Derby #76: Beginning
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The epic begins

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DeadFrog


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Four pets, dumped into a sewer by a careless child. One vial of mutagen, dropped into the sewer by something that I don't really remember and should go look up. Combined...

fablefire


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L O L

This is made of awesome.

ChronoSquall14


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I don't normally like obvious references, but this one's cute enough and so out of the blue that I couldn't help but laugh when I saw it. You win. GMV

southpaw3687


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fablefire wrote:L O L

This is made of awesome.


I think he actually used vintage awesome... GMV

sf25819


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The curious turtles, the upturned one...this is an awesomely cute shirt!

speedcheetah


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...when the evil Shredder attacks...these turtle boys don't cut him no slack! ...ahh, the days of my youth...

BootsBoots


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hahahaha! Great.


DeadFrog


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southpaw3687 wrote:I think he actually used vintage awesome... GMV

You are correct sir. I did, in fact, have some vintage awesome that my cousin found in an abandoned warehouse. I used almost half of my remaining supply.

ramyb


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This is so awesome- if it prints I might just have to get one

drummerbooker14


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Definitely will buy one

Stellardig


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Like Totally Cool Dude! Awesome work! Stellardig

jordie5000


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Pro all over.

Anthony3419


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I can hear the song playing already... GMV! DUDE!


peppersagooddog


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heros in a half shell has votes ;)

Leahbh


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I love this! Will definitely buy one.

undercurrent


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DeadFrog wrote:Four pets, dumped into a sewer by a careless child. One vial of mutagen, dropped into the sewer by something that I don't really remember and should go look up. Combined...


Funniest post I've read in a long time! GMV!

laryxle


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ahuhu, this works perfectly on a t-shirt. Great idea. GMV

Discobiscuits


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A winner is you.

greg4734


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ChronoSquall14 wrote:I don't normally like obvious references, but this one's cute enough and so out of the blue that I couldn't help but laugh when I saw it. You win. GMV


what's this a reference to?

TurboGraphx16


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An absolutely awesome, simple, shirt that I would most definitely buy. Got my vote.

jones21403


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L O L Turtle Power!

mistermevans


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Oh god this better win

byrbwr


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i knew this was your design as soon as i saw it, looks very much like the narnia one. i do love this shirt and look forward to buying it.

instantkarma


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byrbwr wrote:i knew this was your design as soon as i saw it, looks very much like the narnia one. i do love this shirt and look forward to buying it.


I really did not like the style of the Narnia shirt, and when I saw the preview for this shirt I nearly didn't click on it because I thought it wouldn't impress me, either. However, the somewhat faux-distressed look works very well on this shirt - I think it might be the colors that make a difference. Even though I'm not a huge fan of the TMNT, I think I'll have to pick up one of these if it prints (and recommend it to my roommate, who *is* a big fan).

DeadFrog


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Thanks so much to everyone so far for the votes and comments. It was really fun to be able to come up with this design and remember my obsession with the turtles.

gizmoduck1234


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What a clever twist on the Ninja Turtles! Oh wait, it's practically a direct shot from the movie with absolutely nothing added. But it's distressed! Who cares if there's no thought or creativity involved beyond putting a scene from a movie on a shirt!

Shame on all of you for giving this design any credit at all.

Kerry672


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:What a clever twist on the Ninja Turtles! Oh wait, it's practically a direct shot from the movie with absolutely nothing added. But it's distressed! Who cares if there's no thought or creativity involved beyond putting a scene from a movie on a shirt!


I know! I love this shirt! :D

kdeuce


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this has potential to get most votes ever.
gl. well done.

DeadFrog


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:What a clever twist on the Ninja Turtles! Oh wait, it's practically a direct shot from the movie with absolutely nothing added. But it's distressed! Who cares if there's no thought or creativity involved beyond putting a scene from a movie on a shirt!

Shame on all of you for giving this design any credit at all.


I've never actually seen any of the Ninja Turtle movies. I led a sheltered childhood--we didn't watch anything that wasn't rated G. I do know that the scene from the original comic books is very different from this design.

Copo


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:Who cares if there's no thought or creativity involved beyond putting a scene from a movie on a shirt!


Hot damn, the picture moves too?

gizmoduck1234


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DeadFrog wrote:I've never actually seen any of the Ninja Turtle movies. I led a sheltered childhood--we didn't watch anything that wasn't rated G. I do know that the scene from the original comic books is very different from this design.


A broken canister of "ooze" with four little turtles crawling around it. That's the scene from the movie, which is exactly what you have here. The comic book has the four turtles covered with ooze with a broken canister next to them. What then in this design is your idea?

lynlynlora


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I love this shirt. being a girl, I am unsure if I can wear a Turtles shirt, but I might be willing to risk it for this.

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eHalcyon


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lynlynlora wrote:I love this shirt. being a girl, I am unsure if I can wear a Turtles shirt, but I might be willing to risk it for this.


You'll be the belle of the sphere... or at least any comic book conventions.

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DeadFrog


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:A broken canister of "ooze" with four little turtles crawling around it. That's the scene from the movie, which is exactly what you have here. The comic book has the four turtles covered with ooze with a broken canister next to them. What then in this design is your idea?


The arrangement, the composition, the expressions.

Yes, the design does contain four turtles and a test tube. I did not invent those things. You win.

gizmoduck1234


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DeadFrog wrote:The arrangement, the composition, the expressions.

Using symbols in a new way to convey something that has not been conveyed before, the way writers use words they did not invent. (No insult intended to those that do, I LOVE YOU JRR TOLKIEN AND JK ROWLING!!!)


So because you have the turtles in slightly different positions you've said or added something that wasn't in the original versions? What exactly? Expressions? They all have blank turtle faces, just like the turtles in the originals . You're not using these "symbols" in any new way, nice try. It's still turtles crawling around ooze, the idea of which you didn't originate, you're just ripping it with no added comment of your own. Is it a copyright infringement. No. Is it unoriginal, uncreative, and downright shameful that you're getting any kind of credit for it. Yeah.

DeadFrog


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:So because you have the turtles in slightly different positions you've said or added something that wasn't in the original versions? What exactly? Expressions? They all have blank turtle faces, just like the turtles in the originals . You're not using these "symbols" in any new way, nice try. It's still turtles crawling around ooze, the idea of which you didn't originate, you're just ripping it with no added comment of your own. Is it a copyright infringement. No. Is it unoriginal, uncreative, and downright shameful that you're getting any kind of credit for it. Yeah.


I didn't edit fast enough. :]

You were right to correct yourself when you claimed it was copyright infringement. Thank you for admitting you were wrong. It takes a big person to do that.

gizmoduck1234


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DeadFrog wrote:I didn't edit fast enough. :]

You were right to correct yourself when you claimed it was copyright infringement. Thank you for admitting you were wrong. It takes a big person to do that.


Are you actually lying and claiming I said it was copyright infringement? I never said it was, I said it was unoriginal and uncreative. Wow. If that is your claim than you are truly a sad person.

DeadFrog


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Gizmoduck1234,

Your original post certainly had a copyright infringement tone to it. I'm sorry you do not like the shirt.

Can't please them all right?

Thank you so much everyone who has voted so far and have been so supportive in your comments!

gizmoduck1234


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:What a clever twist on the Ninja Turtles! Oh wait, it's practically a direct shot from the movie with absolutely nothing added. But it's distressed! Who cares if there's no thought or creativity involved beyond putting a scene from a movie on a shirt!

Shame on all of you for giving this design any credit at all.


I'm just quoting this because it's clear I didn't say a single thing about copyright issue. Everything I said was definitively about how unoriginal and uncreative it was. That you would then pull some childish thing about how I "admited I was wrong on the copyright thing" and went back to edit your own post because you basically couldn't defend it as being different says to me that even you don't think it's very creative. But this is woot, so congrats on the easy money. I'm going to go recreate some scenes from Ghostbusters now.

fairnymph


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Hilarious but I would never wear this. And I did love the show, like obsessively.

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burntorange27


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DeadFrog- this shirt is absolutely adorable. If/when it prints, im getting myself one. and one for my boyfriend! what a cute idea for the derby theme!
true, you didnt invent the teenage mutant ninja turtles, but using that idea for this "Beginnings" derby is perfect!
I support this design and you and i cant wait to wear this shirt!

kdeuce


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:I'm just quoting this because it's clear I didn't say a single thing about copyright issue. Everything I said was definitively about how unoriginal and uncreative it was. That you would then pull some childish thing about how I "admited I was wrong on the copyright thing" and went back to edit your own post because you basically couldn't defend it as being different says to me that even you don't think it's very creative. But this is woot, so congrats on the easy money. I'm going to go recreate some scenes from Ghostbusters now.


dude, don't be an adder.

DeadFrog


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Gizmoduck,

Yes, I interpreted your "direct shot from the movie" comment as having a bit of a copyright infringement tone to it. If that is not what was meant by it, sorry that my interpretation was off.

I'm sorry you don't like my design and I am sorry that it has irritated you enough to come here and toss around insults.

I do like my design. I never said I was trying to be "original" (if anything in this day and age can be classified as original) or some creative genius. I know the story, but like I said I have never seen the movies. I thought TMNT would work for this derby theme as it is iconic enough for people to get it when they see it. In its own way it symbolizes a beginning to a much enjoyable part of my childhood (and probably several others).

goodedesign


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it's a glow stick!

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dekonstruct


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I think this might be where TMNT fans and raver culture meet.

nbrosas


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I don't really like the fact that it's the same style as the LWW one, but this idea is so freaking awesome I have to vote for it and I would buy it.

fairnymph


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dekonstruct wrote:I think this might be where TMNT fans and raver culture meet.


Heeeeeeeeeeeee!

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dolphin76


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GMV. Will buy 2 if it wins...one for my daughter and one for her best friend--cannot believe that TMNT is still around today!

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sekiyuko


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DeadFrog wrote:Gizmoduck,

Yes, I interpreted your "direct shot from the movie" comment as having a bit of a copyright infringement tone to it. If that is not what was meant by it, sorry that my interpretation was off.

I'm sorry you don't like my design and I am sorry that it has irritated you enough to come here and toss around insults.

I do like my design. I never said I was trying to be "original" (if anything in this day and age can be classified as original) or some creative genius. I know the story, but like I said I have never seen the movies. I thought TMNT would work for this derby theme as it is iconic enough for people to get it when they see it. In its own way it symbolizes a beginning to a much enjoyable part of my childhood (and probably several others).


Point DF.

pollo417


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I like it, and I will buy two if it wins. Looking at all the shirts I didn't see to many that haven't been done before or are new ideas bloomed from no place at all, so ignore the jealous people who leave mean comments let woot choose who is rejected. You have a wonderful talent in art keep it up!

stannley


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So I am very tempted to buy one for myself and one for my son if this prints so we can be all cute and matchy like

narkus


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:I'm just quoting this because it's clear I didn't say a single thing about copyright issue. Everything I said was definitively about how unoriginal and uncreative it was. That you would then pull some childish thing about how I "admited I was wrong on the copyright thing" and went back to edit your own post because you basically couldn't defend it as being different says to me that even you don't think it's very creative. But this is woot, so congrats on the easy money. I'm going to go recreate some scenes from Ghostbusters now.


Rollerball (2002), give it a fragging rest. i like it, frog : )


crowjane


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kdeuce wrote:dude, don't be an adder.


awesome, they filtered a- hole to say "adder".

ISO30


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Great design. And, given the concept, do I smell a "80's Cartoons Reinterpreted" derby coming up at some point.

DeadFrog


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ISO30 wrote:Great design. And, given the concept, do I smell a "80's Cartoons Reinterpreted" derby coming up at some point.


Oooohh, I call dibs on Muppet Babies!

Smalls56


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Score. Great shirt. This will be the first derby shirt I will buy in a while.

ferfong


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ahuhu. I was a sad rat cuz I missed out on your adorable Narnia shirt, but if this prints I'll have to buy it. I loved the live action movies when I was a kid [sorry, hardcore comic fans].

The upside down turtle just *makes* this design. :D

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Barnhill5


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crowjane wrote:awesome, they filtered a- hole to say "adder".


Nope, still chocolate starfish. This was no filter... so are y'all saying "adder" is becoming a cuss word?

DrkRonin


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i take back all my other votes I WANT THIS SHIRT!!!!!!

Arnion


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Among the most awesome things...ever! =D

peppersagooddog


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:So because you have the turtles in slightly different positions you've said or added something that wasn't in the original versions? What exactly? Expressions? They all have blank turtle faces, just like the turtles in the originals . You're not using these "symbols" in any new way, nice try. It's still turtles crawling around ooze, the idea of which you didn't originate, you're just ripping it with no added comment of your own. Is it a copyright infringement. No. Is it unoriginal, uncreative, and downright shameful that you're getting any kind of credit for it. Yeah.






just cause you are being an ass i will point out that there sentence near the bottom that says, and i quote...
"Is it a copyright infringement."
you see, if you had ended that with a question mark, it might have oh i dont know, looked like a question and answer of no. instead you left it as a statement which technically makes no sense as a sentence, but closely resembles someone saying "copyright infringement" in a menacing sort of way.

brwnrthanu


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Awesome, awesome, awesome! GMV and will buy when it prints!

PopeYmir


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:I really like to take a big one in the bunghole.


ORLY?

byrbwr


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PopeYmir wrote:i'm not a very nice person


aww

OtakuRyu


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peppersagooddog wrote:just cause you are being an ass i will point out that there sentence near the bottom that says, and i quote...
"Is it a copyright infringement."
you see, if you had ended that with a question mark, it might have oh i dont know, looked like a question and answer of no. instead you left it as a statement which technically makes no sense as a sentence, but closely resembles someone saying "copyright infringement" in a menacing sort of way.


Haha, way to go gooddog = 3

This design makes me so happy you don't even know-- but I HATED HATED HAAAATED LWW and the brush strokes thing is quite... well, reminiscent and that's just bugging me =_= But, I love the design... I'm so torn...
Either way I suppose, you've GMV. <3

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ydgunz


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Excellent. I love this design and I really hope it wins. I will buy this shirt


jadziadax


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I think this would look a lot better without the fake distressed look.

HeartlineTwist


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I disliked the style for the LWW shirt, but I LOVE it here because it portrays an actual action instead of three things just chilling.

As for the vacuous debate the giz started, um...wow. Do you have this same outrage to tgentry's design? I mean, to say there is NO difference between this and the movie/comics is completely asinine. On top of that, this rage is just plain silly. Look at ALL of the other designs that have been heralded as genius in the history of woot that are basically just directly stealing a familiar product and pasting it on a t-shirt without any real tweaks other than a CYA. Examples, you say? The gameboy shirt, every shirt ever to have a game controller on it, etc.

DF, I think you're fine on this shirt. Don't worry about him. It's great.

As for anyone else: The beating on the unoriginal/uncreative drum is getting REALLY tired, especially given the state of this derby, the derby before it, and the derby before that. Believe it or not, this site seems to actually be getting to the point where artistry is also being rewarded alongside a perfectly executed concept. I'm just happy that a chicken/egg entry is still a few places back.

If this prints, definitely in for one. The turtles rule!

jordie5000


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I understand this argument has sort of fizzled out but I would just like to point out for Deadfrog's sake for anyone else just tuning in. The turtles set up in this design are obviously not a direct pull from the film. Do not doubt this re-imagining because of one wooter--please vote, it's an excellent design.

Posted this twice because for some reason, probably my overall clumsiness, it ended up not..Here.

derekfilley


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Heh, love it.


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jewelwing


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This is great. I saw it and liked it for just the image, then I came back and looked at it again today and FINALLY got the reference. I'm slow. But what I mean is that the drawing is way cool and then it's TMNT, so even better.

AdderXYU


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sekiyuko wrote:Point DF.


Please keep your fake accounts straight

ZiM1021


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I love it. It's got my vote, seeing as I was a huge TMNT fan growing up and still am. If it wins, I'm buying one without a doubt. Fantastic job.

dangurous


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this week's winner by a landslide. i'm buying it when it prints for sure. god i love the turtles!

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DeadFrog


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Patchitect wrote:What.. no Rat?


Too controversial.

Was it a ninja that turned into a giant rat or a ninja's pet rat that became part man? Either way, the debate would have torn into this entry like Cinderella's stepsisters attacking a dress.

artulo


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DeadFrog wrote:Too controversial.

Was it a ninja that turned into a giant rat or a ninja's pet rat that became part man? Either way, the debate would have torn into this entry like Cinderella's stepsisters attacking a dress.


Cinderella's stepsisters were just trying to help! That hideous, ill-fitting frock looked like it was sewn by rodents.

haishasan


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I want it!

sf25819


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Copyright infringement? I don't recall ever watching a series about young-adult deformed raver tortoises.

elwayman02


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nbrosas wrote:I don't really like the fact that it's the same style as the LWW one, but this idea is so freaking awesome I have to vote for it and I would buy it.


Yes, but where the LWW shirt was a horrible excuse for a design that should be forgotten more quickly than broccoli, this one is awesome in every way...

fofmock


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This is awesome... the votes per hour have been so high for it that it's nearly guaranteed 1st or 2nd...

DrkRonin


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greg4734 wrote:what's this a reference to?


Your kidding right?
only the greatest Teenage Muntant Ninja Turles EVER!!!!

Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael, and Michelangelo

please some one tell me he was kidding..

MiKEYxCORE


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I got it relatively immediately, but my brother had to stare at it for a minute or so. So it's kind of the best of both worlds in that it's not a blatantly outright reference to one's nerdiness (but not something that's totally obscure either). GMV for sure. I want to buy this.

Sky


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sf25819 wrote:Copyright infringement? I don't recall ever watching a series about young-adult deformed raver tortoises.

Especially distressed ones.

Also, thanks, Jordie5000, for posting that screenshot. It's obvious to me that there's no direct visual connection between the images, other than the general idea of turtles around spilled goo. I certainly don't see "theft" here at all, honestly.

Props, many props, to DeadFrog for handling this debate maturely and reasonably.

carlover323


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THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST SHIRTS DESIGNS ON HERE. ever!!

JTMosh


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I need this shirt. I'm not kidding. If this doesn't make the top 3 I'll go on a rampage.

sf25819


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What's the fastest a shirt has ever sold out because I'm thinking this might beat it.

briannasbored247


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i love this!

iris420


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My boyfriend has pronounced this shirt "badass", so I'll give it a vote because he is too lazy to create his own account. Good luck!

Carpe shirtem!

D1C0M


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Great Design. +

theinfinityloop


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sf25819 wrote:What's the fastest a shirt has ever sold out because I'm thinking this might beat it.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it was Bandolier Of Carrots. It was a detour in a Woot-Off. I think it sold out in, like, 30 minutes. Although the blue shell shirt sold out pretty quickly as well.

I was a HUGE TMNT fan when I was younger, so I might consider purchasing this. I'm just a little tired of the distressed look, though.


fredv


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crowjane wrote:awesome, they filtered a- hole to say "adder".


Ha! Made me spill my tea. Love the shirt, and since it is supposed to represent the beginning of the TMNT I'm not sure how you could design it without turtles and "goo" so the unoriginal idea makes no sense.

PDHenderson


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Pure awesome

gizmoduck1234


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fredv wrote: Love the shirt, and since it is supposed to represent the beginning of the TMNT I'm not sure how you could design it without turtles and "goo" so the unoriginal idea makes no sense.


It makes plenty of sense. The "artist" could have added his own personal twist on it, like the Mickey Mouse one. You know, something original. Instead he just took the original TMNT imagery and did NOTHING to it. I'm sure you would have said the same thing about Mickey Mouse. What could you do to make it different? Well, you could actually try to THINK of something that's unique. This is completely unoriginal and devoid of any merit whatsoever. I would call it clever if the origin wasn't known and the designer hypothesized what it might look like, or if he took an alternate "what really happened" spin on it, but this is exactly as it's portrayed in the originals. But who cares, that's the way it goes around here. "Designers" get paid big money for using other people's ideas and work, adding nothing to it of their own. Kudos to you. Maybe you'll donate some of the proceeds to Eastman and Laird since it's 100% their idea.

And please don't bother with the "there's no original ideas under the sun" defense that's usually used when someone blatantly copies other people's ideas. There's plenty of new ideas to be had and twists on old ideas, you just have to TRY to find them.

PhilSandifer


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I'm torn. It's cute, and I like it as a design. But A) I am disinclined to wear something with faux distress, and B) It really is just a straightforward Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles shirt without additional commentary. The rejected Pokemon shirt last derby had more parodic content than this.

lavalamp


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I liked it in the thumbnail, but I just can't stand the fake-distressed-scratched look. Sorry! Nothing else bad to say about it. Just posting to give moral support to my brethren, even though it's obvious that most people like the effect or at least aren't bothered by it, so it's not a shirt-killer.

Copo


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PhilSandifer wrote:I'm torn. It's cute, and I like it as a design. But A) I am disinclined to wear something with faux distress, and B) It really is just a straightforward Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles shirt without additional commentary. The rejected Pokemon shirt last derby had more parodic content than this.


A) Neither were parodies
B) Pikachu is a specific character whose rights completely belong to Nintendo, and it is way fragging illegal to profit off of such.
C) Nobody owns the rights to turtles and vials; therefore no parody must be made when using the aforementioned objects.
D) Don't vote. No one cares. At all. Nobody. Really. If you haven't noticed, it's been consistently the top of the hotness. It would more than likely take an irrational disqualification for this not to win. Without that, there's a really high chance it's printing. In which case you can decide whether to buy it, and, still, no one will care because, obviously, a whole lot of people who aren't you are already excited to buy it.

Kaliko2005


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Re: The epic begins


I actually voted for this one i love it

dselig


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cowabunga dude!
totally gnarly!!

i have no clue what to write here anymore....

hotcha


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[quote postid="2902415" user="gizmoduck1234"]It makes plenty of sense. The "artist" could have added his own personal twist on it...quote]

You've already tried to made this point. I don't see why you're repeating yourself, since you weren't very convincing last time. I also wonder why you waste so much time here, since you obviously have such a low opinion of everyone. That this tshirt seems to have so offended your standards for artistic integrity is morbidly hilarious.

What makes the shirt interesting is that it's a well done slightly oblique cultural refence. It's also simple, clean, and uncluttered. Adding alternate spins could also have made for a good shirt, but in an antithetical way. I'm glad it was designed the way it was, and my only concern is that too many people are going to buy it, and that i'll see it around town. I hate that.

omnipotent32


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BEST.SHIRT.EVER!

In for at least 1.

Re: The epic begins

Woot!
12/9/07 Viore HDTV Wizard Portable HDTV Tuner
Woot.Shirt!
12/9/07 "Unfriendly Locals" , 2/15/07 "Anatomy Test", "Sliced Bread", "Herd? What Herd?", "The Cake is a Liar", "Swimm Little Nessie!", "Angry Day" and "TAG"

Xanzibar


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:

And please don't bother with the "there's no original ideas under the sun" defense that's usually used when someone blatantly copies other people's ideas. There's plenty of new ideas to be had and twists on old ideas, you just have to TRY to find them.
Its a shame that i myself am a forum troll and cannot accept that i should be quiet about this subject .


Hmmm. Maybe you should take a second look at this shirt buddy. Its just four turtles and a vial of something. Yes its a parody of the TMNT, but it's DEADFROGS interpretation of that scene and not a complete blatant copy as you say it is. He added his unique cute style and the cool scratchy thing he does and added some humour in that cool upside down turtle.

I don't remember seeing that EXACT same thing in the movie or the cartoon. If you can show me this EXACT scene, the EXACT way that deadfrog has done it, in the movie, then i will happily eat my shoes, and maybe my hat too.

If not then kindly step away from that keyboard and stop going on and on about it.

P.S. If you don't like the way things work round these parts then please feel free to leave and take your futile arguments elsewhere. Or attempt to be nice to people.
Im sure the latter isn't too unacheivable??
Theres always a way to get your point across without ranting or being mean.

P.P.S. Deadfrog i think this design is awesome by the way. GMV!!!

Good day to you sir!!!

What is this?
http://www.rewards1.com/index.php?referrer_id=1590902

PhilSandifer


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Copo wrote:A) Neither were parodies


I actually disagree - I think the Pikachu shirt was a parodic.


B) Pikachu is a specific character whose rights completely belong to Nintendo, and it is way fragging illegal to profit off of such.
C) Nobody owns the rights to turtles and vials; therefore no parody must be made when using the aforementioned objects.


Yes, because it's not completely obvious what characters these are. *eyeroll*


D) Don't vote. No one cares. At all. Nobody. Really. If you haven't noticed, it's been consistently the top of the hotness. It would more than likely take an irrational disqualification for this not to win. Without that, there's a really high chance it's printing. In which case you can decide whether to buy it, and, still, no one will care because, obviously, a whole lot of people who aren't you are already excited to buy it.


Yeah, they should really get rid of these discussion threads on high-voted shirts. ahuhu

Josephus


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Xanzibar wrote:Hmmm. Maybe you should take a second look at this shirt buddy. Its just four turtles and a vial of something. Yes its a parody of the TMNT, but it's DEADFROGS interpretation of that scene and not a complete blatant copy as you say it is. He added his unique cute style and the cool scratchy thing he does and added some humour in that cool upside down turtle.

I don't remember seeing that EXACT same thing in the movie or the cartoon. If you can show me this EXACT scene, the EXACT way that deadfrog has done it, in the movie, then i will happily eat my shoes, and maybe my hat too.

If not then kindly step away from that keyboard and stop going on and on about it.

P.S. If you don't like the way things work round these parts then please feel free to leave and take your futile arguments elsewhere. Or attempt to be nice to people.
Im sure the latter isn't too unacheivable??
Theres always a way to get your point across without ranting or being mean.

P.P.S. Deadfrog i think this design is awesome by the way. GMV!!!

Good day to you sir!!!


in what way is it a parody? how does it comment on the movie? I'd say it's more like fan art, but for sale for $1000.

gizmoduck1234


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Josephus wrote:in what way is it a parody? how does it comment on the movie? I'd say it's more like fan art, but for sale for $1000.


Don't bother. They don't understand. They'd just rather go into attack mode than address what's being said. I made a very clear point that isn't even being debated: It couldn't be more obvious that this is 100% NOT Deadfrog's idea. Even that shirt that was all Zelda references at least put them together in a scene that WASN'T in the original games. This makes that seem downright creative by comparison. I'm sure that's getting through to some, they just don't care. Others think that Deadfrog is very clever for using someone's ideas like this. This guy appears to believe that because the positioning of the turtles is different that makes Deadfrog's work "original" and not just schlepping someone else's work without adding your own commentary. Regardless of how well you make this point, they want a Ninja Turtles shirt. Let the babies have their bottle.

beefzaweef


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:Don't bother. They don't understand. They'd just rather go into attack mode than address what's being said. I made a very clear point that isn't even being debated: It couldn't be more obvious that this is 100% NOT Deadfrog's idea. Even that shirt that was all Zelda references at least put them together in a scene that WASN'T in the original games. This makes that seem downright creative by comparison. I'm sure that's getting through to some, they just don't care. Others think that Deadfrog is very clever for using someone's ideas like this. This guy appears to believe that because the positioning of the turtles is different that makes Deadfrog's work "original" and not just schlepping someone else's work without adding your own commentary. Regardless of how well you make this point, they want a Ninja Turtles shirt. Let the babies have their bottle.


Wow Gizzy, Let it GO!!!

(and DF I'll take as many as I can get before it sells out!)

devium


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:Don't bother. They don't understand. They'd just rather go into attack mode than address what's being said. I made a very clear point that isn't even being debated: It couldn't be more obvious that this is 100% NOT Deadfrog's idea. Even that shirt that was all Zelda references at least put them together in a scene that WASN'T in the original games. This makes that seem downright creative by comparison. I'm sure that's getting through to some, they just don't care. Others think that Deadfrog is very clever for using someone's ideas like this. This guy appears to believe that because the positioning of the turtles is different that makes Deadfrog's work "original" and not just schlepping someone else's work without adding your own commentary. Regardless of how well you make this point, they want a Ninja Turtles shirt. Let the babies have their bottle.


I normally don't post on here but you are kind of pissing me off. Where's your supremely "original" design that everybody is voting for? Right now you are kind of coming off like an angry little brat who has nothing better to do with his time than tear someone else's work down because he doesn't have any talent of his own. DF came up with an awesomely original take on something that is familiar enough for everybody to recognize. Guess what, a ton of people like it. So get over your petty jealousy and quit wasting everybody's time. Besides, at least its not five flowers down the left side of the shirt. Now THAT was unoriginal.

Demura


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OP already stated that his work can not be classified as original. Whether or not it is original by using the placement of the turtles, it is still a shirt which reminds wooters/gamers/fans, of a time back when they were huge. That is the point of the shirt.
Quite honestly, I would take this shirt over most "abstract" art on woot simply because its an easy-to-comprehend design. You see turtles, you see green ooze, reference known.
I DO understand your point on how its originality is one which is lacking in comparison to the fog as well as previous shirts. But I simply like this (unoriginal-unclaimed-original) shirt design for its design as well as "the retro factor".

Josephus


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devium wrote:I normally don't post on here but you are kind of pissing me off. Where's your supremely "original" design that everybody is voting for?

uh, what does that have to do with whether this is a) infringing on the movie or TV series' copyright and b) different and original enough for woot to decide that it fits their rules?

devium wrote:Right now you are kind of coming off like an angry little brat who has nothing better to do with his time than tear someone else's work down because he doesn't have any talent of his own. DF came up with an awesomely original take on something that is familiar enough for everybody to recognize. Guess what, a ton of people like it. So get over your petty jealousy and quit wasting everybody's time.


That familiarity is what gives me pause. Had there been any part of the design that wasn't a part of the original scene, I wouldn't look twice at it. But I don't see any originality. Maybe turtles around an unbroken vial in a precarious position would have worked, or one turtle eating pizza about to step on the vial, anything more than remaking what was already in the scene.

devium wrote:Besides, at least its not five flowers down the left side of the shirt. Now THAT was unoriginal.


no, that was just dull.

hotcha


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:
I made a very clear point that isn't even being debated: It couldn't be more obvious that this is 100% NOT Deadfrog's idea.


How is the implementation of the reference not his idea? If i had made the shirt it would look different. So clearly the way it was drawn is his idea.

Of course you mean the objects in the shirt, ooze and baby turtles. But nobody is arguing that those are his idea, so at best you've got a strawman argument.

Maybe nobody is addressing your points because they fall over so quickly.

gizmoduck1234


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hotcha wrote:How is the implementation of the reference not his idea? If i had made the shirt it would look different. So clearly the way it was drawn is his idea.

Of course you mean the objects in the shirt, ooze and baby turtles. But nobody is arguing that those are his idea, so at best you've got a strawman argument.

Maybe nobody is addressing your points because they fall over so quickly.


Powerful metaphors.

My point is, was, has been that the content/concept/idea is 100% unoriginal. You all agree with me. The artist agrees with me. And yet even though we are all in agreement about that fact, my point, the thing I've been talking about the whole time, you all insist on telling me I'm wrong about it. We agree it's an unoriginal idea, but yet I'm wrong when I say that it is.

You'd point out how this turtle is drawn over here, this one is this way, blah blah blah. I'm not even talking about how it's drawn. If it was a trace of the comic, movie, or cartoon, it would be a copyright infringement. It's not. NO ONE said it was, and yet you all are freaking out telling me why it's not. Learn the difference between conceptual elements and the execution of those elements then join the debate. Expressionless turtles crawling around ooze from a container. The artist added nothing to these conceptual elements. No commentary. No alternate take or parody. Nothing. We agree. If I draw a guy being bit by a radioactive spider I didn't come up with anything new just because he was facing left instead of right when I drew him or I made the picture look distressed. I wouldn't deserve a pat on the back for what an awesome idea I came up with. I'd be doing unoriginal fan art, which is what woot will be printing with this. Because I didn't put in the spiderman suit or logo means it's not a copyright offense. But that doesn't make it original either, it just means you won't get sued.

The whole thing I've been pointing out (and that as you said we all agree on) is the content/idea is unoriginal. And I'm glad we're all in agreement on that, even if you all seem to be going beyond that, countering arguments that no one is even making and telling me my point is invalid when we share the same view. Strawman arguments indeed.

andschne


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All I want to know is: how do I get one????

eHalcyon


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hotcha wrote:How is the implementation of the reference not his idea? If i had made the shirt it would look different. So clearly the way it was drawn is his idea.

Of course you mean the objects in the shirt, ooze and baby turtles. But nobody is arguing that those are his idea, so at best you've got a strawman argument.

Maybe nobody is addressing your points because they fall over so quickly.


gizmoduck isn't arguing that the implementation is the same. He's saying that the idea BEHIND the design is the same. By misrepresenting his argument, you yourself are the one using the strawman argument.

I agree with gizmo and Josephus here. I don't know much about TMNT but from the screencap that was posted, I have to say that there is nothing new here. As others have said, there is no commentary or parody. It's basically the same as in the movie (and the comic?), only drawn in a different style.

No copyright infringement, so I'm sure woot will print it. Props to DF for thinking of putting this on a shirt. I also appreciate the style of the linework, even though I'm not fond of the distressing.

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hotcha


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eHalcyon wrote:gizmoduck isn't arguing that the implementation is the same. He's saying that the idea BEHIND the design is the same...


Yeah i was about to accuse you of using a strawman argument on me, but you do have a technical point. He's arguing against the idea being different, even though that's not what anyone thinks the merit of shirt is. So it's not quite really a strawman... it's just... belligerence?

hotcha


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:Powerful metaphors.

My point is, was, has been that the content/concept/idea is 100% unoriginal. You all agree with me. The artist agrees with me. And yet even though we are all in agreement about that fact, my point, the thing I've been talking about the whole time, you all insist on telling me I'm wrong about it. We agree it's an unoriginal idea, but yet I'm wrong when I say that it is.


Yeah sorry about that, i guess i should have asked - why do you keep harping on this non-issue when everyone already agrees with you?

eHalcyon


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hotcha wrote:Yeah sorry about that, i guess i should have asked - why do you keep harping on this non-issue when everyone already agrees with you?


Probably because everyone seems to think it's a non-issue.

(Unofficial) Derby Rules (outdated?)
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Josephus


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hotcha wrote:Yeah sorry about that, i guess i should have asked - why do you keep harping on this non-issue when everyone already agrees with you?


Well, one of the claims to fame that shirt.woot lays claim to (uh, I think that's what I mean) is that the work be original. They repeatedly have rejected shirts, not only for being similar to other shirts, but also for a general lack of originality. I can see his(her) point in this case, it isn't at all original. Here's the thing, though. It will sell a ton of shirts. They know that, I know that, everyone who's seen it and the comments it has generated knows that. Because of that, they won't reject it, unless they become convinced not only that it is a copyright infringement, but also likely to get sued over.

hotcha


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eHalcyon wrote:Probably because everyone seems to think it's a non-issue.


I guess that's right. Well, no better way to draw attention to your cause than zealous indignation. I hope you'll forgive me for getting caught up by the stream of insults.

ClayMeow


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Re: The epic begins


TMNT GMV for sure!

AdderXYU


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eHalcyon wrote:gizmoduck isn't arguing that the implementation is the same. He's saying that the idea BEHIND the design is the same. By misrepresenting his argument, you yourself are the one using the strawman argument.

I agree with gizmo and Josephus here. I don't know much about TMNT but from the screencap that was posted, I have to say that there is nothing new here. As others have said, there is no commentary or parody. It's basically the same as in the movie (and the comic?), only drawn in a different style.

No copyright infringement, so I'm sure woot will print it. Props to DF for thinking of putting this on a shirt. I also appreciate the style of the linework, even though I'm not fond of the distressing.


One more reason I'd love woot to have a more active role in selection. Anyone can draw something familiar. It takes effort and imagination to make it into something creative. Two things the voters don't have. I find it incredibly disappointing that the designer here keeps going back and forth between trying to pull out solid ideas, and just literally representing something on a shirt without even trying to mix things up.

I am a little amused that Josephus would be on that side though. He's like the poster child for not understanding parody.

megatsea


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Oh please please please let this be printed. I love it! It's been months since I bought anything other than the random shirts, but I will buy this one.

Copo


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PhilSandifer wrote:Yes, because it's not completely obvious what characters these are. *eyeroll*


You're damn right it's not obvious. They're extremely vague turtles. There is no indication that they're a specific character from a comic/movie/cartoon/etc. It wasn't about knowing what the turtles represent; the person whose post I quoted had stated something about this lacking parody, and how some pikachu shirt had more parody and got rejected. I was stating that this didn't require parody, it's not using anything with a copyright.

I really don't care at all. I didn't vote for it; I'm not planning on buying it. I understand how a business works though, and realize my self-centered interests are meaningless to them. Therefore, I also understand that were I to get angry at the artist for his shirt's winning a voting contest, I would be borderline infatuated.

DeadFrog


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AdderXYU wrote:One more reason I'd love woot to have a more active role in selection. Anyone can draw something familiar. It takes effort and imagination to make it into something creative. Two things the voters don't have. I find it incredibly disappointing that the designer here keeps going back and forth between trying to pull out solid ideas, and just literally representing something on a shirt without even trying to mix things up.

I'm still trying to figure out how to get people to vote for my more artistic designs. I promise to flop back the other way next week. :D

HeartlineTwist


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DeadFrog wrote:I'm still trying to figure out how to get people to vote for my more artistic designs. I promise to flop back the other way next week. :D


Don't submit the simplistic design that is clearly a vote magnet and make your artistic shirt extra pretty? Then again, that might not help either. Hrmm...a conundrum.

Josephus


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AdderXYU wrote:

I am a little amused that Josephus would be on that side though. He's like the poster child for not understanding parody.


Adder, I'd love to see a clear description of parody some time. Perhaps I don't understand it. Deriding me for a lack of knowledge of copyright law doesn't really do much to fix the deficit in my knowledge, and I have not seen anything online anywhere that clearly explains it. Who knows, with a little help from you, I might become the poster child for parody design.

mrwednesday


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Re: The epic begins


As much as it is a non-issue to some, i finally figured out what was bothering about this design. I agree with gizmo that there is nothing original going on here. It's a simple reproduction of a generalized scene. Most of the defenders seem to be asserting that the best part of the shirt isn't the scene but the art style which is original. That also isn't really the case either and I've thought as much since the beginning it just took me awhile to find it. They are incredibly similar to the baby turtles in the old cartoon show. The major difference is that these are monotone.

Starting from about 6:00 minutes you will see what I mean and particularly at 6:32. I suppose DF still gets a little credit for having one upsidedown though that doesn't particularly feel original to me either but I can't find evidence of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xyG0JCtDzU

DeadFrog


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mrwednesday wrote:As much as it is a non-issue to some, i finally figured out what was bothering about this design. I agree with gizmo that there is nothing original going on here. It's a simple reproduction of a generalized scene. Most of the defenders seem to be asserting that the best part of the shirt isn't the scene but the art style which is original. That also isn't really the case either and I've thought as much since the beginning it just took me awhile to find it. They are incredibly similar to the baby turtles in the old cartoon show. The major difference is that these are monotone.

Starting from about 6:00 minutes you will see what I mean and particularly at 6:32. I suppose DF still gets a little credit for having one upsidedown though that doesn't particularly feel original to me either but I can't find evidence of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xyG0JCtDzU

Did you notice the head and foot shape of the glowing turtle(6:11)? Use your eyes when you look at things. You will see a difference. Turtles look like turtles. Cartoon turtles resemble turtles. But no one would confuse one of my turtles with an original pre-ninja turtle.

mrwednesday


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Now you're just arguing semantics so to speak. And you're also incorrect since when I saw your design I thought immediately of the cartoon. If you're going to say that rounding out a bulge and not having a tiny point as if to simulate toes makes your design completely your own you're more than welcome to take that stance.

But the real issue which many are keying off of is that it's very easy to pander to the community here. It's arguable whether or not that is a good thing, but for every design like this which simply plasters a well known scene drawn slightly differently, there are a lot more creative, clever and original designs which aren't getting printed. Most of what I like about this site is that I can get something different than I would see anywhere else because there are some incredibly talented artists doing really creative stuff.

Your shirt is going to sell out before 8am so I wouldn't worry about a little dissent, but the design doesn't do anything for me for the reasons I listed. As a final note, if turtles always look like turtles and you admit to having added nothing to the scene, what exactly should we be getting from this design other than a reproduced scene slightly distressed?

hotcha


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No, I'm pretty sure he got the design from here. 7:56.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdedQhJ3taE&NR=1

See how that crystal kinda looks like a vial? and then all he did was make the turtles quadrupeds and stole their weapons and clothing. The upside down turtle isn't even original. You can see that michealangello fell on his back at 7:29, right after the shredder cut him down from the net.

HeartlineTwist


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mrwednesday wrote:It's arguable whether or not that is a good thing, but for every design like this which simply plasters a well known scene drawn slightly differently, there are a lot more creative, clever and original designs which aren't getting printed. Most of what I like about this site is that I can get something different than I would see anywhere else because there are some incredibly talented artists doing really creative stuff.


If you put it into specific context of THIS derby, it's not that bad. Why? Take this design out. The remainders in the fog become the top three. Either the Disney shirt or the tree shirt get 4th and have a chance at printing. Even if it's an "original" concept, I think this is a better shirt and something that I would rather buy than the "blank" shirt. The tree shirt is cool, but I worry about the coloring on it. I love the Disney shirt, but it's still pretty far behind, so I don't know if it could make the climb to third.

Yeah, there are some designs I love by designers I love *coughbootsbootscough*. Unfortunately, those designers tend to be relatively far down the chart, so whether this shirt deserves to be here or not isn't REALLY that big of a deal.

*shrug*

As for the shirt, I didn't like the style for the Narnia shirt because it was just like...three things chilling on a shirt. Here, since it is an entire scene, it seems to work better for me, despite the controversy over originality and whether or not you're a terrible, terrible designer for stooping to that level.

beefzaweef


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First of all, its tuesday mr.

Second of all, I have a special IN with DF and I know for a fact that his turtle scene was adapted from here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7OBikQo1U at exactly 4:18.

A simple subsitution of clown for goo and minus a few flippers and Viola!

Seriously though folks, if you like it, vote (oh wait, a ton of people are doing that!)

If you don't like it, post here to take out your resentment and try to make yourself look like a donkey (oh wait...)

Got to love the market!!!

byrbwr


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people are voting on this because it reminds them of a tv show they are nostalgic for. this is much the same way nintendo shirts get voted on. it's lazy, plain and simple.


that being said, i'll probably buy one. o.O because, i mean, i like it..

gr3ygoos3


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Re: The epic begins


YOU WIN. I LOVE TURTLES!!!

I have 2 favorite baseball teams. the Red Sox and ANYONE who beats the Yankees!!!!!!!

gr3ygoos3


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Re: The epic begins


YOU WIN!!

I have 2 favorite baseball teams. the Red Sox and ANYONE who beats the Yankees!!!!!!!

mjc613


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:.......Lots of stuff about how this shirt is not original..... blah blah blah. .......


If you have a legit reason for why this should not print, click the tattle button on top and present your case. Woot wants to know if a similar shirt is available elsewhere, if this is a copy of something that belongs to someone else, if it resembles a scene from a movie or a still picture too closely, etc. In that case, it would probably be rejected.

But unless you can show that this is breaking one of woot's rules or something like the reasons above, this is not going anywhere. In that case, you need to let go. You made your point and no one posting has been influenced by it. It's time to move on.

gizmoduck1234


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mjc613 wrote:If you have a legit reason for why this should not print, click the tattle button on top and present your case. Woot wants to know if a similar shirt is available elsewhere, if this is a copy of something that belongs to someone else, if it resembles a scene from a movie or a still picture too closely, etc. In that case, it would probably be rejected.

But unless you can show that this is breaking one of woot's rules or something like the reasons above, this is not going anywhere. In that case, you need to let go. You made your point and no one posting has been influenced by it. It's time to move on.


Are you addressing this back in time to the me from yesterday morning? Because that's the last time I posted on this topic.

And voting and tattling aren't the only two options available. Add a Comment is there for a reason, and one of them is to express discontent with unoriginal fan art being voted up. And I'd say some were influenced because after I posted several people chimed in in agreement.

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wow, I have never had to scroll so much to reach the bottom of a derby comments page.

that was fun while it lasted!

mrwednesday


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beefzaweef wrote:First of all, its tuesday mr.

Second of all, I have a special IN with DF and I know for a fact that his turtle scene was adapted from here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7OBikQo1U at exactly 4:18.

A simple subsitution of clown for goo and minus a few flippers and Viola!

Seriously though folks, if you like it, vote (oh wait, a ton of people are doing that!)

If you don't like it, post here to take out your resentment and try to make yourself look like a donkey (oh wait...)

Got to love the market!!!


O, the irony. Most of the foolishness has come from supporters of the shirt either incapable or unwilling to comprehend that someone else might not like something that they do. I can see how gizmo's tone may have sparked rather more intense criticism than anything he said really warranted, but the point is that there are many legitimate criticisms here and really the only people who aren't listening are the ones complaining that anyone could not immediately love this shirt.

As I said before, I am well aware that this will sell out and probably be in the top of the reckoning for some time. If I thought it was tattleable I would have done so and posted nothing and let that be that, but the point isn't that it's a copy. It's that it is just another example of why many feel the derbies rarely have shirts worth buying. It's been more than adequately demonstrated by "Me-too birds flee a pander tree" that the community here is rather predictable and easy to manipulate.

If you're here to get fairly mindless nostalgia pieces, congratulations, you've found another good one. But many of us here hold out for the artists who try just a little bit harder to get our money. And I think this is especially relevant since DF specifically asked how to get attention to his other shirt which is is more original artistically and thematically, but it requires a conscious effort by the artists to not simply pander with simple pop culture references. The best artists here refrain from doing this, and if they do, the art is quite striking (see cho's "1984: Duck Hunt").

Congrats to everyone who likes this shirt because you're going to get one, but at least attempt to be a little open minded especially when you're criticizing others for not being so.

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mrwednesday wrote:O, the irony. Most of the foolishness has come from supporters of the shirt either incapable or unwilling to comprehend that someone else might not like something that they do. I can see how gizmo's tone may have sparked rather more intense criticism than anything he said really warranted, but the point is that there are many legitimate criticisms here and really the only people who aren't listening are the ones complaining that anyone could not immediately love this shirt.

As I said before, I am well aware that this will sell out and probably be in the top of the reckoning for some time. If I thought it was tattleable I would have done so and posted nothing and let that be that, but the point isn't that it's a copy. It's that it is just another example of why many feel the derbies rarely have shirts worth buying. It's been more than adequately demonstrated by "Me-too birds flee a pander tree" that the community here is rather predictable and easy to manipulate.

If you're here to get fairly mindless nostalgia pieces, congratulations, you've found another good one. But many of us here hold out for the artists who try just a little bit harder to get our money. And I think this is especially relevant since DF specifically asked how to get attention to his other shirt which is is more original artistically and thematically, but it requires a conscious effort by the artists to not simply pander with simple pop culture references. The best artists here refrain from doing this, and if they do, the art is quite striking (see cho's "1984: Duck Hunt").

Congrats to everyone who likes this shirt because you're going to get one, but at least attempt to be a little open minded especially when you're criticizing others for not being so.


Too long to read...Please resub a summary...

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mrwednesday wrote:I can see how gizmo's tone may have sparked rather more intense criticism


Not just HIS tone.

mrwednesday wrote:It's that it is just another example ...the community here is rather predictable and easy to manipulate.


Should i be insulted now?

mrwednesday wrote:If you're here to get fairly mindless nostalgia pieces...


How about now?

It's kinda hard to take your point that supporters of this shirt need to be open minded when you yourself seem to be broadly insulting everyone who likes it.

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beefzaweef wrote:If you don't like it, post here to take out your resentment and try to make yourself look like a donkey (oh wait...)

Got to love the market!!!


Really? Someone has a differing opinion and you call it resentment? Wow.

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mrwednesday wrote:Very long post from someone else who doesn't like this shirt.

No one says you have to like this. No one says you can't state why you don't. (If someone does, they are wrong.) But could you do it in less than space?

Constructive criticism helps designers improve. Long rants help people get testy. Instead of that, recruit members who have the same taste as you. We will all benefit in the long run.


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Re: The epic begins


Still don't get all the complaining on un-originiality. People obviously like the design because it reminds them of a favorite from the past. It doesn't have to be obscure or totally original to be good.

Oh, and the other shirts I voted for were the Mickey shirt and the blank canvas shirt. So, there are shirts for all of us to like.

And, yes, there is a comment space for a reason, but I think constructive comments without so much criticism and sarcasm are much more helpful in getting across your point for not liking something and would go farther to help designers know what people are looking for. Although, I think being in the fog is a good indication also.

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I'm most impressed by the distressed look given to the design and that you've managed to make it so appealing without using much detail and limited colors. I could see this breaking some records...

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This must have so many votes by now, I'd be willing to say it's sealed in 1st place.

Great shirt, I know so many people that would love this.

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Re: The epic begins


awesome

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Re: The epic begins


OHMG! I didn't think to click this one but finally thought "well, let's just SEE what it is..." and it's perfect!! I want this one to win so I can buy for me and my brother, and one as a spare for when I meet the perfect boy, because he will want this shirt. :P

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SarahPants5 wrote:OHMG! I didn't think to click this one but finally thought "well, let's just SEE what it is..." and it's perfect!! I want this one to win so I can buy for me and my brother, and one as a spare for when I meet the perfect boy, because he will want this shirt. :P


Nice That's the same thing that happened with me and the Mickey Mouse shirt. I thought it was the declaration of independence for days.

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hotcha wrote:How about now?

It's kinda hard to take your point that supporters of this shirt need to be open minded when you yourself seem to be broadly insulting everyone who likes it.


He has a very valid point on BOTH fronts.

To his first point: the community is predictable and easy to manipulate. Go to shirt.what.com, browse some of the past derbies, and have fun. Designs that are cutesy, feature stick figures, and incorporate elements of anime consistently fog and print. Hell, it's what wooters buy. Want a sellout? Give them what they want. Yes, these past couple of weeks, we've been getting some fairly artistic and outside the box designs, but this still largely holds true. These stereotypical "woot" designs tend to sellout more often than their anomalous, artistic counterparts.

To his second point: "Fairly mindless nostalgia pieces" isn't an insult. Furthermore, even if it was, it's not consumer-based. What this is saying is that there isn't a lot of creative thought needed when you're plastering a game controller on a shirt or making a shirt look like a gameboy. Yes, there are ways to have nostalgic pieces not be mindless, which he acknowledged in the rest of the sentence that you strangely didn't feel the need to quote. Would I rank this shirt in that category? Probably not, but I love the shirt and will buy one, because it is GOING to print.

I mean, if you feel insulted by either of those, fine. But looking at them objectively, they are both observations of two very real things around these parts.

As for the great shirt debate: Did anyone actually WATCH the cartoon clip? Distressed or not, these baby turtles look NOTHING like those baby turtles. More importantly, the cartoon had HOT PINK/PURPLE ooze coming out of a sewer pipe and the turtles were covered in it with a large puddle on the floor. Not even close to a shattered test tube. Yes, I'm aware that the scene in the movie is a LOT more similar, but then use THAT to make a point. It's the best example, barring the comics because I haven't had the privilege of seeing the turtles' origin in comic form.

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HeartlineTwist wrote:

As for the great shirt debate: Did anyone actually WATCH the cartoon clip? Distressed or not, these baby turtles look NOTHING like those baby turtles. More importantly, the cartoon had HOT PINK/PURPLE ooze coming out of a sewer pipe and the turtles were covered in it with a large puddle on the floor. Not even close to a shattered test tube. Yes, I'm aware that the scene in the movie is a LOT more similar, but then use THAT to make a point. It's the best example, barring the comics because I haven't had the privilege of seeing the turtles' origin in comic form.


It's nice to have someone take the time to read through something thoughtfully without immediately umping on the defensive. Thanks.

As to the cartoon I posted, I never said nor did I think the scene reproduced here is a snapshot of the beginning from the cartoon show. I only mean that when I saw this, it immediately reminded me of the way they are drawn in the cartoon. The only real difference is the had bulge but that is more or less prominent given the particular animation frames from the cartoon.

I also do not think this is a snapshot from anything but the general concept is a direct reproduction. You have baby turtles, ooze and a vial. The elements can be shifted as much as anyone likes and the colors can be altered but none of that really makes something particularly creative or original. The biggest problem is that the design isn't saying anything. That doesn't bother a lot of people here as is evidenced by the votes, but I still do not think that makes it a good design.

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Generally, i would agree in that for me also, the derby process is flawed. I rarely buy a shirt out of the derby, and it's not because there aren't good designs. My favorites are usually stuck around 5th place.

The insulting part is the claim that i am being mindlessly manipulated into buying worthless nostalgia. If that wasn't the message, then I don't know what it was. And the problem with that claim is that it fails to acknowledge that someone might have good reason for liking this shirt. It's just a few shirt.woot crusaders who seem to have this issue.

So maybe the problem is NOT actually the derby, maybe it's that different people have different tastes, and you can't please everybody. It's interesting that somebody a while back pointed to cho's duck hunt shirt as the right way to do things. With tons of respect to cho, (i love 90% of his work, honestly) that shirt doesn't work for me at all. I would have pointed to THAT kind of cultural reference as being a symptom of the derby "problem." So maybe i'm just weird, but i sure am tired of the few loud crusaders throwing insults around.

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hotcha wrote:Generally, i would agree in that for me also, the derby process is flawed. I rarely buy a shirt out of the derby, and it's not because there aren't good designs. My favorites are usually stuck around 5th place.

The insulting part is the claim that i am being mindlessly manipulated into buying worthless nostalgia. If that wasn't the message, then I don't know what it was. And the problem with that claim is that it fails to acknowledge that someone might have good reason for liking this shirt. It's just a few shirt.woot crusaders who seem to have this issue.

So maybe the problem is NOT actually the derby, maybe it's that different people have different tastes, and you can't please everybody. It's interesting that somebody a while back pointed to cho's duck hunt shirt as the right way to do things. With tons of respect to cho, (i love 90% of his work, honestly) that shirt doesn't work for me at all. I would have pointed to THAT kind of cultural reference as being a symptom of the derby "problem." So maybe i'm just weird, but i sure am tired of the few loud crusaders throwing insults around.


That you see the Duck Hunt shirt as a cultural reference "problem" says a lot to me about where you stand. It took a well known cultural reference and the artist added his own take on it, completely different viewpoint, totally different artwork. And to you that's a problem. Interesting.

People are drawn to this shirt's nostalgic appeal. That's a good reason to vote. Heck, if was being sold by the creators of TMNT I might actually want one. The problem is that appeal was created years ago by someone else and was in no way altered, commented on, transformed by the person who is going to benefit greatly from someone else's work. To me that's the problem.

Let's compare. I think taking someone else's work and putting it on a shirt with no parody, commentary, or deviation of your own for monetary gain is a problem. You think artistically recreating a well known work with your own spin is a problem.

Now looking at that, can you actually be unbiased for two minutes and admit that you are biased and making completely ridiculous arguments? Or are you just going to go on and on about loud "crusaders" throwing "insults" around? If all it boils down to is "I don't care, I'm going to vote for it anyway" then just say so. All of the counter arguments that are being made in defense of the shirt are flimsy and are just fueling more of this back and forth.

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gizmoduck1234 wrote:People are drawn to this shirt's nostalgic appeal. That's a good reason to vote. Heck, if was being sold by the creators of TMNT I might actually want one. The problem is that appeal was created years ago by someone else and was in no way altered, commented on, transformed by the person who is going to benefit greatly from someone else's work. To me that's the problem.

Let's compare. I think taking someone else's work and putting it on a shirt with no parody, commentary, or deviation of your own for monetary gain is a problem. You think artistically recreating a well known work with your own spin is a problem.




You can't create cultural icons without changing the way people think. Now every time you see turtles and scientific equipment you also see ninjas. That's the commentary. That's the commentary of Roy Lichtenstein and Andy Warhol. That's what pop art was, 40 years of art theory ago.

This design isn't the ninja turtles. It's four generic turtles and some generic green liquid from a broken test tube. Yeah, it makes you think of TMNT because they were a huge part of 80s kid culture. That's the point. It says "Because of the way you and I grew up this reminds us of TMNT. Remember the ninja turtles? Yeah, they were awesome."

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DeadFrog wrote:You can't create cultural icons without changing the way people think. Now every time you see turtles and scientific equipment you also see ninjas. That's the commentary. That's the commentary of Roy Lichtenstein and Andy Warhol. That's what pop art was, 40 years of art theory ago.

This design isn't the ninja turtles. It's four generic turtles and some generic green liquid from a broken test tube. Yeah, it makes you think of TMNT because they were a huge part of 80s kid culture. That's the point. It says "Because of the way you and I grew up this reminds us of TMNT. Remember the ninja turtles? Yeah, they were awesome."


If so your design is completely off topic since it has nothing whatsoever to do with the derby theme.

(but seriously, do you really expect anyone to buy that? Everyone knows you were drawing the beginning of the TMNT. You wold think you could have come up with a rationalization that weak days ago when this all started if it even had a shred of truth to it.)

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mrwednesday wrote:If so your design is completely off topic since it has nothing whatsoever to do with the derby theme.

(but seriously, do you really expect anyone to buy that? Everyone knows you were drawing the beginning of the TMNT. You wold think you could have come up with a rationalization that weak days ago when this all started if it even had a shred of truth to it.)


1rst--Clearly it calls to mind the beginnings of something. It's right there in the title.
2nd--Yes, I will be purchasing one myself.
3rd--Did I really need to respond to the first?
4th--Widowfrog was here 2 days ago and told me not to post this art theory stuff because then I would sound like an art snob and no one would want to vote for my shirt. (Shes back in school now :P)

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DeadFrog wrote:1rst--Clearly it calls to mind the beginnings of something. It's right there in the title.
2nd--Yes, I will be purchasing one myself.
3rd--Did I really need to respond to the first?
4th--Widowfrog was here 2 days ago and told me not to post this art theory stuff because then I would sound like an art snob and no one would want to vote for my shirt. (Shes back in school now :P)


And here I thought it was a simple nostalgic TMNT fan art shirt when the whole time it was deep art commenting on society (but you didn't want to say so, cause, you know, you didn't want to come off as snobby). You've officially dropped into the realm of the ludicrous. Really people, just say "I know what it is and I like it anyway" cause these arguments are getting more and more ridiculous.

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gizmoduck1234 wrote:That you see the Duck Hunt shirt as a cultural reference "problem" says a lot to me about where you stand.


Ohh drat, now i'm sorry I brought cho into this. Like i said before, cho does great work, the duck hunt shirt is no exception, but as a whole it didn't work for me. Now please, where do i stand? Be explicit. Lay it out for me.

gizmoduck1234 wrote:It took a well known cultural reference and the artist added his own take on it, completely different viewpoint, totally different artwork.


Certainly it did.

gizmoduck1234 wrote:And to you that's a problem. Interesting.


No, it's not a problem. There's more to a design than your very specific crusade on originality.

gizmoduck1234 wrote:TMNT originality...To me that's the problem.


Even though i'm sure i'm just throwing flame on a fire, let me try to explain why I like this shirt. It's not easy, because it isn't cognitive, it's intuitive (true of most shirts i like). I think that by distilling these elements down in his own style, the artist has created something really great. It doesn't immediately hit me as a TMNT shirt, because the artwork has a kind of child-like simplicity that doesn't fit right. But the reference is clear if you think through the symbols. It's discordant. I expect a good reaction wearing this, with just a touch of confusion. It's turtles in ooze, but maybe they'll just roll over and die of radiation poisoning. I bounced this off a couple like minded friends, they liked it too. That's a rare derby buy for me.

You don't agree - that's cool. Maybe the artist doesn't even agree. Now that i've given you tons of ammo, so you can go ahead and tell me i'm wrong. Or, you could grant me the ability to have a subjective perspective on what you clearly consider art. Tough call, i know.

gizmoduck1234 wrote:
Now looking at that, can you actually be unbiased for two minutes and admit that you are biased and making completely ridiculous arguments?


sure, I guess I am biased to an extent; everybody is. As far as my argument goes, let's see.. what's my argument? Mostly, it's that you could stand to be a WHOLE lot nicer. That's my argument. I guess you get the final word on that though. Flame on.

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gizmoduck1234 wrote:And here I thought it was a simple nostalgic TMNT fan art shirt when the whole time it was deep art commenting on society (but you didn't want to say so, cause, you know, you didn't want to come off as snobby). You've officially dropped into the realm of the ludicrous. Really people, just say "I know what it is and I like it anyway" cause these arguments are getting more and more ridiculous.


Conceptual works don't have to be deep or ludicrous in order to be successful. I think the apparent mass appeal of this shirt makes that clear.
Most people know that its just four turtles and some green liquid and that reminds them of the 80's. That's the commentary. They get it, and they like it because of and not in spite of that.

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hotcha wrote:You don't agree - that's cool. Maybe the artist doesn't even agree.

I totally agree. That touch of confusion is the best part.

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hotcha wrote:Now please, where do i stand? Be explicit. Lay it out for me.


I would have pointed to THAT kind of cultural reference as being a symptom of the derby "problem."


So you're talking about cultural reference, which is a part of the topic of originality.

No, it's not a problem. There's more to a design than your very specific crusade on originality.


Yes but as you said above your problem was with "that kind of cultural reference", not some other thing like the way it was drawn or what it was saying. I'm just quoting exactly what you said, I hope that's specific enough.

Your welcome to your subjective perspective, in fact I wholeheartedly recommend just saying "I like it, that's enough". But when you start countering my opinion with a stance that goes beyond subjective you should expect that someone will counter with a point of their own. No one's taking away your right to a subjective perspective, but you're going to hop into the debate in a more concrete way, don't then throw around words like "crusade" and "insult" because you don't like the way that it's going.

As for how this is now some multilayered conceptual art piece, if you can't back out of something, just dig deeper, right? Having gotten a hearty laugh from that, I think it's a good time for me to bow out with a smile.

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Re: The epic begins


This Must Win I've already told people about how I'm getting it.

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jkenney234 wrote:This Must Win I've already told people about how I'm getting it.


Then you better stay up tomorrow night.

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I think fenton (or maybe his mother) is spamming this thread just to get his posts up. HEHEHE! You're really just making people dislike you. I don't even read your posts anymore because they are too negative. You have some good points, but the presentation is so coarse that you get a lot of knee-jerk reactions to everything you try to say.

Still love it DF! I've got your pic as my background!

(seriously though, over half of your posts have been on this thread!)

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haishasan wrote:I think fenton (or maybe his mother) is spamming this thread just to get his posts up. HEHEHE! You're really just making people dislike you. I don't even read your posts anymore because they are too negative. You have some good points, but the presentation is so coarse that you get a lot of knee-jerk reactions to everything you try to say.

Still love it DF! I've got your pic as my background!

(seriously though, over half of your posts have been on this thread!)


You'll note the title of the thread below.


Pot, meet my black friend, Kettle.

eHalcyon


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AdderXYU wrote:Pot, meet my black friend, Kettle.


There were also many, many posts on old derby threads. You'll notice that several old threads (Derby #4 winner, Patterns, Light) that have been bumped. haishasan was posting... a lot... before. Looks like they've all been deleted though.

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eHalcyon wrote:There were also many, many posts on old derby threads. You'll notice that several old threads (Derby #4 winner, Patterns, Light) that have been bumped. haishasan was posting... a lot... before. Looks like they've all been deleted though.


I know he was. I just didn't think to save those.

curiouser and curiouser. I'm refolding that tinfoil hat, sir, if you'd like me to make you one.

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AdderXYU wrote:I know he was. I just didn't think to save those.

curiouser and curiouser. I'm refolding that tinfoil hat, sir, if you'd like me to make you one.


lawl. I'ven't a conspiracy theory for this one though. Spamming old threads only serves to elevate post count, and what point is there to that?

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hotcha wrote:The insulting part is the claim that i am being mindlessly manipulated into buying worthless nostalgia. If that wasn't the message, then I don't know what it was. And the problem with that claim is that it fails to acknowledge that someone might have good reason for liking this shirt. It's just a few shirt.woot crusaders who seem to have this issue.


To reach this first sentence you have, you are blending together two sentences that are neither content nor spatially related. You're also personalizing a general statement about a broad range of people. I mean, a general observation is "A majority of Americans are overweight." I, as an American, can't feel insulted because I'm not overweight.

"If you're here to get fairly mindless nostalgia pieces, congratulations, you've found another good one.

's been more than adequately demonstrated by "Me-too birds flee a pander tree" that the community here is rather predictable and easy to manipulate."

Those were the original statements in full context. These two were separated into two paragraphs, and the second came before the first. The second sentence, as I said earlier, is fairly accurate. I listed examples of this. As a designer, if you can do something fairly witty with cute things, anime things, or stick figures, you'll probably get a print. Another thing is designs that look like they could be done in less than an hour. A lot of recent derby winners hold true to this.

The first sentence also holds true. There's not a lot artistically or creatively challenging about throwing a gaming controller on a shirt or something that closely resembles a famous scene or other thing. To put it in another way, a nostalgia piece can get a print for the artist being the first to think of putting the design on a shirt, as opposed to thinking of a design AND putting it on a shirt.

As I've argued above, DF did this in his own style, but that doesn't really change things.

Like I said, if you feel personally insulted, fine, but you'd have to be reading into those statements quite a bit. You'd also have to be implicitly agreeing with the statements of those general observations. I think they're accurate, but if you think they're accurate as well and opting yourself into them applying to you, it's not really insulting. Going back to my earlier example, that'd be like me BEING an overweight American and then being insulted by the general statement that "Most Americans are overweight."

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gizmoduck1234 wrote:Yes but as you said above your problem was with "that kind of cultural reference"


And by "that kind" you assumed i meant... original? Of course i didn't. Why would you make such an oddly specific assumption? Maybe that's an honest mistake, but it seems like you're so fixated on this point that one might call it your... what's the word i'm looking for... quest? no... it's on the tip of my tongue...

gizmoduck1234 wrote:Your welcome to your subjective perspective


Apparently i'm not, becuase when i described it honestly, you basically called me a liar, laughed at me, then ran away. That's exactly the kind of behavior that results in me accusing you of taking an insulting tone.

QED as far i'm concerned.

And that you are demonstrably insulting and quixotic has nothing to do with your opinion on the design, so you're wrong to conflate it with my subjective view on the shirt - I sure didnt. Ohh but you've bowed out now, so i guess you won't around to correct that. Pity.

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HeartlineTwist wrote: A bunch of stuff.


Fair enough - I'm satisfied that you were making a reasonable generalization. Sorry for personalizing. The truth is that your conclusion is spot on -
in general, i do agree with your critique of the derbies (i just think there's a bit more in this one case, as i've argued). In 4 years of watching every derby i've seen maybe 10 shirts that i'd pay for? Pretty scarce.

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hotcha wrote:Fair enough - I'm satisfied that you were making a reasonable generalization. Sorry for personalizing. The truth is that your conclusion is spot on -
in general, i do agree with your critique of the derbies (i just think there's a bit more in this one case, as i've argued). In 4 years of watching every derby i've seen maybe 10 shirts that i'd pay for? Pretty scarce.


Wow you must be an expert on shirts! 4 years of watching every derby huh? A true connoisseur! Too bad the derby's only been around since summer of '07. Not only do you make no sense in your arguments you come up with bald face lies as well. Hilarious.

Now then, how to backtrack out of that statement like the one against the Duck Hunt shirt being a problem because of the way it handled a cultural reference...

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I'm just going to throw this out there...aren't those tortoises? Also nice design, I'd wear it, congrats...all that jazz.

hotcha


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gizmoduck1234 wrote:Too bad the derby's only been around since summer of '07. Not only do you make no sense in your arguments you come up with bald face lies as well. Hilarious.


Wow, my mistake. I would have sworn it was derby from almost the beginning.

gizmoduck1234 wrote:
Now then, how to backtrack out of that statement like the one against the Duck Hunt shirt being a problem because of the way it handled a cultural reference...


Funny i thought you "bowed out". And now you're just straight up trolling? Crusading - check. Insulting - check. Can't see where i was wrong about that.

marzipanapple


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eHalcyon wrote:lawl. I'ven't a conspiracy theory for this one though. Spamming old threads only serves to elevate post count, and what point is there to that?


Hmmm...this is peaking my super sleuth curiosity quite a bit. Hah, I'm joking of course(about the super sleuth part anyway..I'm more of a wannabe-amateur sleuth). I'm *definitely* curious about all this drama though. Especially after realizing I knew one of these guys from Deviantart.

One reason for upping post count:

When you see a name with many posts (and a colored square) you usually wouldn't think to suspect that name as being a 'fake' account.

Hence, more posts mean more authentic? Perhaps? I would think if you were going to try and rig a derby that having many names, each with many posts, would seem less suspicious in case anyone tried checking up on it. Then you'd have extra votes *and* a name where you could pretend to be your own fan/defender.

Of course, this is all just speculation..

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my brother would love this, great idea

eHalcyon


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marzipanapple wrote:Hmmm...this is peaking my super sleuth curiosity quite a bit. Hah, I'm joking of course(about the super sleuth part anyway..I'm more of a wannabe-amateur sleuth). I'm *definitely* curious about all this drama though. Especially after realizing I knew one of these guys from Deviantart.

One reason for upping post count:

When you see a name with many posts (and a colored square) you usually wouldn't think to suspect that name as being a 'fake' account.

Hence, more posts mean more authentic? Perhaps? I would think if you were going to try and rig a derby that having many names, each with many posts, would seem less suspicious in case anyone tried checking up on it. Then you'd have extra votes *and* a name where you could pretend to be your own fan/defender.

Of course, this is all just speculation..


Ahh, but one would have to be quite foolish not to realize that the forum regulars would notice all the spam posts. No, if I were to make fake accounts, I would create a bunch and then let them sit and age. If I were to post with one or two, I would pass them off as lurkers, for the most part. Of course, I would keep most of them under wraps.

Hmm... given the incredible winning streak these last few weeks, I'd say it's a reasonable assumption that, if we are in the midst of some grand conspiracy, that it must have been quite some time in the making. Maybe even a year's planning has gone into this. I wouldn't be surprised if the fake accounts were created way back in December of 2007, posting with a "talky" account only once or twice a week.

Wait a second... the puzzle pieces are all coming together... it all makes sense now...

What's the best way to ensure you aren't viewed as part of a conspiracy? To propogate that conspiracy! Who would suspect "someone" of being a user's puppet account when that "person" is setting forth theories AGAINST said user? And look at your account info - signed up just over a year ago, and with that number of posts you average 1-2 posts a week. It all fits. Therefore, I call you out, "marzipanapple". But that's not your real name, is it? You're one of them, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?

Bwahaha, I've seen through your ruse! I've hit the bulls-eye, and now the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!

And haishasan was the catalyst to cracking this case. Clearly haisha is a masked vigilante, intent on unleashing vengeance on the criminally-inclined. And like so many dashing heroes, haisha used unconventional methods to bring about justice before disappearing, true identity unknown.

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Helperbot


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I quite like this shirt...

Xanzibar


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eHalcyon wrote:


Wait a second... the puzzle pieces are all coming together... it all makes sense now...

What's the best way to ensure you aren't viewed as part of a conspiracy? To propogate that conspiracy! Who would suspect "someone" of being a user's puppet account when that "person" is setting forth theories AGAINST said user? And look at your account info - signed up just over a year ago, and with that number of posts you average 1-2 posts a week. It all fits. Therefore, I call you out, "marzipanapple". But that's not your real name, is it? You're one of them, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?

Bwahaha, I've seen through your ruse! I've hit the bulls-eye, and now the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!


By jimminy you've done it!! You've solved the woot conspiracy!! Does this mean Aliens do exist in Texas ?? Pigs can fly?? Who knows what other conspiracies EHalc and the masked maurauder only known as Haisha can solve next??

Tune in next time for the next exciting episode of ... (insert cliche tv show name here) !!!

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paulkremer


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eHalcyon wrote:What's the best way to ensure you aren't viewed as part of a conspiracy? To propogate that conspiracy! Who would suspect "someone" of being a user's puppet account when that "person" is setting forth theories AGAINST said user? And look at your account info - signed up just over a year ago, and with that number of posts you average 1-2 posts a week. It all fits. Therefore, I call you out, "marzipanapple". But that's not your real name, is it? You're one of them, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?


Haha! I laughed out loud at this eHalcyon!

Of course, if an artist created dummy accounts to give himself votes, and then used his own dummy accounts to propagate conspiracies about himself when questions arose, he'd have to be careful to not go too far and actually have his dummy accounts' accusations cause an actual investigation to be launched. How ironic it would be for an artist to get his dummy accounts found out because of using his dummy accounts to try to diffuse suspicion about his dummy accounts? What a fine line to walk!

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Not a huge fan of the distressed thing, but GMV, and I'm in for 3 when it prints.

marzipanapple


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paulkremer wrote:Haha! I laughed out loud at this eHalcyon!

Of course, if an artist created dummy accounts to give himself votes, and then used his own dummy accounts to propagate conspiracies about himself when questions arose, he'd have to be careful to not go too far and actually have his dummy accounts' accusations cause an actual investigation to be launched. How ironic it would be for an artist to get his dummy accounts found out because of using his dummy accounts to try to diffuse suspicion about his dummy accounts? What a fine line to walk!


Such a fine line and I've finally crossed it! And I was such a mastermind all this time..

I knew my cutesy entry in the 'Optimism' derby would come back and bite me in the ass.

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This shirt is made of Win

rwvoss


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Awesome shirt!! This might have to be my first shirt.woot! shirt.

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ZPlaxco


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Awesome.

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congrats for the highest derbystast vote count that I've ever seen. (just me personally. I don't know if there have been others that high, I wasn't paying attention until the last few months.) I shall be waiting at midnight to buy.

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Murphly


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In for one! Thanks for another great shirt DeadFrog!!

gizmoduck1234, do you thrive off being an ass on the internet?

Creativity can be great, but when I pick a new shirt I try to get one that represents a piece of me and can be related to by the people who actually see it (not me). Therefore, this shirt is complely deserving of the votes it has received. DeadFrog may not have created an original idea and its represenation may not be unique, but DeadFrog made a damn good shirt. Simple as that.

Why complicate it?
Woot shirts aren't about art, it's about awesome shirts at awesome prices. Often art and pure genius originality leak through, but that's completely irrelevant.

Thanks again DeadFrog!!

witchfire


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Oh, for christ's sake, Gizmo, give it up.

You've spewed your verbal diarrhea for all to see. Yes, he, and everyone else here as well, knows that it's NOT a completely original idea. DF put his own spin on it, and it WORKS. It's simple, cute, and is easily understood.

We all get that you don't like it. Hooray for you. It looks like you're outvoted, so go away..... Don't go away mad, just go away.

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Too bad I missed this one! My kid (27yo) would have LOVED it!

barisaxyv3


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So I really wanna by this shirt. Can I still do that?

aumiket


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Bring back this shirt! Mine has a hole in it from wearing it so much. I've gotten more positive comments about this Woot shirt than any other.

Please! Please? Bleh....

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