Derby #80: Double-Take Derby 4
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Optimistic Courtship

Optimistic Courtship
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sekiyoku


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


It could happen, right?

byrbwr


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i don't like you after that pathetic winter dragon. but, to show that i vote based on design and not artist, you get my vote once more.

sekiyoku


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byrbwr wrote:i don't like you after that pathetic winter dragon. but, to show that i vote based on design and not artist, you get my vote once more.


Haha, I appreciate it. Hopefully I will be able to do designs in the future that you like again, although your tastes appear varied and unpredictable. :p

sweetfish


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Oggling my goat? it's so cute. I'm in for one <3

groosalugg


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Please, no...

groosalugg


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byrbwr wrote:i don't like you after that pathetic winter dragon. but, to show that i vote based on design and not artist, you get my vote once more.


You should rethink your vote.

SavedChristian


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Wow, this design suddenly jumped quite quickly. Not something I would wear.

blahncblah


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SavedChristian wrote:Wow, this design suddenly jumped quite quickly.


Yeah, that happens a lot around here...

christermime


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Funny how this has more votes than old man winter and about 1/10th of the comments. gee.

sekiyoku


quality posts: 18 Private Messages sekiyoku
Please, none of the negativity and drama on this thread. The original submission got 976 votes, which doesn't mean that it's going to win, but it's at least not surprising if it does well. If you have issues, take it up with woot. They're the ones who gave this an honorable mention.

sweetfish wrote:Oggling my goat? it's so cute. I'm in for one <3


Thanks a lot. :D

artulo


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sekiyoku wrote:Please, none of the negativity and drama on this thread.


My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Kianabobana


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I think I feel a hairball coming.....

blahmcblah


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Kianabobana wrote:I think I feel a hairball coming.....


That's not a hairball...


sekiyoku


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artulo wrote:My cat's breath smells like cat food.


Why are you smelling your cat? :O

theinfinityloop


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I'm just curious, are there men voting for this shirt? If so, please comment and tell me what you like about it. It's for my research.


Zenne


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sekiyoku wrote:Why are you smelling your cat? :O


One time, I had to sniff all of our cats breath to figure out who got into the barbeque... XD

cobolisdead


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artulo wrote:My cat's breath smells like cat food.


:D

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

homeschoolwinner


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artulo wrote:My cat's breath smells like cat food.


:-)


"Love is the meaning of life, Life is the meaning of love" The Rutles

Jigsaw13


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If this wins I think it's a sign that the apocalypse is upon us, god have mercy on all our souls...

blahmcblah


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sekiyoku wrote:Please, none of the negativity and drama on this thread.


POSITIVE POSTS ONLY. How dare you people litter this incredible design with your opinions and observations? Please, can't you just ignore the quality of the entries around it or any voting irregularities you may notice and just let it make lots of money? Ok?


Topspin14


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sekiyoku wrote:Please, none of the negativity and drama on this thread. The original submission got 976 votes, which doesn't mean that it's going to win, but it's at least not surprising if it does well. If you have issues, take it up with woot. They're the ones who gave this an honorable mention.


I mean, if there was something fishy going on the first time then that 976 doesn't mean anything. Not saying that there is something fishy going on, but I am saying that your assertion proves little.

mjc613


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theinfinityloop wrote:I'm just curious, are there men voting for this shirt? If so, please comment and tell me what you like about it. It's for my research.


Wow. Boy do I feel stupid.
Until a couple of months ago, this was definitely a masculine site. Some cute stuff got through, like Nessie and Zenne's water entry, but nothing Hello Kitty-ish like this. If this got 976 votes, woot's demographic has changed, either physically or electronically.

Has the average woot shopper really changed that much? 976 adolescent females suddenly descended on woot with paypal accounts? Does that make sense?

marypuppe


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mjc613 wrote:Wow. Boy do I feel stupid.
Until a couple of months ago, this was definitely a masculine site. Some cute stuff got through, like Nessie and Zenne's water entry, but nothing Hello Kitty-ish like this. If this got 976 votes, woot's demographic has changed, either physically or electronically.

Has the average woot shopper really changed that much? 976 adolescent females suddenly descended on woot with paypal accounts? Does that make sense?


Not really into cute, but I like the whole puppy stuck in a hopeless love thing...it makes this seem less cute....and more twisted.

ahuhu

I'm picky, I just don't always express it

Vote on Threadless!:

IndependentVik


quality posts: 11 Private Messages IndependentVik
sekiyoku wrote:Please, none of the negativity and drama on this thread.


That plea virtually guarantees you're going to get a lot of negative posts in this thread. If you don't want to read them, I suggest you don't look at this thread again.

And, yeah, there was a sudden spike where this entry jumped. I honestly don't know what to think. In seki's defense, however, Valentine's Day _is_ just around the corner. Could be the male wooters are helping to vote this up as a potential gift.

artulo


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Zenne wrote:One time, I had to sniff all of our cats breath to figure out who got into the barbeque... XD


Did you find the culprit?!

felloffthebus


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too simple and...weird.

artulo


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mjc613 wrote:Wow. Boy do I feel stupid.
Until a couple of months ago, this was definitely a masculine site. Some cute stuff got through, like Nessie and Zenne's water entry, but nothing Hello Kitty-ish like this. If this got 976 votes, woot's demographic has changed, either physically or electronically.

Has the average woot shopper really changed that much? 976 adolescent females suddenly descended on woot with paypal accounts? Does that make sense?


Honestly I think the voting and buying patterns of people who purchase items at woot changed when they introduced kids shirt sizes.

groosalugg


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artulo wrote:Did you find the culprit?!



oh, I think we know who the culprit is.

JadenKale


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groosalugg wrote:oh, I think we know who the culprit is.


so.... the boyfriend did it?

vertigosia


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I think it's really too bad that this one's so high up, because it's easily my least favorite yours. Let Cake Eat Them > this one.

groosalugg


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JadenKale wrote:so.... the boyfriend did it?


YES! The boyfriend did it, in the library, with a candlestick.......and a bunch of woot accounts.

JadenKale


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groosalugg wrote:YES! The boyfriend did it, in the library, with a candlestick.......and a bunch of woot accounts.


Is that how the new version of the game goes? Damn... I bet it includes too many anime shirts too. I'd be writing Hasbro a letter and never opening the box if that's the way it plays out now.

theinfinityloop


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marypuppe wrote:Not really into cute, but I like the whole puppy stuck in a hopeless love thing...it makes this seem less cute....and more twisted.

ahuhu

Are you male though? I assumed not because of mary being a part of your name. Pardon me if I'm wrong.

IndependentVik wrote:That plea virtually guarantees you're going to get a lot of negative posts in this thread. If you don't want to read them, I suggest you don't look at this thread again.

And, yeah, there was a sudden spike where this entry jumped. I honestly don't know what to think. In seki's defense, however, Valentine's Day _is_ just around the corner. Could be the male wooters are helping to vote this up as a potential gift.

No one has claimed that as an answer to my question yet. And I'm not trying to be sexist and I apologize if I'm coming off that way. If a guy honestly likes this shirt--okay. Fine. I'm just conducting a little research. I have some time to kill since my Wacom tablet is sick.

So I'll ask again--if you are a man please post in this format just so it's clear:

I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


cobolisdead


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blahmcblah wrote:POSITIVE POSTS ONLY. How dare you people litter this incredible design with your opinions and observations? Please, can't you just ignore the quality of the entries around it or any voting irregularities you may notice and just let it make lots of money? Ok?


:D

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

Zenne


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artulo wrote:Did you find the culprit?!


Yep. It was the little black kitten whose snout otherwise wouldn't show tell-tale signs of him pigging through my chicken!

byrbwr


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i'm a male, clearly. and i like it. why not? a guy can like cute things. i love kitty-cats.

muffypuffie


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If a girl wore this shirt, she would have one critter on each bosom.

...oogling my puppy?

folkkevi


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Art (Original content not provided.).

kcman011


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theinfinityloop wrote:

I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


...My wife was like Oggling my goat? I WANT THAT SOOOOOOO BADLY! (And she, unfortunately, doesn't have her own account)

ramyb


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kcman011 wrote:...My wife was like Oggling my goat? I WANT THAT SOOOOOOO BADLY! (And she, unfortunately, doesn't have her own account)


Ahaha, I was actually just coming to this thread to post that I bet that there are some girlfriends who..."coerce" their boyfriends into voting for this shirt, and drop subtle hints about wanting it as a gift, only to find that my guess was right before I even made it :D

SaritaBeth


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muffypuffie wrote:If a girl wore this shirt, she would have one critter on each bosom.

...oogling my puppy?


this was my exact thought with this entry. its sort of cute...but the placement makes it completely not doable for those of us that are more well endowed. I would say it fits for the 13 year old girl crowd in both style and placement, but by 13 I already had such a rack that my parents threatened to tattoo "jail bait" on my forehead ahuhu.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

AdderXYU


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IndependentVik wrote:That plea virtually guarantees you're going to get a lot of negative posts in this thread. If you don't want to read them, I suggest you don't look at this thread again.

And, yeah, there was a sudden spike where this entry jumped. I honestly don't know what to think. In seki's defense, however, Valentine's Day _is_ just around the corner. Could be the male wooters are helping to vote this up as a potential gift.


If my girl wanted this for valentines day, her valentines day gift would be me sleeping with someone else.

lexicon2234


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AdderXYU wrote:If my girl wanted this for valentines day, her valentines day gift would be me sleeping with someone else.



cute t-shirts.....pfft

ABenj


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I asked it for Kitsune and I'll ask it for this.

How is this shirt doing so well?

PhilSandifer


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ABenj wrote:I asked it for Kitsune and I'll ask it for this.

How is this shirt doing so well?


It's straightforward enough to be worn by someone who doesn't know the Derby concept it came from. It's capably drawn. It's cute and charming in a mass appeal sort of way. It's a shirt one can readily imagine people actually wearing.

This remains the ticket to getting printed. Draw capably, have a concept that stands on its own, and go for something simple, cute, wistful, or otherwise sort of innocuously pleasant.

In other words, design a shirt that would sell well in a store and it'll win the Derby too.

sentnl


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Are you SERIOUS? Ever just think about breadsticks?. No thanks.

ribbit1122


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While I don't usually go for this type of design, my sister-in-law is in love with it; so if it places, I'll be buying one.

On a side note, this comment made my day:
Zenne wrote:One time, I had to sniff all of our cats breath to figure out who got into the barbeque... XD

Thank you for making me laugh until I cried!

There is only one FINITE way to spell "deFINITEly."
You will find A RAT when you sepARATe the rat trap.

sf25819


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theinfinityloop wrote:
I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


I like cute shirts, the chicks and guys I hang with enjoy my energetic and easygoing nature which these cutesy shirts (and the rest of my usual dress ensemble) express, and they're great conversation starters that aren't edgy or some inane inside joke.

hth

cobolisdead


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SaritaBeth wrote:this was my exact thought with this entry. its sort of cute...but the placement makes it completely not doable for those of us that are more well endowed. I would say it fits for the 13 year old girl crowd in both style and placement, but by 13 I already had such a rack that my parents threatened to tattoo "jail bait" on my forehead ahuhu.


This post just makes me dread ever having a daughter.

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

mjc613


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byrbwr wrote:i'm a male, clearly. and i like it. why not? a guy can like cute things. i love kitty-cats.

with or without salt?

goldenthorn


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I'm a female. I'd even go so far to say that I'm a very "girly" female in my sartorial choices. But this shirt is _not_ for me. For one, it's too cute. Wearing this would turn my blood to sugar and I'd melt in the next rain-shower. And if I'm going to wear something cute, I would at least like for it to be clever, subversive or original. This is none of the above. Two, the placement is such that one of my bosom endowments would be tagged as dog, and the other as cat (but with more colorful terms, duh). Three, well, look... these cutesy designs are cute on occasion, yeah. And kittens and puppies are adorable, sure. And I like anime, definitely. But this is not freaking chibi.woot!!! Of all the second chance art available - actual gorgeous works of art and cleverness that I would be proud to display, highlight, and brag about on my chest - why must we consistently go the simplistic, hot topic, animu route?
Sekiyoku and ramyb, I've bought some of your shirts before, but I just can't click this time. But I'm sure you'll get enough votes and plaudits that my dissension makes no difference. Good luck!

kawaiikes


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I dunno why people are moaning about this shirt when the concept is great and the art is simple but good.

You have my vote (and my boyfriend's vote) and, if this shirt is printed, you can plan to see one in my closet (and possibly one or two of my friends'!)

kawaiikes


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AdderXYU wrote:If my girl wanted this for valentines day, her valentines day gift would be me sleeping with someone else.


Probably why you are single.

Because women should be cheated on for enjoying cute things, and wanting a $10 shirt for Valentine's Day.

Have a great one.

Alone.

takelondon


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theinfinityloop wrote:I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


Because it is cute, and I would wear it. Seriously, shirts don't have to show masculinity for men to wear them. Lots of the shirts posted on shirt.woot have been cute shirts that I would wear. So infinityloop, hopefully you can make some shirts that appeal to both genders, and I hope this helps? Also, Life Renewed was a great design, my girlfriend got to it before I did though :3

heartluce


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I don't see the appeal. The cat's head is huge; the fish is hanging off the dog's mouth instead of in it, and the legs are so odd. You've definitely drawn better in my opinion. It's also so childish. How is it in the fog over the others?

heartluce


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kawaiikes wrote:I dunno why people are moaning about this shirt when the concept is great and the art is simple but good.

You have my vote (and my boyfriend's vote) and, if this shirt is printed, you can plan to see one in my closet (and possibly one or two of my friends'!)


Yes, why not buy like 100.

takelondon


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heartluce wrote:Yes, why not buy like 100.


Since obviously when I like a shirt I buy 100 of them.

kawaiikes


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heartluce wrote:Yes, why not buy like 100.


I'd rather not see jackasses walking around in a shirt I like on any level, anyway.

Put on a camouflage t-shirt that says "you can't see me!" and scurry away, negativity.

heartluce


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takelondon wrote:Since obviously when I like a shirt I buy 100 of them.


But I was responding to kawaiikes so why are you answering? A lot of new people in here with one or a few posts.

takelondon


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heartluce wrote:But I was responding to kawaiikes so why are you answering? A lot of new people in here with one or a few posts.


Because you made a stupid statement. And again with the conclusions, obviously since I have one or a few posts my opinion matters less.

SailorButterfly


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kawaiikes wrote:I dunno why people are moaning about this shirt when the concept is great and the art is simple but good.


The concept is exactly why I don't like this shirt. It just creeps me out that a dog would want to "court" a cat. ::shudder::
All the cute shiny desu art in the world can't change the negativity of the image my mind conjures up thinking about that...

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kawaiikes


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SailorButterfly wrote:The concept is exactly why I don't like this shirt. It just creeps me out that a dog would want to "court" a cat. ::shudder::
All the cute shiny desu art in the world can't change the negativity of the image my mind conjures up thinking about that...


Why does that creep you out? xD If you're reading too much into it and considering it on a level that may be disturbing, that isn't really anyone else's problem. Not to be offensive, though.

There are strange animal pairs all the time--floating around on the internet are plenty of pictures of a polar bear hugging a wolf, a cat cuddling with a rabbit, and the like.

kawaiikes


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heartluce wrote:But I was responding to kawaiikes so why are you answering? A lot of new people in here with one or a few posts.


If I posted nasty, snippy comments on every shirt I believed was doing better or worse than I personally felt it should, I might have as many posts as you do, anyway.

I can only hope that through my pleasant comments, and possibly less pleasant debate with those trying to make trouble, I will someday have as many posts as you. It is clear I am being judged by a number below my username, as opposed to anything legitimate, like my possible intelligence, or my age (both of which you probably don't have a very good picture of).

goldenthorn


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kawaiikes wrote:
There are strange animal pairs all the time--floating around on the internet are plenty of pictures of a polar bear hugging a wolf, a cat cuddling with a rabbit, and the like.


Look, we don't need to bring furries into this conversation, okay? There's enough going on already without you trying to kill our souls.

SailorButterfly


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kawaiikes wrote:Why does that creep you out? xD If you're reading too much into it and considering it on a level that may be disturbing, that isn't really anyone else's problem. Not to be offensive, though.

There are strange animal pairs all the time--floating around on the internet are plenty of pictures of a polar bear hugging a wolf, a cat cuddling with a rabbit, and the like.


So? Just because they exist doesn't mean I have to like them. You basically said you didn't see why someone wouldn't like the shirt, and I gave you a reason why I didn't.

I also would suffer from the placement on a well-endowed chest problem that SaritaBeth pointed out. XD

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The "Most Awesome Butterfly-Sailor Hybrid on Woot"

Murphly


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theinfinityloop wrote:I'm just curious, are there men voting for this shirt? If so, please comment and tell me what you like about it. It's for my research.


I'm voting it, I like cute things when presented in a not overly girly way. I know, the girliness of this is debateable. Still it reminds me of the "Here She Is" flash videos (search it!) and that's awesome.

Plus my girlfriend is such a cat person and I'm pro-dog all the way

heartluce


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kawaiikes wrote:If I posted nasty, snippy comments on every shirt I believed was doing better or worse than I personally felt it should, I might have as many posts as you do, anyway.

I can only hope that through my pleasant comments, and possibly less pleasant debate with those trying to make trouble, I will someday have as many posts as you. It is clear I am being judged by a number below my username, as opposed to anything legitimate, like my possible intelligence, or my age (both of which you probably don't have a very good picture of).


Not really, because had you been around as long as I've been, you'd know that 90 percent of my posts are positive and supportive. This is the first and only shirt in this derby I've given a less than stellar opinion on. And, I did it because last time it was around I wanted to be "nice" and not express how odd the drawing was to me.
In any case, I don't really care what you think. I am not saying one thousandth of what I would like to here. So, call that positivity.

kawaiikes


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goldenthorn wrote:Look, we don't need to bring furries into this conversation, okay? There's enough going on already without you trying to kill our souls.


Who said anything about furries?

I mean, aside from you xD

goldenthorn


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kawaiikes wrote:Who said anything about furries?

I mean, aside from you xD


Hmph. I know full well what you were trying to do, missy, all deflecting attention from one evil by bringing up a worse evil, then playing innocent! Don't try to turn it onto me!

Though, you know what? Hackneyed chibi designs > furry. So I'll agree with you on that. Everyone wins! :P

nainebel


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I'm a guy, and I like this shirt mainly because it's cute and fun. I like any shirt that makes sense in and of itself (though inside jokes are good too) and can be worn at just about any time.

Besides, the art's fun.

planeshifter2


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PhilSandifer wrote:It's straightforward enough to be worn by someone who doesn't know the Derby concept it came from. It's capably drawn. It's cute and charming in a mass appeal sort of way. It's a shirt one can readily imagine people actually wearing.

This remains the ticket to getting printed. Draw capably, have a concept that stands on its own, and go for something simple, cute, wistful, or otherwise sort of innocuously pleasant.

In other words, design a shirt that would sell well in a store and it'll win the Derby too.


This.

Sekiyoku's shirt may be "low" art compared to some other entrants, but not everyone wants to go walking around with an art gallery on their torso.

Also I'm a guy and I voted for this shirt because I felt like it.

iris420


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ramyb wrote:Ahaha, I was actually just coming to this thread to post that I bet that there are some girlfriends who..."coerce" their boyfriends into voting for this shirt, and drop subtle hints about wanting it as a gift, only to find that my guess was right before I even made it :D


If my boyfriend bought this for me, I'd stab out his eyes. Just sayin...

Carpe shirtem!

IndependentVik


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AdderXYU wrote:If my girl wanted this for valentines day, her valentines day gift would be me sleeping with someone else.


Hah! Well, admittedly, I wouldn't get this for my own gal. It's a little too saccharine for her (she might find it cute on the actual day, but after the glow of Valentine's wore off she'd never actually wear it).

I'm trying so hard to be positive, but this fogging depresses me. I can't see this design fogging over so many of these strong HMs as recently as a year ago. Whether the change is due to kid sizes, ramyb's hordes flocking to the site, or voting irregularities I have no idea. Whatever the case, the site is going into a stylistic rut every weekend. All of these shirts are looking the same.

And not cool on the woot staff for HMing this style all the time. It's bad enough that we have to deal with it during all regular derbies, but now we have to see it win the double-takes, too.

SaritaBeth


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cobolisdead wrote:This post just makes me dread ever having a daughter.


hee...it makes my fiance jumpy at the thought of us having kids. kids here tend to "bloom" a little later. for him, the thought of having near 6'0 red head girls built like brick outhouses is making him reconsider his dislike of guns. ahuhu

sailorbutterfly wrote:I also would suffer from the placement on a well-endowed chest problem that SaritaBeth pointed out. XD


high five to the fellow members of the "girls" club. XD its why I don't take too much sock in the mentioned shirt stats of mens vs. womens shirts. I buy mens shirt sizes cause I don't want to look like I am applying for a job at hooters.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

thembfam


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kawaiikes wrote:Why does that creep you out? xD If you're reading too much into it and considering it on a level that may be disturbing, that isn't really anyone else's problem. Not to be offensive, though.

There are strange animal pairs all the time--floating around on the internet are plenty of pictures of a polar bear hugging a wolf, a cat cuddling with a rabbit, and the like.


This has got to be one of the more idiotic explanations ever. This shirt is okay, or even good, due to the fact that I can find images of polar bears hugging wolves elsewhere on the web? Wow. Just wow.

D1C0M


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heartluce wrote:How is it in the fog over the others?

100% agree and I don't like to be negative.

kawaiikes


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thembfam wrote:This has got to be one of the more idiotic explanations ever. This shirt is okay, or even good, due to the fact that I can find images of polar bears hugging wolves elsewhere on the web? Wow. Just wow.


I wasn't defending the shirt--if you'd be less of a troll and read entire conversations, you might realize that post was my responding to someone's disapproval of the notion of a dog courting a cat, and not a defense of the art on the shirt.

I do like this shirt but please, do read all previous comments before making strange assumptions and putting words in my mouth.

catz07b


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awwwwwwwwww

thembfam


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kawaiikes wrote:I wasn't defending the shirt--if you'd be less of a troll and read entire conversations, you might realize that post was my responding to someone's disapproval of the notion of a dog courting a cat, and not a defense of the art on the shirt.

I do like this shirt but please, do read all previous comments before making strange assumptions and putting words in my mouth.


Oh thank you kind sir. I am so much more informed now. No. I know the context of the entire conversation. I am saying that for you to defend this concept as worthy, is akin to defending the shirt. Close enough for me.

slashampersand


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heartluce wrote:How is it in the fog over the others?


well, the same way that *all* of their designs somehow get into the fog....

neroownsyou


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LOVE IT! GMV.

and for the record, i'm a guy. But i love cute shirts, i get so many comments from other girls ;o

nbrosas


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PhilSandifer wrote:\
In other words, design a shirt that would sell well in a store and it'll win the Derby too.


Where do you shop? I don't even see this type of stuff in places like Urban Outfitters, especially in the men's section.

theinfinityloop wrote:I'm just curious, are there men voting for this shirt? If so, please comment and tell me what you like about it. It's for my research.


Notice how all the answers have been "because I like cutesy art". Sigh.

AdderXYU


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PhilSandifer wrote:

This remains the ticket to getting printed. Draw capably, have a concept that stands on its own, and go for something simple, cute, wistful, or otherwise sort of innocuously pleasant.


So I will ask again: how is this one doing well? It's not "capably drawn" even for their overdone and yawnworthy "style". Look at the cat's head, for starters. As for the concept, there are 100 "forbidden love" style shirts on the internet done 100 times better than this with more creative takes on it. The concept may be a popular one, but there is no reason this take on it should be praised for it. It's a buddy cop movie: totally cliche idea with horrible execution.

jamescho84


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AdderXYU wrote:So I will ask again: how is this one doing well? It's not "capably drawn" even for their overdone and yawnworthy "style". Look at the cat's head, for starters. As for the concept, there are 100 "forbidden love" style shirts on the internet done 100 times better than this with more creative takes on it. The concept may be a popular one, but there is no reason this take on it should be praised for it. It's a buddy cop movie: totally cliche idea with horrible execution.


I might've gotten this for my dog Teddy, but I also don't want him getting the wrong thoughts you know? I mean, it's a little perverted right? Cat and dog? Does that make me prejudiced against interspecie relationships? Thoughts?

Apparently.. Not so Forbidden after all.

KZxBlades


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Ahhh damn.... I was hoping for Call of the Wild shirt instead of this!

JadenKale


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kawaiikes wrote:Probably why you are single.

Because women should be cheated on for enjoying cute things, and wanting a $10 shirt for Valentine's Day.

Have a great one.

Alone.


Dude, if your girl only wants a $10 shirt for Valentine's Day, she already holds your "wallet" and has control of everything.

If I even celebrated Valentine's Day, which I don't, I wouldn't want a cute shirt as a gift. I can think of a LOT better things than that (and heck, you don't have to pay for most of those ;) ) I sure as hell wouldn't be a witch and demand something for a superficial church holiday that was created solely to supersede a pagan holiday of fertility.

If you're in a relationship, you already have the guy/girl. Do you really need another holiday to tell that person you love them... or at the very least, want to sleep with them? You already have a 'date' that you two can remember in the privacy of your own space. You don't need 2 times a year to remind yourself to buy them something that they probably don't need.

bradyson


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JadenKale wrote:Dude, if your girl only wants a $10 shirt for Valentine's Day, she already holds your "wallet" and has control of everything.

If I even celebrated Valentine's Day, which I don't, I wouldn't want a cute shirt as a gift. I can think of a LOT better things than that (and heck, you don't have to pay for most of those ;) ) I sure as hell wouldn't be a witch and demand something for a superficial church holiday that was created solely to supersede a pagan holiday of fertility.

If you're in a relationship, you already have the guy/girl. Do you really need another holiday to tell that person you love them... or at the very least, want to sleep with them? You already have a 'date' that you two can remember in the privacy of your own space. You don't need 2 times a year to remind yourself to buy them something that they probably don't need.


I agree. Who needs a holiday to get someone you "love" roses, chocolate, and a kawaii shirt?

Thankfully my girl (actually a woman) isn't into such koi.

Okay, Valentine's Day rant over...

About the shirt. This style just isn't for me. Some people like sheer cuteness and while I don't understand it, that is their right. I wish Ramy would try some do some different styles, but he is obviously doing well with this so who can blame him if the majority of the voters like this.

Synopsis: "I love the whole dumb world."

Shenorock


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JadenKale wrote:Dude, if your girl only wants a $10 shirt for Valentine's Day, she already holds your "wallet" and has control of everything.

If I even celebrated Valentine's Day, which I don't, I wouldn't want a cute shirt as a gift. I can think of a LOT better things than that (and heck, you don't have to pay for most of those ;) ) I sure as hell wouldn't be a witch and demand something for a superficial church holiday that was created solely to supersede a pagan holiday of fertility.

If you're in a relationship, you already have the guy/girl. Do you really need another holiday to tell that person you love them... or at the very least, want to sleep with them? You already have a 'date' that you two can remember in the privacy of your own space. You don't need 2 times a year to remind yourself to buy them something that they probably don't need.


Bahahaha, take her advice and get a free pass to the dog house from 98% of women =P

artulo


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theinfinityloop wrote:I'm just curious, are there men voting for this shirt? If so, please comment and tell me what you like about it. It's for my research.


JadenKale


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Shenorock wrote:Bahahaha, take her advice and get a free pass to the dog house from 98% of women =P


That just proves that most women are far more shallow than they admit. XP

bradyson


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artulo wrote:


Can you make it read, "Kawaii!!! I'd buy it!"
???

KThxBai

Copo


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kawaiikes wrote:If I posted nasty, snippy comments on every shirt I believed was doing better or worse than I personally felt it should, I might have as many posts as you do, anyway.

I can only hope that through my pleasant comments, and possibly less pleasant debate with those trying to make trouble, I will someday have as many posts as you. It is clear I am being judged by a number below my username, as opposed to anything legitimate, like my possible intelligence, or my age (both of which you probably don't have a very good picture of).


Well your name gives away your entire personality, which isn't a good thing in this case. That's how I judge you.

sf25819


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nbrosas wrote:Notice how all the answers have been "because I like cutesy art". Sigh.


*Gruff voice* Oh yeah man I know how you feel I only wear manly stuff like trenchcoats, jean jackets, and TAPOUT! shirts. That's how I let everyone know I'm a tough dude.

iris420


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jamescho84 wrote:
Apparently.. Not so Forbidden after all.


That poor kitty! I kind of cried.

Carpe shirtem!

Shenorock


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sf25819 wrote:*Gruff voice* Oh yeah man I know how you feel I only wear manly stuff like trenchcoats, jean jackets, and TAPOUT! shirts. That's how I let everyone know I'm a tough dude.


There is a middle ground between wrestling shirts and anime kittens. Most guys are somewhere in that massive middle area.

itsbeth


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


People have every right to be annoyed about it, but the fact of the matter is that this would sell like hotcakes in the kids' sizes and that's probably why it got the HM from woot in the first place.

AdderXYU


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itsbeth wrote:People have every right to be annoyed about it, but the fact of the matter is that this would sell like hotcakes in the kids' sizes and that's probably why it got the HM from woot in the first place.


From the original HM post:

"Well, that’s just what we’re going to start giving them: a little recognition. Very little. Henceforth and forthwith, the Shirt.Woot staff will announce its Honorable Mention picks every Monday, saluting the unsung masterpieces of the previous Derby."

I would like to think somewhere in the concept of "unsung masterpieces" there is a complete disregard for potential sales. Though as time goes on, more and more HMs seem to come about due to how much revenue they can pull in, while back in the long ago, there seemed to be far more selected for pure merit as opposed to possible profit. The fact that Fat Man and Little Boy had so many HMs with so little quality and so many wins makes me feel the heart of the HMs, like so many wooty things, might be compromised by that bottom line.

Valis


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jamescho84 wrote:
Apparently.. Not so Forbidden after all.


This has ruined the story of Koko and All Bäll (oh, filters, you provide hours of amusement and frustration) for me forever. (Yes, I am aware that baboons and gorillas are not the same thing.)

artulo


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sf25819 wrote:*Gruff voice* Oh yeah man I know how you feel I only wear manly stuff like trenchcoats, jean jackets, and TAPOUT! shirts. That's how I let everyone know I'm a tough dude.


Hey, the Hoff is man enough to wear this!

blahmcblah


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artulo wrote:Hey, the Hoff is man enough to wear this!


lolololol, epic.


JadenKale


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artulo wrote:Hey, the Hoff is man enough to wear this!


O M G... My head hurts trying to take in the many atrocities in this picture. XD

That rainbow 'kawaii' could put a person in a coma.

nakitae


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AdderXYU wrote:If my girl wanted this for valentines day, her valentines day gift would be me sleeping with someone else.


No one would judge you for that.

AdderXYU


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nakitae wrote:No one would judge you for that.


So, you doin' anything in two saturdays? yknow, just in case?

Sarcastik


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theinfinityloop wrote:
I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


i like the simplicity, goes with the upcoming Valentines.

though i probably would stash it away after Valentines Day...

smthngcrprt726


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


This shirt is stunningly awful. Really, there is no reason for this shirt to be beating resist or inspired by round the moon, which I believe are two designs that would actually look really good in printed form. So please do not vote for this shirt, as it would be a shame for better designs to go unprinted because of some questionable voting.

mjc613


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PhilSandifer wrote:
In other words, design a shirt that would sell well in a store and it'll win the Derby too.


I have one problem with your post. The shirt this post addresses would not sell well in a store.

kawaiikes


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Copo wrote:Well your name gives away your entire personality, which isn't a good thing in this case. That's how I judge you.


Eh, it's a screenname I used back in high school and the only one I will actually remember.

I wasn't sure I'd ever be posting, or I might've chosen something less childish.

But that is an incredibly stupid way to judge someone, though I doubt you'd realize that.

mrwednesday


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re: optimistic courtship


I've mostly liked woot because most of the shirts that win are clever, well drawn and simple. At many of the other shirt sites, the designs are certainly artistic but far too busy for my tastes and usually too expensive to be worth buying.

Most shirts here were at least two of the three things I listed above. Between ramy and seki the fog is pretty much just simple. No good art and not even remotely clever or original. It'd be nice if you two at least attempted to design something worth wearing....

sf25819


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artulo wrote:Hey, the Hoff is man enough to wear this!


Yep and he'd pull more tail wearing that shirt than you ever will wearing whatever.

kcman011


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[quote postid="2949256" user="SailorButterfly"]
It just creeps me out that a dog would want to "court" a cat. ::shudder::

I think it's in the term, 'opposites attract.'

kwilder


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kcman011 wrote:[quote postid="2949256" user="SailorButterfly"]

I think it's in the term, 'opposites attract.'


Actually, opposites don't' really attract, rather similarity breeds liking. First, people are fairly vain, so they like things that remind them of themselves, additionally people that are really that different don't really have many opportunities to meet each other. Though, certainly people differ from each other, and others may complement each other as far as differences are concerned, but opposites don't attract necessarily.

Thus, that dog is out of luck.

kcman011


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kwilder wrote:Actually, opposites don't' really attract, rather similarity breeds liking. First, people are fairly vain, so they like things that remind them of themselves, additionally people that are really that different don't really have many opportunities to meet each other. Though, certainly people differ from each other, and others may complement each other as far as differences are concerned, but opposites don't attract necessarily.

Thus, that dog is out of luck.


No need to be so literal. ;)

kurokami


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kawaiikes wrote:If I posted nasty, snippy comments on every shirt I believed was doing better or worse than I personally felt it should, I might have as many posts as you do, anyway.

I can only hope that through my pleasant comments, and possibly less pleasant debate with those trying to make trouble, I will someday have as many posts as you. It is clear I am being judged by a number below my username, as opposed to anything legitimate, like my possible intelligence, or my age (both of which you probably don't have a very good picture of).


I think I have a fairly accurate picture of your intelligence...

However, guessing any girl's age is always difficult, and you're never guaranteed the truth from them.

striker138


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


I voted for this shirt, and I am a full grown adult man. I like simple designs, designs that make me chuckle, and designs clever and slightly off the norm. I am not a fan of overly artsy shirts, because I don't want to wear an art gallery, I want to wear a t-shirt. The best t-shirts are often the simplest imho.


PhilSandifer


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AdderXYU wrote:So I will ask again: how is this one doing well? It's not "capably drawn" even for their overdone and yawnworthy "style". Look at the cat's head, for starters.


It's cat-shaped, features clean lines and an expressive face. Same with the dog. Simple, clean, and communicative. It's good design. And that's why it consistently wins over artists I actually like a good deal more - Edgar's style, for instance, is marked by a consciously unclean line, and BootsBoots tends towards a somewhat baroque approach, coupled with much stranger concepts. Both, I think, look fantastic. But they don't win over simple, clean, and communicative design.

kawaiikes


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kurokami wrote:I think I have a fairly accurate picture of your intelligence...

However, guessing any girl's age is always difficult, and you're never guaranteed the truth from them.


If that was intended to be offensive, I will feel the need to point out that your screenname is kurokami, which would make you a gigantic hypocrite.

And guessing age can be difficult, especially with older / married women who "typ lik dis", and high-schoolers with the literacy of college professors (though, honestly, I'm no longer in high school). It seems like a pretty negative stereotype to assume that I might lie about my age, though.

WhatsInAName


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Cuteness/Simplicity > Substance/Quality

This shirt is a great example of why a Democratic system has never worked and will never work, in government or otherwise. A majority compromised of mor0ns is still a majority and, of course, majority rules.

I say a cuteshirt.woot spin-off is necessary.

mjc613


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WhatsInAName wrote:Cuteness/Simplicity > Substance/Quality

This shirt is a great example of why a Democratic system has never worked and will never work, in government or otherwise. A majority compromised of mor0ns is still a majority and, of course, majority rules.

.


Socialist systems don't work well either. They have a limited lifespan.

homeschoolwinner


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WhatsInAName wrote:Cuteness/Simplicity > Substance/Quality

This shirt is a great example of why a Democratic system has never worked and will never work, in government or otherwise. A majority compromised of mor0ns is still a majority and, of course, majority rules.

I say a cuteshirt.woot spin-off is necessary.


I have to agree. As much fun as it is to speculate about cheating/conspiracy theories, the bottom line is, those shirts do in fact sell like hot cakes. Someone IS buying them. I think it may just be a matter of being able to market to the masses. Majority rules.


"Love is the meaning of life, Life is the meaning of love" The Rutles

snarkygal


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kawaiikes wrote:I'd rather not see jackasses walking around in a shirt I like on any level, anyway.

Put on a camouflage t-shirt that says "you can't see me!" and scurry away, negativity.


I bet your favorite website is cuteoverload.com, isn't it?

GroupA240


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What are the two/votes for?
And what does the tattle button do?
I assume that is what the other side of the slash is...

SarahPants5


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


I love this, it's too cute, I don't care what "street cred" I lose with this comment. :P

JadenKale


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GroupA240 wrote:What are the two/votes for?
And what does the tattle button do?
I assume that is what the other side of the slash is...


No... looking at the information:

If you are looking at the hotness on the side of the page (or looking at all the entries on one page)
Top right hand corner: Hotness: You'll see things like +23/+132, +40/+?... it means how many votes in the last 3 hrs/how many votes total. If it has a '?' it's in the fog.

If you are looking at a specific entry:
Top right hand corner: You'll see +? / in the fog, +180 / 6th ... the first number is how many votes it has so far/current place in the competition. If you see: +? / in the fog, '?' means hidden from view (because woot feels it's unfair to vote one shirt up over another based on numbers. You should vote because you like the piece when it's competing for one of the top 4 spots) and 'in the fog' is where the top 4 entries blindly battle it out every week for a chance to be one of the top three prints.

In most weeks, the tattle button is used to complain of rude entries, improper use of theme, and other basic rules the artist failed to follow. This week, it's less likely to be an issue since these were all chosen by the staff to compete again in a 'do over' derby.

GroupA240


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JadenKale wrote:No... looking at the information:

If you are looking at the hotness on the side of the page (or looking at all the entries on one page)
Top right hand corner: Hotness: You'll see things like +23/+132, +40/+?... it means how many votes in the last 3 hrs/how many votes total. If it has a '?' it's in the fog.

If you are looking at a specific entry:
Top right hand corner: You'll see +? / in the fog, +180 / 6th ... the first number is how many votes it has so far/current place in the competition. If you see: +? / in the fog, '?' means hidden from view (because woot feels it's unfair to vote one shirt up over another based on numbers. You should vote because you like the piece when it's competing for one of the top 4 spots) and 'in the fog' is where the top 4 entries blindly battle it out every week for a chance to be one of the top three prints.

In most weeks, the tattle button is used to complain of rude entries, improper use of theme, and other basic rules the artist failed to follow. This week, it's less likely to be an issue since these were all chosen by the staff to compete again in a 'do over' derby.


cool thanks for the help, its my first time.

kawaiikes


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snarkygal wrote:I bet your favorite website is cuteoverload.com, isn't it?


I've not heard of it, actually, but the fact that you've now brought it up and I still see no point in visiting it, even out of curiosity, seems to say something about you, now doesn't it?

lloth


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


I have a tiny Chihuahua that is hopelessly in love with one of our cats. Every person that knows "Mouse" would fall over dead laughing at the image on this shirt. He's tried everything to win the cat's favor, except perhaps, a fish.... That must be where he's going wrong.

There are probably plenty of reasons why this shirt is getting positive attention with no need for "conspiracy" and vote fixing theories. It may not be high art, but I'd love to have one and I'm 43 years old. It just reminds me of my little man.

ladyshiva


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I'd buy it, and my boyfriend would wear it too.

HeartlineTwist


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Out of fairness, I think this beats Resist on a technicality. Sure, people may hate anime and think it all looks the same, but it sure as heck beats a relatively simple line.

Yes, Resist has a fantastic concept behind it, but it doesn't really appeal to me as a shirt.

Then again, I'm not taken by this shirt, either, but I would rank this 3rd out of the fog right now.

And no, that's not a vote prediction. That's a ranking of which shirts I liked.

Albireo


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BREAKING NEWS TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY: shirt.woot users look for new controversy and drama, feed on the tears of the powerful! more at 6.

I really don't like this shirt, but I don't really give a koi if it wins or not. It'll sell, whether or not you guys stomp your feet and rage to the staff (who, I imagine, is interested in turning a profit). :D

seekayeff


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theinfinityloop wrote:I'm just curious, are there men voting for this shirt? If so, please comment and tell me what you like about it. It's for my research.


Loop- i'm a "chick" and wouldn't be caught dead in this. too cute and baby blue.

and i loved purple rain

RESIST folks!!!

dijin


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Nothing against this design. But I didn't think that many people would like it. It's so gosh-darned cute...I prefer seki's let cake eat them design.

mjc613


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Re: Optimistic Courtship

Some of the comments about this shirt from ShirtDerbyStats.com:
Allen,2/1/2009 4:02:17 PM - "I agree this shirt is not wearable by anybody but a young girl. If any adult wore this around me I would think they were a pedophile."

burger,1/31/2009 1:36:55 PM - "If this shirt gets printed, I am officially going to stop visiting shirt.woot because apparently there has been a coup by 13 year old girls and it is now under "new management." I see that as the only possible explanation for this shirt having any kind of success."

sissyman, 1/31/2009 1:14:40 AM -"the thumbnail and the shirt comp are different. The cat and the dog stand closer to each other in the thumbnail.
The childish level is just over the top. I would love to see guys wearing this to gym thou. Now that would be hilarious!"

I left out the negative comments.

Paradox55


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Words cannot express my absolute horror over the popularity of this design disaster. What are you people thinking????

mrwednesday


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Albireo wrote:I really don't like this shirt, but I don't really give a koi if it wins or not. It'll sell, whether or not you guys stomp your feet and rage to the staff (who, I imagine, is interested in turning a profit). :D


The problem with this theory is that it really isn't that good for woot either in many cases. As we recently just saw the mythology alphabet climb quickly back into the fog to place second only to not sell out.

Not getting sell outs is not good for business for woot or anyone else. It just makes people wonder who is voting for these if no one actually plans on buying them.

iris420


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GroupA240 wrote:cool thanks for the help, its my first time.


That's what she said. ;)

Carpe shirtem!

TheCount101


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ever since "kid sizes" was made an option there has been may more of these types of shirt. It **%#$!# annoying. Not to mention that with a shirt like this, I'd be willing to bet that many people who voted aren't intending to buy it. They just liked the cute picture they saw. Will it still sell out despite all of this? Probably. But so would so many of these other designs, but now we'll never know because of garbage like this. Ramy and Sekiyou always seem to be behind these cutesy shirts. They're getting rich off of all of the teenage girls and stay-at-home moms of the world.

You have to crash and burn before you can rise from the ashes.

TheCount101


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striker138 wrote:I voted for this shirt, and I am a full grown adult man. I like simple designs, designs that make me chuckle, and designs clever and slightly off the norm. I am not a fan of overly artsy shirts, because I don't want to wear an art gallery, I want to wear a t-shirt. The best t-shirts are often the simplest imho.


no full grown man should wear this shirt. It's not ironic. You're old, stop trying to cling to your youth via what you think is a fun quirky shirt.

I too enjoy simple shirts. As I type I'm wearing the "I am taller than most things" shirt from the pixel derby. It's a giraffe. simple. But it doesn't have to be nauseatingly cute.

You have to crash and burn before you can rise from the ashes.

mjc613


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TheCount101 wrote:ever since "kid sizes" was made an option there has been may more of these types of shirt. It **%#$!# annoying. Not to mention that with a shirt like this, I'd be willing to bet that many people who voted aren't intending to buy it. They just liked the cute picture they saw. Will it still sell out despite all of this? Probably. But so would so many of these other designs, but now we'll never know because of garbage like this. Ramy and Sekiyou always seem to be behind these cutesy shirts. They're getting rich off of all of the teenage girls and stay-at-home moms of the world.


I do not believe that children are voting for these. And I have not seen posts from many mothers, stay-at-home or working out of the home.

I have no problem with cute shirts. Edgar's Amoeba and JadenKale's Nessie could both be considered cute, and I happily bought them. But they had better detail and had more individuality that this one. I really don't enjoy woot pandering to the lowest common denominator, but they are in business to make money.

radcoregirl


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byrbwr wrote:i don't like you after that pathetic winter dragon. but, to show that i vote based on design and not artist, you get my vote once more.


Agree. I want a shirt with a kitty on it. excuse me... im going to surf cheezburger now. :-/

Cassandra J Boyle

SaritaBeth


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mjc613 wrote:Some of the comments about this shirt from ShirtDerbyStats.com:


sissyman, 1/31/2009 1:14:40 AM -"the thumbnail and the shirt comp are different. The cat and the dog stand closer to each other in the thumbnail.
The childish level is just over the top. I would love to see guys wearing this to gym thou. Now that would be hilarious!"

I left out the negative comments.



you know, I hadn't noticed that before. good catch. how does that work then? since the thumbnail and the shirt comp don't match. doesn't woot usually reject stuff for that? I understand why Seki did that, so that people would see more of the picture in the thumbnail...but you are not supposed to do that. the thumbnail can be part of the design, but is supposed to match the the shirt comp. otherwise people think that in the shirt they are standing closer to each other.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

thethatcher


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theinfinityloop wrote:
I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


whooo, didn't vote for this shirt, don't want it to print, but... I imagine many of the votes from males fall into this category.

"I am a man and I voted for this shirt because my girlfriend doesn't have a woot account, but she knows I don't have any... spine." yeah, spine.

Zenverse


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mjc613 wrote:I do not believe that children are voting for these. And I have not seen posts from many mothers, stay-at-home or working out of the home.

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Just because they aren't posting, it doesn't mean they aren't voting or buying shirts. I believe that the people actually posting on the site are just a small fraction of the buyers here.

eHalcyon


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SaritaBeth wrote:you know, I hadn't noticed that before. good catch. how does that work then? since the thumbnail and the shirt comp don't match. doesn't woot usually reject stuff for that? I understand why Seki did that, so that people would see more of the picture in the thumbnail...but you are not supposed to do that. the thumbnail can be part of the design, but is supposed to match the the shirt comp. otherwise people think that in the shirt they are standing closer to each other.


I noticed that in the original derby but when I checked the thread I couldn't find my own post about it. Maybe I made it in the main derby thread. Or maybe I didn't post about it at all.

Anyway, woot has allowed *some* variation between design detail and comp in the past. My Alphabet derby entry had a design detail that rearranged elements, and it received an HM. A controversial design (controversial for this reason) in the Slogan derby had the text formatted differently and was printed.

I think the deciding factor is how much is misrepresents the actual shirt, and how likely it is that people will think it looks the way it is in the thumb. My Alphabet entry was such that most people would realize it was rearranged. The slogan one might have been troublesome, but it probably wouldn't have affected anybody's liking of the shirt, so it didn't matter.

In this case, I'd say it's just borderline. Being closer doesn't really change the design that much. It's up to woot, and I think they'll probably leave it alone.

On a side note, I find it amusing how different the tone is in this thread compared to the original. Also, in the thread for the original submission, someone asked sekiyoku if she had a deviant art and she replied "Nope :D". That was also amusing.

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Zenverse


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(Sorry for the double negatives in my previous post and for double posting)
I like the idea of the shirt and it is very cute. However, it's a little overly cutesy for me. It would be well suited for children though.

Honored


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Re: Optimistic Courtship



I think this is adorable. It makes me smile every time I look at it. It reminds me of that one animation I've seen floating around on the web with the cat and the rabbit. And one or the other's trying to get along by bringing them their favorite food, I think it was the rabbit bringing carrots..

Regardless, the placement doesn't bother me either- I don't have the 'large chest' concern.

And - in response to all the 'drama' I'm rather fond of the 'cutsey anime style shirts' because it's a style I love - and it's nothing you can readily buy anywhere else up here in frosty, far-removed Maine.

So thankyou,for your art!

Zebthemarmot


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vertigosia wrote:I think it's really too bad that this one's so high up, because it's easily my least favorite yours. Let Cake Eat Them > this one.


I agree. I do think this one is cute, but I would not buy it. I WOULD buy Let Cake Eat Them and wear it often.

hishandsare1


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iris420 wrote:If my boyfriend bought this for me, I'd stab out his eyes. Just sayin...


I too would partake in eye stabbing. Also...I like some of his shirts but this one should only be sold in kids sizes. Anyone bigger than that should probably just say no to this peace of classic artistic maturity.

instantkarma


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Even as a girl that's into anime, this shirt is definitely not for me...waaaay too cutesy.

Now, Kitsune - definitely peeved that didn't print.

Nightshooter


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


How did this get an HM?

Also, why are you voting for this?

Shenorock


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eHalcyon wrote: Also, in the thread for the original submission, someone asked sekiyoku if she had a deviant art and she replied "Nope :D". That was also amusing.


Haha that's funny, don't let Adder find out about that! ;)

scarrto


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instantkarma wrote:Even as a girl that's into anime, this shirt is definitely not for me...waaaay too cutesy.

Now, Kitsune - definitely peeved that didn't print.


The River Styx shirt should have won outright, and the Kitsune shirt was waaaay to pokemon, I personally dont like this design, seems too simple and plain, I even asked my 4yr daughter is she wanted it and she said no she didnt like it...might have been because it wasnt pink though...

scarrto


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Shenorock wrote:Haha that's funny, don't let Adder find out about that! ;)


some one let him know, i enjoy his banter

anyone ever think that the dog just might want a little tail (hahaha the filter for what i want to put is hilarious aka not Chuck Norris)

SaritaBeth


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eHalcyon wrote:I noticed that in the original derby but when I checked the thread I couldn't find my own post about it. Maybe I made it in the main derby thread. Or maybe I didn't post about it at all.

Anyway, woot has allowed *some* variation between design detail and comp in the past. My Alphabet derby entry had a design detail that rearranged elements, and it received an HM. A controversial design (controversial for this reason) in the Slogan derby had the text formatted differently and was printed.

I think the deciding factor is how much is misrepresents the actual shirt, and how likely it is that people will think it looks the way it is in the thumb. My Alphabet entry was such that most people would realize it was rearranged. The slogan one might have been troublesome, but it probably wouldn't have affected anybody's liking of the shirt, so it didn't matter.

In this case, I'd say it's just borderline. Being closer doesn't really change the design that much. It's up to woot, and I think they'll probably leave it alone.

On a side note, I find it amusing how different the tone is in this thread compared to the original. Also, in the thread for the original submission, someone asked sekiyoku if she had a deviant art and she replied "Nope :D". That was also amusing.


definitely interesting. I knew I could count on you for an answer Eric! :D see, my issue with the difference between the thumnail and the comp, is I would prefer the shirt as the thumnail. to me that makes better sense, and eliminates the "anime pasties" issue I abhor. I wouldn't get it either way mind you..but to me it definitely makes a difference.

and LAWL at the difference 6 weeks makes! even some of the same people...wow. too funny. I would hazard a guess and say its a combination of two things...one more so than another. I think the main reason is simply an overload of the same style/artists designs. it has brought out super critical people. and perhaps the people who didn't like it originally, are more vocal now because its competing against entries that are nearer and dearer to people's hearts. where people who didn't like it (myself included)just went "no" and moved on, its now worth taking the time to say something, as time and again these artists have shown their ability to get printed. the other is the drama. people get on a bandwagon, and there has been lots of speculation and whatnot going on for these 6 weeks, which is bound to have an effect. it doesn't seem to have slowed the voting down any.
I wondered at its placement now, as it was 5th in its derby, but here is in the fog from the beginning, against a bunch of other very different and unique entries. though in the original derby, this was competing against itself basically..both Seki and Ramy had designs in the fog already. and printed. meh. too much speculating makes my head hurt ahuhu.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

hooliganx


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theinfinityloop wrote:I am a man and I voted for this shirt because____________.


now that there are kid's sizes I would buy it for my 3 year old daughter.

But even before Woot introduced kids shirts, there were a LOT of winning shirts I could not imagine anyone over 12 wearing. I didn't vote for them at that time but do now if I think one of my kids would like it.

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I am a 30 year old male who voted for this shirt.

I will buy it for my daughter if it wins.

groosalugg


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eHalcyon wrote:
Also, in the thread for the original submission, someone asked sekiyoku if she had a deviant art and she replied "Nope :D". That was also amusing.


Yeah, in that same thread, seki also said:

sekiyoku wrote:
If this gets through then I think the only way is to make a new account and buy more from that account? But I don't think that's discouraged or anything, so it should be fine.

Nope. Making new accounts isn't discouraged at all, seki.....and you seem quite familiar with the idea.

heartluce


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groosalugg wrote:Nope. Making new accounts isn't discouraged at all, seki.....and you seem quite familiar with the idea.


Interesting....Groosalug, I finally remember the name from Angel! I loved that series.

ABenj


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


The thumbnail doesn't match the shirt comp.

Considering how many people vote just off thumbnail, that's a pretty significant infraction (and a resulting placement issue for female Wooters).

bhsuzycue


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Re: Lion's Pride


Please vote for the lion also - you gotta love a lion with a comb-over! I really want the lion shirt!!! : - )

fofmock


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


The amount of negativity in the anime-esque pictures of seki is amusing :P It gets lots and lots of votes, but simultaneously gets insulted beyond belief. I am a male, I like animals, and I like this design (not on a shirt that I would wear, but I like it none the less). Your style seems to be either loved, or hated, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground... None the less, keep up the designs, I've been around shirt.woot since the beginning (didn't actually make an account until my first purchase from woot though) and I like the simple funny designs, which you have effectively proven yourself since your recent arrival into the derbies.

thethatcher


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bhsuzycue wrote:Please vote for the lion also - you gotta love a lion with a comb-over! I really want the lion shirt!!! : - )

poor taste, I don't care if you hate this shirt and love the lion shirt, it's really pathetic to advertise in another shirt's thread.

mjc613


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ABenj wrote:The thumbnail doesn't match the shirt comp.

Considering how many people vote just off thumbnail, that's a pretty significant infraction (and a resulting placement issue for female Wooters).


Since this is a do-over derby, it is unlikely that it will be rejected, even though other shirts have been rejected for those very reasons.

HeartlineTwist


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groosalugg wrote:Nope. Making new accounts isn't discouraged at all, seki.....and you seem quite familiar with the idea.


I spread the hypocrisy on my toast for breakfast. I hope you realize that the amount of people that have admitted to having MULTIPLE accounts for Randoms and to buy more than 3 shirts is quite large.

Granted, I will give you that these people aren't accused of voting fraud, but if you're going to go with "multiple accounts bad," you really need to include ALL instances of multiple accounts.

heartluce


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HeartlineTwist wrote:I spread the hypocrisy on my toast for breakfast. I hope you realize that the amount of people that have admitted to having MULTIPLE accounts for Randoms and to buy more than 3 shirts is quite large.

Granted, I will give you that these people aren't accused of voting fraud, but if you're going to go with "multiple accounts bad," you really need to include ALL instances of multiple accounts.


How large? Because I have only seen several people say that on random days or to buy multiples for a team or something, not large amounts.

fablefire


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RidiculousLee


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It has been pointed out that the animals would be on the turnip. This should make you females think about your vote instead of casting votes towards anything that resembles cute. This design lacks ingenuity and is nothing more than use of charismatic megafauna.

So instead of voting for this design, think about all the guys that will have an excuse to stare, and take your girl votes back and vote for "Resist" instead. Please.

blahncblah


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RidiculousLee wrote:It has been pointed out that the animals would be on the turnip. This should make you females think about your vote instead of casting votes towards anything that resembles cute. This design lacks ingenuity and is nothing more than use of charismatic megafauna.

So instead of voting for this design, think about all the guys that will have an excuse to stare, and take your girl votes back and vote for "Resist" instead. Please.


Congratulations on your first post. You ARE ridiculous.

I'm all for railing against carp like this getting as many votes as it does (but, btw, you're not going to persuade the artist from voting for her own shirt), but to then advertise for another shirt is just really L.A.M.E.

Besides, everyone knows that Communist Dinosaurs is a better design to go vote for...

mjc613


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RidiculousLee wrote:It has been pointed out that the animals would be on the turnip.


Very funny filter. If woot has another text derby, I hope someone will submit a shirt that says TURNIP in the appropriate location. And make sure it's in a very cute color for the anime fans.

AdderXYU


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mjc613 wrote:Very funny filter. If woot has another text derby, I hope someone will submit a shirt that says TURNIP in the appropriate location. And make sure it's in a very cute color for the anime fans.


And then watch it get rejected for being a woot reference and inappropriate placement to boot.

pimaster


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I'm a guy, and I voted for this in the last derby because I know my girl would like it. But now that someone mentioned the "turnips" issue, I'm not sure...

That being said, I think there are much better designs in this derby.

woot!shirts I own:

SailorButterfly


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Nightshooter wrote:How did this get an HM?


Definitely one of the head-scratchers. Woot doesn't make any sense sometimes.

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mjc613


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Nightshooter wrote:How did this get an HM?

Someone at woot must have lost their pet that day. Grief can make you lose perspective. But everyone copes differently. I would probably print a shirt that my cat had shown an interest in as an editor's choice instead.

But I don't work for woot. And I haven't lost my cat.

HeartlineTwist


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heartluce wrote:How large? Because I have only seen several people say that on random days or to buy multiples for a team or something, not large amounts.


I would be willing to bet that it's enough to be statistically relevant. Hell, I would posit that even IF Ramy and Seki have multiple accounts to win, the number of users with multiple accounts actually OUTNUMBER them combined. Granted, I'm pulling numbers out of my ass, but I've seen several people own up to multiple accounts for that exact purpose, not to mention the multitude of people that obviously buy these shirts without ever posting on the forums.

Once again, the issue isn't really about how many. If it's wrong in one instance, it should be wrong in all instances. And no, that's not my theory toward law, that's my theory toward this site.

AdderXYU


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HeartlineTwist wrote:I would be willing to bet that it's enough to be statistically relevant. Hell, I would posit that even IF Ramy and Seki have multiple accounts to win, the number of users with multiple accounts actually OUTNUMBER them combined. Granted, I'm pulling numbers out of my ass, but I've seen several people own up to multiple accounts for that exact purpose, not to mention the multitude of people that obviously buy these shirts without ever posting on the forums.

Once again, the issue isn't really about how many. If it's wrong in one instance, it should be wrong in all instances. And no, that's not my theory toward law, that's my theory toward this site.


Agreed.

Multiple account voting is wrong no matter who is doing it. The only reason I'm singling anyone out is because the rest of woot, even those who have slipped up and proven they have extra accounts, do not have extensive evidence of system rigging well in excess of the one or two extras most wooters likely possess.

Yes, the number of extra accounts among wooters outnumbers Ramy and Seki even if every single one of Grim Optimism's 1800 votes was cast by one of them. but a couple thousand alternate accounts dispersed throughout a derby have no effect like 50 dedicated solely to the same entry every week.

sekiyoku


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AdderXYU wrote: The only reason I'm singling anyone out is because the rest of woot, even those who have slipped up and proven they have extra accounts, do not have extensive evidence of system rigging well in excess of the one or two extras most wooters likely possess.


You have evidence that there are some wooters with multiple accounts. You have no evidence that we have multiple accounts. If multiple accounts were what you really cared about, then you would be bringing up evidence of those wooters' accounts, since you actually are sure about them.

If multiple accounts are your concern, then I'll tell you this - the more you put us at the forefront of the debate, the less likely anything will be done. You can believe me or not, but the fact is that we do not have alternate accounts on woot. If your example of the "worst case" is us, and woot looks into it and finds that we have no alternate accounts, then they will think that you're just spewing koi.

In the opposite situation, if you present a detailed case that links to evidence of forum members admitting to having multiple accounts that they use to influence voting (I believe there are some examples, yes?), then woot might actually do an investigation. And if we have 50 alternate accounts, that would be pretty easy to find in this investigation. ;)

mrex99


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


I don't see why people are going out of their way to bash this design.

jmc613


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mjc613 wrote:Whether or not there was wrongdoing, you have no right to vandalize someone's name.


Yeah, man! Name vandalization is just totally rude!

Jambando


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Someone shoot that dog and put him and wooters everywhere out of their misery.

christermime


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Funny how suddenly this dropped out of the hotness. Someone run out of accounts?

mjc613


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jmc613 wrote:Yeah, man! Name vandalization is just totally rude!

And opening a duplicate account to trash someone is unethical.

HeartlineTwist


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christermime wrote:Funny how suddenly this dropped out of the hotness. Someone run out of accounts?


Oh, that's cute...wait...no...it's stupid. After all, apparently cute things are stupid, and this comment is both.

I mean, it would be SUSPICIOUS for the hotness votes to be all that high at all right now. The majority of the people that are GOING to vote in this derby already have.

I like how selective the accusations are. I mean, if you LOOK at all of Seki's entries in this derby, this one is the most likely to be doing well because of how it did the first time. But heavens no, that doesn't make sense, surely it must be vote tampering.

Even more important: VALENTINE'S DAY IS FREAKING 11 (almost 10) DAYS AWAY. This shirt screams V-Day.

Dinos had 727 votes in its Derby (4th Place)
This shirt had 976 votes (5th Place)
Resist had 595 votes (5th Place)
RTM had 624 votes (7th Place)
Wrath had 659 votes (4th Place)
Greedy Pirate had 657 votes (5th Place)
The Great Outdoor had 597 (4th Place)

In other words, by performance in their respective derbies, this shirt SHOULD be performing as it is, both in terms of hotness and fog. On top of that, I'm fairly certain that the Optimism derby had one of the highest if not THE highest voter turnout of the derbies eligible for this DTD.

But please, let's keep throwing around accusations and such. Sure, let's bang the drums armed with ED articles, but let's ignore numbers because they clearly must all be fake votes and false accounts.

Copo


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HeartlineTwist wrote:Oh, that's cute...wait...no...it's stupid. After all, apparently cute things are stupid, and this comment is both.

I mean, it would be SUSPICIOUS for the hotness votes to be all that high at all right now. The majority of the people that are GOING to vote in this derby already have.

I like how selective the accusations are. I mean, if you LOOK at all of Seki's entries in this derby, this one is the most likely to be doing well because of how it did the first time. But heavens no, that doesn't make sense, surely it must be vote tampering.

Even more important: VALENTINE'S DAY IS FREAKING 11 (almost 10) DAYS AWAY. This shirt screams V-Day.

Dinos had 727 votes in its Derby (4th Place)
This shirt had 976 votes (5th Place)
Resist had 595 votes (5th Place)
RTM had 624 votes (7th Place)
Wrath had 659 votes (4th Place)
Greedy Pirate had 657 votes (5th Place)
The Great Outdoor had 597 (4th Place)

In other words, by performance in their respective derbies, this shirt SHOULD be performing as it is, both in terms of hotness and fog. On top of that, I'm fairly certain that the Optimism derby had one of the highest if not THE highest voter turnout of the derbies eligible for this DTD.

But please, let's keep throwing around accusations and such. Sure, let's bang the drums armed with ED articles, but let's ignore numbers because they clearly must all be fake votes and false accounts.


tl;dr
learn to summarize.

AdderXYU


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Copo wrote:tl;dr
learn to summarize.


Summary:

"This had more votes than everything near it the first time. This is proof that the fact that it's doing so well isn't cheating, because the user would never have cheated the first time. I will now berate people for following misleading evidence from one source, and turn a blind eye toward evidence given from any other source, because the simplest solution is that there has been a widespread conspiracy against these two poor designers for well over half a year before they ever came here."

SailorButterfly


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HeartlineTwist wrote:
I mean, it would be SUSPICIOUS for the hotness votes to be all that high at all right now. The majority of the people that are GOING to vote in this derby already have.


And suddenly, this shirt is at the top of the hotness again right now.

It is rather odd how this shirt will not be in the hotness at all, be at the top it, and then not be in at all again...lather, rinse, repeat. Makes you wonder what the shirt is doing to get vote surges like that.

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AdderXYU


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SailorButterfly wrote:And suddenly, this shirt is at the top of the hotness again right now.

It is rather odd how this shirt will not be in the hotness at all, be at the top it, and then not be in at all again...lather, rinse, repeat. Makes you wonder what the shirt is doing to get vote surges like that.


SOMETHING TOTALLY LEGAL YOU CAN BE SURE OF THAT

nbrosas


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WhatsInAName wrote:

I say a cuteshirt.woot spin-off is necessary.


Wow, that is actually a sweet ass idea.

kawaiikes


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HeartlineTwist wrote:Oh, that's cute...wait...no...it's stupid. After all, apparently cute things are stupid, and this comment is both.

I mean, it would be SUSPICIOUS for the hotness votes to be all that high at all right now. The majority of the people that are GOING to vote in this derby already have.

I like how selective the accusations are. I mean, if you LOOK at all of Seki's entries in this derby, this one is the most likely to be doing well because of how it did the first time. But heavens no, that doesn't make sense, surely it must be vote tampering.

Even more important: VALENTINE'S DAY IS FREAKING 11 (almost 10) DAYS AWAY. This shirt screams V-Day.

Dinos had 727 votes in its Derby (4th Place)
This shirt had 976 votes (5th Place)
Resist had 595 votes (5th Place)
RTM had 624 votes (7th Place)
Wrath had 659 votes (4th Place)
Greedy Pirate had 657 votes (5th Place)
The Great Outdoor had 597 (4th Place)

In other words, by performance in their respective derbies, this shirt SHOULD be performing as it is, both in terms of hotness and fog. On top of that, I'm fairly certain that the Optimism derby had one of the highest if not THE highest voter turnout of the derbies eligible for this DTD.

But please, let's keep throwing around accusations and such. Sure, let's bang the drums armed with ED articles, but let's ignore numbers because they clearly must all be fake votes and false accounts.


It seems that people with a legitimately intelligent and sane perspective on this are becoming harder to find. So I feel I must praise you on having achieved what seems to be a rare feat. :]

The funny thing is that Adder wants to complain as much as possible, but when any mention of actually e-mailing Joel or anyone associated with shirt.woot and having them look into the possibility of Seki and Ramy having multiple accounts to boost their own shirts, he entirely ignores the comments.

Likely because he is just being a troll and doesn't want to even accept the possibility that he may be wrong, and that Seki and Ramy may just be honest artists whose shirts are popular for whatever reasons may be.

AdderXYU


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kawaiikes wrote:It seems that people with a legitimately intelligent and sane perspective on this are becoming harder to find. So I feel I must praise you on having achieved what seems to be a rare feat. :]

The funny thing is that Adder wants to complain as much as possible, but when any mention of actually e-mailing Joel or anyone associated with shirt.woot and having them look into the possibility of Seki and Ramy having multiple accounts to boost their own shirts, he entirely ignores the comments.

Likely because he is just being a troll and doesn't want to even accept the possibility that he may be wrong, and that Seki and Ramy may just be honest artists whose shirts are popular for whatever reasons may be.


I emailed joel months ago. there's not much to report or rejoinder on that his silence here doesn't say already.

Also, learn to define "troll" better.

HeartlineTwist


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AdderXYU wrote:Summary:

"This had more votes than everything near it the first time. This is proof that the fact that it's doing so well isn't cheating, because the user would never have cheated the first time. I will now berate people for following misleading evidence from one source, and turn a blind eye toward evidence given from any other source, because the simplest solution is that there has been a widespread conspiracy against these two poor designers for well over half a year before they ever came here."


More later, but this isn't "proof," but I'll put this up as an explanation for Seki's performance in this derby over any ED article or any past character evidence or anything. I'm saying my explanation makes enough sense to mitigate the idea that something fishy is going on.

Gah, you've been engaging me on this topic long enough to know that I'm not saying Ramy and Seki are clean, but all of these attempted slight digs are getting on my nerves because they ignore simple things to look at, like the vote totals directly from the Derby pages.

Josephus


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HeartlineTwist wrote:More later, but this isn't "proof," but I'll put this up as an explanation for Seki's performance in this derby over any ED article or any past character evidence or anything. I'm saying my explanation makes enough sense to mitigate the idea that something fishy is going on.

Gah, you've been engaging me on this topic long enough to know that I'm not saying Ramy and Seki are clean, but all of these attempted slight digs are getting on my nerves because they ignore simple things to look at, like the vote totals directly from the Derby pages.


You're using Occam's Razor, aren't you?

vewy cwever...

AdderXYU


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HeartlineTwist wrote:
Gah, you've been engaging me on this topic long enough to know that I'm not saying Ramy and Seki are clean, but all of these attempted slight digs are getting on my nerves because they ignore simple things to look at, like the vote totals directly from the Derby pages.


The issue is, if the question is "do these people cheat in voting", the answer isn't "no, look at their votes". They did well then, and they're doing well now. It follows just as logically that they cheated both times as it does that they're clean both times. They just couldn't overtake the other entries. And lets recall, they placed twice that derby... this particular half of the duo with STICK FIGURES. Maybe they weren't quite as concerned with juicing up a third shirt when they were already making a two grand, one off zero effort.

Though I do like this method if it works. I'll need to start laundering money, and when people accuse me, i will say "I can't be laundering money. Look how much money I have!" And it will all clear over

DeeDra


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


I voted for it. It is funny and cute. Will be great for kids. (some BIG kids too)

mjc613


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kawaiikes wrote:....., but when any mention of actually e-mailing Joel or anyone associated with shirt.woot and having them look into the possibility of Seki and Ramy having multiple accounts to boost their own shirts, he entirely ignores the comments.

Likely because ......

Much more likely because he has already contacted woot and they have not replied. None of us know what woot has found out or what they plan to do, since they have not contacted anyone. (Of course, it is possible that they have contacted Adder and swore him to secrecy.)

Since woot is not a huge company with a bank of operators waiting to take your call, they tend not to return pm's, etc. unless it has to do with tracing packages, etc. And that is how they keep the shirt price down.

Let's find a new topic. What is your favorite shirt color?

Emmazing


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


By far one of the cutest entries I've seen. I love it, and I would totally buy one. Awesome job on the design!!

strfsh


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Emmazing wrote:By far one of the cutest entries I've seen. I love it, and I would totally buy one. Awesome job on the design!!

strfsh


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Emmazing wrote:By far one of the cutest entries I've seen. I love it, and I would totally buy one. Awesome job on the design!!



Ditto. It would sell unbelievably well with animal shelter people -- I'd buy one for my whole shelter board of directors, who range in age from 18 - 65, and they'd love it.

jerroul


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I am a guy and although I would not wear this shirt, my wife would as well as my nieces. It is a very good design, cute animals, and heartwarming concept. I will probably buy 1-4.

Mongerty


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I voted for it, and would even wear it. I suppose I am secure enough in my masculinity to do that. (not to wear a pink shirt though). It is in fact gonna be a Valentines gift though.

I don't see why there is so much negativity, but whatever.

Sev


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re: optimistic courtship


i think this shirt is really cute

DeeDra


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Mongerty wrote:I voted for it, and would even wear it. I suppose I am secure enough in my masculinity to do that. (not to wear a pink shirt though). It is in fact gonna be a Valentines gift though.

I don't see why there is so much negativity, but whatever.


I agree about the negativity.

christermime


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


^Is there an echo in here?

tonymontana444


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lexicon2234 wrote:cute t-shirts.....pfft


ms paint! nice!

Reaper621


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


There's not a single shirt on this derby I would ever wear. However, I feel that you deserve a spot in this coming week's sales, because it is the cutest. :D;)

HeartlineTwist


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AdderXYU wrote:The issue is, if the question is "do these people cheat in voting", the answer isn't "no, look at their votes". They did well then, and they're doing well now. It follows just as logically that they cheated both times as it does that they're clean both times. They just couldn't overtake the other entries. And lets recall, they placed twice that derby... this particular half of the duo with STICK FIGURES. Maybe they weren't quite as concerned with juicing up a third shirt when they were already making a two grand, one off zero effort.

Though I do like this method if it works. I'll need to start laundering money, and when people accuse me, i will say "I can't be laundering money. Look how much money I have!" And it will all clear over


And what about the reverse? The only "evidence" there is to show that there is ANYTHING possibly going on is a bunch of stuff that happened in another community. Sure, it may be character evidence that shows that they'll do whatever they want to get ahead, etc., but it's no more hard and fast than following a wide range of vote totals and user participation overall.

As you mention, this issue can go either way. I've never argued differently. My point is, if you're going to bring an accusation, bring it. Don't try these sneaky little insinuations about stuff because it just looks silly.

Yes, I realize that if cheating has happened at any point, then it makes sense for the totals to be reflected. This isn't a justification for cheating, but unless Seki and Ramy have like...300 alternate accounts between them, it wouldn't really have changed the outcome now or in the past. Yes, I find it suspect that their shirts make it into the hotness at seemingly convenient times, but even THAT conclusion cannot lead me to the conclusion that they must have the number of accounts that most argue they do.

Given they DO actually have a fanbase which is apparent by a lot of comments from Wooters and comments in other communities, it's just as likely that they are coordinating voter assaults, which is completely legal as far as the rules go.

Yes, I agree that "b-b-but the votes" isn't the best way to go about things because of the fallacy you pointed out, but there's literally NOTHING else that comes close to being something in their favor they can actually counter accusations that have NO SPECIFIC BASIS. No one would listen to anyone else. We've had at least one poster admit that they link all of Seki's entries to a blog. The sales of their shirts have been consistently good, especially in relation to position in the derby. The 3,000 people that are buying these shirts are ALL eligible to vote. The highest winning vote total for any of them thus far has been 1800 for Ramy's Optimism entry. If they're buying these shirts in the way they are, they probably appreciate the style. Thus, it shouldn't be that hard to think that maybe, just maybe, these people are voting for them.

ramyb


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HeartlineTwist wrote:unless Seki and Ramy have like...300 alternate accounts between them, it wouldn't really have changed the outcome now or in the past.
...
The highest winning vote total for any of them thus far has been 1800 for Ramy's Optimism entry.


Adder is the one who always complains that they all look the same. So even if he wants to say that we have 300 accounts, or 500, or even 1000, he would still have to admit that 800 or more people voted for that design. If they really are all the same, why is it so hard to believe that 800 voted for a different one if at least 800 voted for one of them (and that's even given 1000 accounts, which would mean that I invested $10000 before seeing a single penny from woot- I don't even think Adder is estimating numbers that high :P)

smedgrick


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SarahPants5 wrote:I love this, it's too cute, I don't care what "street cred" I lose with this comment. :P


You have lost 2 reputation points with that comment.

eHalcyon


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SailorButterfly wrote:And suddenly, this shirt is at the top of the hotness again right now.

It is rather odd how this shirt will not be in the hotness at all, be at the top it, and then not be in at all again...lather, rinse, repeat. Makes you wonder what the shirt is doing to get vote surges like that.


There was nearly 5 hours between the comment that it wasn't in the hotness and this comment that it's at the top. I don't see why that's suspicious. Right now, tgentry's "Beginning of the End" is in the hotness. It wasn't in the hotness all the rest of the week. He must be cheating!

Seriously though.
Prior, well documented misconduct - suspicious.
A long, difficult-to-believe string of repeat wins by relative newcomers - suspicious.
An entry fluctuating in and out of the hotness like so many entries before it - decidedly not suspicious.

(Unofficial) Derby Rules (outdated?)
Designing for the Derby (definitely outdated)
Tips for New Designers (always useful)

groosalugg


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I don't like this shirt, and I'd never buy it, or wear it.

But I can see why *other people* would like it. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean that nobody does.

kwilder


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eHalcyon wrote:

Seriously though.
Prior, well documented misconduct - suspicious.
A long, difficult-to-believe string of repeat wins by relative newcomers - suspicious.
An entry fluctuating in and out of the hotness like so many entries before it - decidedly not suspicious.


I think this sounds very reasonable, eHalcyon.

HeartlineTwist


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kwilder wrote:I think this sounds very reasonable, eHalcyon.


Hi5 to eHalcyon for bringing the reasonability to the table!

databit


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re: optimistic courtship


Yay! this made it to the fog... And for those who are curious, yes, I am getting it for my wife... FOR VALENTINES DAY!

/humph.

majiksparkle


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planeshifter2 wrote:This.

Sekiyoku's shirt may be "low" art compared to some other entrants, but not everyone wants to go walking around with an art gallery on their torso.

Also I'm a guy and I voted for this shirt because I felt like it.


Exactly! I voted for this the first time and I voted for it this time. I think it's cute and I'd buy it. I only own one woot shirt I would consider "arty" (the mantis/ladybug shirt) but tons of the shirts many of you would consider "lowbrow" (although I'm wearing the flying ice cream truck/bombpop shirt as I type). Just because some of us might not be active in the forums doesn't mean we are dummy accounts.

Outside a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read.

nickgwyn


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Yes yes yes!

AdderXYU


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majiksparkle wrote:Exactly! I voted for this the first time and I voted for it this time. I think it's cute and I'd buy it. I only own one woot shirt I would consider "arty" (the mantis/ladybug shirt) but tons of the shirts many of you would consider "lowbrow" (although I'm wearing the flying ice cream truck/bombpop shirt as I type). Just because some of us might not be active in the forums doesn't mean we are dummy accounts.


::whistles to himself and strolls away::

majiksparkle


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AdderXYU wrote:::whistles to himself and strolls away::


And with that, you just made my mind up that you have no real "proof". I'm not a dummy account, I've been active since June (although I don't care enough to post most of the time), and between boyfriend and I, we own about 25 woot shirts. So if you think that everyone who doesn't agree with you and doesn't waste all their time on Woot is a dummy account, you are an genius.

Outside a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read.

amygirl


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


You know, I love woot. I don't love every shirt (but I don't hate on the ones I don't like, I just don't buy them/vote for them). This one I'm sad that I missed the first time... it's actually something that speaks a little deeper to me than "cute anime animals". We know that cat will take the fish and claw the dog's heart out. That's how cats are. Jerks. And the dog will keep going back with more fish... because that's how dogs are. Dumb.

Just like the cute squirrel offering up a nut to death, this shirt tells a tale of a grimmer kind of optimism. The kind that causes people to chase after the wrong person and wind up hurt. I see this shirt's story as thus:

"I've been in love with him for so long. I know everything about him. I know his favorite place to nap in the sun, the birds he hates, and his favorite kind of fish. We've been friends for so long, I know he knows everything about me, too. I mean, he knows just how to ask me for something so that I'll do it. He knows how I'll react when he tells me about his latest heartbreak. He knows just how much I care about him.

"I know someday he'll come around, and stop getting into these flings with all the other cats around, and see how unique I really am. I'm not just another cat, you see. I'm a puppy. And someday, I'll be a dog. We're faithful, you know. Loyal to the end. And he'll figure that out. What is love if it isn't patience and caring?"

That's why I voted for this shirt... to get as an ironic gift for friends of mine (male and female) who think they'll get out of the "friend zone" and finally get that tragic jerk with loads of drama and child support to pay to finally love them.

While you're all trying to figure out this shirt and how any intelligent person could enjoy/want it... consider that maybe you don't get it because you're the one lacking the mental function that would enable you to process the idea that people have different tastes and ideas about things. I think that function is called "thought" or, taking it up a notch, "empathy".

So, I'm a chick, I'm gonna buy this for a man (and a chick), who won't get why I'm giving it to them. And don't know what woot is. Cuz if they did, I'm sure they'd be angry that I feel this way about their love lives.

(Sorry if my cynicism ruined the shirt for anyone, I actually did that to the squirrel one for my boyfriend. And now this one.)

mjc613


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amygirl wrote:Really long post about some people she knows.

Sorry, I got lost somewhere in there. Can you just repeat the important parts? I have a short attention span.

jerroul


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Thank you eHalcyon and Heartline Twist for injecting a sense of reason into all of this. amy girl, I loved your story, although I had really "read" that the cat was the girl. Have to admit it does seem more often the way you saw it in relationships I've observed...

kmausi90


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I want it!!!! it's sooooo adorable

kmausi90


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I want it!!!! it's sooooo adorable

cmdixon2


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mjc613 wrote:Sorry, I got lost somewhere in there. Can you just repeat the important parts? I have a short attention span.


Take it easy, she's been saving all that up for over a year. :P

amygirl


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jerroul wrote:Thank you eHalcyon and Heartline Twist for injecting a sense of reason into all of this. amy girl, I loved your story, although I had really "read" that the cat was the girl. Have to admit it does seem more often the way you saw it in relationships I've observed...


I figured most people would read the cat as the girl, and I have seen the situation both ways. But I think along the lines of tomcats and, well. Hm. You know. Female dogs. Maybe I'm not that creative for thinking like that.

All I was trying to point out is that with simple design, people take what they will from it. More complex designs require a broader frame of reference. I own Mario in Rembrandt. Perfect example of a shirt that's awesome, but only to a small audience that quickly recognizes both classic art styles and video game culture. It dropped in its first reckoning, I believe. Personally, I didn't get the RESIST shirt at first. My boyfriend had to explain it to me. I'm not afraid to admit that. Now that I get it, it's pretty cool, but I'm still not interested in buying it. (I do have integrity.)

smedgrick


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amygirl wrote: Personally, I didn't get the RESIST shirt at first. My boyfriend had to explain it to me. I'm not afraid to admit that. Now that I get it, it's pretty cool, but I'm still not interested in buying it. (I do have integrity.)


I wouldn't call that integrity.

I'm just altogether against the whole inter-species relationships - that's how godawful shows like Catdog are born.

kcman011


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smedgrick wrote:I wouldn't call that integrity.

I'm just altogether against the whole inter-species relationships - that's how godawful shows like Catdog are born.


Hey, now! Don't go dissin' on my beloved Catdog! LMAO

HeartlineTwist


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amygirl wrote:I figured most people would read the cat as the girl, and I have seen the situation both ways. But I think along the lines of tomcats and, well. Hm. You know. Female dogs. Maybe I'm not that creative for thinking like that.

All I was trying to point out is that with simple design, people take what they will from it. More complex designs require a broader frame of reference. I own Mario in Rembrandt. Perfect example of a shirt that's awesome, but only to a small audience that quickly recognizes both classic art styles and video game culture. It dropped in its first reckoning, I believe. Personally, I didn't get the RESIST shirt at first. My boyfriend had to explain it to me. I'm not afraid to admit that. Now that I get it, it's pretty cool, but I'm still not interested in buying it. (I do have integrity.)


I think people would be more okay with shirts like this winning if a majority of the people thought of it the way you do. I can almost guarantee you that maybe 1% of people that buy this shirt have put anywhere near that much thought into the design.

Because you mentioned it, I think Grim Optimism had a wider variety of interpretations than this, but I digress.

smedgrick wrote:I wouldn't call that integrity.

I'm just altogether against the whole inter-species relationships - that's how godawful shows like Catdog are born.


I would posit it IS an example of integrity (in a sense) to not buy/wear a shirt you don't understand initially. I mean, yes, there's different levels of meaning and such, but if you didn't get the electrical resistance point of the design, you completely missed it on that one.

smedgrick


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HeartlineTwist wrote:I would posit it IS an example of integrity (in a sense) to not buy/wear a shirt you don't understand initially. I mean, yes, there's different levels of meaning and such, but if you didn't get the electrical resistance point of the design, you completely missed it on that one.



Takin' it back to the original forum, i see? I can dig it.

However, I would say there is no honor in understanding a shirt you wear - you should be expected to "get it" to some degree. If someone wears sekiyoku's Birth of the Moon and goes around saying "uh, dis is mai shirt and its about a beetle in space, and i gots it cuz i liek teh preeety colurz... and teh beetle, withc i named sam" then I would think less of them, but if they understood what the shirt was about (title gives it away) then they have merely fulfilled my expectation.

I guess I'm just hard to please.

amygirl


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smedgrick wrote:Takin' it back to the original forum, i see? I can dig it.

However, I would say there is no honor in understanding a shirt you wear - you should be expected to "get it" to some degree. If someone wears sekiyoku's Birth of the Moon and goes around saying "uh, dis is mai shirt and its about a beetle in space, and i gots it cuz i liek teh preeety colurz... and teh beetle, withc i named sam" then I would think less of them, but if they understood what the shirt was about (title gives it away) then they have merely fulfilled my expectation.

I guess I'm just hard to please.


I said I had integrity, I said nothing about honor. And, just because I can, I'd like to point out that by definition, if someone fulfills expectations, they are displaying integrity. (No, seriously, look it up.)

Maybe you're confusing integrity with a word that means "exceeds expectations". Ah: excellence. I never laid claim to that. Elitism is the pits, even if it is easy.

smedgrick


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amygirl wrote:I said I had integrity, I said nothing about honor. And, just because I can, I'd like to point out that by definition, if someone fulfills expectations, they are displaying integrity. (No, seriously, look it up.)

Maybe you're confusing integrity with a word that means "exceeds expectations". Ah: excellence. I never laid claim to that. Elitism is the pits, even if it is easy.



I'd consider integrity and honor synonyms, and i could not find any sign of the definition that you have.

As for my "confusion," if someone shows integrity, they do exceed my expectations of them as a person, though the actual meaning of the word is: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness."

My initial reaction to your first post was because it sounded like you thought there was some connection between having good character and admitting that you didn't get a shirt so you wouldn't wear it.

You said, however, that "elitism = bad" so perhaps my first thoughts of you were wrong. I don't know, but I do hold someone with integrity to a high regard, so that's why your comment made me respond.

Reaper621


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Re: Optimistic Courtship


Congrats! I was really hoping you would win, it was the best choice of all the shirts up there.

requiem2104


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re: optimistic courtship


Man!! I'm so sad I missed this shirt!! is it even remotely possible to still get it somehow?

smedgrick


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requiem2104 wrote:Man!! I'm so sad I missed this shirt!! is it even remotely possible to still get it somehow?


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