Derby #77: Alternate History
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Columbus discovers seven stranded castaways.

Columbus discovers seven stranded castaways.
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I've been really diggin your stuff lately. Keep it up!


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I smiled to see an Edgar entry and then practically guffawed. Nice work. Again.

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great concept, I love the characters!


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I simply must have this shirt, even if it doesn't win (which I find highly unlikely).

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Winner. This contest was made for you, great job.

omnitarian


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Let's hope this stays in the fog.

heartluce


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I love how Columbus is looking at the map as if to say W T f... Of course, now I have that song stuck in my head. "Now sit right back and you'll hear a tale..." I really would love this shirt!

nbrosas


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Oh man, this is awesome. I'm hoping this one stays fogged the entire time.

Jestik


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oh, this is perfect! Edgar, fantastic idea and execution. I'd love to buy this and wear it proudly!

rocknsupergurl83


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Love it! I just bought Gilligan's Island: The Complete Series on DVD about a month ago. The style is very cute and the colors are great!

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Edgar, I think you finally got thru to the masses. Hip Hip Hooray!!!

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Awesome! I love that show! Although Benjamin and Hugo aren't really friends, so he probably wouldn't be leaning on Hugo like that. Nice likenesses, though! I see Kate and Jack and Claire and....ummm wait a minute. ;)

byrbwr


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you've done it again, edgar. voted--obviously.

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Awesome shirt... the characters remind of the Little People toys.... GMV

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I'm going to have to remember to look at this entry the next time I need to draw people.

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hahaha! Lovely.. (or maybe I should say, Lovey)

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Not to be a stickler, but I thought this was alternate history? Gilligans Island, a mediocre TV show, did not air in the 1400's. I do like the concept though, and if this shirt design is valid then this opens up a lot of different ideas. Can Woot confirm this for us?

AdderXYU


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vykarius wrote:Not to be a stickler, but I thought this was alternate history? Gilligans Island, a mediocre TV show, did not air in the 1400's. I do like the concept though, and if this shirt design is valid then this opens up a lot of different ideas. Can Woot confirm this for us?


"Gilligans Island, a mediocre TV show, did not air in the 1400's."

That is alternate, then.

The fact that Columbus, an actual historical figure, is involved clinches the topicality. It could be columbus setting sail last century instead of in 1492. It could be the show existing in 1492. It could be the show being based off a true story Columbus told. There is history involved outside of the show itself.

Josephus


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AdderXYU wrote:"Gilligans Island, a mediocre TV show, did not air in the 1400's."

That is alternate, then.

The fact that Columbus, an actual historical figure, is involved clinches the topicality. It could be columbus setting sail last century instead of in 1492. It could be the show existing in 1492. It could be the show being based off a true story Columbus told. There is history involved outside of the show itself.


If it has TV characters in it, then it is no more on topic than if it had movie characters in it. Who's to say that my Indiana Jones-like design wasn't actually based on a real archaeologist in some alternate world? Is there really any credible difference?

AdderXYU


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Josephus wrote:If it has TV characters in it, then it is no more on topic than if it had movie characters in it. Who's to say that my Indiana Jones-like design wasn't actually based on a real archaeologist in some alternate world? Is there really any credible difference?


Seeing as how you have proven time and again to not know parody from a ham sandwich, your opinion on the topic is negligible.

The difference is that YOU are either making up an entire scenario (some important scientist escapes a boulder in real life) or else you are just reimagining a movie. In Edgar's case, there is a REAL EVENT happening. Columbus sails the sea and lands in the west indies. Of course he didn't really meet the cast of gilligan's island, just like the mayflower didn't really hit an iceberg and dinosaurs didn't really live until modern times, but there is real history being altered. You, and many others, are using NOTHING that EVER existed in real life... that is the difference.

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oh, this is so cute! I love it!

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Good Job Ed. I like how you simplify forms for cartoon figures.

Copo


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AdderXYU wrote:Seeing as how you have proven time and again to not know parody from a ham sandwich, your opinion on the topic is negligible.

The difference is that YOU are either making up an entire scenario (some important scientist escapes a boulder in real life) or else you are just reimagining a movie. In Edgar's case, there is a REAL EVENT happening. Columbus sails the sea and lands in the west indies. Of course he didn't really meet the cast of gilligan's island, just like the mayflower didn't really hit an iceberg and dinosaurs didn't really live until modern times, but there is real history being altered. You, and many others, are using NOTHING that EVER existed in real life... that is the difference.


Exactly. A lot of these designs are annoyingly off topic because they show no historically significant event, in which the context or content is horribly off.
This one, on the other hand, is easily on topic.
And I've voted for almost every edgar shirt ever. His style is awesome.
Sadly, his best shirt ever (Rhyme Day) was never printed.

D1C0M


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AdderXYU wrote:Seeing as how you have proven time and again to not know parody from a ham sandwich, your opinion on the topic is negligible.

The difference is that YOU are either making up an entire scenario (some important scientist escapes a boulder in real life) or else you are just reimagining a movie. In Edgar's case, there is a REAL EVENT happening. Columbus sails the sea and lands in the west indies. Of course he didn't really meet the cast of gilligan's island, just like the mayflower didn't really hit an iceberg and dinosaurs didn't really live until modern times, but there is real history being altered. You, and many others, are using NOTHING that EVER existed in real life... that is the difference.


I would really like to stay away from any sort of debate as I usually see it go no where, but I would have to agree that I don't see any "alternate" history going on. Now, if Christopher Columbus had been lost in a time warp and then met the cast aways with tv cameras around them, I could see an "alternate" history going on. But just seeing a historical figure meeting a fictional character with no explanation as why, it just doesn't seem on topic. It would be like, what if Elvis married the character Jan Brady. Not the person playing Jan Brady, but the character. I don't know, I digress as I'm new to this whole thing.

I apologize for my misunderstanding and only wish I could understand things like this better.

Great design though.

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In this shirt, Columbus is holding a sword with his left hand. This is simply ridiculous. Columbus was not and never will be left handed, he should be holding the sword with his right hand.
I'm sorry, but a CRITICAL error like this I just cannot over look and I will not be voting on this shirt. This is just more left handed bias that's all over the place these days. DGMV

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Another great shirt Edgar!

Supersugar


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D1C0M wrote:I would really like to stay away from any sort of debate as I usually see it go no where, but I would have to agree that I don't see any "alternate" history going on. Now, if Christopher Columbus had been lost in a time warp and then met the cast aways with tv cameras around them, I could see an "alternate" history going on. But just seeing a historical figure meeting a fictional character with no explanation as why, it just doesn't seem on topic. It would be like, what if Elvis married the character Jan Brady. Not the person playing Jan Brady, but the character. I don't know, I digress as I'm new to this whole thing.

One of the examples given in the Woot description was "What if Lincoln had lost the presidental debate to Julius Caesar," so it should be fairly obvious that they're not interpreting the "these people couldn't have lived at the same time" argument too seriously. Lighten up, already!

striker138


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I really like the design, but I am not going to vote for it. Other subs have been reject for the use of fictional characters, so I will refrain from voting here.

Good luck with the sub though, it is a really good design.


TurboGraphx16


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Cute and all, but I'd never wear it ...

D1C0M


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Supersugar wrote:One of the examples given in the Woot description was "What if Lincoln had lost the presidental debate to Julius Caesar," so it should be fairly obvious that they're not interpreting the "these people couldn't have lived at the same time" argument too seriously. Lighten up, already!


Not being unlight, I thought I was very respectful and meant no harm in my words. I understand the shirt and don't think my design is going to be anymore historical when I'm done with it either. I understand that all this is in fun I have a great time participating in the site.

The only thing I didn't get about it was that the actors in Gilligans Island are real, but not the characters, that's all. Just like the rejected Coyote and Road Runner shirt. The Coyote and Road Runner are fictional characters as are the Gilligans Island characters. And in your example noted from the derby description, both Lincon and Julius Caesar were both real. Had Columbus discover the Gilligans Island TV series, no problem. But since I'm doing an aliens design, people probably wont think my design is historical either.

So once again, I do enjoy the shirt and think it was very well done.

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D1C0M wrote:Not being unlight, I thought I was very respectful and meant no harm in my words. I understand the shirt and don't think my design is going to be anymore historical when I'm done with it either. I understand that all this is in fun I have a great time participating in the site.

The only thing I didn't get about it was that the actors in Gilligans Island are real, but not the characters, that's all. Just like the rejected Coyote and Road Runner shirt. The Coyote and Road Runner are fictional characters as are the Gilligans Island characters. And in your example noted from the derby description, both Lincon and Julius Caesar were both real. Had Columbus discover the Gilligans Island TV series, no problem. But since I'm doing an aliens design, people probably wont think my design is historical either.

So once again, I do enjoy the shirt and think it was very well done.


I think the rule is better understood as "some history" rather than "no fiction."

Tiffwit


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Too cute! Great concept! I want one! The Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Mary Ann!

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I really like the idea and agree that because it at least contains some historical elements that it fits the derby theme.

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love it and it has my vote. My daughter has already put in a request for a shirt.

One complaint. Every time I look it I get the dern Gilligan's Theme song in my head!


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Sporkypoo


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lauraglynn wrote:love it and it has my vote. My daughter has already put in a request for a shirt.

One complaint. Every time I look it I get the dern Gilligan's Theme song in my head!


This.

kdubbs29


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Considering that mine, and several others were DQ'd for having fictional characters, I don't know why this one isn't suffering the same fate. That being said, I personally think that this shirt, as well as other rejected shirts featuring fictional events should be allowed. Woot needs to be more explicit with their rules, and more consistent with their rejections.

nesler


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kdubbs29 wrote:Considering that mine, and several others were DQ'd for having fictional characters, I don't know why this one isn't suffering the same fate. That being said, I personally think that this shirt, as well as other rejected shirts featuring fictional events should be allowed. Woot needs to be more explicit with their rules, and more consistent with their rejections.


Agreed. The playing field needs to be leveled a bit here. Either fictional characters are in or out.. not let in under the wire if you bring a bit of history into it.

A nice shirt, but I'm frustrated by the unevenness of the rules.

Copo


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nesler wrote:Agreed. The playing field needs to be leveled a bit here. Either fictional characters are in or out.. not let in under the wire if you bring a bit of history into it.

A nice shirt, but I'm frustrated by the unevenness of the rules.


Wrong. Absolutely wrong. The point is to have history. If you have history, and no incidental text, it doesn't get disqualified. No matter what else is there. In fact, you WANT other Rollerball (2002) there, fiction or not. If you have no history, it doesn't fit into the derby and it gets disqualified. Fact of life is, your favorite scene from your favorite sitcom isn't a historical event.

It was never a matter of fictional characters are disallowed to be in designs. It was whether the design CONTAINED (not completely consisted of) a historically significant event or person. You know, THE fragging THEME. If you had read through the posts, you might have understood that.

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kdubbs29 wrote:Considering that mine, and several others were DQ'd for having fictional characters, I don't know why this one isn't suffering the same fate. That being said, I personally think that this shirt, as well as other rejected shirts featuring fictional events should be allowed. Woot needs to be more explicit with their rules, and more consistent with their rejections.


I think it's been consistent. This has historical characters and event which meet the base requirements. The fictional characters are just an added part of this. A lot of entries this week only had fictional characters with no actual history. If you look at the rejection notes, they mostly seem to focus on the lack of history, not the addition of fictional characters.

Looking forward to getting this one on Friday.

kdubbs29


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The problem with this argument is that the rules didn't say it had to be real-life history. Fictional things took place during a span of time, therefore, are part of history. Additionally, within the fictional work, there is a history established. Woot did not say either of those were against the rules, therefore, either all fictional works are allowed, or disallowed. They NEED to be specific and consistent.

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What the ..?

Why did "Midnight Ride of Marty McFly" along with some others get rejected for not depicting real history, whereas this remains in the fog?

Seriously, "Midnight Ride" was parodying the midnight ride of paul revere with Back to the future ... how is that any different from this shirt?

Don't get me wrong, I like this shirt, but what the hell, woot?

AdderXYU


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kdubbs29 wrote:Considering that mine, and several others were DQ'd for having fictional characters, I don't know why this one isn't suffering the same fate. That being said, I personally think that this shirt, as well as other rejected shirts featuring fictional events should be allowed. Woot needs to be more explicit with their rules, and more consistent with their rejections.


As others have said, it's not about zero fiction. it's about some history.

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AdderXYU wrote:As others have said, it's not about zero fiction. it's about some history.


and the midnight ride of marty mcfly contains some history. seriously, what's up with the inconsistency in rejection criteria?

TurboGraphx16


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AdderXYU wrote:As others have said, it's not about zero fiction. it's about some history.


... but the point he's making is that many of the shirts that were rejected did include "history" intertwined with another fictional medium.

Take the Back To The Future shirt for example. Back To The Future is a film that has many elements that are ingrained in the fabric of cinematic history. 50 years from now people will still discuss the flux capacitor and remember the immortal character that is Doc Brown. The "Midnight Ride" shirt that was rejected combined elements from that movie with elements from the historic story of Paul Revere. That's really no different than this shirt, which combines Columbus' historic discovery with Gilligan's Island.

Granted I don't think the McFly shirt had any chance of printing, but I still believe it's hypocritical to reject one and not the other, and frankly I'm shocked that you (Adder) disagree on that point, as you've been a staunch advocate for clear and unbiased rules for these Derbies for as long as I can remember.

I don't mean this to come off as an attack, but is it possible you're a tad bit biased in this situation because the design in question is by Edgar; someone whom you are openly a huge fan and supporter of?

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TurboGraphx16 wrote:... but the point he's making is that many of the shirts that were rejected did include "history" intertwined with another fictional medium.

Take the Back To The Future shirt for example. Back To The Future is a film that has many elements that are ingrained in the fabric of cinematic history. 50 years from now people will still discuss the flux capacitor and remember the immortal character that is Doc Brown. The "Midnight Ride" shirt that was rejected combined elements from that movie with elements from the historic story of Paul Revere. That's really no different than this shirt, which combines Columbus' historic discovery with Gilligan's Island.

Granted I don't think the McFly shirt had any chance of printing, but I still believe it's hypocritical to reject one and not the other, and frankly I'm shocked that you (Adder) disagree on that point, as you've been a staunch advocate for clear and unbiased rules for these Derbies for as long as I can remember.

I don't mean this to come off as an attack, but is it possible you're a tad bit biased in this situation because the design in question is by Edgar; someone whom you are openly a huge fan and supporter of?


I think the midnight ride shirt is the only rejected shirt which was both movie and history, so I understand the issue. However, while the one in question clearly includes columbus landing on an island, McFly has a delorean, michael j. fox, and a silly hat. The concept is certainly marginally historic, but the execution is just a movie scene with a hat. Edgar's shirt is an equal mix of history and fiction.

It's a rather moot point anyway, though, since if it wasn't rejected for being a movie, it likely would for being an image lift from the movie.

TurboGraphx16


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AdderXYU wrote:I think the midnight ride shirt is the only rejected shirt which was both movie and history, so I understand the issue. However, while the one in question clearly includes columbus landing on an island, McFly has a delorean, michael j. fox, and a silly hat. The concept is certainly marginally historic, but the execution is just a movie scene with a hat. Edgar's shirt is an equal mix of history and fiction.

It's a rather moot point anyway, though, since if it wasn't rejected for being a movie, it likely would for being an image lift from the movie.


I agree, as it took me a few seconds to "get" the Paul Revere reference, and I'm fairly confident that most people who see the shirt would think it's simply a Back To The Future shirt. This shirt does encompass more history than the McFly one, and I do believe it deserves to be here.

Side note, as I pointed out in the Van Gogh thread, great job on that shirt; awesome idea, and even though I'm not the biggest fan of asphalt shirts I may have to buy one if it prints.

blammoed


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Oh, I completely love this. Great idea, love the artwork too. <3

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D1C0M wrote:Not being unlight, I thought I was very respectful and meant no harm in my words. I understand the shirt and don't think my design is going to be anymore historical when I'm done with it either. I understand that all this is in fun I have a great time participating in the site.

The only thing I didn't get about it was that the actors in Gilligans Island are real, but not the characters, that's all. Just like the rejected Coyote and Road Runner shirt. The Coyote and Road Runner are fictional characters as are the Gilligans Island characters. And in your example noted from the derby description, both Lincon and Julius Caesar were both real. Had Columbus discover the Gilligans Island TV series, no problem. But since I'm doing an aliens design, people probably wont think my design is historical either.

So once again, I do enjoy the shirt and think it was very well done.



dude, watch south parks imaginationland, a little boy named kyle bravlosky explains the magic and realness of fictional characters.

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Cute! I will be buying one.

ribs15183


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This shirt makes no sense; Columbus and his boys would already be raping and brutally murdering the cast at this point. Poor unsuspecting Gilligan has no idea what's about to happen to him...


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Having a hard time with this one. I like the shirt and idea behind it...but alternate history? Alternate history happens to be my favorite genre to read, always asking the "what if" questions in our past. But exactly where is the point of divergence in this? Perhaps if there was a camera crew or something as already mentioned, I could buy some "time travel" crud, that seems to happen in a lot of alternate history of late (i.e. some of Harry Turtledove's works).

Cute design nonetheless. But cant vote for it no matter how well designed it is if I cant see it "on theme." Or maybe I can close my eyes and pretend the camera is there and just deal. On the fence...HELP!

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I Totally want one so bad

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iris420


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kdubbs29 wrote:Considering that mine, and several others were DQ'd for having fictional characters, I don't know why this one isn't suffering the same fate. That being said, I personally think that this shirt, as well as other rejected shirts featuring fictional events should be allowed. Woot needs to be more explicit with their rules, and more consistent with their rejections.


The title doesn't say anything about Gilligan's Island, just says seven stranded castaways. Unless you are familiar with Gilligan's Island, I don't think it would be the first thought to pop into somebody's head. I didn't know it was "supposed" to be the cast of Gilligan's Island. I thought it was just seven dudes. I think Edgar is getting by because he doesn't specify who the seven people are. He lets people infer it.

Carpe shirtem!

Jestik


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iris420 wrote: I think Edgar is getting by because he doesn't specify who the seven people are. He lets people infer it.


Which is why it is so clever.

Make people think, don't hit them over the head with the obvious.

Josephus


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iris420 wrote:The title doesn't say anything about Gilligan's Island, just says seven stranded castaways. Unless you are familiar with Gilligan's Island, I don't think it would be the first thought to pop into somebody's head.


aside from you, most people would immediately understand that it was Gilligan's Island.

iris420


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Josephus wrote:aside from you, most people would immediately understand that it was Gilligan's Island.


Maybe you're right. I grew up without a TV, so never got into the habit of watching it as an adult. I've honestly never seen an episode of Gilligan's island. I realize most people eat, breathe, and Rollerball (2002) TV, though.

Carpe shirtem!

AdderXYU


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iris420 wrote:Maybe you're right. I grew up without a TV, so never got into the habit of watching it as an adult. I've honestly never seen an episode of Gilligan's island. I realize most people eat, breathe, and Rollerball (2002) TV, though.


The thing this does so well is that it CHARACTERIZES without COPYING. Whereas Kurt or Einstein were done recognizably to a fault, where anyone could presume a certain person was meant, even if that certain person wasn't evident, these guys are all nondescript enough to be anyone, but are characterized so you can certainly guess their roles, and anyone familiar with Gilligan or Columbus can guess their names as well. Parody walks such a subtle line, and that's why it's so great when done well.

And also why so many wooters cry like babies because they can't grasp how theirs isn't.

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I love Gilligan's Island and this design, great job!

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I want one. How long have they been on that island?

HeartlineTwist


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I was hoping this was going to be a Lost/Columbus shirt at first, to be honest.

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