Derby #92: Steampunk
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ramyb


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Saved

jewelwing


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Love it!

xaon


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Wow this is amazing, Ramyb! I really love both the illustration and colors

databit


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Excellent work RamyB!

databit


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Excellent work RamyB!

databit


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OH, and welcome back, I did not see you last week.

haydawn


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LOVE IT!!! as I do most of your designs! I sure hope this one makes it onto the smooth cotton of a shirt! I don't have brown woot shirt yet, and I'd sure like to add this one to my collection

jasneko


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cute.


ErinS1121


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This reminds me of the Iron Giant, which I love - definitely GMV!

Leahbh


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aww. cute. i like it.

Icemank91


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I'm waiting for some one to say the robot's proportions are way off. ;)

Nice job ramyb! Probably one of my favorites of yours this year. =)

crispycream926


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U win! GMV =]

braveBebe


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This looks awesome, hope you win!

erei


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ahh I love this!!

MissRebeccaF


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I love this! Very well done.

byrbwr


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wow, it's as if all your ideas are all exactly the same or something! try new ideas. why is it always 'cute X + not cute Y' together?'

braveBebe


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byrbwr wrote:wow, it's as if all your ideas are all exactly the same or something! try new ideas. why is it always 'cute X + not cute Y' together?'


What are you talking about? The robot is cute too!

SeraphSix


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Too much like Grim Optimism!
Get rid of the dog!

melite


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[quote postid="3157079" user="Icemank91"]I'm waiting for some one to say the robot's proportions are way off. ;)
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That's part of why I like it, it's not supposed to look super high tech.

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elwayman02


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mmm, The Iron Giant, anyone?

ack154


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I'm not sure I see "steampunk" in this. I mean, it's obviously a giant steam powered robot... but when I see actual steampunk stuff online, this makes me think of none of it.

I actually like the robot though (could do without the dog IMO, but I see where you're going).

dangurous


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it's another ramyb shirt that you can tell it's ramyb just by the thumbnail. excellent work as always. gmv.

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hmmxkrazee


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The textures on the robot are friggin amazing. Great work! May I ask how you did them? jeje

And what do you use to draw? a Tablet? Photoshop?

koronae


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Grim Optimism Vers. 2. Really disappointing. The dog also looks utterly terrible in comparison to the robot.

Paradox55


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[quote postid="3157340" user="ack154"]I'm not sure I see "steampunk" in this.

I agree, my first thought was NOT steampunk at all. Why the dog for the thumbnail instead of the design that was intended to fit the derby?

dijin


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The robot looks cool. Doesn't exaclty make me think of steampunk though. The overall design is nice but is not unique.

ramyb


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Thanks everyone for the support, glad that some of you are liking the design

hmmxkrazee wrote:The textures on the robot are friggin amazing. Great work! May I ask how you did them? jeje

And what do you use to draw? a Tablet? Photoshop?


The textures were...fairly complicated to do, honestly :P Some parts are a simple linear halftone done in photoshop, and then that is juxtaposed next to a square halftone that was done from a combination of gradient>grain>motion blur>watercolor>dry strokes>cutout, made into a square halftone. The colors of the differently shaped halftones were varied using my 6 colors, and then I hand-textured over the entire thing just with the brush tool Hope that explains things to some degree- And to answer your other question, it is in fact tablet+photoshop.

braveBebe wrote:What are you talking about? The robot is cute too!


I think he was referring to the dog as the not cute one ;)

I just wanted to quickly address some of the comments related to the "steampunkness" of this design. I wanted to include the dog to create a clear contrast, but at the same time show the humanity of the robot. The original design was actually a train instead of the dog, but I decided that I preferred the dog because it showed a more emotional side of the robot in a subtle way. I think everything about the robot says steampunk, from the colors to the gears to the shapes chosen, and I don't think the presence of the dog changes that. Clearly, the dog makes up a very small portion of the design. The reason I chose the dog as the thumbnail was to try to get people to click to see why a dog was entered in the steampunk derby, only to find that it's mainly a picture of a giant robot. I wanted to make the robot awkwardly cute while maintaining it's large size, and hopefully I achieved that. I'm sorry to anyone who thinks that this design is unoriginal, etc., but I think I achieved what I was going for fairly well.

Thanks again to those who have left kind words about the design

Tabernack


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Back up to old antics are we? I'm waiting for the Punk part of SteamPunk to come in... oh wait..

hasdgfas


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So I feel like steam-powered =/= steampunk.
This doesn't feel "rough" enough for steampunk.
You'd never see a dog in steampunk. Ever. Especially one that looks like that.

ramyb


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Tabernack wrote:Back up to old antics are we? I'm waiting for the Punk part of SteamPunk to come in... oh wait..


I love how my choice of style is considered "antics." Next time I'll try not to step out of line, and I'll do exactly what you want to see to avoid being scolded.

SeraphSix


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ramyb wrote:I love how my choice of style is considered "antics." Next time I'll try not to step out of line, and I'll do exactly what you want to see to avoid being scolded.


Brown squirrel => Brown dog
Acorn => Bone
Large Reaper => Large Robot

Am I missing something?

koronae


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ramyb wrote:I love how my choice of style is considered "antics." Next time I'll try not to step out of line, and I'll do exactly what you want to see to avoid being scolded.


I think antics is a pretty good word to describe your continual submitting of rehashed designs. Trust me, changing things up for a couple of weeks and then going right back to your sure to win googly eyed animal stuff pretty much reeks of "antics".

Edit: Gimmick might be a more appropriate word, but my point stands.

ramyb


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koronae wrote:I think antics is a pretty good word to describe your continual submitting of rehashed designs. Trust me, changing things up for a couple of weeks and then going right back to your sure to win googly eyed animal stuff pretty much reeks of "antics".

Edit: Gimmick might be a more appropriate word, but my point stands.


Continual submitting, as in I did two designs that you consider similar 3 months apart? I feel that if I do a design that's a "googly eyed animal" once every 5 or 6 weeks, it's more of an exception than a rule. It amazes me that every week that I don't do a cute animal, people say that it's great to see something different from me, when I rarely submit cute animals anymore. On top of that, this design is not a "googly eyed animal" at all. In fact, you can hardly see the animal's eye in the design because it's so small.

Anyway, I'm done defending this design. I put a lot of time into it, I'm happy with it, and it's different from the rest of the entries in the derby. I think I accomplished my mission.

mllemeranii


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Well at least we know that you and Seki are perfect for each other. Unoriginal, and inspired by children's movies.

theshizzler


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Isn't anyone else tired of these designs yet? You know, the ones where something cute is juxtaposed with something else in an 'ironic' way?

nrarmen


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Man you guys never cut Ramyb any slack...

I think adding the dog is a nifty idea for the contrast. I'm glad it has purpose and I enjoy subtlety. Overall I don't feel love for the design though. It's hard to explain but I don't like the robot and the size of the print.

Not that my opinion totally matters anyway but at least I critiqued the design instead of QQing about the designer. Even if you hate his stuff you can't deny Ramyb has artistic talent.

koronae


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theshizzler wrote:Isn't anyone else tired of these designs yet? You know, the ones where something cute is juxtaposed with something else in an 'ironic' way?


No way. I can't imagine anyone being tired of such a thing. Also, one more point I'd like to make. This is much more retro-futurism in style than it is steampunk. Then again, 90% of the entries involving robots are as well.

(Also, I've never denied Ramyb doesn't have talent. I just believe that he often fails to utilize it. Go look at the art he did before he got into the anime cutsie BS.)

DavidShenoda


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It's too much like the grim reaper shirt. I think that this could cause people not to vote or buy it. Maybe...

Either way it is a cool design. Good linework and I like your lighting/rendering more than most - with the exception of zenne, the halftone master.

Good luck.

tjwood


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Regardless of whether or not I like the design concept, the robot looks odd. I think this is because the shoulder and hip joints are at weird angles. If this really were a mechanical robot the legs and arms would move at very odd angles to the body. Took me a while to figure out that is why it seemed weird, though on first glance I could instantly tell something was slightly wrong.

felloffthebus


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I'm gonna come out and say this looks just like grim optimism. You have drawing talent, but you haven't used any artistic talent in a while.

goldenthorn


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This is not Steampunk.

folkkevi


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wow, you managed to take a completely awesome steampunk robot and ruin it with a cartoon dog.

Ditch the dog and resub.

Copo


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folkkevi wrote:wow, you managed to take a completely awesome steampunk robot and ruin it with a cartoon dog.

Ditch the dog and resub.


Or kill the dog. Have him poking a dog's corpse.

mikenytola


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Don't feed the flame by responding to people who don't like your design. Who cares if it's like the grim reaper, everybody has a style and it's always bound to repeat itself sometime. No biggie to me.

I think the design is well done. I'd consider voting for it if you resub and either replace the dog with perhaps a steampunk dog or plant or animal or whatever, just more steampunk to keep the theme. You can get the same effect that you are going for imo.

Keep up the good work, and submit some animals again. Who cares what people do not like, it's the people who like it that matters most. If they don't like it, then they don't have to vote for it. It's easier to do then complain about somebody's design. ;)

braveBebe


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folkkevi wrote:wow, you managed to take a completely awesome steampunk robot and ruin it with a cartoon dog.

Ditch the dog and resub.


copo wrote:Or kill the dog. Have him poking a dog's corpse.


noob wrote:Isn't anyone else tired of these designs yet? You know, the ones where something cute is juxtaposed with something else in an 'ironic' way?


Come on blow off some steam, punks!
This looks way better than any other entry in this derby.

me2you


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I can't believe that people are hitting this so hard... Ignore them Ramyb - they are just bored and don't have anything better to do. ;-P

I absolutely love everything about this design and look forward to wearing it! (Obviously many others like it too... numbers are louder than the select few who like to complain.)

Best of luck!

fredv


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I guess there are lots of folks not tired of this style as ramyb often makes the fog and then sells out. Doesn't seem like a bad idea to "rehash the same idea" if people like it.

SeraphSix


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fredv wrote:I guess there are lots of folks not tired of this style as ramyb often makes the fog and then sells out. Doesn't seem like a bad idea to "rehash the same idea" if people like it.




It's STILL FOR SALE. If you want a shirt like this, buy the one that is STILL FOR SALE.

Stormink


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Wow. Exactly like a shirt you already made. Can woot please reject for copying their own art? Cuz thats whats happened.

Also, maybe this doesn't bother anyone else, but when I have a robot drawn with gizmoes and cranks and things I usually like them to make some common sense. In case you guys didn't notice, Ramy basically just drew a human and put lines and rivets across it. Most of the connects make absolutely no sense. For [*#$#*$$%$*^#$] thing has shoes. You should really take time to investigate your own subject matter next time.

Did anyone else LOL when he claimed that he barely draws cutesy animals anymore?

[MOD: tsk tsk, language]

anmllover86


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I like this one a lot, great concept well drawn, nice work.

anmllover86


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mikenytola wrote: Who cares if it's like the grim reaper, everybody has a style and it's always bound to repeat itself sometime. No biggie to me.

I think the design is well done. I'd consider voting for it if you resub and either replace the dog with perhaps a steampunk dog or plant or animal or whatever, just more steampunk to keep the theme. You can get the same effect that you are going for imo.


I agree that a steampunk dog would have the same effect, but I like it as is too.

jesekker


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this is excellent. and it totally reminds me of iron giant. which is a fabulous movie for all of you all who don't know what i'm talking about. kudos to you. i would totally buy one.

Selene1212


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I love your cute animals, and wish you'd submit more. ::shrug::

As for people crying about the art... Are you even serious? Obviously if she's frequently winning it means there is something to the design, whether you're jealous of her or not. This is a business. Sorry if your designs (people complaining, not Ramyb!) aren't good enough to win.

JMO, keep rockin' it Ramyb!!!

taraxgoesxboom


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I really like this =)

carlover323


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mllemeranii wrote:Well at least we know that you and Seki are perfect for each other. Unoriginal, and inspired by children's movies.


YOU ARE A HATER!!! GROW UP! no need to chastise, you don't like it, dont vote and move on with your life.

ramy, GMV!! AND I LOVE MY GRIM OPTIMISM SHIRT.

Tanapangarap


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I have nothing to say about ramyb's latest designs, but it is getting amusing seeing the poor responses being made by his supporters against the critics. Case in point:

Selene1212 wrote:Obviously if she's frequently winning it means there is something to the design

Yes, it means a lot of people like it. However, it seems that you may be implying more: that, somehow, popularity correlates with quality, which is simply not the case. Popularity may often coincide with quality, but it is not necessarily a reliable indicator of it (e.g., most people in the less enlightened age when medical practice was in its infancy used to believe in a variety of medical practices that were not actually useful). I am not going to argue what constitutes quality designs because that is not my point: I am only arguing that popularity does not necessarily mean that something is of greater quality than something that is less popular.

Note: As I said "it seems that you may be implying more", please note that I understand you may not have been implying that popularity necessarily means quality.

Selene1212 wrote:whether you're jealous of her or not.

Either/or fallacy.

This is interesting, because I see it a lot: people like you like to think that if somebody is criticizing a design, it must be because he is jealous. Why is it that you cannot believe that someone has an honest motive for criticizing a design? Maybe he genuinely simply believes that the design is bad (whatever that means).

Selene1212 wrote:Sorry if your designs (people complaining, not Ramyb!) aren't good enough to win.

A critic does not have to be a designer who wins a lot to make a valid point in his criticism. However, I do not think you really believe it anyway; you just wanted to make a jab at the critics. Too bad it was such a poorly executed jab.

Get with The Program.

byrbwr


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i just threw up a little in my mouth when i saw this in the fog. come on people, don't tell me you're all morons who just like cute doggies and poorly drawn robots?

Stuntdummy


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I see a dog and a giant robot.

I'm not sure making steam come out of a robot properly catches the "steam punk" idea. I find this, as I find many of Ramyb's works, sub-par on the originality and accuracy-to-the-theme scales. And yet, it's always fogged.
But I don't blame Ramyb, because lots of contenders submit sub-par work; I blame the voters who continually eat this stuff up.

Tell me people, HOW DO YOU DO IT? What compels you? If I submitted a masterpiece and Ramyb submitted a shirt with a pile of excrement on it, by your voting record I would still lose! I'm flabbergasted...

Stuntdummy


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byrbwr wrote:i just threw up a little in my mouth when i saw this in the fog. come on people, don't tell me you're all morons who just like cute doggies and poorly drawn robots?


But idz'a puppy wuppy! And uh wobot! Wobot+puppy wuppy=foggy woggy.

Rabyb's voting base may be a mile long, but it's only an inch deep.

bandit8463


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This is adorable and I'm ignoring every other guppy-tastic comment here. People can dislike it, but they take this stuff too seriously. It's just a damn t-shirt after all.

Also, I don't think the dog should be changed to a robot or anything else, that would change the whole idea, and would then not be clever. A robot playing with a robot dog is a laem idea.

ShirtFight


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Nice use of halftones and a great illy!

krouth


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Stuntdummy wrote:But idz'a puppy wuppy! And uh wobot! Wobot+puppy wuppy=foggy woggy.

Rabyb's voting base may be a mile long, but it's only an inch deep.



Perfect comment! He's laughing all the way to the bank...

krouth


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braveBebe wrote:Come on blow off some steam, punks!
This looks way better than any other entry in this derby.


Are you on crack?!? There are a LOT of other designs in this derby that are better than this...

Fujiko


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Stormink wrote:Wow. Exactly like a shirt you already made. Can woot please reject for copying their own art?


I appear to be in the minority here, but this design doesn't remind me of Grim Optimism. I didn't think of the similarity until it was mentioned in this thread.

Is it laid out similarly? Yes. (It is from the same artist, after all.)

Is the feel the same? Not to me.

I found Grim Optimism quite depressing, actually. This shirt is adorable. I see a robot who is going to play, not Death.

braveBebe


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krouth wrote:Are you on crack?!? There are a LOT of other designs in this derby that are better than this...


Yeah sorry, I couldn't help it, I took some crack so it looked way better yesterday...
Jk, but guess you're right, RamyB's other entry looks better. And Seki's shirt looks awesome. And you know why they stand out? Because they aren't true steampunk style. Thats a good thing trust me. You say there are a LOT of other better entries? come on list some examples.

You know how much similar shirt ideas there are? I'm thinking that maybe to someone a grim reaper looks alittle different than a giant robot.

Copo


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braveBebe wrote:Yeah sorry, I couldn't help it, I took some crack so it looked way better yesterday...
Jk, but guess you're right, RamyB's other entry looks better. And Seki's shirt looks awesome. And you know why they stand out? Because they aren't true steampunk style. Thats a good thing trust me. You say there are a LOT of other better entries? come on list some examples.

You know how much similar shirt ideas there are? I'm thinking that maybe to someone a grim reaper looks alittle different than a giant robot.


More importantly, why did you quote me? All I did was suggest a SLIGHT change in content.

mrgodly


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i really really really hope this gets printed, i feel this is better that all the other entree's ahead of it

kylemittskus


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I get it! You stole the concept of Iron Giant and added a cute dog with a bone because the description of the derby didn't say no incidental, typical ramyb/Sekeiyu, f-ing animals! Very origina... Wait a second...

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

mrgodly


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braveBebe wrote:Come on blow off some steam, punks!
This looks way better than any other entry in this derby.


i strongly agress

narkus


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Copo wrote:Or kill the dog. Have him poking a dog's corpse.


ewwwwwwwwwww...no dog killing


narkus


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i'm not a ramy or seki fan and agree with the criticism, but i like this one for some reason anyway


drainhts


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braveBebe wrote:
Jk, but guess you're right, RamyB's other entry looks better. And Seki's shirt looks awesome. And you know why they stand out? Because they aren't true steampunk style. Thats a good thing trust me.


Okay, I have no interest in railing against anyone on this site, but explain to me how

1.) NOT adhering to the style of the derby is supposed to be a positive, and

2.) how NOT adhering to steampunk style is a GOOD thing in a derby specifically designed around that very theme, especially when there are actually people who *GASP* LIKE steampunk style.

Stormink


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bandit8463 wrote:
Also, I don't think the dog should be changed to a robot or anything else, that would change the whole idea, and would then not be clever.


Clever. LOL.

SaritaBeth


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wow. I have been gone for quite a while, and come back with anticipation and excitement for a steam punk derby...and the fog is this? I wasn't going to say something but after looking over the entries I feel compelled to.

I am sorry Raymb, but this is wrong on several levels.

1) the robot screams iron giant. the face, the expression, the hands, everything but the color.

2) a anime dog? in steam punk design? you said it yourself, you included it as the thumbnail to make people click to see what the heck a cute dog was doing in an steampunk design. that should be the first clue that it doesn't fit the theme.

3) the description and link to the wiki entry is clear on what steampunk is. how is this steampunk and not just anime? I feel like I have seen this cartoon before. steampunk is about invention and innovation and taking 19th century technology and running with it. this accomplishes none of it. and the composition is also very much like your grim optimism shirt.

the textures on the robot are well done. but they also conflict massively with the dog. overall I am just so disappointed that this is what makes it into the fog for a steampunk contest. gah.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

ChefRAZ


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the dog needs to be made into robot soup. it's crappy.

braveBebe


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Copo wrote:More importantly, why did you quote me? All I did was suggest a SLIGHT change in content.


But you have to admit that was a good one. Blow off some steam punks? Get it? Steampunks, haha jk. This whole steampunk idea is getting to my head. Its just that steampunk style looks kinda weird for a shirt IMHO. Just not my style, so don't go all Ghangho about it.

braveBebe


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drainhts wrote:Okay, I have no interest in railing against anyone on this site, but explain to me how

1.) NOT adhering to the style of the derby is supposed to be a positive, and

2.) how NOT adhering to steampunk style is a GOOD thing in a derby specifically designed around that very theme, especially when there are actually people who *GASP* LIKE steampunk style.


I know people like it, Sorry if I sounded too offensive about it, but I was just stating my opinion. Its not that I like it when people ignore the theme but that I dislike the theme itself. Just dosen't fit my liking. I'm not looking for the shirts that are the most artistc, ones that fit the theme most, or ones that have Jakie Chan in them. I'm simply choosing the ones that I would want to wear.

Hey, im liking most of the top entries so im not exactally like The Great Gatsby here... Oh wait, Great Gatsby doesn't like the top entries. Hmmm.

ZMaiden


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Tabernack wrote:Back up to old antics are we? I'm waiting for the Punk part of SteamPunk to come in... oh wait..


Punk and Steampunk are two completely different genres that have nothing to do with each other.


So, I really like this shirt. I'm a big fan of Steampunk in general. I think my favorite part of this design is the humanity displayed by the robot, which I feel is pinpointed in his stooped dis-proportionate demeanor. I think some of the problems that people are having with this design come from misunderstanding. Steampunk is a style. You have built your own story into this design and styled it steampunk. A derby theme like this is much different from one like "Trees" or "TV show titles". This is similar to the "Art Deco" theme. With a derby theme like this, not every element of the design has to have gears I much prefer the dog over say, a person or another mechanical element. I like the contrast, and I like the story it tells. I am so impressed by the textures in this, I think I should be able to feel it through the monitor.

For the record, I really don't understand people saying all your designs look alike. Yes, some have similar layouts, or incorporate similar elements, but many designers do that in their designs. Even Draxx, whose designs never seem to be ragged on, incorporates many similar elements into his designs.

braveBebe


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accident

Stormink


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Honestly this isn't even Steampunk. All you did was draw the iRobot and put some cogs on his joins which don't make sense. And then added a stack of steam coming out of his back.

I can't believe this isn't rejected on so many counts.

masterxuln


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byrbwr wrote:i just threw up a little in my mouth when i saw this in the fog. come on people, don't tell me you're all morons who just like cute doggies and poorly drawn robots?


Even though I'm not very interested in this design myself, I felt compelled to respond because of the sheer stupidity of the quoted post.

Having a certain preference is much less moronic, in my opinion, than insulting someone for having that preference. Which makes the quoted poster more of a moron than the voters who vote for this shirt.

So what if people like cute animals, it's just their taste. Those who dislike cute animals or anime in general are no better than those who do like it. And assuming that your intelligence determines your tastes is a great misconception also.

jumcdona


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Re: Let's Play


I absolutely love the textures you put in this, but I don't really feel the Steampunk in this. Adding steam and gear wheels doesn't make something Steampunk. I hope we'll be seeing more creative uses of textures in your future pieces! They really did turn out very well.

me2you


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braveBebe wrote:I'm not looking for the shirts that are the most artistc, ones that fit the theme most, or ones that have Jakie Chan in them. I'm simply choosing the ones that I would want to wear.


Well said!
Some people have guff with this design, but it's very wearable and many people like it. =)

wootasourous


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Re: Let's Play


For anyone who doubt's this entry, which I love by the way, don't you think woot has thoroughly looked and pondered at this as being "steampunk". From past experience, I find that woot is pretty strict on their entries. I don't think they would let someone win $1,000 for being off-topic.

folkkevi


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wootasourous wrote:For anyone who doubt's this entry, which I love by the way, don't you think woot has thoroughly looked and pondered at this as being "steampunk". From past experience, I find that woot is pretty strict on their entries. I don't think they would let someone win $1,000 for being off-topic.


It seems you have not been around for very long.

yakub89


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mllemeranii wrote:Well at least we know that you and Seki are perfect for each other. Unoriginal, and inspired by children's movies.


3 things.
Nothing is original any more.
Everything has inspiration, why not children's movies.
And the Iron Giant rocks socks.

sefjwm


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wootasourous wrote:For anyone who doubt's this entry, which I love by the way, don't you think woot has thoroughly looked and pondered at this as being "steampunk". From past experience, I find that woot is pretty strict on their entries. I don't think they would let someone win $1,000 for being off-topic.


Have you looked at half the stuff Ramyb and Seki win? Often off topic or barely even trying to stay on topic.

drainhts


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braveBebe wrote:I know people like it, Sorry if I sounded too offensive about it, but I was just stating my opinion. Its not that I like it when people ignore the theme but that I dislike the theme itself. Just dosen't fit my liking.


Then one would suggest that you should, perhaps, come back the following week, when there would potentially be a theme that DOES match your tastes, and leave the Steampunk week to people who actually LIKE the theme and want to buy a shirt that actually fits it.

wootasourous


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sefjwm wrote:Have you looked at half the stuff Ramyb and Seki win? Often off topic or barely even trying to stay on topic.


Maybe in your opinion. But normally, for just about everything, there is always way more than just one interpretation of the subject. There is not one clear cut definition of "steampunk". So what you might think is off-topic, might seem on-topic to others and woot.

folkkevi


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wootasourous wrote:Maybe in your opinion. But normally, for just about everything, there is always way more than just one interpretation of the subject. There is not one clear cut definition of "steampunk". So what you might think is off-topic, might seem on-topic to others and woot.


Not in any incantation of steampunk do cartoon dogs make any kind of appearance.

Jestik


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mllemeranii wrote:


wow. never saw IronGiant, but thanks for that pic. Pretty weird.


bluchez


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Jestik wrote:wow. never saw IronGiant, but thanks for that pic. Pretty weird.


If that's weird, then this is downright strange:




(two examples of very common scenes in the movie)

marmls2m


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Stuntdummy wrote:But I don't blame Ramyb, because lots of contenders submit sub-par work; I blame the voters who continually eat this stuff up.


i blame ramyb and i also blam sekiyoku. you know why? i think they are rigging the contests through hundreds of fake accounts which they would have the money for if they one just one derby, which they have won dozens. i think they are filling the comments page with their own comments under their fake accounts, just as theyve done on deviantArt and the same way they claimed fake identities to saturate the artist alley with their artwork.

these two are scamming you and cheating the contest

but hey, thats just one guys opinion. it just happens to be backed up by documentation from numerous other people who got cheated


ramyb


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Jestik wrote:wow. never saw IronGiant, but thanks for that pic. Pretty weird.


It's weird, I've never seen it either, although I have to say that the similarity is definitely there based on these pictures. When I saw the theme, I knew I wanted to do a steampunk robot outside of its element, and after several different sketches (I went through a train, scientist, plants, etc.) I finally settled on a dog. A lot of people complained that a dog doesn't belong in a steampunk world, but that's the whole point of the picture. Steampunk isn't an art style, it's like an alternate world, so I feel that the concept stands and I don't think it's off topic by any means (although some people are arguing that the robot itself is not steampunk, which is a separate issue, but having a dog in the picture doesn't mean that it can't be in a steampunk derby)- Anyway, the point is that the similarity to iron giant is hardly by inspiration, as I've never seen the film, but I agree that the resemblance is there.

ankmet20


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ramyb wrote:It's weird, I've never seen it either, although I have to say that the similarity is definitely there based on these pictures. When I saw the theme, I knew I wanted to do a steampunk robot outside of its element, and after several different sketches (I went through a train, scientist, plants, etc.) I finally settled on a dog. A lot of people complained that a dog doesn't belong in a steampunk world, but that's the whole point of the picture. Steampunk isn't an art style, it's like an alternate world, so I feel that the concept stands and I don't think it's off topic by any means (although some people are arguing that the robot itself is not steampunk, which is a separate issue, but having a dog in the picture doesn't mean that it can't be in a steampunk derby)- Anyway, the point is that the similarity to iron giant is hardly by inspiration, as I've never seen the film, but I agree that the resemblance is there.



I honestly love your designs, both of them. THe robot one doesn't fit the traditional view of steampunk but I think it squishes into steampunk because it is showing something not so technologic interacting with something futuristic and spiffin. I would want that shirt.

but yeah, I thought of Iron Giant right away when I saw it :D

mrwednesday


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ramyb wrote:When I saw the theme, I knew I wanted to do a steampunk robot outside of its element, and after several different sketches (I went through a train, scientist, plants, etc.) I finally settled on a dog. A lot of people complained that a dog doesn't belong in a steampunk world, but that's the whole point of the picture. Steampunk isn't an art style, it's like an alternate world, so I feel that the concept stands and I don't think it's off topic by any means (although some people are arguing that the robot itself is not steampunk, which is a separate issue, but having a dog in the picture doesn't mean that it can't be in a steampunk derby)


But that's really the point. You managed to add some steam to the robot but it's not steampunk in the slightest (which is fairly ironic given your strict adherence to an anime artstyle because steampunk is pretty well represented there).

So not only did you miss the boat on the portion of the design that is supposed to be on topic, you've centered everything around something which has nothing to do with steampunk whatsoever.

It really confuses me who's voting for this given steampunk is pretty well liked in the community and the designs which really pegged the theme aren't going to print unless something really drastic happens.....

2thFairy


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mrwednesday wrote:
It really confuses me who's voting for this given steampunk is pretty well liked in the community and the designs which really pegged the theme aren't going to print unless something really drastic happens.....


I second that. Well said, well said.

mewlink64


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2thFairy wrote:I second that. Well said, well said.


I agree, most of the stuff in the fog is not really steampunk. The things that ARE steampunk are wallowing outside of the fog. So woot, what's going on in that little workshop of yours?

icymallard


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Re: Let's Play


damnit ramy, i mite be on your side but i still dont understand why the woot community is bent on voting for artists...

i understand why ur doin this but i implore you, make a new account and try selling shirts on it. Prove. Me. Wrong.

and whoever is voting on this... care about the theme, because shirt.woot apparently doesnt.

Stormink


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2thFairy wrote:I second that. Well said, well said.


Third.

heartluce


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Stormink wrote:Third.


Fourth.

Shenorock


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Re: Let's Play


This may in fact be the most shameful fog in woot history...and there have been some pretty bad ones.

Tabernack


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Re: Let's Play


Totally not Iron Giant guys...


... Totally.


/rolleyes

justnaota


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Re: Let's Play


Hmm.

Steam-powered robot playing with a doggy. I'd wear it, for sure.

Don't worry, Ramyb. You grasped the subject of the derby just fine. People just want you to google "steampunk characters" and paste the first image you see on a shirt.


koronae


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Shenorock wrote:This may in fact be the most shameful fog in woot history...and there have been some pretty bad ones.


This is beyond shameful. It's an absolute outrage and everybody who isn't a fantard knows it.

Tabernack


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ramyb wrote:It's weird, I've never seen it either, although I have to say that the similarity is definitely there based on these pictures. When I saw the theme, I knew I wanted to do a steampunk robot outside of its element, and after several different sketches (I went through a train, scientist, plants, etc.) I finally settled on a dog. A lot of people complained that a dog doesn't belong in a steampunk world, but that's the whole point of the picture. Steampunk isn't an art style, it's like an alternate world, so I feel that the concept stands and I don't think it's off topic by any means (although some people are arguing that the robot itself is not steampunk, which is a separate issue, but having a dog in the picture doesn't mean that it can't be in a steampunk derby)- Anyway, the point is that the similarity to iron giant is hardly by inspiration, as I've never seen the film, but I agree that the resemblance is there.


Of course you don't think it's off topic. You want that thousand dollars. The point people are making here is just because you have a robot with a few gears showing, doesn't mean it captures the element of steampunk. With such a highly imaginative theme at your fingertips, why're you letting your girltoy crank out more line-crap to pass off as your own (lets not mention how this is reminiscent of "Grim Optimism" as is)? And lastly, the obvious lack of thought in each and every one of both of your designs is absolutely discouraging. I haven't even bothered entering the past two derbies despite having more artistic insight in my little toe than both of you combined.

And yet people foam at the mouth over this shit because, oh dear it's another kawaii design by Ramy that he pulled out of his butt in under five minutes. WOOHOO!

This place is broken because of you and unoriginal, uncreative, re-hashed garbage like this undercutting entrants that actually know how to at LEAST stay on topic.

HeartlineTwist


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marmls2m wrote:i blame ramyb and i also blam sekiyoku. you know why? i think they are rigging the contests through hundreds of fake accounts which they would have the money for if they one just one derby, which they have won dozens. i think they are filling the comments page with their own comments under their fake accounts, just as theyve done on deviantArt and the same way they claimed fake identities to saturate the artist alley with their artwork.

these two are scamming you and cheating the contest

but hey, thats just one guys opinion. it just happens to be backed up by documentation from numerous other people who got cheated


Hi...welcome to Woot. Now, come with me for our time travel portion where I take you back a few months where everyone that wanted to criticize Ramy and Seki brought up this exact point...

Oh wait, nothing substantial ever came from it, and an objective view of the "photographic evidence" of such misdeeds is circumstantial at best and grossly skewed and misrepresented as most.

That said, I'm not quick to bring down the theme hammer on this one because there's nothing--NOTHING--about steampunk that says there can't be an animal. Hell, go watch Steamboy.

Now, as for the resemblance to the Iron Giant...meh...But for f's sakes, harp on that, not on the dog. Yes, it's cutesy style, but if we had to strike things down if EVERY element of the shirt didn't fit theme, then we'd have a lot of problems on a weekly basis.

HeartlineTwist


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icymallard wrote:damnit ramy, i mite be on your side but i still dont understand why the woot community is bent on voting for artists...

i understand why ur doin this but i implore you, make a new account and try selling shirts on it. Prove. Me. Wrong.

and whoever is voting on this... care about the theme, because shirt.woot apparently doesnt.


This would never work? Why? Ramy has gotten most of the hatred he has because of the dominance of the style of his work over ALL of his work. If he mixed up styles, I don't think he'd receive half the flak he does now. Posting under a new name isn't going to make a Ramy design not look like a Ramy design.

Stuntdummy


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mewlink64 wrote:I agree, most of the stuff in the fog is not really steampunk. The things that ARE steampunk are wallowing outside of the fog. So woot, what's going on in that little workshop of yours?


It's like our democracy here in America. You can know absolutely nothing about the issues, propositions, and politicians, but you're still able to cast a vote that is equally valid as any other.

Woot picks a subject like Steampunk, not everyone grasps the concept or cares to, so they vote solely on what they like and not on its thematic relevance.

mrwednesday


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HeartlineTwist wrote:This would never work? Why? Ramy has gotten most of the hatred he has because of the dominance of the style of his work over ALL of his work. If he mixed up styles, I don't think he'd receive half the flak he does now. Posting under a new name isn't going to make a Ramy design not look like a Ramy design.


Exactly. I never have to see more than the thumbnail to know a ramy design and about 80% of seki's are obvious.

When I see people in threads for his design's saying they were so surprised to see it was his I can only imagine it's a fake post on an alt account or that a lot of woot voters are that devoid of any sort of artistic sense...

wayword


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Paradox55 wrote:[quote postid="3157340" user="ack154"]I'm not sure I see "steampunk" in this.

I agree, my first thought was NOT steampunk at all. Why the dog for the thumbnail instead of the design that was intended to fit the derby?


Perhaps so that the people who need to complain about ramyb's and bootsboots' style every week can zone in more easily? Not to direct this all at you, but honestly, for those who dislike this because the robot has too many bolts or the dog looks familiar or whatever else... then don't buy it. Constructive criticism I understand, but cutesy animal designs are pretty static; if it's not your thing your thing, why not spend your time finding and supporting an artist you DO like, rather than complaining about minutiae every week? Or better yet, create something more worthy for us all to spend ten bucks on?

bradyson


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justnaota wrote:Hmm.

Steam-powered robot playing with a doggy. I'd wear it, for sure.

Don't worry, Ramyb. You grasped the subject of the derby just fine. People just want you to google "steampunk characters" and paste the first image you see on a shirt.


That would have been better that googling "Iron Giant."

;c)

haezoo


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Stuntdummy wrote:I see a dog and a giant robot.

I'm not sure making steam come out of a robot properly catches the "steam punk" idea. I find this, as I find many of Ramyb's works, sub-par on the originality and accuracy-to-the-theme scales. And yet, it's always fogged.
But I don't blame Ramyb, because lots of contenders submit sub-par work; I blame the voters who continually eat this stuff up.

Tell me people, HOW DO YOU DO IT? What compels you? If I submitted a masterpiece and Ramyb submitted a shirt with a pile of excrement on it, by your voting record I would still lose! I'm flabbergasted...


So. Where IS your submission? Please link so we can all worship your ultimate skillz.

mrwednesday


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haezoo wrote:So. Where IS your submission? Please link so we can all worship your ultimate skillz.


Please show us your submission as well. If the ability to analyze and criticize art requires that you be able to create art, surely praising it does so as well.

Hopefully my response to this isn't really needed because most people here are not foolish enough to try to make your point but given how often it seems to come up it felt necessary.

SeraphSix


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The debate shouldn't be about skill. The debate should be about submitting a design that isn't similar to other designs and follows the theme. Dog is not steampunk. Design looks like an existing design. End of story.

haezoo


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mrwednesday wrote:Please show us your submission as well. If the ability to analyze and criticize art requires that you be able to create art, surely praising it does so as well.

Hopefully my response to this isn't really needed because most people here are not foolish enough to try to make your point but given how often it seems to come up it felt necessary.


The OP said: "Tell me people, HOW DO YOU DO IT? What compels you? If I submitted a masterpiece and Ramyb submitted a shirt with a pile of excrement on it, by your voting record I would still lose! I'm flabbergasted..."

I merely submit that we test this theory...

justnaota


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bradyson wrote:That would have been better that googling "Iron Giant."

;c)


Probably. xD

itsbeth


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byrbwr wrote:i just threw up a little in my mouth when i saw this in the fog. come on people, don't tell me you're all morons who just like cute doggies and poorly drawn robots?


I'd say it's more of a cute robot and a poorly drawn dog, myself. Something bout his head/neck is wonked from that angle.

I don't mind the concept, though. I'd actually be happy to see a few more cute dog shirts because I feel like the place is overrun with cats, and I'm a hater. :P

I do love the robot, even if he looks a lot like The Iron Giant.

BaldBob007


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Re: Let's Play


I personally love steampunk art. I did a lot of research for this derby and the current fog looks like nothing I found. It is a disappointment.

Before all the Ramy/Seki fans jump on me, I'm not saying that Ramy/Seki is a poor designer. Rather, I find him/her to be fantastic - these designs included. My problem is that he/she just can't seem to follow the theme on a regular basis. When he/she does, I vote for him/her. Not this week.

I think that Shirt.Woot should start a separate contest entitled "Whatever Anime Ramy/Seki Wants to Draw". That would ensure that the mindless base of voters can buy all the anime their wallets will allow.

The themed derby should be about growing creatively and trying NEW things. Voting should be based, first and foremost, on whether the entry fits the theme. I've seen a lot of people say something to the effect of, "I don't like steampunk, I like Ramy/Seki's stuff..."

Then, please don't vote in a steampunk themed contest.

Finley4


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marmls2m wrote:i blame ramyb and i also blam sekiyoku. you know why? i think they are rigging the contests through hundreds of fake accounts which they would have the money for if they one just one derby, which they have won dozens. i think they are filling the comments page with their own comments under their fake accounts, just as theyve done on deviantArt and the same way they claimed fake identities to saturate the artist alley with their artwork.

these two are scamming you and cheating the contest

but hey, thats just one guys opinion. it just happens to be backed up by documentation from numerous other people who got cheated



Just look at the positive comments and the people that jump to the defence in Ramyb or Sekiyoku's thread to anyone that doubts it. You see a positive comment, hover over the name and see when they joined. 9 out of 10 times they joined after Sept. 23, the date Ramy joined (and coincidentally the time Sekiyoku started winning, after being here since 2006!?!) Sekiyoku's got almost 20 of them in her thread this week, Ramy close to 50 in his two threads. What's amazing is for as many Sept. 2008-April. 2009 join dates you see there's almost never any Jun. July or Aug. 2008 joiners. It's like they just suddenly appeared and Oi! Mosh good! love! Ramyb and Sekiyoku's work the best!!! Check out other peoples submissions, you won't find the same kind of hefty representation from Sept. 23 to today. Couldn't be more obvious there's something wrong here.

tnkitty


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Oops wrong thread!

iris420


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heartluce wrote:Fourth.


Fifth!

Carpe shirtem!

Stuntdummy


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haezoo wrote:The OP said: "Tell me people, HOW DO YOU DO IT? What compels you? If I submitted a masterpiece and Ramyb submitted a shirt with a pile of excrement on it, by your voting record I would still lose! I'm flabbergasted..."

I merely submit that we test this theory...


You buy me a wacom tablet and adobe, and I will gladly do it. You're missing the point, though. This theory is continually proven every week when Ramyb submits a design that is off-theme/unoriginal and yet still ascends into the fog, even though there are other submissions that are much better and on-theme.

marmls2m


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Finley4 wrote:Just look at the positive comments and the people that jump to the defence in Ramyb or Sekiyoku's thread to anyone that doubts it. You see a positive comment, hover over the name and see when they joined. 9 out of 10 times they joined after Sept. 23, the date Ramy joined (and coincidentally the time Sekiyoku started winning, after being here since 2006!?!) Sekiyoku's got almost 20 of them in her thread this week, Ramy close to 50 in his two threads. What's amazing is for as many Sept. 2008-April. 2009 join dates you see there's almost never any Jun. July or Aug. 2008 joiners. It's like they just suddenly appeared and Oi! Mosh good! love! Ramyb and Sekiyoku's work the best!!! Check out other peoples submissions, you won't find the same kind of hefty representation from Sept. 23 to today. Couldn't be more obvious there's something wrong here.


doesnt this constitue fraud of some kind? i am officially announcing that i will pay a cash reward for anyone who can provide incriminating evidence on the part of either ramyb (ramy badie) or sekiyoku (sylvia shy). now seeing as i am not very well off, the reward will be small, but if you are interested in contributing to the reward to put an end to these sick money hungry souless opprotunists, please pm me.


Tardasaurus


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spanishmel


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Finley4 wrote:Just look at the positive comments and the people that jump to the defence in Ramyb or Sekiyoku's thread to anyone that doubts it. You see a positive comment, hover over the name and see when they joined...


Several people on this thread have pointed to evidence that RamyB has registered multiple accounts in order to boost his rank. RamyB hasn’t defended himself in anyway. In my opinion by keeping silent RamyB is agreeing to these accusations of fraudulent votes. If he was fully legitimate wouldn’t he be shocked and/or pissed about these accusations and have something to say about it?

eHalcyon


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spanishmel wrote:Several people on this thread have pointed to evidence that RamyB has registered multiple accounts in order to boost his rank. RamyB hasn’t defended himself in anyway. In my opinion by keeping silent RamyB is agreeing to these accusations of fraudulent votes. If he was fully legitimate wouldn’t he be shocked and/or pissed about these accusations and have something to say about it?


They defended themselves before, which prompted people to say that they were being overly defensive and that it was further proof of their guilt. It's a lose-lose situation, really.

(Unofficial) Derby Rules (outdated?)
Designing for the Derby (definitely outdated)
Tips for New Designers (always useful)

IndependentVik


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eHalcyon wrote:They defended themselves before, which prompted people to say that they were being overly defensive and that it was further proof of their guilt. It's a lose-lose situation, really.


What eHalcyon said. If people are annoyed that they're occupying three fourths of the fog (admittedly, I am) then they should just say so instead of dredging up old accusations that never went anywhere.

As for this design, yes, I've seen Iron Giant and there is some resemblance, but it doesn't look like a blatant knockoff to me. I haven't voted for it, because personally it's not my thing, but this is hardly plagiarism.

HeartlineTwist


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Finley4 wrote:Just look at the positive comments and the people that jump to the defence in Ramyb or Sekiyoku's thread to anyone that doubts it. You see a positive comment, hover over the name and see when they joined. 9 out of 10 times they joined after Sept. 23, the date Ramy joined (and coincidentally the time Sekiyoku started winning, after being here since 2006!?!) Sekiyoku's got almost 20 of them in her thread this week, Ramy close to 50 in his two threads. What's amazing is for as many Sept. 2008-April. 2009 join dates you see there's almost never any Jun. July or Aug. 2008 joiners. It's like they just suddenly appeared and Oi! Mosh good! love! Ramyb and Sekiyoku's work the best!!! Check out other peoples submissions, you won't find the same kind of hefty representation from Sept. 23 to today. Couldn't be more obvious there's something wrong here.


Or, you know, it could be that there are actually that many people that like Ramy and Seki and came here once they started showing strong? SHOCKGASP, say it ain't so!

I'm not saying it's out of the question, but if you go looking for the shady looking stuff, shady looking stuff is what you find. Not to mention, compare the sales numbers. I would have to go physically look, but I am fairly confident that in almost ALL instances, every vote Ramy and Seki receive is matched by at least a single buy, if not more. Hell, maybe they're REALLY smart. Maybe they're buying all of those shirts themselves...yeah, that's it.

Also, I will once again present this argument: If Ramy and Seki have THAT many votes, they're not just bumping their own shirts. They're bumping other designs. Why wouldn't they? According to you, Ramy and Seki are picking every fog, every time, even if they don't both make it or even if they don't make it at all.

That said, still in agreement about the questionability of this shirt's adherence to theme.

Radscoolian


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good job

Radscoolian


quality posts: 15 Private Messages Radscoolian

good job

orzine


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HeartlineTwist wrote:Or, you know, it could be that there are actually that many people that like Ramy and Seki and came here once they started showing strong? SHOCKGASP, say it ain't so!


marmls2m wrote:i think they are filling the comments page with their own comments under their fake accounts, just as theyve done on deviantArt and the same way they claimed fake identities to saturate the artist alley with their artwork.

these two are scamming you and cheating the contest

but hey, thats just one guys opinion. it just happens to be backed up by documentation from numerous other people who got cheated


i think the insinuation is that these two have a history of cheating and using fake identities to do it. its a re-occuring behavioral pattern.

HeartlineTwist wrote:
Also, I will once again present this argument: If Ramy and Seki have THAT many votes, they're not just bumping their own shirts. They're bumping other designs. Why wouldn't they? According to you, Ramy and Seki are picking every fog, every time, even if they don't both make it or even if they don't make it at all.


ideally, they dont have to vote for themselves 500+ times. all they have to do is give themselves the initial bump into the hotness bar, and their lowest common denominator designs do the rest of the work

HeartlineTwist wrote: I would have to go physically look, but I am fairly confident that in almost ALL instances, every vote Ramy and Seki receive is matched by at least a single buy, if not more. Hell, maybe they're REALLY smart. Maybe they're buying all of those shirts themselves...yeah, that's it.



i would have to physically look, but i am sure that the majority of shirts sold here sell well and ramyoku's designs average out to be nothing special. that being said, the amount of people who vote on the derbies does not even come close to the pool of woot users eligable to vote.

finally, this community seems to be draped in a blanket of wishful thinking that demands its users be warm and cuddly and only say nice things. it is exactly this atmosphere that has enables malicious opprotunists to take advantage of loopholes and hide themselves in a camouflage of good will.

i have the solution to this loophole, (and i apologise if this has been said before i had joined) if woot adjusts the system so that if you vote, you automatically buy the shirt if it goes to print, people with hundred of fake accounts will not be able to afford to rig the election. in addition, woot will be able to gauge their sales of shirts before they go to print, and they can order and print accordingly, maximizing profit and minimizing waste.

Radscoolian


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Re: Let's Play


Great Job! I love the shirt.
I was curious how you get your half-tones. Do you use a filter on Photoshop like andromeda, or do you do them manually (like a clipping mask)?
And how long have you been at this?
Oh, don't worry about your critics. People always hate success.

orzine


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Radscoolian wrote:Great Job! I love the shirt.
I was curious how you get your half-tones. Do you use a filter on Photoshop like andromeda, or do you do them manually (like a clipping mask)?
And how long have you been at this?
Oh, don't worry about your critics. People always hate success.


why did you post three times consecutively?

starboardzor


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re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry.aspx?id=30888]let



LOVE it! Can't wait to buy it, can't wait to wear it!

quasiagent1


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Very nice!

eHalcyon


quality posts: 66 Private Messages eHalcyon
orzine wrote:i would have to physically look, but i am sure that the majority of shirts sold here sell well and ramyoku's designs average out to be nothing special. that being said, the amount of people who vote on the derbies does not even come close to the pool of woot users eligable to vote.

finally, this community seems to be draped in a blanket of wishful thinking that demands its users be warm and cuddly and only say nice things. it is exactly this atmosphere that has enables malicious opprotunists to take advantage of loopholes and hide themselves in a camouflage of good will.

i have the solution to this loophole, (and i apologise if this has been said before i had joined) if woot adjusts the system so that if you vote, you automatically buy the shirt if it goes to print, people with hundred of fake accounts will not be able to afford to rig the election. in addition, woot will be able to gauge their sales of shirts before they go to print, and they can order and print accordingly, maximizing profit and minimizing waste.


The majority of shirts do not sell well. I believe ramy's and seki's shirts sell a little better than average (I'm not entirely sure). Quantity sold says nothing about quality though.

This community is nothing like you described it. The majority of the regulars are well spoken and opinionated. The "wishful thinkers" would be those who just swing by whenever, the ones who don't see all the shenanigans and the drama. As it so happens, some of the regulars think that it is possible to criticize without being unneccessarily rude. Meh.

Your solution has been proposed many, many times, and I'm afraid that it comes with too many problems. For example, consider the following scenarios:

1. You're a bit strapped for cash at the moment but you would buy the design if you had the means. You vote for it in hopes that it will surive the reckoning until you can afford to pick it up.

2. You vote for it thinking that it would make a good gift for someone, who inform you after voting is over that they actually don't like the design.

3. You like the design but you want to wait to see if the print is of good quality.

There are many more scenarios like this.

Finally, it's frankly a bit suspicious that someone who only joined a day or two ago could have formulated such a well-informed opinion so quickly. Maybe you've been a lurker and only signed up for an account recently. If so, good on you. But if you're an active community member who elected to hide behind a fake account, then I urge you to drop the facade and just be straight forward about your opinions. I don't always agree with Adder, but the man is upfront about where he stands. He deserves respect because there's no ambivalence, no deception.

I don't see why you would want to hide your opinions, unless you thought it would be damaging to your reputation. But then whatever humble, good-natured and reserved persona you've crafted on your main account really means nothing at all. And if you're just acting, that's almost as bad as scamming your way to victory through multiple accounts.

Again, if you've just been lurking, I apologize and even commend you for familiarizing yourself with the situation, at least a little bit, before commenting on all the politics.

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nerdgod89


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yall need a life.
i am part of the mindless squads of voters, i buy ramyb shirts and even when i dont i vote for them. and you all cant stop me. your art knowledge, your brilliant insights, your amazing arguments about why a shirt isn't "on topic" has no power to stop me, i vote for shirts i will wear, the derby is nothing more than a way to see multiple views on a theme i might want to wear. also ramy and seki often have the best looking shirts that would be fun to wear.
so essentially everyone...suck it hahaha

~
indianwoot

bpr2


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what woot needs to do to foil the obvious 1 woot item voters is to raise the amount of items bought needed to vote from the current number to perhaps 10-20 items in order to vote.

Just my 2¢

and to add to this.

they shouldn't show the names of the artists during the voting period, and only reveal them after the voting time has ended, or when the shirt gets printed.

that was fun while it lasted!

bpr2


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sorry, finger slipped. please delete this post.

that was fun while it lasted!

mrwednesday


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eHalcyon wrote:

Finally, it's frankly a bit suspicious that someone who only joined a day or two ago could have formulated such a well-informed opinion so quickly. Maybe you've been a lurker and only signed up for an account recently. If so, good on you. But if you're an active community member who elected to hide behind a fake account, then I urge you to drop the facade and just be straight forward about your opinions. I don't always agree with Adder, but the man is upfront about where he stands. He deserves respect because there's no ambivalence, no deception.

I don't see why you would want to hide your opinions, unless you thought it would be damaging to your reputation. But then whatever humble, good-natured and reserved persona you've crafted on your main account really means nothing at all. And if you're just acting, that's almost as bad as scamming your way to victory through multiple accounts.

Again, if you've just been lurking, I apologize and even commend you for familiarizing yourself with the situation, at least a little bit, before commenting on all the politics.


The sad thing is that this seems to be a remarkably common trend. It wasn't until very recently that I saw anyone post here that had never purchased a shirt. Anymore they are quite quite common and most talk about the types of shirts they've bought in the past....The numbers of accounts with very low purchase totals is also worrisome. They all love ramy and buy all his designs but a sitting on less than 3 woots in many cases.

I realize that I've been here for over a year and a half and have yet to pass the 25 mark (I'm very close) but the wealth of new accounts talking about things which went on before they joined is getting very high and very troublesome.

cobolisdead


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mrwednesday wrote:The sad thing is that this seems to be a remarkably common trend. It wasn't until very recently that I saw anyone post here that had never purchased a shirt. Anymore they are quite quite common and most talk about the types of shirts they've bought in the past....The numbers of accounts with very low purchase totals is also worrisome. They all love ramy and buy all his designs but a sitting on less than 3 woots in many cases.

I realize that I've been here for over a year and a half and have yet to pass the 25 mark (I'm very close) but the wealth of new accounts talking about things which went on before they joined is getting very high and very troublesome.


Have you noticed that most of the comments in their threads come from people that have joined in the past 8 months? I hope that it's just a fanbase they brought with them, but with their track record, it just makes it even more suspicious.

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Moondragon


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orzine wrote:if woot adjusts the system so that if you vote, you automatically buy the shirt if it goes to print, people with hundred of fake accounts will not be able to afford to rig the election. in addition, woot will be able to gauge their sales of shirts before they go to print, and they can order and print accordingly, maximizing profit and minimizing waste.


I'd vote for that. :D

AmynessPrime


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Re: Let's Play


Just because a shirt is cutesy doesn't mean it deserves to be in the fog. This doesn't really fit the theme, and it all hinges on superficial sentimentalism.

lexaverial


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mrwednesday wrote:The sad thing is that this seems to be a remarkably common trend. It wasn't until very recently that I saw anyone post here that had never purchased a shirt. Anymore they are quite quite common and most talk about the types of shirts they've bought in the past....The numbers of accounts with very low purchase totals is also worrisome. They all love ramy and buy all his designs but a sitting on less than 3 woots in many cases.

I realize that I've been here for over a year and a half and have yet to pass the 25 mark (I'm very close) but the wealth of new accounts talking about things which went on before they joined is getting very high and very troublesome.


I want to touch on this personally, because it actually applies to my wife. I've been using shirt.woot along with my wife for a very long time. I had an account first and bought many shirts for the both of us. She always read the forums via my account, and only recently made her own. (And she still hasn't made a purchase of her own on her own account. I bought Clockwork Dinos for her because she was asleep when it hit, for instance.)

While I do agree that this sort of thing is suspicious on a larger scale, I do think that we may have some lurkers who are finally starting to speak up. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me at all if many people did have multiple accounts that they are using to make certain sorts of comments on, or to be allowed multiple votes.

ramyb


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ramyb
Re: Let's Play


There have been a lot of accusations made with arbitrarily chosen pieces of evidence regarding dates of joining of users, number of woots, sales, etc. But rather than just say that these are dumb accusations, I figured I'd instead compile some numbers for you:

1. Everyone who leaves positive comments on my shirts joined after I did, and so they must all be me.

So this entry, 2/3 of the positive comments came from people who joined in Sept2008 or later (which is when I joined, which is why it's the magic start point). For my other entry this week, half of the positive comments were from people who joined at that date or later. (If we include seki's shirt in this, only 40% of the comments are from users who joined in Sept or later).

Now to compare, drakxxx's entry has received half of its comments from users who joined in Sept08 or later, and Deadfrog 2/3. Are these numbers any different? No. Why did I choose these as my comparison point? Because they are the two entries to which mine have been most compared. Simple really.

2. Everyone who likes my shirts has a yellow box, which is suspicious.

So let's look at those numbers. For my two shirts combined (only looking at positive comments):
1 blank box, 5 yellow boxes, 3 orange boxes, 23 blue bloxes, 13 red boxes, 5 black boxes.
So, for every user who commented that they liked the shirt who had only 1 woot, there was one who had 25 or more. (And if you think that number is suspiciously high for my TWO entries combined, drakxxx's one entry alone has 6 comments from people with just a single purchase).

3. My shirts don't actually sell that well anyway, so who is voting on them?

My shirts, on average, have each sold 1000 more than the average for derby winners since I joined (if you include dailies in that number, it's a much larger difference even, but I think comparing to derby entries only is fair).

So please don't try to argue with me that the people who like my shirts are sketchy, or that they can't be real, or that they don't actually make purchases without actually looking into the numbers. These things are very easy to look up, but people instead choose to blurt out whatever they think will cast doubt on me without taking two seconds to actually think it through or see if there is any validity in their claims.

I'm sick of responding to these stupid claims and was planning to just ignore it because it's pointless to respond, but since I was called out for not defending myself, I decided I might as well. Not like it matters either way- I can present undeniable proof and people will still say that it's impossible that people vote on something they don't personally like.

Oh, and as a sidenote, don't tell me to wikipedia search steampunk. If you are going by wikipedia, it says "Since the 1990s, the application of the steampunk label has expanded beyond works set in recognizable historical periods (usually the 19th century) to works set in fantasy worlds that rely heavily on steam- or spring-powered technology," which negates 90% of the comments about why various things within the derby aren't steampunk.

bryozoan


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I consider all the trash-talk you get as a compliment to you... Since every successful skilled artist on this site since the beginning has gotten a heap of garbage thrown their way by folks who consistantly submit non-artistic shlock that gets almost no votes, or have 5 or less purchases, or simply love to complain about everything that isn't their one favorite.

Count yourself in the line of so many great artists that this community has ragged on for daring to be talented and actually *gasp* make shirts folks want to wear.

(Almost like the old school forum trolls cloned themselves...)

SeraphSix


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ramyb wrote:Oh, and as a sidenote, don't tell me to wikipedia search steampunk. If you are going by wikipedia, it says "Since the 1990s, the application of the steampunk label has expanded beyond works set in recognizable historical periods (usually the 19th century) to works set in fantasy worlds that rely heavily on steam- or spring-powered technology," which negates 90% of the comments about why various things within the derby aren't steampunk.


I didn't accuse you of the other things you mentioned, but I did accuse you of not following the theme.
Expanded or not, this does not follow it.

Show us what a 21st-century mind can do with 19th-century machines.

I don't see a 19th century machine. I see an Anime robot with exhaust pipes on his back looking at a dog that doesn't fit in with the style.
I also see a design that looks identical in layout and presentation to one you have already made and is still for sale.

I'm complaining that it is unfair to other designers for you to potentially have two on-sale shirts with the same kind of design when this one isn't even that representative of the theme.

BootsBoots


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Re: Let's Play


I almost really like this design. If the robot was creepier/scarier/uglier anything but cute, I'd love it. I don't mind the dog at all (it would make an especially nice contrast to a non-cute robot too). I see what people are saying about it not really being steampunk. I'm not sure if anyone's pointed out this reason or not, but I think it's because there's nothing really "edgy" (I can't think of the perfect word) about the robot or dog. They're just... cute. I don't think that's grounds for rejection, because the definition of steampunk doesn't say "must be edgy, no cuteness allowed!" it's just that most steampunk seems to steer away from cute. I think it's valid for an artist to try to put a new spin on a style if they want to. It could either work or not.

Sorry, after getting about halfway through reading the comments, I thought I'd give my opinion. I was compelled!


spanishmel


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I'm not trying to trash talk anyone. I was and I am still curious as to why RamyB doesn't just say something straight forward in his own defense. I'm a pretty new member here but picked up on the similarities between Sekiyoku and RamyB right away...as everyone does. Over the past nine weeks I've gotten to know the art styles and personalities of almost all of the front running artists except for RamyB and Sekiyoku and it raises a red flag. I don't understand the shroud of mystery that surrounds these two entrants. Nine weeks of following their threads and their wins and I still don’t understand what is up! People seem to be on the attack because their simple questions aren't being answered and they are starting to feel misled. It seems like this particular *$^& storm started with people just being curious...but when left to their own devises people are going to speculate.

orzine


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ramyb wrote:
1. Everyone who leaves positive comments on my shirts joined after I did, and so they must all be me.

So this entry, 2/3 of the positive comments came from people who joined in Sept2008 or later (which is when I joined, which is why it's the magic start point). For my other entry this week, half of the positive comments were from people who joined at that date or later. (If we include seki's shirt in this, only 40% of the comments are from users who joined in Sept or later).

Now to compare, drakxxx's entry has received half of its comments from users who joined in Sept08 or later, and Deadfrog 2/3. Are these numbers any different? No. Why did I choose these as my comparison point? Because they are the two entries to which mine have been most compared. Simple really.



what of the claim that youve perpetuated this kind kind of fraud before in the artist alley, using fake identities for monetary gain?

orzine


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eHalcyon wrote:Finally, it's frankly a bit suspicious that someone who only joined a day or two ago could have formulated such a well-informed opinion so quickly. Maybe you've been a lurker and only signed up for an account recently. If so, good on you. But if you're an active community member who elected to hide behind a fake account, then I urge you to drop the facade and just be straight forward about your opinions.


all it took was a few hours of reading.

also, if i was an active member of the community, wouldnt i have already known my idea has been presented before?

ramyb


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ramyb
orzine wrote:what of the claim that youve perpetuated this kind kind of fraud before in the artist alley, using fake identities for monetary gain?


I have responded to this many, many, many times in the past. I'm not going to flatter you by digging up my responses, you can do the work yourself if you want. I'm not going to defend myself again when your response is going to be that some other artist on another website said that I did it, so I must be lying. You made your account two days ago, and your 3 posts are all on this thread bashing me. If you don't want to face me and are just looking to try to throw some Gigli (2003) at me for kicks, do what you want. My post above addresses all points that are relevant to woot, which this isn't.

IndependentVik


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orzine wrote:what of the claim that youve perpetuated this kind kind of fraud before in the artist alley, using fake identities for monetary gain?


It's been addressed. If you're really that interested to read all the arguments and counterarguments, look it up.

BootsBoots


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ramyb wrote:I have responded to this many, many, many times in the past. I'm not going to flatter you by digging up my responses, you can do the work yourself if you want. I'm not going to defend myself again when your response is going to be that some other artist on another website said that I did it, so I must be lying. You made your account two days ago, and your 3 posts are all on this thread bashing me. If you don't want to face me and are just looking to try to throw some Gigli (2003) at me for kicks, do what you want. My post above addresses all points that are relevant to woot, which this isn't.


If it ever comes out that you really do have a hundred fake accounts, I think I'm going to be most offended by the fact that you didn't use them on "What They Learn on T.V."


ramyb


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BootsBoots wrote:If it ever comes out that you really do have a hundred fake accounts, I think I'm going to be most offended by the fact that you didn't use them on "What They Learn on T.V."


I was just trying to prove that your kiss of death is very real ;)

wootasourous


quality posts: 119 Private Messages wootasourous
Re: Let's Play


Man Ramyb, I think you must have like 1000 fake accounts, and you post on your own entries acting as fake pissed off people, and buy things of all those accounts multiple times, and must have like 20 of everything laying around your house. I mean doesn't it seem so logical that he must be cheating? I mean right? I mean psh the evidence is right there? Right?

...

wootasourous


quality posts: 119 Private Messages wootasourous
Re: Let's Play


You should also come out with a book too. "How to cheat in shirt.woot! derbies for dummies". It would be brilliant. I think you would get a Pulitzer Prize for it.

IndependentVik


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wootasourous wrote:Man Ramyb, I think you must have like 1000 fake accounts, and you post on your own entries acting as fake pissed off people, and buy things of all those accounts multiple times, and must have like 20 of everything laying around your house. I mean doesn't it seem so logical that he must be cheating? I mean right? I mean psh the evidence is right there? Right?

...


For the life of me, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

eHalcyon


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bpr2 wrote:what woot needs to do to foil the obvious 1 woot item voters is to raise the amount of items bought needed to vote from the current number to perhaps 10-20 items in order to vote.

Just my 2¢

and to add to this.

they shouldn't show the names of the artists during the voting period, and only reveal them after the voting time has ended, or when the shirt gets printed.


I would be ok with raising the requisite purchases for voting, since I can't think of any major problems that it would cause. Maybe also change it from "one woot" to "one shirt.woot" before voting.

Hiding the names of the artists won't change anything. The most prominent artists have very distinct styles, so we'd know who it is anyway. Also, artists are bound to advertise their designs, which would negate the anonymity factor. Now, Woot could add a new rule saying that you can't advertise, but they wouldn't be able to enforce it off-site. And then people who wanted to see a design rejected could just advertise it, thereby breaking the advertisement rule on behalf of the artist...

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ramyb


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ramyb
eHalcyon wrote:I would be ok with raising the requisite purchases for voting, since I can't think of any major problems that it would cause. Maybe also change it from "one woot" to "one shirt.woot" before voting.

Hiding the names of the artists won't change anything. The most prominent artists have very distinct styles, so we'd know who it is anyway. Also, artists are bound to advertise their designs, which would negate the anonymity factor. Now, Woot could add a new rule saying that you can't advertise, but they wouldn't be able to enforce it off-site. And then people who wanted to see a design rejected could just advertise it, thereby breaking the advertisement rule on behalf of the artist...


Well, the last part could easily be solved by making the punishment probation for the user rather than rejection- I definitely agree with making it 1 shirt.woot instead of 1 woot as a minimum, and also wouldn't mind raising the minimum. I think if they made things anonymous, people would have their guesses, and some would be very obvious, but it could still help things in terms of flaming (for example, if a new artist was mistakenly flamed viciously, then people might be a bit more careful in the future :P) It's hard to tell though, and there's no way woot would implement it anyway, but making it a minimum of one shirt.woot to vote is definitely a valid thing to do I think. As it is now though, I believe they have it this way so that they can encourage main woot people to cross over, but if those people have enough of an interest, I'm sure there would be a shirt they like at some point anyway.

shadowknight125


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Re: Let's Play


I have not read the entire comment section so maybe someone else has already stated this or maybe its just me, but this design looks a heck of a lot like "Grim Optimism" (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=7689). That it is a relatively large and intimidating thing vs. a cutesy animal...

RT0wn


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Re: Let's Play


After looking at Seki's entry and getting confused about this Ramy/Seki thing, I read all the comments on this one, too.

I may be new to woot, but let it be known that Howl's Moving Castle is considered a steampunk film by wikipedia. If THAT'S steampunk because it has a castle with steam vents in it, then this can be steampunk, too.

thisisme84


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nerdgod89 wrote:yall need a life.
i am part of the mindless squads of voters, i buy ramyb shirts and even when i dont i vote for them. and you all cant stop me. your art knowledge, your brilliant insights, your amazing arguments about why a shirt isn't "on topic" has no power to stop me, i vote for shirts i will wear, the derby is nothing more than a way to see multiple views on a theme i might want to wear. also ramy and seki often have the best looking shirts that would be fun to wear.
so essentially everyone...suck it hahaha



I am pretty sure I love you.

krouth


quality posts: 2 Private Messages krouth
Re: Let's Play


I likethis one better...

Nizo


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double post >.<

Nizo


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ramyb wrote:I have responded to this many, many, many times in the past. I'm not going to flatter you by digging up my responses, you can do the work yourself if you want. I'm not going to defend myself again when your response is going to be that some other artist on another website said that I did it, so I must be lying. You made your account two days ago, and your 3 posts are all on this thread bashing me. If you don't want to face me and are just looking to try to throw some Gigli (2003) at me for kicks, do what you want. My post above addresses all points that are relevant to woot, which this isn't.



I also think it helps that you usually submit your designs early in the competition gaining more of a following so even if your design is rejected most people, including me sometimes, will go back and revote. Yes, there are times in my opinion when some of you and Sekiyoku's designs shouldn't win (the circus derby to be exact, I still don't understand the dumbo shirt >.<) but I think a lot of people vote on your name. They see who it is by and it changes their outlook on the shirt, that’s why when it comes to print day they decide they wouldn't actually wear it. Whenever I see a shirt by Cho for instances I usually think it’s better just because it’s Cho. I'm just throwing in my 2 cents.

wootasourous


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Nizo wrote:I also think it helps that you usually submit your designs early in the competition gaining more of a following so even if your design is rejected most people, including me sometimes, will go back and revote. Yes, there are times in my opinion when some of you and Sekiyoku's designs shouldn't win (the circus derby to be exact, I still don't understand the dumbo shirt >.<) but I think a lot of people vote on your name. They see who it is by and it changes their outlook on the shirt, that’s why when it comes to print day they decide they wouldn't actually wear it. Whenever I see a shirt by Cho for instances I usually think it’s better just because it’s Cho. I'm just throwing in my 2 cents.


I agree with you totally here. Ramyb has his shirts in within the first day or so which keeps it up in the fog at first so people can see it easily, that's why when he did the tree shirt last week, he submitted it later and it didn't get into the fog. Plus, I vote on his name because I really like his shirt style.

cobolisdead


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wootasourous wrote:I agree with you totally here. Ramyb has his shirts in within the first day or so which keeps it up in the fog at first so people can see it easily, that's why when he did the tree shirt last week, he submitted it later and it didn't get into the fog. Plus, I vote on his name because I really like his shirt style.


You are part of what's wrong with this site.

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cpospisil


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nerdgod89 wrote:yall need a life.
i am part of the mindless squads of voters, i buy ramyb shirts and even when i dont i vote for them. and you all cant stop me. your art knowledge, your brilliant insights, your amazing arguments about why a shirt isn't "on topic" has no power to stop me, i vote for shirts i will wear, the derby is nothing more than a way to see multiple views on a theme i might want to wear. also ramy and seki often have the best looking shirts that would be fun to wear.
so essentially everyone...suck it hahaha


ITA

ZMaiden


quality posts: 0 Private Messages ZMaiden
Re: Let's Play


So, is this not considered steampunk because of the robot? Or is it because of the dog? I mean, I'm pretty sure the Victorian era had dogs, and I don't know how you would emphasis it was from the 1800's since he doesn't have the waist to pull of a proper dress Nah, I'm just playing around.

cobolisdead


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ramyb wrote:There have been a lot of accusations made with arbitrarily chosen pieces of evidence regarding dates of joining of users, number of woots, sales, etc. But rather than just say that these are dumb accusations, I figured I'd instead compile some numbers for you:

1. Everyone who leaves positive comments on my shirts joined after I did, and so they must all be me.

So this entry, 2/3 of the positive comments came from people who joined in Sept2008 or later (which is when I joined, which is why it's the magic start point). For my other entry this week, half of the positive comments were from people who joined at that date or later. (If we include seki's shirt in this, only 40% of the comments are from users who joined in Sept or later).

Now to compare, drakxxx's entry has received half of its comments from users who joined in Sept08 or later, and Deadfrog 2/3. Are these numbers any different? No. Why did I choose these as my comparison point? Because they are the two entries to which mine have been most compared. Simple really.

2. Everyone who likes my shirts has a yellow box, which is suspicious.

So let's look at those numbers. For my two shirts combined (only looking at positive comments):
1 blank box, 5 yellow boxes, 3 orange boxes, 23 blue bloxes, 13 red boxes, 5 black boxes.
So, for every user who commented that they liked the shirt who had only 1 woot, there was one who had 25 or more. (And if you think that number is suspiciously high for my TWO entries combined, drakxxx's one entry alone has 6 comments from people with just a single purchase).

3. My shirts don't actually sell that well anyway, so who is voting on them?

My shirts, on average, have each sold 1000 more than the average for derby winners since I joined (if you include dailies in that number, it's a much larger difference even, but I think comparing to derby entries only is fair).

So please don't try to argue with me that the people who like my shirts are sketchy, or that they can't be real, or that they don't actually make purchases without actually looking into the numbers. These things are very easy to look up, but people instead choose to blurt out whatever they think will cast doubt on me without taking two seconds to actually think it through or see if there is any validity in their claims.

I'm sick of responding to these stupid claims and was planning to just ignore it because it's pointless to respond, but since I was called out for not defending myself, I decided I might as well. Not like it matters either way- I can present undeniable proof and people will still say that it's impossible that people vote on something they don't personally like.

Oh, and as a sidenote, don't tell me to wikipedia search steampunk. If you are going by wikipedia, it says "Since the 1990s, the application of the steampunk label has expanded beyond works set in recognizable historical periods (usually the 19th century) to works set in fantasy worlds that rely heavily on steam- or spring-powered technology," which negates 90% of the comments about why various things within the derby aren't steampunk.


You, know, the very fact that you have three shirts in the fog, and at one point last month had half the reckoning list really makes you hard to believe. Not even Cho or jimmyo had your level of success here. You either brought a fanbase or you bought one, ether way your constant printing on this site makes it dang near impossible for other more talented artists to get prints especially when you get people voting for whatever design you put up there.

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thisisme84 wrote:I am pretty sure I love you.


thank ya
i hope you have grapefruits (girl ones)

This site cracks me up, its even more fun than youtube comments because you people are supposedly "artists" and all have these masterful opinions that don't even matter when people like me start voting..

BTW i have 3-10 woots, all shirt.woots, i havnt even bought from reg. or wine yet. so, yeah, raise it all you want, people like me exist!

(also, i am not ramyb posting under one of my 1000 names)

(ooo, now you don't know what to think!!)
haha

~
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eHalcyon


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cobolisdead wrote:You, know, the very fact that you have three shirts in the fog, and at one point last month had half the reckoning list really makes you hard to believe. Not even Cho or jimmyo had your level of success here. You either brought a fanbase or you bought one, ether way your constant printing on this site makes it dang near impossible for other more talented artists to get prints especially when you get people voting for whatever design you put up there.


I think it's appropriate and justified to complain about ramy and seki's designs for their off-topic-ness, persistent similarity, etc. but it is ridiculous to bash them just because they are successful. Sure, they have arguably had more success than Cho did (note: jimiyo has always been too good for Woot and has never really been successful here), but just barely. To complain about their success and not Cho's is hypocritical. Maybe people are forgetting just how successful he was because he's been gone for so long. He's very nearly swept derbies before, with multiple entries in the fog and in the top ten. Someone even left a comment in his flying penguin's thread that implies the person voted on name only. Sure, they have fans here that vote for them. So does every other regular artist here - Edgar, Loopy, tgentry, Boots, drakxxx, skirochester - they all have established fan bases. It's just ridiculous to complain that people who like their work are voting for their entries. That's the whole point of the derby.

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eHalcyon wrote:I think it's appropriate and justified to complain about ramy and seki's designs for their off-topic-ness, persistent similarity, etc. but it is ridiculous to bash them just because they are successful. Sure, they have arguably had more success than Cho did (note: jimiyo has always been too good for Woot and has never really been successful here), but just barely. To complain about their success and not Cho's is hypocritical. Maybe people are forgetting just how successful he was because he's been gone for so long. He's very nearly swept derbies before, with multiple entries in the fog and in the top ten. Someone even left a comment in his flying penguin's thread that implies the person voted on name only. Sure, they have fans here that vote for them. So does every other regular artist here - Edgar, Loopy, tgentry, Boots, drakxxx, skirochester - they all have established fan bases. It's just ridiculous to complain that people who like their work are voting for their entries. That's the whole point of the derby.


I like to think of them as weeds. If woot lets them grow out of control, it will stifle out the grass(Being the other artists). Like I said, they either bought or brought fans with them, and it's made this place insanely difficult for other artist to compete when they constantly throw guppy up that has to be justified on topic from a certain point of view and it prints.

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eHalcyon


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cobolisdead wrote:I like to think of them as weeds. If woot lets them grow out of control, it will stifle out the grass(Being the other artists). Like I said, they either bought or brought fans with them, and it's made this place insanely difficult for other artist to compete when they constantly throw guppy up that has to be justified on topic from a certain point of view and it prints.


Yes I agree - those designs of theirs that are off-topic (particularly prominent this week, though it is not always the case) are screwing up the derby. That's unrelated to having fans. Other artists have fans. And there's no reason to believe that those fans didn't just come from the ever-growing pool of voters. Cho's previous stranglehold on the derby made it difficult for other artists to compete as well - I know I always feared his late entries since they almost always skyrocketed up the charts and into the fog.

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Ramyb, keep up the good work. You know you are doing well when people get so jealous over your success. I guess I am categorized as a "normal, everyday" woot user. I started off buying a few shirts, then noticed the voting process. I vote for what I like and I don't even pay attention to who created it. I have noticed on the past few derbies that I have voted on some of the same artists. Well, I must like their style. That's okay, right? I'm not a trained artist. I don't get all technical about what I see. I vote for designs that I enjoy and that I would actually wear on a shirt(or would look cute on my 3 yr old). I think some of you are getting WAY too dramatic and obsessed about this. I normally don't post much of anything on this website. I vote and move on with my life. I just hate to see someone get tarred and feathered over something that really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

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eHalcyon wrote:Yes I agree - those designs of theirs that are off-topic (particularly prominent this week, though it is not always the case) are screwing up the derby. That's unrelated to having fans. Other artists have fans. And there's no reason to believe that those fans didn't just come from the ever-growing pool of voters. Cho's previous stranglehold on the derby made it difficult for other artists to compete as well - I know I always feared his late entries since they almost always skyrocketed up the charts and into the fog.


I find it really frustrating to see designs that are pretty clearly offtopic dominating. I think if woot put up their topic each week, and rejected with a broad brush, so that things which aren't really Steam-punk, or don't shout Art Deco, or seduce with their Art Nouveau beauty get rejected. I'd every week like to see that the winner of Woot's Racing derby, for example, actually showed a kick-ass version of racing, and the Sunset derby was about sunsets. I wouldn't mind if my designs got rejected for being off-topic if they are off topic, like this week's design may well be, and I don't think others would either, provided everyone is treated the same way. The rub is that woot is currently wildly inconsistent in their treatment of individuals, and I'm afraid they wouldn't institute the kind of controls on rejection that fairness would require.

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Josephus wrote:I find it really frustrating to see designs that are pretty clearly offtopic dominating. I think if woot put up their topic each week, and rejected with a broad brush, so that things which aren't really Steam-punk, or don't shout Art Deco, or seduce with their Art Nouveau beauty get rejected. I'd every week like to see that the winner of Woot's Racing derby, for example, actually showed a kick-ass version of racing, and the Sunset derby was about sunsets. I wouldn't mind if my designs got rejected for being off-topic if they are off topic, like this week's design may well be, and I don't think others would either, provided everyone is treated the same way. The rub is that woot is currently wildly inconsistent in their treatment of individuals, and I'm afraid they wouldn't institute the kind of controls on rejection that fairness would require.


Truth, truth. Though I am not so excited at the prospect of a derby devoted entirely to sunsets.

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eHalcyon wrote:Truth, truth. Though I am not so excited at the prospect of a derby devoted entirely to sunsets.


I'd actually like to see that one.

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Re: Let's Play


I don't know if anyone else mentioned this.. but I wish the dog were fetching a wrench instead. Think it would tie it up better with the theme.

Though, congrats. And I think those textures and on the robot are fantastic.

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eHalcyon wrote:Truth, truth. Though I am not so excited at the prospect of a derby devoted entirely to sunsets.


Well, they could be on Mars, or Saturn, or something. But there'd have to be a sun, and it'd have to be setting. No sunrises. ;^)

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Ramyb, I am really liking all of the textures you are using. Lined shadows, half tone smoke and texture on the robot.


Re: Let's Play

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eHalcyon wrote:I think it's appropriate and justified to complain about ramy and seki's designs for their off-topic-ness, persistent similarity, etc. but it is ridiculous to bash them just because they are successful. Sure, they have arguably had more success than Cho did (note: jimiyo has always been too good for Woot and has never really been successful here), but just barely. To complain about their success and not Cho's is hypocritical. Maybe people are forgetting just how successful he was because he's been gone for so long. He's very nearly swept derbies before, with multiple entries in the fog and in the top ten. Someone even left a comment in his flying penguin's thread that implies the person voted on name only. Sure, they have fans here that vote for them. So does every other regular artist here - Edgar, Loopy, tgentry, Boots, drakxxx, skirochester - they all have established fan bases. It's just ridiculous to complain that people who like their work are voting for their entries. That's the whole point of the derby.


Totally agree. As a fan of most of the artists you listed, I look for their entries and vote if I want. If I don't like (and there has been MANY times), I won't vote.
BTW, I do look at every entry to the derbies and vote accordingly. You will not hear any bashing from me on any threads, I just move on. To those who do bash, I read your comments, take it with a grain of salt and continue on.

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Re: Let's Play


I actually took my vote back on this one. This really doesn't feel "steampunk" to me. All I get is a robot with a random dog thrown in there, but none of actual theme.

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koronae wrote:...

(Also, I've never denied Ramyb doesn't have talent. I just believe that he often fails to utilize it. Go look at the art he did before he got into the anime cutsie BS.)


Exquisite use of the double negative. I too have never denied that Ramyb "doesn't have talent"...when I begin denying, someone may strike me :-)

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eHalcyon wrote:I think it's appropriate and justified to complain about ramy and seki's designs for their off-topic-ness, persistent similarity, etc. but it is ridiculous to bash them just because they are successful. Sure, they have arguably had more success than Cho did (note: jimiyo has always been too good for Woot and has never really been successful here), but just barely. To complain about their success and not Cho's is hypocritical. Maybe people are forgetting just how successful he was because he's been gone for so long. He's very nearly swept derbies before, with multiple entries in the fog and in the top ten. Someone even left a comment in his flying penguin's thread that implies the person voted on name only. Sure, they have fans here that vote for them. So does every other regular artist here - Edgar, Loopy, tgentry, Boots, drakxxx, skirochester - they all have established fan bases. It's just ridiculous to complain that people who like their work are voting for their entries. That's the whole point of the derby.


Woot paid for my car parts >:D

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bpr2 wrote:what woot needs to do to foil the obvious 1 woot item voters is to raise the amount of items bought needed to vote from the current number to perhaps 10-20 items in order to vote.

Just my 2¢

and to add to this.

they shouldn't show the names of the artists during the voting period, and only reveal them after the voting time has ended, or when the shirt gets printed.


The second part is brilliant. First part i could maybe sort of kind of roll with.

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Re: Let's Play


If we're wanting Woot to hide the names thinking it will somehow curb Seki and Ramy's popularity, that's laughable at best. Furthermore, the system sounds good when presented as that singular idea, but:

1) What would stop an artist from just owning up to it in the threads?
2) Is there a punishment for that? What and why?
3) What about artists that advertise or post about their work elsewhere? I mean, as many people that there are that like to think Ramy and Seki are running a stable of hundreds of accounts, there ARE other people voting for them, and there definitely are other people buying their shirts. These could be your casual Woot-goer or a fanbase from offsite.

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Really want Steampunk Willie to make it

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So let's think about things a little. Most people join when they buy a shirt, right? So if wooters seriously do like ramy/seki shirts, then it would make perfect sense that all these accounts would appear AFTER ramy/seki shirts started being sold.

Get your causality right, yo.

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cxl wrote:So let's think about things a little. Most people join when they buy a shirt, right? So if wooters seriously do like ramy/seki shirts, then it would make perfect sense that all these accounts would appear AFTER ramy/seki shirts started being sold.

Get your causality right, yo.


Of course, it makes perfect sense. But that doesn't make it right. I'd like to give Ramy and Seki the benefit of the doubt on the whole "multiple accounts" thing.

I know that people just want cool shirts, but most of the popular artists will usually submit their artwork on other sites where they may better fit a theme or may not have a theme. Why can't people just skip the vote and request it be submmitted elsewhere (or is the need for instant gratification that intense)?!

Another problem I see is (and has been) that the majority of their voters just don't seem to be part of the "community". The "community" being those that participate. Not necessarily submitting entries, but that:

1) Read the theme
2) Vote for their favorite entries that FIT the theme, without the need to validate relevance
3) Interact with the "community" regularly and meaningfully; not just leaving "love it!!!" comments, or flaming others who have posted valid comments

I know that the non-participants will always be around and can't be stopped; but it saddens me that the purpose of Shirt.Woot's themed derby is slowly, but surely, being undermined...

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this is a shirt that may incorporate steampunk, but it's not what the design is about. Just look at the thumbnail - the shirt's about the dog. It's a cute pet in an unconventional setting; but that could be said for far too many of your/sek's shirts (every once in a while is okay because a lot of artists have submitted something along those lines, but that theme in your stuff is reoccurring.)

Also, there are a lot of definitions of what's steampunk out there, but here's my rule: If I don't think "cool" after seeing it, the design isn't representing steampunk. It should make mechanical engineers marvel at what could be accomplished, what fabulous combination of art and power could produce something so complicated yet elegant. This has a robot in it, and that's all I feel when I see it.

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smedgrick wrote:sek's


teehee

eHalcyon


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BaldBob007 wrote:Of course, it makes perfect sense. But that doesn't make it right. I'd like to give Ramy and Seki the benefit of the doubt on the whole "multiple accounts" thing.

I know that people just want cool shirts, but most of the popular artists will usually submit their artwork on other sites where they may better fit a theme or may not have a theme. Why can't people just skip the vote and request it be submmitted elsewhere (or is the need for instant gratification that intense)?!

Another problem I see is (and has been) that the majority of their voters just don't seem to be part of the "community". The "community" being those that participate. Not necessarily submitting entries, but that:

1) Read the theme
2) Vote for their favorite entries that FIT the theme, without the need to validate relevance
3) Interact with the "community" regularly and meaningfully; not just leaving "love it!!!" comments, or flaming others who have posted valid comments

I know that the non-participants will always be around and can't be stopped; but it saddens me that the purpose of Shirt.Woot's themed derby is slowly, but surely, being undermined...


The majority of voters on ANY entry - not just those belonging to Ramy and Seki - are members of this "non-participant" group of which you speak.

The derby is supposed to be a democracy, so letting "non-participants" vote is, in fact, a purpose of the derby. Just because someone refrains from commenting or has a looser interpretation of the theme doesn't mean they should be made into pariahs.

In any case, they are participating by voting. If only the "participants" as you defined them could vote, then the voting pool would be pretty much static. The community grows when new people start voting and, eventually, join in on the commentary (and all the delightful drama as well). If these newbies can't vote, many will be disinclined to join in on the conversation. Not to mention, you'd then have to have some arbiter watching all the members, arbitrarily deciding which members were "participating", since general guidelines like "post x number of times" would only prompt people to start spamming and finding other ways around the rules.

I'll agree that I am disappointed when designs that I feel are off-topic end up going to print. But I'm not going to fault the voters, since many of them probably considered the design on theme, as they understood it. I fault Woot for failing to reject the offending piece.

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eHalcyon wrote:The majority of voters on ANY entry - not just those belonging to Ramy and Seki - are members of this "non-participant" group of which you speak...


I apologize if my entire post was taken to be against Ramy and Seki, I only meant to address them in the first paragraph about multiple accounts.

I definitely agree that new voters should be encouraged. Who would be here if they weren't? I was "attempting" to comment on the fact that the majority seem to be non-participants and consistently vote off-theme.

Shirt.Woot, on the other hand, is wildly inconsistent in its rejections (as you mentioned). I was impressed by how strict Art Deco was, then there was this week...

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BaldBob007 wrote:I apologize if my entire post was taken to be against Ramy and Seki, I only meant to address them in the first paragraph about multiple accounts.

I definitely agree that new voters should be encouraged. Who would be here if they weren't? I was "attempting" to comment on the fact that the majority seem to be non-participants and consistently vote off-theme.

Shirt.Woot, on the other hand, is wildly inconsistent in its rejections (as you mentioned). I was impressed by how strict Art Deco was, then there was this week...


In that case, sorry for misinterpreting.

Again though, how many don't care about theme and how many just interpret the theme differently? Although there were certain designs in this derby that I felt weren't steampunk, I could also see how others might potentially consider them to be on topic, if they were more open-minded, had a loose interpretation or were just a little less well-informed on what "Steampunk" entails. Again, that ball is in Woot's court.

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ramyb wrote:Continual submitting, as in I did two designs that you consider similar 3 months apart? I feel that if I do a design that's a "googly eyed animal" once every 5 or 6 weeks, it's more of an exception than a rule. It amazes me that every week that I don't do a cute animal, people say that it's great to see something different from me, when I rarely submit cute animals anymore. On top of that, this design is not a "googly eyed animal" at all. In fact, you can hardly see the animal's eye in the design because it's so small.

Anyway, I'm done defending this design. I put a lot of time into it, I'm happy with it, and it's different from the rest of the entries in the derby. I think I accomplished my mission.



I'm sorry that these people are so rude to you (some of them). Your design is cute and if they don't like it, then they don't need to vote for it. But I really am surprised by the attacks. I guess I haven't been reading comments lately - but obviously there's some in the community who have gone all snarky.

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elwayman02 wrote:mmm, The Iron Giant, anyone?


SUUUUPPPEEERMAN

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Re: Let's Play


FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Let's Play

I just really like it. Reminds me of all the cool dogs we've had over the years and that anything likes to have fun, maybe even a huge steam powered robot and a lil mutt.

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I just like it....not 'dark' and goth. I can wear this on emergencies at the vet hospital and still look 'friendly'....yay, a dog and not a butterfly.

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really like the shirt man. I'm in for one :D

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