. And stretching the shirts to make it look like the design would actually fit right, is ridiculous.

Oops! That was critical, wasn't it?..... :/


Ack! Someone took a hatchet to the comments. Now everything is out of context and doesn't make sense anymore.. oh well. Guess this one will disappear too....

Kilagria


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Hey mancho/pepper, what happened to david and adder?

Mancho


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Kilagria wrote:Hey mancho/pepper, what happened to david and adder?


Well, it appears sometime soon after David stormed away, he was put on probation for several hours. For what, I'm not exactly sure. As soon as that probation was up, he was put on probation again (this time for like 72 hours). No idea what offence that was for.

Adder just disappeared for all I know.

Kilagria


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Mancho wrote:Well, it appears sometime soon after David stormed away, he was put on probation for several hours. For what, I'm not exactly sure. As soon as that probation was up, he was put on probation again (this time for like 72 hours). No idea what offence that was for.

Adder just disappeared for all I know.


adder's on probation too

Mancho


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Kilagria wrote:adder's on probation too


Geez! It's hard enough to keep track of people as it is. They start deleting posts and its next to impossible.

Kilagria


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Mancho wrote:Geez! It's hard enough to keep track of people as it is. They start deleting posts and its next to impossible.


heha i was reading some other post that adder had made and it showed the dog under his name, thats how i found out.

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