Derby #92: Steampunk
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The Girl in Red

The Girl in Red
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sekiyoku


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This took so long... I ended up changing it around a bit from what I originally intended. Thanks to Ramy for help with the halftones.

SickGirl


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It's so lovely!!

chade2001


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this is bad@$$!!! though, at first glance, i thought it was from drakxxxxxxx.

gone!

koronae


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I've got such mixed feelings on this piece. I think the girl looks great, personally. I like that this is a red riding hood homage. I also like the armor on the wolf. But the steampipes on it's back just look kind of silly to me. This doesn't exactly scream steampunk to me personally, but it is a good try.

Jestik


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Your best work, I believe. I may like this one better than Lust Red.

Caldagar


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This design is awesome! Love it!

databit


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Awesome work!

Very nice piece.

GMV

AGrant311


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Seki, this is amazing. I'm in agreement that this is one of your best designs here at Woot I've seen. It looks like you stepped out of your comfort zone a bit; the results for doing that here look like they will pay off. With how the Red Riding images do "pop" up in pop culture (Angela Carter's literature, Anne Sexton poetry, movies like "The Howling," etc.) this is really neat take. To sum it all up, "Wow."

gizagiza


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That is BADASS.

humboof


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cool i love it! this is very artistic and perfectly colored. i like your art style. hope it wins! +1 vote

AGrant311


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To add to my previous post, I'm now singing, "Hello, Little Girl," which is the wolf's song to Little Red in Stephen Sondheim's musical, "Into the Woods."

braveBebe


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This dosen't look like stempunk! You should've gave the girl HUGE goggles and one of those big furry hats that covers her ears. Oh and you need an artificial metal arm in there somewhere and maybe some smoke out of her ears... JK this is perfect. Any more steampunkiness would have ruined it. I love it, hope you get into the fog...

hajile


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Hm, interesting submission.

The girl looks great, but the wolf just doesn't look steampunk to me. It just looks like he has armor on.

Plus, on top of that, the piping protruding from the wolf's back aren't very clear. I thought the smoke itself was hair...

IndependentVik


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Well, I'll be. I think this is the only submission of yours that I genuinely like. If I weren't grappling with unemployment, I'd consider getting it if it placed.

xaon


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Hey you finally submitted!
This is an amazing design. The illustration is very well-executed, the colors are really vivid and not bland, and the color scheme is finally something different than brown or gray (like most other submissions). This is one of the only entries in this derby i would actually wear

Great work, it deserves to win

Anisoptera


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I love this! I hope you make it into the fog! The colors are beautiful and this shirt really speaks to me!!!!

LightSpiral


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I really like this illustration and the colors incorporated into the design. I'd love to have it as a shirt. However, I'm conflicted about actually giving it my vote because it really isn't representative of steampunk. Granted it incorporates a few aspects, but I'm not convinced there are enough of them to adhere to the spirit of this particular derby.

Again, I would want it as a shirt, just not sure it fits into this particular derby. If it doesn't place, I hope it will be available through some other means.

This is a great illustrative direction for you. I hope to see more like this.

kylemittskus


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STEAMPUNK! Not armor with a bit of smoke coming out of it.

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mrgodly


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misinterpretation of steampunnk ...

rekenner


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Wow.
I *love* this shirt.
I mean, like, f5ing rapidly at midnight CST to get first sucker on this shirt because I don't want to risk it selling out love.
Got my vote, have my definite in for one.

SaritaBeth


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I had no idea that was steam coming out of the top of that pokemon until someone said something. it looks like hair.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

SaritaBeth


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SaritaBeth wrote:I had no idea that was steam coming out of the top of that pokemon until someone said something. it looks like hair.


actually, let me revise that statement a bit..its really more digimon than pokemon. but I still had no idea it was steam.

and another Edgar gets printed:

Fiction vs. Non-Fiction

http://cameesa.com/buy/design/168/fiction-vs-non-fiction

ZMaiden


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This is gorgeous, and the little teaser bit of a story caught my interest. On the positive, this is definitely a step-up in terms of intricacy in your art. Your color choices are eye-catching as well.

I do have a few critiques though, I hope you understand I am in no way being negative. This design does have steampunk elements, but two things knock it out of the genre for me. The woman's ragged red cloak, and the hint of landscape hint at a bit to much dystopia for me to feel the steam punk. Maybe if her clothing was a bit more high-class Victorian, then you could dirty it up and keep the steampunk feel. Also, the armor on the creature should be more the focus of the creature than it's own odd nature. Nothing about steampunk disallows the concept of animals not found in nature, I just feel the armor is too vague and undetailed. Steampunk armor would be "more is definitely more." Yeah, a second look at the woman's clothing is just not at all steampunk. It just looks too much like vinyl and synthetic materials. It's too smooth, you should go with harsher materials. Sorry to nitpick

ViciousSandpiper


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Cool design, but the steampunk element comes across as kind of an afterthought.

Stormink


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Are you serious Woot?!

Seki just frickin stuck some damn smoke towers on the back of an armored wolf and called it steampunk? Is this a joke? What the hell is the steam powering anyway? His metal armor? Give me a break. Blatantly not following theme.

Steampunk is about a Victorian take on the future using steampowered machinery and Victorian materials. While the Red Riding Hood girl maybe slightly approaching that, this design doesn't have any of that at all.

Its a dumb wolf in armor.

Who cares about text? Reject things that actually don't follow the theme.

rglee129


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Agree that it's not very steampunkish, but it is a great drawing. It has a lot of impact, and the shape of the negative space ties it together nicely.

godierst


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At first glance, it looks really interesting. But then you see some massive, strangely placed smokestacks coming out of the wolf's back and are all "The breadsticks need marinara!"!? They're really oddly placed and seem out of proportion with the rest of the wolf. That and they just make no sense at all -- what the hell are they actually powering, anyways?

Xenora


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This is amazing, but it strikes me more as cyberpunk than steampunk.

Can you do a resub? The wolf needs gears and the smokestacks need to look more like tailpipes than factory smokestacks

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If there are any repeat posts, blame my stupid computer!

sekiyoku


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Wow, thank you for all the positive feedback. I'm glad that you enjoyed the design, I really love drawing things like this, but I don't like doing it for tshirt designs because you are limited to 6 colors and therefore limited in what you can do with the picture.

Now on the touchy subject of steampunk/not steampunk - I think the lineart was much more steampunky than the finished version, see here: http://i42.tinypic.com/2410042.jpg The wolf was supposed to be part metal, part organic, and powered by like a furnace type thing- hence the red light coming out from the cracks of the metal and the smokestacks. Unfortunately, it came out a little too organic and so I can see why it would look like armor instead of looking like it's part machine. Red, on the other hand, I think is completely steampunk, minus the hood - I wasn't sure about the hood, but I liked the way that it looked with the ragged edges, so I did it like that, and I didn't think it was NOT steampunk particularly. Anyway, I understand if you choose not to vote because of it, but I believe that in art style derbies, there can be many interpretations of the style.

Regardless, thanks for the support on the design.

Tremortime


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Wow, I do like this. I'd buy it. I'm worried it might get rejected for not being Steampunky enough though.

lucky1988


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Wicked illustration, love the shading and highlights.

arcticwolfe


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I assumed that the red light coming from the wolf's body implied that the creature is mostly clockwork powered by steam.

This is my favorite Derby contender. I hope it gets printed.

DreadTaco


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I want... no, I NEED this.

kurokami


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pikachu, I choose you!111111

Lota


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This is gorgeous!!

mixer23


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Oh yeah, a wolf with armor. This is steampunk at it's best o-m-g o-m-g l o l z dis is teh awesomses. Ugh, has to be one of the worst shirts in this derby

jasneko


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I wouldn't wear this, but impressive illustration.


kinzoku


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I really dig the wasteland feel to this. It seems like this should be the cover to a book or graphic novel of a very dramatic Western-fantasy twist to Little Red Riding Hood.

Tremortime


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I love this more and more every time I see it. Red's shotgun clinches it.

cramill


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This looks more like Anime than Steampunk to me...

adamsw216


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This is a great illustration, but I wouldn't wear it on a shirt.

Sniper078


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mixer23 wrote:Oh yeah, a wolf with armor. This is steampunk at it's best o-m-g o-m-g l o l z dis is teh awesomses. Ugh, has to be one of the worst shirts in this derby


says the guy that probably voted for the flying penguin

felloffthebus


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Wow, I thought this was drakxxx's. This is my favorite design by sekiyoku, but it isn't steampunk. A very nice attempt, and it's very appealing.

kylemittskus


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kinzoku wrote:I really dig the wasteland feel to this.


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Atros


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This is disappointing. I don't understand why this entry is anywhere near the top. The theme of this contest is steampunk, can someone please explain to me, specifically how this image represents steampunk?

Steampunk is typically inspired by design and craftsmanship from the victorian era, though at its root, steampunk is the chronological displacement of technological advances in a given era. What era does this represent? At best, it's just a confused anime drawing.

Even if you were to TRY and call it 'fantasy steampunk', there is nothing that suggests any kind of technological accomplishment of an era, and the fact that it apparently has "steam pipes" on the back of the wolf means nothing. They really fit with the cliche red eye.

The entire design just says to me "I don't get it. I missed the point of steampunk." And even with that aside, the design is very uninspired and boring. In fact, maybe the artist would have done better if they hadn't taken their inspiration from this:

http://www.thedigiport.com/01/01/metalgarurumon.jpg

mllemeranii


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felloffthebus wrote:Wow, I thought this was drakxxx's. This is my favorite design by sekiyoku, but it isn't steampunk. A very nice attempt, and it's very appealing.


Wow what an insult. Drak only creates amazing work. Not guppy.

gesangbaer


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It's always nice to see elitists rear their ugly heads and pigeon-hole a style into some specific definition that only leaves room for their narrow ideas.

Considering the era the red riding hood story comes from, I think this image is definitely steam punk.

DiamondFace


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It's a cool design, but it is not steampunk. I didn't even know what the smokestacks were until I read the comments. It just looks like stylized hair.

I can't picture Woot not rejecting this. The whole point of the derby is to make art that explores a theme, and this one really fails to adhere to that theme. Bottom line for me, if I saw it on a shirt, I would think Medieval-fantasy-adventure, not steampunk.

I love sekiyoku's stuff, and this too is great artwork, but it absolutely does not follow the theme. And there are so many really creative submissions that work within the constraints of steampunk this week that I think it would be a shame if this one ended up being printed.

elsnerma


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The design is great, but I can't see myself buying it because it doesn't really fit this derby, as others have said.

cobolisdead


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This strikes me more as a Final Fantasy design than steampunk.

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Tabernack


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Maybe it's just me but I don't see whats so steampunk about this. Just because the wolf has metal on it ....? Gimme a break.

eHalcyon


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cobolisdead wrote:This strikes me more as a Final Fantasy design than steampunk.


It doesn't strike me as either. Well, the girl is almost steampunk and the wolf is almost cyberpunk, maybe...

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Tabernack


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felloffthebus wrote:Wow, I thought this was drakxxx's. This is my favorite design by sekiyoku, but it isn't steampunk. A very nice attempt, and it's very appealing.


Didn't you know? Seki and Ramy don't have to follow the rules here bub.

justnaota


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eHalcyon wrote:It doesn't strike me as either. Well, the girl is almost steampunk and the wolf is almost cyberpunk, maybe...


Not cyberpunk, anything but.

Sekiyoku just decided that drawing a Zoid was preferable.

leebd


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This looks awesome... i might buy it if it wins

sekiyoku


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leebd wrote:This looks awesome... i might buy it if it wins


Thanks

HeartlineTwist


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gesangbaer wrote:It's always nice to see elitists rear their ugly heads and pigeon-hole a style into some specific definition that only leaves room for their narrow ideas.

Considering the era the red riding hood story comes from, I think this image is definitely steam punk.


I'm sorry, but that's simply absurd. Little Red Riding Hood comes from the same era that steampunk depicts/stylizes/borrows from, thus, somehow, Little Red Riding Hood is steampunk...BRILLIANT!

That said, it DOES look like a zoid, which isn't a good thing.

I mean, say what you will, but I don't think I've seen a bunch of any sort of steampunk that's like "Hey, what if we had an organic mechanized wolf that doesn't really look like much of a machine, but rather, and armored wolf..."

I mean, I will usually defend Seki and Ramy, but I don't think it's blind hatred and narrow tailoring that's getting the naysayers out in droves this time. I mean, hell, it's a cool illustration, but the wolf is too far off/armored looking for me to say "STEAMPUNK!" and we can't see enough of Red for me to say steampunk either. The arm and the clothing just doesn't quite do it for me.

wizard7926


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sekiyoku wrote:.. but I believe that in art style derbies, there can be many interpretations of the style.


Seki, it's a cool design and all, really -- but it's not steampunk. Great design, neat "interpretation" and all, but.. you get the idea. It just doesn't fit the theme.

We're looking at the exact same thing that happened with Ramy's design in the Art Deco Derby a few contests ago. This isn't taking nearly the flak that Ramy's design took, but I have a feeling that the comments will come. Sorry in advance for that backlash, Seki, because it's really a quality design that just doesn't quite fit the theme for the week, IMO.

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sekiyoku


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wizard7926 wrote:Seki, it's a cool design and all, really -- but it's not steampunk. Great design, neat "interpretation" and all, but.. you get the idea. It just doesn't fit the theme.

We're looking at the exact same thing that happened with Ramy's design in the Art Deco Derby a few contests ago. This isn't taking nearly the flak that Ramy's design took, but I have a feeling that the comments will come. Sorry in advance for that backlash, Seki, because it's really a quality design that just doesn't quite fit the theme for the week, IMO.


Haha, well it is getting a lot of guppy so you're wrong on one account. ;) I still feel like it falls under the theme, I wouldn't have submitted it if it I didn't think so. (though it's fairly pointless to defend it past what I did, people will hate what they hate and like what they like) I don't really think people need to be vicious, if woot thinks it's off topic, they will reject it. As it is, woot has not rejected a single entry for being off topic, and so they could A) have a much broader view of steampunk than some people would like, B) not want to have draw the line of what exactly makes a picture steampunk and what does not or C) not actually know what steampunk is. Whatever the case, it's their contest, and they choose what they believe to be off topic. Even if I disagree with what they do, they are the power here, and I know that I can leave if I find so much issue with the way they run things. As everyone can. ;)

HeartlineTwist wrote:
That said, it DOES look like a zoid, which isn't a good thing.


I like you. At least when you post something I know that you are having your own opinion, and therefore it has some meaning. Although I don't know what you are talking about with zoids. I hadn't heard of them before, but I googled them and they look awesome. They are like transformers, but cuter, or something.

peppersabaddog


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ok i will concede to give credit where credit is due.
this is not as terrible and careless as the majority of your shirt designs at this site are.
thats the best i can do, sorry.
i can appretiate that you took the time to create a design for a change, but its very sad that you had to spend SO much time designing it that you had none left to research what steampunk meant. i get your side of the arguement, really i do, but what you dont realize... is the rest of us see through it and know you didnt "get" it, but pretend you do anyway. thats cool. fake it till you make it will work for you till you are like 30, so keep on keepin on with what you do i guess.

SmijinGT


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Wow...That is just wow...So cool

Tabernack


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sekiyoku wrote:Haha, well it is getting a lot of guppy so you're wrong on one account. ;) I still feel like it falls under the theme, I wouldn't have submitted it if it I didn't think so. (though it's fairly pointless to defend it past what I did, people will hate what they hate and like what they like) I don't really think people need to be vicious, if woot thinks it's off topic, they will reject it. As it is, woot has not rejected a single entry for being off topic, and so they could A) have a much broader view of steampunk than some people would like, B) not want to have draw the line of what exactly makes a picture steampunk and what does not or C) not actually know what steampunk is. Whatever the case, it's their contest, and they choose what they believe to be off topic. Even if I disagree with what they do, they are the power here, and I know that I can leave if I find so much issue with the way they run things. As everyone can. ;)


I like you. At least when you post something I know that you are having your own opinion, and therefore it has some meaning. Although I don't know what you are talking about with zoids. I hadn't heard of them before, but I googled them and they look awesome. They are like transformers, but cuter, or something.


Let's face it, you wouldn't have submitted it if you didn't think you'd get in the fog--OH WAIT. Like many times before you're falling borderline on the theme and rushing to defend it when people call you out. Despite the flow of the design, I don't see much worth anything in this submission personally. It is not steampunk. Period. A) It is quite obvious IF you did understand it "more than some people think" then you obviously would have submitted something to prove it. Steampunk is a pretty clear cut genre of style, people can look it up if they're uncertain, this is the internet afterall. B) woot shouldn't have to lay out every finer point and detail as to what encompasses a particular genre for people to make an effort in adhering to it. There is a big difference between retrofuturistic and steampunk, but it's apparent very few people get that, you included. C) bananas.

There is such little hope in you and Ramy packing up your trash and leaving, despite all the hope a large number of us may have, so don't try to shake your finger and tut-tut at the folks calling you out, reiterating the rules that you so gleefully skirt the edges of, because it's quite apparent to everyone that not only are you full of it with your "almost meets this weeks critera," but that you know you can do just barely enough to get away with it. Boy oh boy, I wonder what would happen if I started to submit borderline, redundant garbage that may or may not contain a semblance of blatantly pre-conceived icons (and then proceed to feign ignorance). People would rip into me too, so don't think for one second that you and your boyfriend Ramy are somehow miraculously exempt from criticism. People aren't jumping all over your case for no good reason.

Looks like you need to take another look at how communities work, and what happens when you spit in their faces.

SeraphSix


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This doesn't look like steampunk at all... What the heck are you thinking?

ack154


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WHO IS VOTING FOR THIS guppy?!

Sorry, just getting really sick of seeing this stuff in the fog. In NO WAY is this on topic. Slapping some steam vents on top of a wolf is NOT steampunk. This one and both of Ramy's are pure guppy. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Like I just said in one of the other shirts... I'm done Woot. No more shirts. No more woots. No more BoCs. No more Monkeys. I'm out. Peace.

Have fun shopping on ramyandseki.shirt.woot.com.

supersonic213


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ack154 wrote:WHO IS VOTING FOR THIS guppy?!

Sorry, just getting really sick of seeing this stuff in the fog. In NO WAY is this on topic. Slapping some steam vents on top of a wolf is NOT steampunk. This one and both of Ramy's are pure guppy. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Like I just said in one of the other shirts... I'm done Woot. No more shirts. No more woots. No more BoCs. No more Monkeys. I'm out. Peace.

Have fun shopping on ramyandseki.shirt.woot.com.


We'll miss you and your multiple accounts? ^_^

Maybe other shirt sites like listening to whining and crying. I'm glad it isn't this one.

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2thFairy


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Why does this dog have steam coming out of it armor? Is that the exhaust from a bad burrito?

This is not steampunk.. it is a dog wearing armor.

marzipanapple


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I'm not 'feeling' steampunk when I view this, but I would also like to say that I'm glad to see Seki doing something other than fluffy bunnies. ;) Good on 'ya Seki.

Also, I'd like to say something that will probably be falling on deaf ears (eyes?): Us critics would have a lot more respect from those that matter if we would set an example and be less jerky/more helpful.

supersonic213


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That said, I have to agree that the final design doesn't really fit the theme well. However, your intentions are VERY clear from the line art that you were going for the theme pretty strongly from the beginning and at least we know you weren't just trying to slip this one past the rejectionator or anything ^_^ So thanks very much for posting that.

It's been said here... it's another awesome design (one of many from you!), but would perhaps fit better in another derby. If woot! is listening, how about "Fairy Tales Reimagined"?

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cobolisdead


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Can woot print those small half tones in the wolf's shadow?

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fivestring


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Great art - terrible adherence to the theme.

hasdgfas


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sorry seki, but I don't feel like this is steampunk. It feels like "extreme red riding hood". It just looks like the wolf is armored and that red riding hood is hunting it.
I don't see anything that screams "steampunk"

sdsnowbrdr


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Seriously ? Nice drawing but waaaaay off theme.

alfbo


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Tabernack wrote: *snip first part of post

There is such little hope in you and Ramy packing up your trash and leaving, despite all the hope a large number of us may have, so don't try to shake your finger and tut-tut at the folks calling you out, reiterating the rules that you so gleefully skirt the edges of, because it's quite apparent to everyone that not only are you full of it with your "almost meets this weeks critera," but that you know you can do just barely enough to get away with it. Boy oh boy, I wonder what would happen if I started to submit borderline, redundant garbage that may or may not contain a semblance of blatantly pre-conceived icons (and then proceed to feign ignorance). People would rip into me too, so don't think for one second that you and your boyfriend Ramy are somehow miraculously exempt from criticism. People aren't jumping all over your case for no good reason.

Looks like you need to take another look at how communities work, and what happens when you spit in their faces.


How about we keep comments about submissions in the realm of constructive criticism and leave out the personal animus? I snipped the first part of you post because I think that part was constructive. But the part I left in above... I think personal attacks on designers are out of line.

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DiamondFace wrote:
I can't picture Woot not rejecting this.


Then you don't know the woot judges very well

They have a track record for allowing off topic designs from popular artists.

I am personally a fan of seki's stuff. This is a very gorgeous looking design. I don't think i would wear it on a shirt, but it would look great on a poster.

And it's SO NOT steampunk.

This design will continue to fog and most likely print.

Steampunk is much easier to understand than art deco, IMO.
I agree that things are open to interpretation, but only to the extent that they remain on topic.

Anyway, we all went over this back on the art deco theme.

IMO, if there are this many people telling you that you are off topic, then it's likely that you are indeed off-topic.

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if it look like wolf and make bark like wolf, then is probably wolf.

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supersonic213 wrote:That said, I have to agree that the final design doesn't really fit the theme well. However, your intentions are VERY clear from the line art that you were going for the theme pretty strongly from the beginning and at least we know you weren't just trying to slip this one past the rejectionator or anything ^_^ So thanks very much for posting that.


Glad you recognized where I was going with the lineart, even I admit that the final product is not as steampunk as I would like, but I think if I had taken the coloring in a different direction, it would look more like a typical steampunk picture. It doesn't look like it will print anyway, so my best hope is that it can get an honorable mention, and then in double take, it won't matter what the original theme was.

marzipanapple wrote:I'm not 'feeling' steampunk when I view this, but I would also like to say that I'm glad to see Seki doing something other than fluffy bunnies. ;) Good on 'ya Seki.

Also, I'd like to say something that will probably be falling on deaf ears (eyes?): Us critics would have a lot more respect from those that matter if we would set an example and be less jerky/more helpful.


Ramy is moreso the bunnies/rodents person. ;) But thanks.

And I couldn't agree with you more on the second part. I don't know why people who say things like "this isn't steampunk, it's CRA P" expect me to pay attention to them at all.

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sekiyoku wrote:I don't know why people who say things like "this isn't steampunk, it's CRA P" expect me to pay attention to them at all.


I never said it was guppy. It's a VERY cool design, but it doesn't fit the theme.
It's more like cyberpunk than steampunk.

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supersonic213 wrote:We'll miss you and your multiple accounts? ^_^


Hehehe... irony anyone?

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ack154 wrote:WHO IS VOTING FOR THIS guppy?!


I, for one. I have no problem voting for a shirt I like regardless of the derby's theme, especially when it's a theme I don't know or care about. I don't place much stock in categorizing things in general and feel fine to leave entry eligibility up to shirt.woot.

For whatever reason, today I like this shirt. Tomorrow I may not and take back my vote. If I'd consider buying (and wearing) something, I vote.

I have voted for two shirts in this derby: this and the one we're discussing here.

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supersonic213 wrote:We'll miss you and your multiple accounts? ^_^

Maybe other shirt sites like listening to whining and crying. I'm glad it isn't this one.

Why would I want to have multiple accounts? For what possible use would they be? I've only ever had one account. This one. It is perhaps the other direction you should direct the "multiple accounts" joke.

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alfbo wrote:How about we keep comments about submissions in the realm of constructive criticism and leave out the personal animus? I snipped the first part of you post because I think that part was constructive. But the part I left in above... I think personal attacks on designers are out of line.


I do believe that is my right, good sir. Nothing wrong with being truthful and it's completely valid.

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Re: The Girl in Red


Oh wow. O.O This just might be my favorite submission for this derby! Awesome work, man!

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Moondragon wrote:I, for one. I have no problem voting for a shirt I like regardless of the derby's theme, especially when it's a theme I don't know or care about. I don't place much stock in categorizing things in general and feel fine to leave entry eligibility up to shirt.woot.


This is NOT steampunk in the slightest, and attitudes like this really piss me off - if good designers stick to the theme and turn out really great artwork that is on topic, and then someone else turns out a shirt that people like but that is not to the theme, well, what is the point of the other designers sticking to the theme too? I was really looking forward to this derby to get some hardcore steampunk designs, and now the only stuff left in the fog - with the somewhat exception of Cho's shirt - is non-theme, non-steampunk. How about some real vetting here woot? Isn't that the point of the theme?

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braveBebe wrote:This dosen't look like stempunk! You should've gave the girl HUGE goggles and one of those big furry hats that covers her ears. Oh and you need an artificial metal arm in there somewhere and maybe some smoke out of her ears... JK this is perfect. Any more steampunkiness would have ruined it. I love it, hope you get into the fog...

So you're saying it's OK that the design completely misses the theme of the derby because it looks good?

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kylemittskus wrote:T.S. Eliot hates you and your stupid soul.


Best post ever!

Carpe shirtem!

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Sniper078 wrote:says the guy that probably voted for the flying penguin


Why yes, I did vote for the penguin... Which happens to be 10 times more steampunk than a mega zord and little red riding hood holding a shotgun.

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Re: The Girl in Red


I think this design is totally killer. Pretty far from my understanding of what steampunk is, but frankly, very few of this derby's designs tap into the Victorian influence that marks true steampunk for me, so I guess my thought is, at least this one's well done.

Though I, too, could do without the smokestacks. They do seem a touch nonsensical.

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I'm going to be infuriated if this shirt doesn't win a place in the winners, I want this shirt reeeeeaaaaally bad.

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ack154 wrote:Why would I want to have multiple accounts? For what possible use would they be? I've only ever had one account. This one. It is perhaps the other direction you should direct the "multiple accounts" joke.

Not sure you can blame me for seeing consecutive posts by TabernACK and ACK154 both blasting ramyb and sekiyoku and putting 2 and 2 together. Besides, weren't you supposed to be leaving forever or something?

If I am wrong, I apologize sincerely. However, I won't hold my breath.

And to stay a smidgen on topic,

sekiyoku wrote:Glad you recognized where I was going with the lineart, even I admit that the final product is not as steampunk as I would like, but I think if I had taken the coloring in a different direction, it would look more like a typical steampunk picture. It doesn't look like it will print anyway, so my best hope is that it can get an honorable mention, and then in double take, it won't matter what the original theme was.

Thanks very much! Some of us try to be constructive in our criticisms for improving the body of work here at Woot and at least the artists give SOME of us some credibility.

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Re: The Girl in Red

the design is cool and all but i think you missed the concept of steampunk. not sure where you got your information while looking up what steampunk was but this is more like zoids meets full metal alchemist. it may be steampunk inspired but its just not steampunk and where you said that the red light on the wolf was to show it was powered by a fire... to me it just looks like light reflecting off the sun or what ever it is that's giving off the red light off to the right. to me its not coming from the wolf at all B^( also i have to agree with others that the steam looks more like hair than steam B^(.

i posted the rest of this post on another thread but it applies here as well so ill post it here as well.

sorry but this is not steampunk. Victorian style is no where in this design and steam punk is mostly copper and wood elements using steam and gears to move/power the contraptions.

but at the same time most of the entries in this derby are off the mark so unfortunately this entry much like most of the others wont get pulled.

i had high hopes for this derby but im sad to say i was sorely let down B^(

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supersonic213 wrote:Not sure you can blame me for seeing consecutive posts by TabernACK and ACK154 both blasting ramyb and sekiyoku and putting 2 and 2 together. Besides, weren't you supposed to be leaving forever or something?

Me = Totally oblivious to that other account - but I can assure you I do NOT have multiple accounts. But really, two people blasting seki/ramy and you instantly think they're the same person (screenname similarity aside)? Have you read the comments on their entries???

Not necessarily leaving... but certainly not giving Woot anymore money until this nonsense is put to some sort of end. Not that my lone non-purchases will matter, but it's the principle.

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Tremortime wrote:I love this more and more every time I see it. Red's shotgun clinches it.


I kind of prefer the chainsaw

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I feel like this really goes beyond the printable area...and it is not SteamPunk. Why hasn't this been rejected?

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Re: The Girl in Red


It's not steampunk...but I love variations on Little Red Riding Hood and I love this design. Fantastic colours, as always.

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Re: The Girl in Red


If this makes it to print it will be the second shirt I'd buy from woot. Excellent job.

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supersonic213 wrote:Not sure you can blame me for seeing consecutive posts by TabernACK and ACK154 both blasting ramyb and sekiyoku and putting 2 and 2 together. Besides, weren't you supposed to be leaving forever or something?

If I am wrong, I apologize sincerely. However, I won't hold my breath.


Stop trying to think. It isn't working for you. Just because two people out of MANY here that happen to dislike ramy/seki's work doesn't make us all a hive mind. I assure you, we are two completely different people. Also, being catty isn't working for you. I suggest trying sarcasm instead.

Moondragon


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OnyxEyez wrote:attitudes like this really piss me off - if good designers stick to the theme and turn out really great artwork that is on topic, and then someone else turns out a shirt that people like but that is not to the theme, well, what is the point of the other designers sticking to the theme too? Isn't that the point of the theme?


I know my take on the derby is what angers all the purists. Unfortunately, this is a popularity contest, not a talent contest.

What good is voting for fantastic art on a shirt that I won't buy? If I vote for shirts I won't wear (or purchase for a friend) I don't buy anything from shirt.woot and neither they nor the artist make money off my interest. I'm not here to vote for something I think other people will buy. That said, if I haven't got the funds to pony up, I don't vote.

I always assumed the theme was to give a general direction for the shirt designers to go. Artists can attempt literal interpretations or not (at the risk of possible but unlikely rejection).

OnyxEyez wrote:what is the point of the other designers sticking to the theme too? Isn't that the point of the theme?

I guess you have to ask yourself what the motives of the derby entrants are when they bother to make artwork. We know everyone that submits would like to get printed, but there are folks who submit that use the derby as a quick-and-dirty way to hone their skills. Printing comes as a bonus.

One more thing to think about. The harsh backlash received by many of the often-printed artists submitting "cutesy guppy" makes the kind of people that like cutesy stuff want to stand up for them, i.e. vote regardless of the merit of the shirt.

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OnyxEyez wrote:This is NOT steampunk in the slightest, and attitudes like this really piss me off - if good designers stick to the theme and turn out really great artwork that is on topic, and then someone else turns out a shirt that people like but that is not to the theme, well, what is the point of the other designers sticking to the theme too? I was really looking forward to this derby to get some hardcore steampunk designs, and now the only stuff left in the fog - with the somewhat exception of Cho's shirt - is non-theme, non-steampunk. How about some real vetting here woot? Isn't that the point of the theme?

I agree. I was very excited about the theme, expecting to see all sorts of glorious steampunk art and ideas. Instead, we get this pseudo-anime nonsense with some gratuitous smoke to 'fit' the theme. If steampunk was just slapping smokestacks on random objects/entities, then it wouldn't be the rich, interesting subgenre it is.

As for Moondragon's post, taking the attitude that "I don't know what it is, so I don't care" is a really stupid way to look at things. The whole point of the derby is to test the skills of artists by forcing them to submit things in genres that they may not be familiar with, thus helping them to expand their skills. It's a complete cop out and a rip off to those who put real effort into the theme when someone draws up some completely unrelated guppy like this and slaps some halfassed attempt at steampunk on top of it.

Shirts like this make me wish I could downvote entries.

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hajile wrote:Hm, interesting submission.

The girl looks great, but the wolf just doesn't look steampunk to me. It just looks like he has armor on.

Plus, on top of that, the piping protruding from the wolf's back aren't very clear. I thought the smoke itself was hair...


Agreed

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koronae wrote:I've got such mixed feelings on this piece. I think the girl looks great, personally. I like that this is a red riding hood homage. I also like the armor on the wolf. But the steampipes on it's back just look kind of silly to me. This doesn't exactly scream steampunk to me personally, but it is a good try.


It reminds me more of an anime steampunk than the classic hyper-realistic steampunk. Which isn't bad at all! I think it conveys steampunk while taking into account the medium (t-shirt) that will definitely degrade over time. Five years from now this will still look like a wolf and a girl, where a more complicated design might fade into unrecognizable splotches. I'm definitely buying this.

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DiamondFace wrote:It's a cool design, but it is not steampunk. I didn't even know what the smokestacks were until I read the comments. It just looks like stylized hair.

I can't picture Woot not rejecting this. The whole point of the derby is to make art that explores a theme, and this one really fails to adhere to that theme. Bottom line for me, if I saw it on a shirt, I would think Medieval-fantasy-adventure, not steampunk.

I love sekiyoku's stuff, and this too is great artwork, but it absolutely does not follow the theme. And there are so many really creative submissions that work within the constraints of steampunk this week that I think it would be a shame if this one ended up being printed.


I agree. Sorry, the art is really well-done, but it doesn't fit the derby theme.

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sekiyoku wrote:Wow, thank you for all the positive feedback. I'm glad that you enjoyed the design, I really love drawing things like this, but I don't like doing it for tshirt designs because you are limited to 6 colors and therefore limited in what you can do with the picture.

Now on the touchy subject of steampunk/not steampunk - I think the lineart was much more steampunky than the finished version, see here: http://i42.tinypic.com/2410042.jpg The wolf was supposed to be part metal, part organic, and powered by like a furnace type thing- hence the red light coming out from the cracks of the metal and the smokestacks. Unfortunately, it came out a little too organic and so I can see why it would look like armor instead of looking like it's part machine. Red, on the other hand, I think is completely steampunk, minus the hood - I wasn't sure about the hood, but I liked the way that it looked with the ragged edges, so I did it like that, and I didn't think it was NOT steampunk particularly. Anyway, I understand if you choose not to vote because of it, but I believe that in art style derbies, there can be many interpretations of the style.

Regardless, thanks for the support on the design.


Kudos! There are many ways to interpret a theme, and steampunk has been redefined so many times that it has definitely moved beyond the classic "Victorian era powered by steam" that most people associate with it. I'm glad you stuck to your vision, and you're absolutely right. If people don't like it, don't buy it.

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Abydos641 wrote:Kudos! There are many ways to interpret a theme, and steampunk has been redefined so many times that it has definitely moved beyond the classic "Victorian era powered by steam" that most people associate with it. I'm glad you stuck to your vision, and you're absolutely right. If people don't like it, don't buy it.


You can call it whatever you want, but that doesn't make it steampunk. Steampunk as a genre has a certain aesthetic associated with it, regardless of changes from the classic victorian era ideal, that aesthetic remains. This shirt in no way matches the ideal, and putting some brass coloring and smoke doesn't make this into a steampunk shirt.

And people wo don't like it can 'not buy it' all they want, but that won't change the fact that better shirts that fit the theme, such as DeadFrog's entry, were denied the win by shirts such as this. I can not buy this shirt, but because it managed to slip through the cracks on a vague, false interpretation of the genre, I lose the opportunity to buy a shirt that actually meets the aesthetic and theme of the derby.

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Abydos641 wrote: I think it conveys steampunk while taking into account the medium (t-shirt) that will definitely degrade over time. Five years from now this will still look like a wolf and a girl, where a more complicated design might fade into unrecognizable splotches.


What? So all designs should refrain from being complicated because if people mistreat their shirts they won't read properly anymore.

Just like the medieval manuscripts should have been simpler so that we could still see the images on the ones that weren't preserved properly?

Moondragon


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AmynessPrime wrote:
As for Moondragon's post, taking the attitude that "I don't know what it is, so I don't care" is a really stupid way to look at things.


I didn't say "I don't know what it is, so I don't care." I looked into what's called steam punk on the internet, and it resonated with me about as much as dissecting subcategories of metal music. Because the theme didn't mean as much to me as, say, the Art Deco theme, it didn't factor into whether or not I liked something. Last time I checked, the vote button said, "I'D WANT ONE" not "I think this best portrays the theme."

I understand the purist viewpoint. If this were a site voting on music, I'd be much more likely to side with the must-be-on-theme-the-way-I-see-it crowd. I guess the fact that I don't take t-shirts that seriously (and that I've only submitted once for almost instant rejection) makes it easy for me to vote based solely on personal wearability.

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OnyxEyez wrote:*snip - How about some real vetting here woot? Isn't that the point of the theme?


Yes OnyzEyez it would be nice if Woot enforced some real standards. Above anything else, this Steampunk Derby has proven to me that I am totally naive. I feel like the themes are supposed to force some variety into this competition. I also believe that each week the Derby theme should challenge the artist to create something original and new. In my book an artists designs shouldn't be competitive if they are off theme or are being dishonest somehow. I know...I know...I'm a total girl scout.

Even despite my realization, I was hoping for some really hardcore Steampunk designs, or at least something Victorianish. I will never wear an anime shirt, a cutesy chibi animal, or some kind of shiny swirl design - its just not me. So, when two sometimes three places in the fog are anime I'm put off. As far as I'm concerned I should be one of the easiest people to please because I come into this competition every week hoping to buy shirts...I want to give Woot my money! It is pretty sorry state when the derby winners are so garish that even I, the girl with an online shopping addiction, won't buy them!

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Moondragon wrote:I didn't say "I don't know what it is, so I don't care." I looked into what's called steam punk on the internet, and it resonated with me about as much as dissecting subcategories of metal music. Because the theme didn't mean as much to me as, say, the Art Deco theme, it didn't factor into whether or not I liked something. Last time I checked, the vote button said, "I'D WANT ONE" not "I think this best portrays the theme."

I understand the purist viewpoint. If this were a site voting on music, I'd be much more likely to side with the must-be-on-theme-the-way-I-see-it crowd. I guess the fact that I don't take t-shirts that seriously (and that I've only submitted once for almost instant rejection) makes it easy for me to vote based solely on personal wearability.


The problem with this notion is that, you're right, that's what the vote button says, but it negates having a theme in the first place if things that aren't really on theme are allowed to stay in the contest. It'd be like having an Apple Pie Contest and letting a cherry pie that has maybe a sliver of an apple in it slip by.

Hell, Seki, I'll say this: If the wolf was completely mechanical, this wouldn't be an issue at all. I'm aware that steampunk designs can involve cyborg-ish elements and still be full steampunk, but the problem with yours is that it doesn't read cyborg. It reads armored wolf with steam coming out of it. And, unfortunately, I don't think the lineart was really on theme that much more.

But, this bickering doesn't really matter. I'll buy everything that prints this week if THIS gets knocked out of the fog via rejection.

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HeartlineTwist wrote:The problem with this notion is that, you're right, that's what the vote button says, but it negates having a theme in the first place if things that aren't really on theme are allowed to stay in the contest. It'd be like having an Apple Pie Contest and letting a cherry pie that has maybe a sliver of an apple in it slip by.


Case in point: this is how my boyfriend beat me in an apple pie-off by making a strawberry-rhubarb pie with a tiny slice of apple on top. The wounds of this defeat are still raw.

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But, to be on-topic, I found the design more apocalyptica-esque than anything else, and while it was nicely done, it does not evoke "steampunk" to me.

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I swear, this is why I don't read comments on Woot. Everyone's a whiney, crying little baby who gets mad if a design they don't like gets into the Fog. Newsflash people, you don't have to buy it, and if you don't like what Woot prints, then leave. No one will miss you. There's no need to whine about every little thing. If you don't like a design, don't vote for it/buy it. Don't tell other people to leave, or that their desgins are guppy. I'd like to see some of you haters draw half as well as Seki. I personally like Seki's artistic style. And Art is subjective, just like these shirt designs. Just because you don't enjoy it, doesn't mean it embrangles or that it's a 'guppy'. That's just idiotic. And if you think you can do better, well then get drawing and get people to vote for you.

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Beffy wrote:I swear, this is why I don't read comments on Woot. Everyone's a whiney, crying little baby who gets mad if a design they don't like gets into the Fog. Newsflash people, you don't have to buy it, and if you don't like what Woot prints, then leave. No one will miss you. There's no need to whine about every little thing. If you don't like a design, don't vote for it/buy it. Don't tell other people to leave, or that their desgins are guppy. I'd like to see some of you haters draw half as well as Seki. I personally like Seki's artistic style. And Art is subjective, just like these shirt designs. Just because you don't enjoy it, doesn't mean it embrangles or that it's a 'guppy'. That's just idiotic. And if you think you can do better, well then get drawing and get people to vote for you.


umm i could be wrong but most of the people on here are saying its good art but its not fitting with the theme of the derby. This derby is Steampunk... this art is not steampunk! its like Andy Warhol entering his soup can in a realist painting contest... yea its great art but it don't fit the theme.

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re: the girl in red


Gonna have to agree with the people saying it's not really Steampunk. Maybe if the wolf was completely robotic it would've been better. But the art is pretty dang amazing. I love Little Red Riding Hood.

Also, what do you use to draw? A wacom tablet? Tablet pc? I have a Tablet PC but my lineart isn't nearly as smooth. :[

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I like the girl and I think she's steampunk-ish. The wolf doesn't seem to fit the theme and it just doesn't look very interesting to me. It looks more like an armored worg from LotR than anything else.

Regardless of theme, if I really wanted the shirt I'd vote for it. Yes, I think cherry-with-a-little-apple-pie should be allowed in apple pie contests. This is art, not chemistry, and expecting Woot to be draconian about theme is pretty unrealistic. She's Little Red Riding Hood and she has a Victorian-looking rifle. That's enough to keep the ball in play as far as I'm concerned.

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HeartlineTwist wrote:The problem with this notion is that, you're right, that's what the vote button says, but it negates having a theme in the first place if things that aren't really on theme are allowed to stay in the contest. It'd be like having an Apple Pie Contest and letting a cherry pie that has maybe a sliver of an apple in it slip by.

Hell, Seki, I'll say this: If the wolf was completely mechanical, this wouldn't be an issue at all. I'm aware that steampunk designs can involve cyborg-ish elements and still be full steampunk, but the problem with yours is that it doesn't read cyborg. It reads armored wolf with steam coming out of it. And, unfortunately, I don't think the lineart was really on theme that much more.


Well, that's woot's fault then. The point is, if they want to run an Apple Pie Contest, and as long as there's even the tiniest piece of apple in the pie, it's accepted, that's their choice. As for me, I thought this entry was well within the boundaries of steampunk, but apparently a lot of people think that it's not. But the key thing is that woot thinks it is, at least so far. So yelling at me is not going to do anything. Yelling at woot on my thread is also not going to do anything since I highly doubt they read these posts. I'm sure plenty of people have tattled, and it's past Monday. So (although I could be proven wrong still) it looks like woot is saying that this is on theme. I don't understand what people expect to accomplish at this point.

As a side note, I do wish that I had made the wolf less organic because it would have been more on theme, and also would have looked better, but I'm sure that I would still get guppy for it in the end. See Ramy's butterfly entry, which was SO steampunk and SO on theme until it hit the fog and then it was in no way steampunk at all.

@ hmmmxkrazee - I use a wacom tablet and the program Open Canvas. Open Canvas is really good for lineart.

IndependentVik


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HeartlineTwist wrote:
Hell, Seki, I'll say this: If the wolf was completely mechanical, this wouldn't be an issue at all. I'm aware that steampunk designs can involve cyborg-ish elements and still be full steampunk, but the problem with yours is that it doesn't read cyborg. It reads armored wolf with steam coming out of it. And, unfortunately, I don't think the lineart was really on theme that much more.


It's so subjective, though. For example, when I first looked at this design, first thing I thought when I looked at the wolf was, "cool, wolf cyborg". I realize a lot of other people think it looks like a wolf with armor on it, but that's just not what I saw. Maybe it's b/c I've read the Gunslinger books and they had to fight a giant cyborg bear and it was fresh in my mind to think of it that way, but that's what I saw and what I still see.

Oh, and if you've read through my posting history, I never defend seki's work; I am, in point of fact, something of a detractor. I just happen to like this particular design and find it to be reasonably on theme.

Abydos641


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fatalGRACE wrote:You can call it whatever you want, but that doesn't make it steampunk. Steampunk as a genre has a certain aesthetic associated with it, regardless of changes from the classic victorian era ideal, that aesthetic remains. This shirt in no way matches the ideal, and putting some brass coloring and smoke doesn't make this into a steampunk shirt.

And people wo don't like it can 'not buy it' all they want, but that won't change the fact that better shirts that fit the theme, such as DeadFrog's entry, were denied the win by shirts such as this. I can not buy this shirt, but because it managed to slip through the cracks on a vague, false interpretation of the genre, I lose the opportunity to buy a shirt that actually meets the aesthetic and theme of the derby.


What I don't understand is, everyone knows that this is based on WOOT votes. So, if people prefer the more traditional steampunk style then they will vote for more traditional shirts. If they prefer cutesy anime designs, then they vote as such. I do like some of the other shirts that aren't winning, and I suppose the real question is, if so many people dislike the fog shirts, then why are they in the fog at all? There is obviously support, and there are those who feel this shirt does meet the criteria. It's the fun of art. It's all open to interpretation. Why should we spend so much of our energy hating on a design? One offers constructive critique and moves on. It's up to the artist what to do with said critique. Buyers and Sellers of art define what is and is not, what fits modern, post modern, and classical. And today, the masses deem this to be steampunk. Regardless of proper definition, enough find the design aesthetically pleasing to vote for it. I like the shirt, even if it isn't 100 percent on point with the theme. And, if so many people are greatly displeased, why do they not design their own, proper steampunk shirts and submit them? It's easy to dislike and condemn, but where are the artistic challenges? Show us proper steampunk, a design we'd all like to wear. Often times to appeal to the greatest masses some of the elegance must be lost in translation.

Abydos641


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Stormink wrote:What? So all designs should refrain from being complicated because if people mistreat their shirts they won't read properly anymore.

Just like the medieval manuscripts should have been simpler so that we could still see the images on the ones that weren't preserved properly?


No, I said I applauded this shirt's simplicity. What does that have to do with future our past styles, or whether or not another person makes a very complex or very simplistic drawing? Why must a compliment on one aspect, be it simplicity, color, or content, automatically condemn the opposite? I never said I hated complex designs. I said I like the simplicity of this one.

The manuscripts from medieval times? Seriously? o_0

Abydos641


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hmmxkrazee wrote:Gonna have to agree with the people saying it's not really Steampunk. Maybe if the wolf was completely robotic it would've been better. But the art is pretty dang amazing. I love Little Red Riding Hood.

Also, what do you use to draw? A wacom tablet? Tablet pc? I have a Tablet PC but my lineart isn't nearly as smooth. :[


I know someone who uses a tablet and draws in illustrator like that, I'm not sure it's how this artwork was created but it's one option. Vectors make for very smooth lines.

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three words...Sensationa..l;]

peppersagooddog


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sekiyoku wrote: Yelling at woot on my thread is also not going to do anything since I highly doubt they read these posts.






this is incorrect. for the record; they do read, laugh at, and occasionally even respond to posts. do not expect them to comment often. do not expect an answer when one is demanded. joel will answer you just about as often as god does, but he does know what is being said in the forums.


and for those of you wondering how it is that this is fogged but the thread is full of "hate" (though there is really no hate, just the lamenting about off topic designs getting fogged) this dynamic duo of "artists" has hoards of sycophants that will vote for, and even purchase, because they are obligated to out of fawning love. there is unfortunately nothing against woots rules about that so every single week you will be fed the same thing and you will LIKE IT AND BUY IT. the collective says so.
that being said, i still stand by my previous statement that i appretiate seki's effort to change it up just a tad this week and do something slightly different.

katfin25


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Beffy wrote:I swear, this is why I don't read comments on Woot. Everyone's a whiney, crying little baby who gets mad if a design they don't like gets into the Fog. Newsflash people, you don't have to buy it, and if you don't like what Woot prints, then leave. No one will miss you. There's no need to whine about every little thing. If you don't like a design, don't vote for it/buy it. Don't tell other people to leave, or that their desgins are guppy. I'd like to see some of you haters draw half as well as Seki. I personally like Seki's artistic style. And Art is subjective, just like these shirt designs. Just because you don't enjoy it, doesn't mean it embrangles or that it's a 'guppy'. That's just idiotic. And if you think you can do better, well then get drawing and get people to vote for you.


you do realize you are whining and complaining too right?

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KidKobun


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re: the girl in red


Holy Gigli (2003)! This is the by far my favorite entry. Great design!

crackakillla


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Umm... looks good.. But there are much better entry's in this derby.

snarkygal


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sekiyoku wrote:Ramy is moreso the bunnies/rodents person. ;) But thanks.

And I couldn't agree with you more on the second part. I don't know why people who say things like "this isn't steampunk, it's CRA P" expect me to pay attention to them at all.


You don't pay attention to ANY criticism Seki, do you? Did you read the link to the Wiki entry on steampunk that Woot gave the designers? I doubt it. Don't feign ingnorance. And you haven't paid any attention to any criticism, constructive or not since you came to Woot.

ZMaiden


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peppersagooddog wrote:

and for those of you wondering how it is that this is fogged but the thread is full of "hate" (though there is really no hate, just the lamenting about off topic designs getting fogged) this dynamic duo of "artists" has hoards of sycophants that will vote for, and even purchase, because they are obligated to out of fawning love.


There are two things I am getting sick and tired of. Number one is this idea that anyone who likes and/or votes for an anime design is deficient in some manner. I like anime, and I don't think it's fair to say I have no taste just because I like a style someone else hates.

And the second is the, supposition that those who like and/or vote for Seki or Ramy are "sycophants". I'm sure I'm *much* older than these two kids, so I really have no reason to suck up to them. It doesn't get me a free shirt, heck, it doesn't even make my gamerscore (not sure the word I wanted to use is allowed, eh this means the same thing anyway.) bigger. I've never met them, or talked to them outside of woot, nor do I ever anticipate doing so. Yet, 9 times out of 10, I've voted for their designs. This time I have not voted for Seki (Sorry) because I didn't think I'd buy the design. Obviously though, I am either a fawning 13 year old girl ( "Ooh ooh! SekiRamy! Let me touch yooooouuuu!) or a time-traveling Cylon (We have a plan. Ramy looks awesome in that red dress.) Just getting a little frustrated here.

ryano1124


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Man do I hope this makes the top 3 cut!

shadowknight125


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I really love the design and illustration, but I have to agree that this is not steampunk...

SpindriftPrime


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That wolf is wearing armor! Silly wolf. Armor is for people!

RT0wn


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I love the take on Red Riding Hood, but I would buy this as a poster over a shirt.

Forgive me for using the word, but "epic" showdowns like this belong on walls to be seen at all times, not just one day on your chest every few weeks.

dracon32


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DO WANT!!

cobolisdead


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peppersagooddog wrote:this is incorrect. for the record; they do read, laugh at, and occasionally even respond to posts. do not expect them to comment often. do not expect an answer when one is demanded. joel will answer you just about as often as god does, but he does know what is being said in the forums.


and for those of you wondering how it is that this is fogged but the thread is full of "hate" (though there is really no hate, just the lamenting about off topic designs getting fogged) this dynamic duo of "artists" has hoards of sycophants that will vote for, and even purchase, because they are obligated to out of fawning love. there is unfortunately nothing against woots rules about that so every single week you will be fed the same thing and you will LIKE IT AND BUY IT. the collective says so.
that being said, i still stand by my previous statement that i appretiate seki's effort to change it up just a tad this week and do something slightly different.


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Muntoe


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After reading practically every comment in here, I mostly agree with the fact that this isn't steampunk. However, I understand that the artist attempted the hardest they could to fit the derby theme this week. Maybe it's because I'm new, but I think it is up to the woot team to truly decide what is acceptable for the theme "steampunk." Maybe the only reason it hasn't been rejected is because of those smokestacks rising from the armored wolf. Either way, this is still a really cool design.

KarenClark


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Tabernack wrote:Let's face it, you wouldn't have submitted it if you didn't think you'd get in the fog--OH WAIT. Like many times before you're falling borderline on the theme and rushing to defend it when people call you out. Despite the flow of the design, I don't see much worth anything in this submission personally. It is not steampunk. Period. A) It is quite obvious IF you did understand it "more than some people think" then you obviously would have submitted something to prove it. Steampunk is a pretty clear cut genre of style, people can look it up if they're uncertain, this is the internet afterall. B) woot shouldn't have to lay out every finer point and detail as to what encompasses a particular genre for people to make an effort in adhering to it. There is a big difference between retrofuturistic and steampunk, but it's apparent very few people get that, you included. C) bananas.

There is such little hope in you and Ramy packing up your trash and leaving, despite all the hope a large number of us may have, so don't try to shake your finger and tut-tut at the folks calling you out, reiterating the rules that you so gleefully skirt the edges of, because it's quite apparent to everyone that not only are you full of it with your "almost meets this weeks critera," but that you know you can do just barely enough to get away with it. Boy oh boy, I wonder what would happen if I started to submit borderline, redundant garbage that may or may not contain a semblance of blatantly pre-conceived icons (and then proceed to feign ignorance). People would rip into me too, so don't think for one second that you and your boyfriend Ramy are somehow miraculously exempt from criticism. People aren't jumping all over your case for no good reason.

Looks like you need to take another look at how communities work, and what happens when you spit in their faces.


I have to say, this post is AWESOME. It's stuff like this that keeps me glued to the derbies even though I don't submit entries myself. It's like the best unscripted geek soap opera ever.

This sentence, in particular, kills me:

Tabernack wrote:There is such little hope in you and Ramy packing up your trash and leaving, despite all the hope a large number of us may have, so don't try to shake your finger and tut-tut at the folks calling you out, reiterating the rules that you so gleefully skirt the edges of, because it's quite apparent to everyone that not only are you full of it with your "almost meets this weeks critera," but that you know you can do just barely enough to get away with it.


Just the overreaction, personal investment, the giant run-on, the personal insults and the homophobic way you brought in another designer to call the a simply delightful couple. Kudos, my friend. Kudos.

heartluce


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KarenClark wrote:Just the overreaction, personal investment, the giant run-on, the personal insults and the homophobic way you brought in another designer to call the a simply delightful couple. Kudos, my friend. Kudos.


Homophobic? They are b/f and g/f.

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KarenClark wrote:Just the overreaction, personal investment, the giant run-on, the personal insults and the homophobic way you brought in another designer to call the a simply delightful couple. Kudos, my friend. Kudos.


How is it homophobic in anyway? Sekiyoku is female and Ramyb is male, and they are dating. They simply ARE a delightful couple?

youfail


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KarenClark wrote:Just the overreaction, personal investment, the giant run-on, the personal insults and the homophobic way you brought in another designer to call the a simply delightful couple. Kudos, my friend. Kudos.



schmendrick the magician and the lady amalfia are a couple, according to them at least. for the most part we do not believe them to be NEED MOAR ADJECTIVES!, though the cutsie rabbits and forest friends make some of us wonder.

2thFairy


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youfail wrote:schmendrick the magician and the lady amalfia are a couple, according to them at least. for the most part we do not believe them to be NEED MOAR ADJECTIVES!, though the cutsie rabbits and forest friends make some of us wonder.


brilliant post!

HeartlineTwist


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heartluce wrote:Homophobic? They are b/f and g/f.


I am replying to this, but it should be to the other post, but that's the funniest thing I've read on here in a while!

seanmesky


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Re: The Girl in Red


no offense, but so generic steampunk. not that interesting, and it's more about the wolf than the idea steampunk.

leelaaa


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so completely not steampunk...get the hell out of the fog & take that dumb dog with you

L3g3ndQ


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im surprised on two levels

1. that woot hasn't rejected it yet
and 2. that people are still voting for the darn thing.

sorry not steampunk at all... it may be kinda cool but to vague for the topic of the derby. not to mention it looks like a shirt you would see at an anime shop's clearance rack, you one o them you-ge-oh shirts.

GlueBomb


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Cool shirt.
I'd buy it. :D

hookajoe


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I agree that it's not really steampunk.

But I also agree that it's amazing.

I can't wait to wear it!

madtoon


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1. steam punk
a fantasy story style that involves Using steam era technology to make highly complicated and advanced machines.

nerdgod89


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seki, i had no idea you and ramyb were dating, that is just awesome.

id like to tell everyone here what i wrote in the ramyb thread.
GET A LIFE!
No matter how much you rant people like me PTERODACTYLS! it all up for you by voting for seki and ramy.....and get this...sometimes i dont even buy their shirts! SHOCKER!!!
this is the power of democracy, the elitists can be as elite as they want, but the majority rules...my party has been kicked around my this concept in the real world enough, may as well take advantage of it in the woot world.

seki, sorry this fell out of the fog, it really is a beautiful design.

~
indianwoot

smallgreendemon


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Re: The Girl in Red


Since when is there a set-in-stone definition of "steampunk?" This isn't a visual version of an essay contest with a set thesis, where only the arguments are allowed to vary. I generally think of steampunk imagery as art that superimposes a Victorian-era obsession with Machinery (with a capital M) onto modern or futuristic technology, or uses of technology. The Victorian-era retellings of Perault's Little Red Riding Hood story make the girl little and cute and completely helpless; in this, it looks as though she is in control of the wolf, via some complicated-looking contraptions. In other words, a very contemporary triumph over the past, but one apparently achieved through visible, mechanical equipment.

I think it's a much more interesting image than a picture of some random object/animal/person with non-functional cogs and pipes added in an aesthetically-pleasing but meaningless way. (That would be the photoshop filter version of steampunk.)

KarenClark


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lexaverial wrote:How is it homophobic in anyway? Sekiyoku is female and Ramyb is male, and they are dating. They simply ARE a delightful couple?


LOL, I'm sorry, I thought he was just resorting to childish insults.


dangurous


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is this the most votes a fifth place shirt has ever gotten? so sad too, this is an amazing design. i submitted my vote days ago, so i cant change this outcome... sekiyoku, the next double take derby should be honorarily (making up words?) yours.

34 woots for shirts, most recent: 10/23/12: Fresh Cake Remix (L); 9/22/10 - iHome Optical Netbook Mouse; 7/12/10 - Woot Off Lights; 5/26/10 - Jolly Roger Floor Mat; 11/23/09 - Memorex 720p HD Mini Camcorder; 3/23/09 - iRobot Roomba 535 Robotic Vacuum

dangurous


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lexaverial wrote:How is it homophobic in anyway? Sekiyoku is female and Ramyb is male, and they are dating. They simply ARE a delightful couple?


really? gasp! this makes everything they do individually better and anything they do together super awesome. ramyb and sekiyoku are two of my favorite artists on this page so hearing this news, i am completely shocked and awed. woot contestants, you have no shot.

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HeartlineTwist


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smallgreendemon wrote:Since when is there a set-in-stone definition of "steampunk?" This isn't a visual version of an essay contest with a set thesis, where only the arguments are allowed to vary. I generally think of steampunk imagery as art that superimposes a Victorian-era obsession with Machinery (with a capital M) onto modern or futuristic technology, or uses of technology. The Victorian-era retellings of Perault's Little Red Riding Hood story make the girl little and cute and completely helpless; in this, it looks as though she is in control of the wolf, via some complicated-looking contraptions. In other words, a very contemporary triumph over the past, but one apparently achieved through visible, mechanical equipment.

I think it's a much more interesting image than a picture of some random object/animal/person with non-functional cogs and pipes added in an aesthetically-pleasing but meaningless way. (That would be the photoshop filter version of steampunk.)


Like I've said, my biggest problem with this is probably that, based on how the wolf design is executed, it just doesn't read to me as part machine, even with the smokestacks. To me, the smokestacks register as more of an excuse than a visual cue.

If the metal didn't completely cover what it does of the wolf, I'd probably be more comfortable with actually giving this a vote because it would look more like machinery than some armor covering a wolf.

I'm not saying this should summarily be rejected any more, I guess, but there is a very particular reason that it's not getting my vote, and that's it.

That said, it's a nice design and you could EASILY take it elsewhere and get it printed almost immediately. This would probably be off to the printers within a day if it went to Cameesa.

Josephus


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dangurous wrote:is this the most votes a fifth place shirt has ever gotten? so sad too, this is an amazing design. i submitted my vote days ago, so i cant change this outcome... sekiyoku, the next double take derby should be honorarily (making up words?) yours.


hello? The votes are higher because of the ad on all the woot pages; all the designs are getting more votes. Even my misguided, less than perfectly on-topic design has 100 votes.

mistmi01


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gesangbaer wrote:It's always nice to see elitists rear their ugly heads and pigeon-hole a style into some specific definition that only leaves room for their narrow ideas.

Considering the era the red riding hood story comes from, I think this image is definitely steam punk.


I'm pretty sure the 17th century wasn't the Victorian era. I could be wrong. But I don't think so.

Related tales date back as far as the 14th century. Well outside whatever new definition we're coming up with for Victorian.

rekenner


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Aaaagh!I'm heartbroken to see this fall out of the fog.
This is the only entry I really liked in this derby (No offense to your other entries, but...).
Ah well, them's the breaks.

BillyBcool


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Re: The Girl in Red


sekiyoku, don't let this miss bother you. It is RIDICULOUS that this didn't make it, but it's not your fault. The design was incredible. Keep up the great work.

"Thanks for the memories."

sekiyoku


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Thanks for all the support. At this point maybe it's better it didn't print in the steampunk derby, maybe I can get it printed somewhere else or possibly in the double take where it can run based only on the merits of the design.

BaldBob007


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sekiyoku wrote:Thanks for all the support. At this point maybe it's better it didn't print in the steampunk derby, maybe I can get it printed somewhere else or possibly in the double take where it can run based only on the merits of the design.


I like your attitude. I really, really wanted to vote for your design this week (sorry!). In my opinion, it is your best work to date. If it gets nominated for the double take, you can be assured of my vote. ;)

Arma


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I'm so upset that this didn't make it. Me and my girlfriend were both going to buy one, this has been my favorite shirt to date. I hope it pops up in the double take, like people have been saying...if you put it up elsewhere, I'd love to buy it!

Tremortime


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I really hope this makes the double take! If not, seki, we'll have to work something out under the table ;)

squirrelfry


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oh no! this shirt was the only one I wanted to buy! awesome job with it and I hope it gets printed somewhere else (wish it could get into next week's double take...now we have to wait another 11 weeks...sigh)

cj7loop


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mistmi01 wrote:I'm pretty sure the 17th century wasn't the Victorian era. I could be wrong. But I don't think so.

Related tales date back as far as the 14th century. Well outside whatever new definition we're coming up with for Victorian.


17th century would actually fit "Baroque".

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Supertenni


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I absolutely love it!

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shiyaria


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Awesome.

ryano1124


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Please, Please have this printed somewhere else, I really love this shirt!

nortagem


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If and when this gets printed somewhere else; LET US KNOW! This is one of the coolest shirts I've ever seen on shirt.woot... or most other places, for that matter!

wolfbrotherjason


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I so wanted this! Hopefully it'll still be printed somewhere.

xaon


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i wanted this shirt
it's possible woot may still print it.. if not then seki you should really get it printed somewhere else

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