Derby #101: Fake Band T-Shirts
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"Oh Look, Pander Bears!"

"Oh Look, Pander Bears!"
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JordanTG


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHA!

HotChocolate


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Give the people what they want, huh?

JordanTG


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Personally, i feel this submission is lacking the word bitter somewhere.

godslinger


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You rule!! Thank so so so so so so much! I love these guys!

arwerther


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Too cute. Looks too much like a lot of your other shirts.

schnauzergirl38

krisrobinson


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lollerbones!

Andy47240


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Come on, you're better that that aren't you?



DeadFrog


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Reunion Tour! They are sure to be at least as big as Hanson.

This is all in good-natured fun. Moving to Chicago this week and couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry.

ambergreen


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Hilarious.

Icemank91


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As funny as this is, this better not print.

Xanthis13


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This should be rejected just because we have seen this a billion times.

Solo154


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Nice I like it alot - simple, good green, and clever. It's what I want!

theinfinityloop


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Oh my god you're relentless.


Drakxxx


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DeadFrog wrote:Reunion Tour! They are sure to be at least as big as Hanson.

This is all in good-natured fun. Moving to Chicago this week and couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry.


I lol'd sir.


FirefIy


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And let the drama unfold...

I think anyone who gets angry over this entry is in some serious need of a vacation.

Honestly, don't pop a blood vessel.

kdubbs29


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Not really feeling this one. It seems like it came too easily to you. I definitely prefer your other style (rain dancer) to this cutesy, circle-shaped, distressed style that you also do.

Icemank91


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DeadFrog wrote:Reunion Tour! They are sure to be at least as big as Hanson.

This is all in good-natured fun. Moving to Chicago this week and couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry.


Hope the transition goes well!

dmyton


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hoho, this is excellent.

gnomage


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DeadFrog wrote:Reunion Tour! They are sure to be at least as big as Hanson.

This is all in good-natured fun. Moving to Chicago this week and couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry.


HAHAHA! For those without a sense of humor, let the new bashing begin!

imsochady


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Hey, I see waht you did there!

homeschoolwinner


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Now you're just mocking us!


"Love is the meaning of life, Life is the meaning of love" The Rutles

xxchange


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ME WANT

My Colours: 6 Black, 9 Asphalt, 7 Cranberry, 4 Royal Blue, 10 Navy, 7 Silver, 7 Grass, 2 Orange, 2 Kelly Green, 8 Brown, 1 White, 2 Lemon, 7 Baby Blue, 3 Cream, 2 Heather Gray, 5 Olive, 1 Pink, 1 Eggplant

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SailorButterfly


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LOL

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mrwednesday


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What's funniest to me is that it is pretty hilarious but it's at the expense of the people laughing at it. It's like that awkward kid in high school who everyone made fun of but he always laughed hardest at the jokes.

Sad really....

xtinaftw


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I dunno guys... I love it and hate it at the same time. I was all for the rejection of the original and blah blah blah insert all the reasons here. And this one is clearly in jest. However, I'll be damned, but I would totally buy and wear this shirt, just for the memories of it all.

Still, you don't GMV. ;P

MaryESP


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I actually find this to be a much stronger concept than the original. If I wore it, my friends (who aren't wooters) would find it an awesome commentary on the "gimmicky corporate apcray" we hear on the radio.


However, as I know what it actually implies....

Still, I definitely ahuhued.

Ldyandrea


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Okay, that's funny as hell! I would totally buy that shirt.

Tanapangarap


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hoho, pander bears.

Get with The Program.

MJDeViant


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hoho. I'm not voting for it but it is hilarious. You might have the next HelloKitty on your hands.

Let the boring call you crazy.
Let the crazy call you boring.

Jestik


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boy, DF, you sure don't mind stirring the pot, do ya?

l0l...

KaitoPanda


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As big a joke as this is. I kinda want this >> I don't have a green shirt yet <<

studio1172


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Gawd darn panda bears. Why will they not die?

jasneko


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Oh lol. You are too funny.


omnitarian


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Uh... I don't mind tongue-in-cheek humor, but I *do* mind when it fogs. DF, promise us you'll have the integrity to pull this if it actually looks like it's gonna print. :X

tiernane


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Digging the irony No vote from me though.

cainja1


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ha ha I think it's great. Deadfrog is hitting the nail on the head here. Granted this will get rejected and it probably took deadfrog a full 4 minutes to create the shirt so it's no big deal. This is like that shirt a while back "Me-too bird flee the pander tree" by tgentry from when woot had far too many tree/bird sihouette designs. Now it's stuck on cutesy animal babies.. what a shame.

Gamior


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I'd be quite disappointed if this actually won. Your other work is so much better, rain dance was the first shirt I bought off this site!

adamsw216


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el oh el

amscray


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This is so brilliant! I totally lol'd

eHalcyon


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cainja1 wrote:ha ha I think it's great. Deadfrog is hitting the nail on the head here. Granted this will get rejected and it probably took deadfrog a full 4 minutes to create the shirt so it's no big deal. This is like that shirt a while back "Me-too bird flee the pander tree" by tgentry from when woot had far too many tree/bird sihouette designs. Now it's stuck on cutesy animal babies.. what a shame.


I thought the same - that this design is a joke-ish shirt like tg's me-too birds. However, it IS quite a bit more blatant. With tg's, it was really just in the title; the design was still relatively legitimate (if generic). I think the pander bears might cross the line into "woot reference" territory since it references the drama over the "see no evil" design.

I too hope that DF will decline to have it printed if Woot doesn't reject it first.

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eHalcyon


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Gamior wrote:I'd be quite disappointed if this actually won. Your other work is so much better, rain dance was the first shirt I bought off this site!


There were two "Rain Dance" entries in that derby. DF's wasn't printed, though it did get an HM. The "Rain Dance" you purchased was by theinfinityloop.

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cainja1


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eHalcyon wrote:I thought the same - that this design is a joke-ish shirt like tg's me-too birds. However, it IS quite a bit more blatant. With tg's, it was really just in the title; the design was still relatively legitimate (if generic). I think the pander bears might cross the line into "woot reference" territory since it references the drama over the "see no evil" design.

I too hope that DF will decline to have it printed if Woot doesn't reject it first.


Oh well yes of course I agree with you there. Tgentry was mocking the style while DF is really just mocking himself. If I had a few prints under my belt, I'd poke a few shots at me too just for the fun of it. Now, I'm smiling and laughing at the moment but I'm guessin that might change if this isn't rejected and acutally prints. Then it's just |ame

mrwednesday


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eHalcyon wrote:I thought the same - that this design is a joke-ish shirt like tg's me-too birds. However, it IS quite a bit more blatant. With tg's, it was really just in the title; the design was still relatively legitimate (if generic). I think the pander bears might cross the line into "woot reference" territory since it references the drama over the "see no evil" design.

I too hope that DF will decline to have it printed if Woot doesn't reject it first.


He won't pull it and that's why it's so hilarious. With the same breath that it makes fun of the idiotic tastes here at woot, it also is absolutely true because this is what he'd design anyway and it's not a joke entry at all.

jabberjaws13


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mrwednesday wrote:He won't pull it and that's why it's so hilarious. With the same breath that it makes fun of the idiotic tastes here at woot, it also is absolutely true because this is what he'd design anyway and it's not a joke entry at all.



i seriously cannot believe adderxyu has not posted a fuming-standing-on-chair-screaming-at-screen rant about this....hopefully it is coming. highlight of my day sometimes....

Happy Beer.

flibbityjibbet


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Does anyone else envision a big middle finger as this band's logo? This is effing hilarious. I would totally vote/buy if the inside joke would be received by the average person who would see me wearing it, but after I spent 2 minutes explaining the point, it would surely end with the listener going "Ohh.. heh." I would most likely add, "You had to be there." I hate when I have to explain jokes. hoho.

This is effing great though.

JordanTG


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jabberjaws13 wrote:i seriously cannot believe adderxyu has not posted a fuming-standing-on-chair-screaming-at-screen rant about this....hopefully it is coming. highlight of my day sometimes....


He's way to busy working on this gem.

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32916

flibbityjibbet


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And why am I the only one freaked out by the floating drum kit?

mfulkron80


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flibbityjibbet wrote:And why am I the only one freaked out by the floating drum kit?


I just don't get how they can play the instruments without fingers...

Anyway, somehow this is more original than the original, and i hated the original.

DeadFrog


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I honestly foresee this getting rejected.

I really am interested in the dialogue regarding the validity of playing to the crowd, a concern common in both music and art.

In any case, one way or the other, this probably won't go to print.

JordanTG


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DeadFrog wrote:I honestly foresee this getting rejected.

I really am interested in the dialogue regarding the validity of playing to the crowd, a concern common in both music and art.

In any case, one way or the other, this probably won't go to print.


The thing is if this wasn't a blatant attempt at you bringing something back from the dead, then it would be completely acceptable. The idea behind this is(at least to me) bands like The Jonas Brothers. I'd still be in for one i think if it printed, fyi. I can't vote it though.

jabberjaws13


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JordanTG wrote:He's way to busy working on this gem.

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32916


yeah seriously what the hell is going on with that shirt? maybe he's drunk already.

Happy Beer.

Ldyandrea


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JordanTG wrote:The thing is if this wasn't a blatant attempt at you bringing something back from the dead, then it would be completely acceptable. The idea behind this is(at least to me) bands like The Jonas Brothers. I'd still be in for one i think if it printed, fyi. I can't vote it though.


If you think about it, it could actually be seen as a commentary on the music business in general. Those pre-packaged bands that are formulaicly put together by producers....i.e. "give the people what they want".

Regardless of the inspiration, I love it, I'd buy it, and I hope it wins.

jabberjaws13


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JordanTG wrote:The thing is if this wasn't a blatant attempt at you bringing something back from the dead, then it would be completely acceptable. The idea behind this is(at least to me) bands like The Jonas Brothers. I'd still be in for one i think if it printed, fyi. I can't vote it though.


i'm on the fence for buying one, but i know i would end having to explain it which would just annoy me. i think it's an unbelievably hilarious attempt at pandering they may actually work. i have a feeling this is going to be another row vs. wade for me, where explaining it ruins it.

Happy Beer.

JordanTG


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jabberjaws13 wrote:i'm on the fence for buying one, but i know i would end having to explain it which would just annoy me. i think it's an unbelievably hilarious attempt at pandering they may actually work. i have a feeling this is going to be another row vs. wade for me, where explaining it ruins it.


Hardcore music fans will get it right away. Better then most wooters i wager.

mrwednesday


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DeadFrog wrote:I honestly foresee this getting rejected.

I really am interested in the dialogue regarding the validity of playing to the crowd, a concern common in both music and art.

In any case, one way or the other, this probably won't go to print.


We all know Adder's take on it. I really would never go that far. I think it is perfectly acceptable to play to the crowd and attempt to make things that people want. Often times the things that people want around here are nowhere near what I want and it embrangles but it also saves me a lot of money.

Where I draw the line is not being creative. Take today's shirt for example. I think the penguins would have been better as sheep but even still I really like the design. It's too cutesy for me and I would never wear it but there is a ton of detail and thought put into it to make something really appealing.

That's why I didn't like your TMNT's design and that's why I didn't like the pandas. Absolutely no thought and no creativity. This actually took at least a little creativity. Your rain dancer was creative. That's what we want. Creative. Cute things can be creative too.

jabberjaws13


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mrwednesday wrote:We all know Adder's take on it. I really would never go that far. I think it is perfectly acceptable to play to the crowd and attempt to make things that people want. Often times the things that people want around here are nowhere near what I want and it embrangles but it also saves me a lot of money.

Where I draw the line is not being creative. Take today's shirt for example. I think the penguins would have been better as sheep but even still I really like the design. It's too cutesy for me and I would never wear it but there is a ton of detail and thought put into it to make something really appealing.

That's why I didn't like your TMNT's design and that's why I didn't like the pandas. Absolutely no thought and no creativity. This actually took at least a little creativity. Your rain dancer was creative. That's what we want. Creative. Cute things can be creative to.


sheep would have been cool....bored from roaming fields....messing with tourists.

i still want the destroyer of worlds dagnabit!

Happy Beer.

jesusbeard


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Dont want to be a debby downer or maybe im missing something
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:wvfexq9aldke

mer

JordanTG


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jesusbeard wrote:Dont want to be a debby downer or maybe im missing something
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:wvfexq9aldke


Pander and Panda have two different meanings. However, band likeness is the least of this submissions worries.

jabberjaws13


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jesusbeard wrote:Dont want to be a debby downer or maybe im missing something
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:wvfexq9aldke


that's panda, this is pander. way different. like i'm sorry and i apologize. might seem the same at first, but not at a funeral.

Happy Beer.

elwayman02


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hilarious.

antidote859


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eHalcyon wrote:I thought the same - that this design is a joke-ish shirt like tg's me-too birds. However, it IS quite a bit more blatant. With tg's, it was really just in the title; the design was still relatively legitimate (if generic). I think the pander bears might cross the line into "woot reference" territory since it references the drama over the "see no evil" design.

I too hope that DF will decline to have it printed if Woot doesn't reject it first.


Can someone please give me a quick summary of the "see no evil" controversy?
I vaguely remember a huge thread that went along with the first shirt but I never got a chance to read about all of the drama.

A quick summary and/or explanation would be greatly appreciated!

wjmoss


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At the expense of my dignity, will someone please explain this shirt?

jmmbell1987


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wjmoss wrote:At the expense of my dignity, will someone please explain this shirt?


In the "quotations" derby, DF had a design in the fog consisting of these three pandas doing the "see no evil; hear no evil; spoke no evil" poses.

A long, violent battle ensued over the artistic integrity of the design (i.e. "pandering") and it was eventually rejected by woot due to its similarity to other designs.

mrwednesday


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wjmoss wrote:At the expense of my dignity, will someone please explain this shirt?


DF first got a print with this in the book's illustrated derby. In the individualism derby he submitted this. Then for the famous quotes derby he submitted this. Most of the controversy was over the fact that he recycled the idea so many times no one wanted to see it anymore compounded with the fact that his two biggest prints (LWW and TMNT) are simply depictions of the book title and the origin scene with no commentary or really originality other than the brush stroke distressing. Given that DF really is a talented artist and has done very creative pieces, many including myself got tired of the hackneyed pandering.

fablefire


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Thanks for the lols. XD

Hope your move goes well.

mrwednesday


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fablefire wrote:Thanks for the lols. XD

Hope your move goes well.


Hopefully not as well as QBF. For the record I voted for QBF and wanted it to print given the absolute Kazaam (1996) that did print in the exercise derby. I felt that momentum was completely lost in the double take and it edged a lot of deserving designs. If this doesn't get rejected but doesn't print, I hope it doesn't get an HM because of all the derbies, the double takes are supposed to be dedicated to rewarding quality that was missed not joke fads that fizzled.

eHalcyon


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mrwednesday wrote:Hopefully not as well as QBF. For the record I voted for QBF and wanted it to print given the absolute Kazaam (1996) that did print in the exercise derby. I felt that momentum was completely lost in the double take and it edged a lot of deserving designs. If this doesn't get rejected but doesn't print, I hope it doesn't get an HM because of all the derbies, the double takes are supposed to be dedicated to rewarding quality that was missed not joke fads that fizzled.


I think Fable was talking about DF's physical move (as mentioned in his explanation for why he submitted a joke entry).

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RukasuFox


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fablefire wrote:Thanks for the lols. XD

Hope your move goes well.


Ditto.

Gamior


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eHalcyon wrote:There were two "Rain Dance" entries in that derby. DF's wasn't printed, though it did get an HM. The "Rain Dance" you purchased was by theinfinityloop.



ahhhhh then I retract my statement

Gaddfly


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Ha, the middle one looks like he's giving a b.l.o.w. j.o.b.




BaconWishmeyer


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Gaddfly wrote:Ha, the middle one looks like he's giving a b.l.o.w. j.o.b.



Yup. I see it too. Nasty, DeadFrog!

fablefire


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eHalcyon wrote:I think Fable was talking about DF's physical move (as mentioned in his explanation for why he submitted a joke entry).


QFT.

But yeah Mr.W, it was totally weird how it didn't quite pull hard enough in the exercise derby, yet rolled everything in the double-take.

mrwednesday


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fablefire wrote:QFT.

But yeah Mr.W, it was totally weird how it didn't quite pull hard enough in the exercise derby, yet rolled everything in the double-take.


No ramy to be quite honest. Those votes had to go somewhere. And yeah, I totally read you post wrong. oops....

DeadFrog


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fablefire wrote:QFT.

But yeah Mr.W, it was totally weird how it didn't quite pull hard enough in the exercise derby, yet rolled everything in the double-take.


That was pretty crazy.

yodal


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hahhah funny stuff good job

sonotthereason


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LOLS! GMV, and in for 2 when it wins...

Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

redesnot


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seriously? i cant even pull off a woot parody.

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32951

camoor


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This is a great joke, but I can't see why people would want to wear a shirt only a dedicated wooter would get.

stannley


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the guitarist needs some shades

jabberjaws13


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camoor wrote:This is a great joke, but I can't see why people would want to wear a shirt only a dedicated wooter would get.


every person that likes real music would like this shirt.

britney spears and kenny chesney fans may not get it though, however they probably won't see it anyway because they'll be too busy with their coloring books.....

Happy Beer.

wjmoss


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camoor wrote:This is a great joke, but I can't see why people would want to wear a shirt only a dedicated wooter would get.


Actually, I think the beauty of this shirt is that you don't HAVE to get the Woot joke. The shirt is funny and original from the random viewer's POV. "Pander Bears" are funny. The drawings are funny.

It'd be a success, even outside of the Woot world.

Reawen


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DeadFrog wrote:Reunion Tour! They are sure to be at least as big as Hanson.

This is all in good-natured fun. Moving to Chicago this week and couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry.


Hahaha, very funny. I admit I was extremely against the original, but nice sense of humor in this submission. ^_^

Good luck with the move!

flibbityjibbet


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Upon further inspection, I will definitely be voting, and buying this.

Like some have said, it's not ONLY a reference to the previous shirt. It can be our little secretive way of bashing any bands that soley exist because they are cash cows.

The producer recording my band's album has worked with the Jonas brothers, and said that he had to auto-tune the Gigli (ha, beat you to it, Woot) out of the lead singer's voice.

He was so irritated that someone could be so rich with so little talent, that, after the recording sessions were over, he told the singer "Dude. Your voice is absolutely terrible." The kid looked up at him, laughed, and said "Yeeeah, I know.."

But, give the people what they want. Talent is no longer a prerequisite, for it has now become an "extra".

In for un.

flibbityjibbet


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Gaddfly wrote:Ha, the middle one looks like he's giving a b.l.o.w. j.o.b.


It's a micr...

You can't sing without it being close to...

I quit.

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Would woot ever consider spinning off "KidsShirt.Woot"? That way the usual derby winners could still get printed, and they could go back to printing shirts for adults on shirt.woot

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I lol'ed. I also voted. As much I as I disliked the first one, I'm still not done giggling about pander bears.

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Like I said in another thread: DeadFrog's pander-bait I find amusing because it's self-aware and actually has meaning beyond the ostensible woot self-reference. I'd buy it for the irony and wear it for the popular music commentary (and the irony).

GMV, part eagerly and part grudgingly (I know what I'm supporting, even if I'm trying to ignore its background).

DeadFrog wrote:Moving to Chicago this week and couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry.

Welcome to Chicago! Hie yourself to Kuma's Corner (corner of fransisco and belmont), Hot Doug's (corner of roscoe and california), and Hopleaf (on clark, south of foster) as quickly as you can. Best burgers, hot dogs, and Belgian food and beer (oh, gods, the beers!) in the city (respectively). And don't drink anything but Intelligentsia coffee--Cafe Selmarie in Lincoln Square has the best blend! If you'd like any recommendations or advice, PM me--I'd be happy to impart some.

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Sir, I applaud your chutzpah. I always hate when people start calling "PANDER! PANDER!" on designs. Thanks for not backing down to that.

Though, as you said, I too suspect it will be rejected. Because it could be considered, at some level, a woot reference.

marmls2m


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DeadFrog wrote:I honestly foresee this getting rejected.

I really am interested in the dialogue regarding the validity of playing to the crowd, a concern common in both music and art.

In any case, one way or the other, this probably won't go to print.


you know what would make me really love this shirt? if they scratchy texture was only on the bears and not on their instruments. but i guess asking DF to mock himself that much is asking too much


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goldenthorn wrote:Like I said in another thread: DeadFrog's pander-bait I find amusing because it's self-aware and actually has meaning beyond the ostensible woot self-reference. I'd buy it for the irony and wear it for the popular music commentary (and the irony).

GMV, part eagerly and part grudgingly (I know what I'm supporting, even if I'm trying to ignore its background).


Agreed. At first I didn't like this shirt at all, but, the more I think about it, the more I actually want it. Not only would it speak to people about mass-media-bullcrap, but it is also a nice woot keepsake of sorts... though I don't think it would count as referencing woot since no one would know unless they already spend time here (i.e. no actual "woot" on it).

Also, I hope that you allow this to print if it can. Yes, it has the same design elements as some previous entries, but that's how parodies are made.

Wear this shirt: To let the world know you are sick of carbon-copies of the same old apcray... unless it paradoxically makes fun of that apcray...

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cruelnv wrote:
Also, I hope that you allow this to print if it can. Yes, it has the same design elements as some previous entries, but that's how parodies are made.


I believe you've specified the reason it deserves to avoid rejection: it is a parody--and satirical, too. If people can parody/satirize trademarked characters and icons, then DeadFrog can parody his own work and make a larger satirical point about himself and the mass market world (intentional or not). Yum!

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camoor wrote:Would woot ever consider spinning off "KidsShirt.Woot"? That way the usual derby winners could still get printed, and they could go back to printing shirts for adults on shirt.woot



Indeed.

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After taking in all of the posted comment, I must say that WOOT would be very silly to reject this shirt.
There is no actual woot reference so it should be safe and if they do reject then they are chocolatey.

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I, quite literally, laughed out loud when I clicked on this. Excellent job, DF. Hope you win, and "sell out."

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flibbityjibbet wrote:Upon further inspection, I will definitely be voting, and buying this.

Like some have said, it's not ONLY a reference to the previous shirt. It can be our little secretive way of bashing any bands that soley exist because they are cash cows.

The producer recording my band's album has worked with the Jonas brothers, and said that he had to auto-tune the Gigli (ha, beat you to it, Woot) out of the lead singer's voice.

He was so irritated that someone could be so rich with so little talent, that, after the recording sessions were over, he told the singer "Dude. Your voice is absolutely terrible." The kid looked up at him, laughed, and said "Yeeeah, I know.."

But, give the people what they want. Talent is no longer a prerequisite, for it has now become an "extra".

In for un.


Lols! That's just awful. Thanks for sharing though! Always wondered about that act...

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I see the hear no evil and speak no evil but what about see no evil?

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I hate to be that guy, but all this is is a reworking of his Panda shirt from derby #98 that got rejected. Don't believe me?

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=31919

The Hear no evil panda sure looks like the drummer one.

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ZCSlayer wrote:I hate to be that guy, but all this is is a reworking of his Panda shirt from derby #98 that got rejected. Don't believe me?

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=31919

The Hear no evil panda sure looks like the drummer one.




Really you think? Gee and here I thought that almost every poster before you was crazy for discussing that very topic.

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ZCSlayer wrote:I hate to be that guy, but all this is is a reworking of his Panda shirt from derby #98 that got rejected. Don't believe me?

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=31919

The Hear no evil panda sure looks like the drummer one.


No way! This is clearly a brand new design.

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I love it and would totally buy it and vote for it, but again because of the crappy scratches, I just can't.

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ZCSlayer wrote:I hate to be that guy, but all this is is a reworking of his Panda shirt from derby #98 that got rejected. Don't believe me?

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=31919

The Hear no evil panda sure looks like the drummer one.


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I applaud your sense of humor DeadFrog.

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marmls2m wrote:you know what would make me really love this shirt? if they scratchy texture was only on the bears and not on their instruments. but i guess asking DF to mock himself that much is asking too much


That would have been cool.
Wear this shirt: while you spend an hour reading shirt.woot posts because you're sucked into the drama.

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lavalamp wrote:That would have been cool.
Wear this shirt: while you spend an hour reading shirt.woot posts because you're sucked into the drama.


lol I was feeling the same way! I'd wear the shirt though....but that's cuz panda's are my favorite animal and who can be mad at pandas regardless of the political mechanisms working behind the scenes either for or against them. ^_^

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I once had a friend who always wore the same black, long-sleeved t-shirt and same pair of jeans. Every day. It turned out he wasn't refusing to ever wash his clothes, but he actually had a closet full of the same outfit. All the same pants. All the same shirts.
No one ever gave him a hard time about it...

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bwahahahahahahahaha

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After I got done laughing....

I realized this IS a "substantial change to a previously submitted design." The changes should be sufficient to avoid rejection on that count.

And there is a joke here that only wooters would get...

But there is also a commentary on the music scene today. In fact, completely taken out of context of the previous controversy (and I have to admit, I was one of many that HATED the previous shirt) this shirt would still be funny.

I admire Dead Frog's ability to poke fun both at himself, and the criticism. And I genuinely like this shirt. I think the chances of rejection are actually pretty small, and I wish him luck.

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This shirt would've been more appropriate to me if Deadfrog had shown that he doesn't pander at all. And it will make him a big wily crawdad when he'll continue with the same cute animal distressed shirts.

But hey, we'll continue to eat 'em up cause it's cute and Deadfrog, amirite?

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Love the joke! I may have to buy this (if its made) just for that alone. Love the distressed graphic as well.

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ZCSlayer wrote:I hate to be that guy, but all this is is a reworking of his Panda shirt from derby #98 that got rejected. Don't believe me?

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=31919

The Hear no evil panda sure looks like the drummer one.


Don't be that guy; the guy that fails to read all the previous posts

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Does the fact that this hasn't been rejected yet mean that this might actually not be rejected?

I mean minus the inside joke, it does actually fit the theme surprisingly well. And it'll still be funny to people who don't get the joke.

pssquishy


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Wait... so you're admitting that you were pandering before? Or you're admitting that you're pandering now? Or both?

marmls2m


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pssquishy wrote:Wait... so you're admitting that you were pandering before? Or you're admitting that you're pandering now? Or both?


im not deadfrog, i cant answer for him, but the answer could be neither. it may be that he is mocking the accusations leveled at him through the last design. or maybe he is diffusing those accusations by turning them on its head, taking a design that was accused of pandering and making it into a statement of popular music.


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i gotta be honest, im getting irritated with all this Panda Bear apcray. its cute and cuddly . . . . and im sick of it. millions WOULD NOT BE CAUGHT DEAD wearing this. why does everyone "have to own this"? i mean, christ, what have you done with all your other panda bear shirts?

HeartlineTwist


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Floridafighter66 wrote:i gotta be honest, im getting irritated with all this Panda Bear apcray. its cute and cuddly . . . . and im sick of it. millions WOULD NOT BE CAUGHT DEAD wearing this. why does everyone "have to own this"? i mean, christ, what have you done with all your other panda bear shirts?


Good thing it takes only a fraction of "millions" (about 700-1000 usually) to get a shirt to print.

I don't want it either, but I can see why 1/300th of the US population might...

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fyi, theres an artist named panda bear
i'm not sure if the "s" on the end of bear makes a difference.

cool shirt btw gmv

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Infurnoh wrote:fyi, theres an artist named panda bear
i'm not sure if the "s" on the end of bear makes a difference.

cool shirt btw gmv


Yes, yes, panda bear is a pretty cool side project of one of the animal collective dudes (<--new album is awwwwwesome). BUT THIS ISN'T PANDA BEAR. IT'S PANDER BEAR.

I recommend reading glasses if you can't tell the difference between -er and -a.

To pander: to create/provide something or act in a certain manner solely to appeal to others' desires. i.e. "give the people what they want."

WORDPLAY.

Floridafighter66 wrote:i gotta be honest, im getting irritated with all this Panda Bear apcray. its cute and cuddly . . . . and im sick of it. millions WOULD NOT BE CAUGHT DEAD wearing this. why does everyone "have to own this"? i mean, christ, what have you done with all your other panda bear shirts?

I hate cute and cuddly tshirts as well. Stuffed animals make me sneer and roll my eyes. Panda bears are no big deal to me. Hells, I don't even like any of DeadFrog's previous tees, and I haven't particularly been enamored with most of his submissions (I don't believe I've ever voted for one before). But I love this shirt. Even were one to know nothing about woot, the design is an amusing, sardonic comment about the music industry. It is not cute for the sake of being cute. It is cute for satirical purposes. If one doesn't get that this is not cute for the sake of being cute, but something more, then one is intellectually deficient (you don't have to like it, but at least try to "get" it). And that one probably luuuuuuvs nickelback and britney spears and whatever else mass-produced, badly written, auto-tuned top 40 apcray there is.

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My only fear is that I will get this shirt in the "random shirt deal" days.

Commentary on the music industry? Possibly. Inside Woot joke? Oh hell yes. Deadfrog hits the nail on the head with "Give the people what they want."

This will print and some of you that SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF! this shirt will get it . . . eventually.

Those pandas do make me laugh though!

studio1172


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studio1172 wrote:My only fear is that I will get this shirt in the "random shirt deal" days.

Commentary on the music industry? Possibly. Inside Woot joke? Oh hell yes. Deadfrog hits the nail on the head with "Give the people what they want."

This will print and some of you that SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF! this shirt will get it . . . eventually.

Those pandas do make me laugh though!


I wonder why it censored "do not want"?

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Infurnoh wrote:fyi, theres an artist named panda bear
i'm not sure if the "s" on the end of bear makes a difference.

cool shirt btw gmv



Maybe, but I'm sure the "er" and the end of pander instead of an "a" for panda does. I mean, it's two totally different words!

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Andy47240 wrote:Come on, you're better that that aren't you?


Obviously he isn't. But that hasn't stopped him from fooling everyone. Seriously, guys? Somehow, when someone reuses their rejected but hugely popular characters, it is a joke and therefore awesome? This is an inside joke. The sort of inside joke two fratties have where the punchline is really just "that girl has nice knockers," but they laugh like it was The Best of SNL.

Man, if only Milli Vanilli had known. They could have made a second album called "We don't sing!" and they could have been totally forgiven. The Jonas Brothers would release "Pitch Correction: the Album"! Kanye West could drop "I only sound good with vocoder"! The world could be full of terrible terrible apcray, but so long as they poke fun at themselves, it is OK!

The joke is on all of you. Deadfrog put this together to profit off the popularity of the other entry, and the text is clearly meant to be a mockery of people who are standing up for quality instead of following the rocket scientist mob. Way to fall for it, guys. I'm sure this guy totally deserves your votes and the prize you're allowing him way more than anything else this week.

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AdderXYU wrote:Obviously he isn't. But that hasn't stopped him from fooling everyone. Seriously, guys? Somehow, when someone reuses their rejected but hugely popular characters, it is a joke and therefore awesome? This is an inside joke. The sort of inside joke two fratties have where the punchline is really just "that girl has nice knockers," but they laugh like it was The Best of SNL.

Man, if only Milli Vanilli had known. They could have made a second album called "We don't sing!" and they could have been totally forgiven. The Jonas Brothers would release "Pitch Correction: the Album"! Kanye West could drop "I only sound good with vocoder"! The world could be full of terrible terrible apcray, but so long as they poke fun at themselves, it is OK!

The joke is on all of you. Deadfrog put this together to profit off the popularity of the other entry, and the text is clearly meant to be a mockery of people who are standing up for quality instead of following the rocket scientist mob. Way to fall for it, guys. I'm sure this guy totally deserves your votes and the prize you're allowing him way more than anything else this week.


Woot should have a /ignore option...

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FirefIy wrote:Woot should have a /ignore option...


They do..it is inside your head...if you don't want to read Adder's posts, just skip over them.

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FirefIy wrote:Woot should have a /ignore option...


And a punctuation and grammar checking option...

eHalcyon


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pssquishy wrote:And a punctuation and grammar checking option...


If said aloud as "a slash-ignore option", then there isn't any error in the punctuation or grammar. The forward slash is commonly used as a prefix to commands in applications such as IRC clients.

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eHalcyon wrote:If said aloud as "a slash-ignore option", then there isn't any error in the punctuation or grammar. The forward slash is commonly used as a prefix to commands in applications such as IRC clients.


But since we are typing and not speaking out loud... I mean, since we are /typing and not /speaking out loud. Nope. Makes me look like a moron too.

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pssquishy wrote:But since we are typing and not speaking out loud... I mean, since we are /typing and not /speaking out loud. Nope. Makes me look like a moron too.


/me haz a sad

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pssquishy wrote:But since we are typing and not speaking out loud... I mean, since we are /typing and not /speaking out loud. Nope. Makes me look like a moron too.


No, it's not something you randomly put in front of verbs. I think you're missing the reference here.

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I've shown this sub to several people who don't know anything about woot, and they've all found it pretty damn funny. It's relatively clever wordplay and, as has been said, is a pretty accurate comment about the music industry. Honestly, the self-deprecating reference is just icing on the cake that, to me, makes the shirt even funnier. If it wasn't a good shirt to begin with then yeah, reject it, but with everything else aside the shirt stands alone as something I'd definitely wear. Hope it prints.

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eHalcyon wrote:No, it's not something you randomly put in front of verbs. I think you're missing the reference here.


No. I get it. I was being a smart ass. This is kylemittskus, by the way. Or, my alter ego.

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pssquishy wrote:No. I get it. I was being a smart ass. This is kylemittskus, by the way. Or, my alter ego.


Ha, ok then.

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arwerther wrote:Too cute. Looks too much like a lot of your other shirts.


I agree with that...what's with the exact same pandas on so many of your other entries???

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I have to say, I like the shirt. Feelings about cutesy animals aside, this shirt is very clever and, dare I say, pretty much correct.

studio1172 wrote:This will print and some of you that SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF! this shirt will get it . . . eventually.


Also: Best. Censor. Evar.

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Bums me out that this design (and Ramb's design) are still in the fog...

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krouth wrote:Bums me out that this design (and Ramb's design) are still in the fog...


Honestly... this derby had so much potential and so many great designs, but they've been overshadowed by gag-inducing cutesy animals and incredibly overdone jokes (I'm looking at you, "Monsters of Cowbell" shirt).

Oh well, I just hope the next derby is a bit more interesting.

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falseutopia wrote:I agree with that...what's with the exact same pandas on so many of your other entries???


One entry is not "so many". This is only the second design of his featuring pandas. DF has used the same simple-cartoon-scratchy-texture style many times though, if that's what you mean.

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well it's cute... but i don't want a cute fake band shirt. :/
i would more like a shirt, that looks like it could be a real band shirt.

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The text at the bottom ruined it for me

I was gonna vote on it if it wasn't for that.

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How is this in the top 4? And why exactly is it funny?

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KIDA26 wrote:How is this in the top 4? And why exactly is it funny?


Did you miss the whole Quotations derby debacle?

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AdderXYU wrote:Obviously he isn't. But that hasn't stopped him from fooling everyone. Seriously, guys? Somehow, when someone reuses their rejected but hugely popular characters, it is a joke and therefore awesome? This is an inside joke. The sort of inside joke two fratties have where the punchline is really just "that girl has nice knockers," but they laugh like it was The Best of SNL.


I'm just wondering, Adder, since you tend to be logical in the comments you leave, if someone else had done this instead of Deadfrog, would you like it more? As you've said, they are hugely popular characters on here, so it seems like they'd make for a good woot-inspired parody. It also speaks about the mass-marketing apcray in the media; even for people that don't know anything about the inside joke. So don't you think that it would be a good design if you didn't know the history of the designer? (I'm actually wondering your take on it)

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jmmbell1987 wrote:Did you miss the whole Quotations derby debacle?


I remember that derby.. but I guess I didn't read the comments on that one.

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Ommog wrote:Honestly... this derby had so much potential and so many great designs, but they've been overshadowed by gag-inducing cutesy animals and incredibly overdone jokes (I'm looking at you, "Monsters of Cowbell" shirt).

Oh well, I just hope the next derby is a bit more interesting.


I totally agree...

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Ommog wrote:Honestly... this derby had so much potential and so many great designs, but they've been overshadowed by gag-inducing cutesy animals and incredibly overdone jokes (I'm looking at you, "Monsters of Cowbell" shirt).

Oh well, I just hope the next derby is a bit more interesting.


I don't think I would wear a single one of the shirts in the fog. If they were given to me for free I would try to sell them and then just give them away. The cowbell stuff is so insanely overdone, I thought the whole thing was stupid in the first place. The PB&J is pretty dumb, I would feel really awkward wearing the dirty hippy shirt, and this is a joke entry....
There are two entries that I like and would buy, though one would need a name change to gain a purchase from me.

AdderXYU


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cruelnv wrote:I'm just wondering, Adder, since you tend to be logical in the comments you leave, if someone else had done this instead of Deadfrog, would you like it more? As you've said, they are hugely popular characters on here, so it seems like they'd make for a good woot-inspired parody. It also speaks about the mass-marketing apcray in the media; even for people that don't know anything about the inside joke. So don't you think that it would be a good design if you didn't know the history of the designer? (I'm actually wondering your take on it)


No. Because whoever made it would make it knowing that the characters would bring in scads of votes, and stealing someone's characters is worse than being an uncreative panderer. This entry can't be made without a grand in mind.

It does not speak about mass marketing apcray, because the design is about profiting. It is saying "fight the status quo by rewarding the status quo". There is not enough parody. I enjoy the other Five Panda piece with the crappy scratching simply because it parodies this, but if it somehow got close to winning, I would be none the happier.

Also, that it is a woot-related joke alone, to me, means it should be rejected for being woot-related. That is true of anyone who would submit it.

It is all about the blatant intention of this shirt. I don't know how people can see today's Abe shirt as racist and offensive, but can't read any sort of subtext into this one.

eHalcyon


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AdderXYU wrote:It is all about the blatant intention of this shirt. I don't know how people can see today's Abe shirt as racist and offensive, but can't read any sort of subtext into this one.


The pander bears are RACIST.

1. Pandas are commonly associated with China.

2. In terms of the derby, pandering has come to mean laying aside artistic integrity in an attempt to make a quick buck. In short, it is an action of greed.

3. Chinese people have a reputation for being frugal, stereotyped as haggling over every last penny, etc.

This design enforces a negative stereotype of Chinese people, saying that all we care about is money. I am highly offended.




Disclaimer: I'm kidding. Please don't go into a hissy fit.

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cruelnv


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AdderXYU wrote: ...Also, that it is a woot-related joke alone, to me, means it should be rejected for being woot-related. That is true of anyone who would submit it.

It is all about the blatant intention of this shirt...


I didn't realize that a shirt couldn't be woot-related as far as things discussed on woot. I thought it was simply the site's design and function (using "woot" or this for instance). That's a bit dissapointing as having a shirt that implies you're fan of woot (by subject matter and not just owning a shirt from the site) would be kind of cool in my opinion.

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xtinaftw


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cruelnv wrote:I didn't realize that a shirt couldn't be woot-related as far as things discussed on woot. I thought it was simply the site's design and function (using "woot" or this for instance). That's a bit dissapointing as having a shirt that implies you're fan of woot (by subject matter and not just owning a shirt from the site) would be kind of cool in my opinion.


Ask and ye shall receive! This one never gets reckoned, but it's hidden and only the coolest wooters can have it! ;D

kylemittskus


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eHalcyon wrote:The pander bears are RACIST.

1. Pandas are commonly associated with China.

2. In terms of the derby, pandering has come to mean laying aside artistic integrity in an attempt to make a quick buck. In short, it is an action of greed.

3. Chinese people have a reputation for being frugal, stereotyped as haggling over every last penny, etc.

This design enforces a negative stereotype of Chinese people, saying that all we care about is money. I am highly offended.




Disclaimer: I'm kidding. Please don't go into a hissy fit.


No no no. You've got it all wrong. 2 and 3 are about us Jews!

Disclaimer: I'm Jewish so get into a hissy fit and I'll raise your rent.

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deebaser


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DeadFrog wrote:I honestly foresee this getting rejected.

I really am interested in the dialogue regarding the validity of playing to the crowd, a concern common in both music and art.

In any case, one way or the other, this probably won't go to print.


Don't deprive yourself, woot, or the 1000+ people that will buy this shirt day 1, and for at least 3 months after the chance to own this awesome shirt.

Ultimately who cares what these Salieris think?

I love everything about this shirt.
I just can't see wearing it.
Also I dislike the color...
... and the graphic.
/end typical shirt.woot commenter (Csmos)

deebaser


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FirefIy wrote:Woot should have a /ignore option...


All you really need to know about that guy can be found on threadless...

"AdderXYU ... has scored 20921 submissions, giving an average score of 1.02."

I love everything about this shirt.
I just can't see wearing it.
Also I dislike the color...
... and the graphic.
/end typical shirt.woot commenter (Csmos)

Ommog


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cruelnv wrote:I didn't realize that a shirt couldn't be woot-related as far as things discussed on woot. I thought it was simply the site's design and function (using "woot" or this for instance). That's a bit dissapointing as having a shirt that implies you're fan of woot (by subject matter and not just owning a shirt from the site) would be kind of cool in my opinion.


Not really trying to bash or attack you, but I'm just going to use this as a spring board if you don't mind...

Wasn't there a shirt last week with all kinds of avatars representing popular artists on here in a police lineup? Didn't that shirt, an inside joke, get rejected for being Woot related?

Oh yeah... there was, and it did.

The fact of the matter is that this IS an inside joke. Despite the fact that it might be able to be applied to the music genre by people not familiar with Woot, the core of the joke is DeadFrog's design/style (specifically, the one from the quotations derby). It's my opinion that if one were to go by Woot's rulings in the past then this should be considered a Woot reference and therefore it should be rejected. On top of everything else, it doesn't even look like a freaking band shirt! C'mon! There's a time and a place for the cutesy stuff, and I really don't think fake band shirts are either. Unless of course you're parodying something like "The Wiggles," but why would you want to do that?

Bah... rant rant rant.

cruelnv


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Ommog wrote:Not really trying to bash or attack you, but I'm just going to use this as a spring board if you don't mind...

Wasn't there a shirt last week with all kinds of avatars representing popular artists on here in a police lineup? Didn't that shirt, an inside joke, get rejected for being Woot related?

Oh yeah... there was, and it did.

...

Bah... rant rant rant.


Sorry, but I believe you misunderstood; I was actually serious. I genuinely wasn't sure if a joke related to commentary would be rejected. I'm not sarcastic all the time. ;)

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cruelnv


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xtinaftw wrote:Ask and ye shall receive! This one never gets reckoned, but it's hidden and only the coolest wooters can have it! ;D


Thanks for the link. =)

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Kiwii


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Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32839]


I adore pandas and everything that this awesomely witty shirt stands for; but it really needs to not be in the fog any longer.

kylemittskus


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cruelnv wrote:Sorry, but I believe you misunderstood; I was actually serious. I genuinely wasn't sure if a joke related to commentary would be rejected. I'm not sarcastic all the time. ;)


Yes. Woot-related shirts are against the rules. So, no bagg of crapp shirts. No question mark shirts. No Pander Bears shirts. Etc.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

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AdderXYU


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deebaser wrote:All you really need to know about that guy can be found on threadless...

"AdderXYU ... has scored 20921 submissions, giving an average score of 1.02."


That's not even half the information you can find out about me at XXXCurmudgeonLove.com

haishasan


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kylemittskus wrote:Yes. Woot-related shirts are against the rules. So, no bagg of crapp shirts. No question mark shirts. No Pander Bears shirts. Etc.


That's quite a bit of a non sequitur. Bagg of Crapp and question mark are in a whole different league from DF's pandas when talking about woot references. They really are no different than RamyB's bunnies when it comes down to it.

Although I don't think this is exactly the type of shirt that Woot was looking for this derby, there is no legitimate reason for rejection.

imsochady


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Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32839]


me thought this was a joke entry...

antidote859


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haishasan wrote:That's quite a bit of a non sequitur. Bagg of Crapp and question mark are in a whole different league from DF's pandas when talking about woot references. They really are no different than RamyB's bunnies when it comes down to it.

Although I don't think this is exactly the type of shirt that Woot was looking for this derby, there is no legitimate reason for rejection.


Exactly. This is a completely legitimate shirt.

Ommog


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cruelnv wrote:Sorry, but I believe you misunderstood; I was actually serious. I genuinely wasn't sure if a joke related to commentary would be rejected. I'm not sarcastic all the time. ;)


Like I said, I wasn't really directing that post at you or anything. I was simply using it as a way to launch my own rant because it was somewhat related to what I wanted to talk about.

Apologies for any confusion or offense or anything.

Ommog


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haishasan wrote:That's quite a bit of a non sequitur. Bagg of Crapp and question mark are in a whole different league from DF's pandas when talking about woot references. They really are no different than RamyB's bunnies when it comes down to it.

Although I don't think this is exactly the type of shirt that Woot was looking for this derby, there is no legitimate reason for rejection.


Are you kidding? This shirt is an obvious reference to all the drama from the quotations derby. The design, the style, the name... the pandas are pretty much exactly the same as his previous shirt! If you think that's okay, then why did the shirt I linked to earlier (http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32580) get rejected? It had as much in common with Woot as this shirt does, and that was enough to get the former tossed out of the derby. All I'm saying is that maybe the rules should be clear and consistent... but what do I know?

APerfectC


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Gamior wrote:I'd be quite disappointed if this actually won. Your other work is so much better, rain dance was the first shirt I bought off this site!


kdubbs29 wrote:Not really feeling this one. It seems like it came too easily to you. I definitely prefer your other style (rain dancer) to this cutesy, circle-shaped, distressed style that you also do.


I am assuming that you both are referring to theinfinityloop’s design “Rain Dance” In case you didn’t notice, this submission is by DeadFrog. Is there something going on that I don’t understand or what?

See: http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=8943

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eHalcyon


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Ommog wrote:Are you kidding? This shirt is an obvious reference to all the drama from the quotations derby. The design, the style, the name... the pandas are pretty much exactly the same as his previous shirt! If you think that's okay, then why did the shirt I linked to earlier (http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32580) get rejected? It had as much in common with Woot as this shirt does, and that was enough to get the former tossed out of the derby. All I'm saying is that maybe the rules should be clear and consistent... but what do I know?


The difference is that this design actually has substance (intentional or not) outside of being a woot reference. Even if DF hadn't submitted his earlier panda entry, this one would still make sense. With the linked and past examples, anyone not aware of Woot would just go "huh?"

Don't get me wrong, I think this should be rejected as well, since the woot reference IS obviously there, but I can see how someone could make the case for its printing. goldenthorn, for example, has made some pretty convincing arguments.

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KIDA26


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eHalcyon wrote:The difference is that this design actually has substance (intentional or not) outside of being a woot reference. Even if DF hadn't submitted his earlier panda entry, this one would still make sense. With the linked and past examples, anyone not aware of Woot would just go "huh?"

Don't get me wrong, I think this should be rejected as well, since the woot reference IS obviously there, but I can see how someone could make the case for its printing. goldenthorn, for example, has made some pretty convincing arguments.


The shirt makes no sense to me without any reference. I Think it should be rejected for being Woot related. I agree that the pandas are EXACTLY the same as that previous woot.

neonix


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hoho, this is so dirty.

fallnmidnitestar


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I want to wear a Panda bear!

KIDA26


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fallnmidnitestar wrote:I want to wear a Panda bear!


Then buy an Enjoi shirt...

jujub32122


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Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32839]


hahahahahaha you rock :D

jujub32122


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AdderXYU wrote:Obviously he isn't. But that hasn't stopped him from fooling everyone. Seriously, guys? Somehow, when someone reuses their rejected but hugely popular characters, it is a joke and therefore awesome? This is an inside joke. The sort of inside joke two fratties have where the punchline is really just "that girl has nice knockers," but they laugh like it was The Best of SNL.

Man, if only Milli Vanilli had known. They could have made a second album called "We don't sing!" and they could have been totally forgiven. The Jonas Brothers would release "Pitch Correction: the Album"! Kanye West could drop "I only sound good with vocoder"! The world could be full of terrible terrible apcray, but so long as they poke fun at themselves, it is OK!

The joke is on all of you. Deadfrog put this together to profit off the popularity of the other entry, and the text is clearly meant to be a mockery of people who are standing up for quality instead of following the rocket scientist mob. Way to fall for it, guys. I'm sure this guy totally deserves your votes and the prize you're allowing him way more than anything else this week.


you take this WAY too seriously bud. its a shirt and people like it. get OVER it.

domi123


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Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32839]


What's with all the scratchiness? It would be so bad if it didn't look like someone was wearing this and then got dragged down a gravel road on their chest.

domi123


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domi123 wrote:What's with all the scratchiness? It would be so bad if it didn't look like someone was wearing this and then got dragged down a gravel road on their chest.


I meant to say "It wouldn't be so bad..."

achickta


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re:


this is super cute. i want two for my kiddos.

Stormink


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deebaser wrote:All you really need to know about that guy can be found on threadless...

"AdderXYU ... has scored 20921 submissions, giving an average score of 1.02."


You think that's bad?! ROFL! I think I'm hanging out around 0.32.

Pigfreak


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Looks like it was made using Paint.

kylemittskus


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Stormink wrote:You think that's bad?! ROFL! I think I'm hanging out around 0.32.


The ol' you-can't-critique-art-unless-you're-a-successful-artist argument. One of my favorites. I have a 0 since I have never tried to be an artist, but I think I can still have an opinion about art. Congrats on the 0.32!

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AdderXYU


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Stormink wrote:You think that's bad?! ROFL! I think I'm hanging out around 0.32.


I don't think I've seen very many Threadless users with over 10K votes and an over 2.0 vote average. People who do either cherrypick, or else are far too indiscriminate to have their votes mean anything.

kylemittskus wrote:The ol' you-can't-critique-art-unless-you're-a-successful-artist argument. One of my favorites. I have a 0 since I have never tried to be an artist, but I think I can still have an opinion about art. Congrats on the 0.32!


The average is our "average vote" score. Which is to say that I've scored over 20K designs, and on average given just over a 1. Which I think is a fair score, given some of what is submit to Threadless week in and week out.

HeartlineTwist


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APerfectC wrote:I am assuming that you both are referring to theinfinityloop’s design “Rain Dance” In case you didn’t notice, this submission is by DeadFrog. Is there something going on that I don’t understand or what?

See: http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=8943


DF had a Rain Dancer shirt in that same derby...didn't print, though (I don't think...)

artulo


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HeartlineTwist wrote:DF had a Rain Dancer shirt in that same derby...didn't print, though (I don't think...)


No, but it did get an HM.

nbouscal


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eHalcyon wrote:The difference is that this design actually has substance (intentional or not) outside of being a woot reference. Even if DF hadn't submitted his earlier panda entry, this one would still make sense. With the linked and past examples, anyone not aware of Woot would just go "huh?"


QFT. Further, I really like what someone said about this being akin to Ramy's bunnies. It really is a good parallel. And, while plenty of people hate the bunnies and want them to burn in hell, nobody is suggesting that they deserve to be rejected. Just because one of DF's past shirts with his stereotypical characters was rejected doesn't mean all future ones must be. Keep in mind, the shirt that was rejected was rejected for the reason that you could find similar shirts elsewhere, and easily. That's obviously not grounds for rejection in this case, as this is an original concept. I might also add that this shirt is a hell of a lot funnier (to any random person, not just a shirt.woot regular) than some of the other entries this week. Cowbells are so overdone it makes my brain hurt.

imsochady


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nbouscal wrote: I might also add that this shirt is a hell of a lot funnier (to any random person, not just a shirt.woot regular) than some of the other entries this week...


I disagree. Any random person would not get this shirt. Just with the sub-text, "Give The People What They Want." What does that even mean out of context/shirt.woot world? It doesn't quite go with the 3 pandas playing nor with the headline "Pander Bears." This is an inside shirt.woot joke entry guys! Even DF said he "couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry." If you plan on buying this, just imagine first how you are gonna explain to people what's going on here. But I bet it's gonna conclude with that random person saying, "Ah, so it's an inside joke kinda thing."

cevans10


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Ommog wrote:Are you kidding? This shirt is an obvious reference to all the drama from the quotations derby. The design, the style, the name... the pandas are pretty much exactly the same as his previous shirt! If you think that's okay, then why did the shirt I linked to earlier (http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32580) get rejected? It had as much in common with Woot as this shirt does, and that was enough to get the former tossed out of the derby. All I'm saying is that maybe the rules should be clear and consistent... but what do I know?


The shirt you linked to does not have the same design, style, or name as a previous shirt, as you claim this shirt does, and DF's shirt does not make a blatant reference to Woot artists, as the shirt you linked to does. In fact, this shirt makes no Woot reference at all. Your rejection logic makes no sense, unless referencing something that was discussed on a Woot thread is grounds for rejection. Now wouldn't that be something?

"Rabbits, dinky looking peanut butter jars, the color asphalt!"

Boom, there goes a dozen shirts right there!

AdderXYU


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imsochady wrote:I disagree. Any random person would not get this shirt. Just with the sub-text, "Give The People What They Want." What does that even mean out of context/shirt.woot world? It doesn't quite go with the 3 pandas playing nor with the headline "Pander Bears." This is an inside shirt.woot joke entry guys! Even DF said he "couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry." If you plan on buying this, just imagine first how you are gonna explain to people what's going on here. But I bet it's gonna conclude with that random person saying, "Ah, so it's an inside joke kinda thing."


It comes down to people voting for a shirt because it mocks bands who are only in it for the money. Even though the user created the shirt only because it would bring him money.

Hypocrisy at its apex.

Ommog


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nbouscal wrote:QFT. Further, I really like what someone said about this being akin to Ramy's bunnies. It really is a good parallel. And, while plenty of people hate the bunnies and want them to burn in hell, nobody is suggesting that they deserve to be rejected. Just because one of DF's past shirts with his stereotypical characters was rejected doesn't mean all future ones must be. Keep in mind, the shirt that was rejected was rejected for the reason that you could find similar shirts elsewhere, and easily. That's obviously not grounds for rejection in this case, as this is an original concept. I might also add that this shirt is a hell of a lot funnier (to any random person, not just a shirt.woot regular) than some of the other entries this week. Cowbells are so overdone it makes my brain hurt.


You can't just compare it to Ramyb's bunnies like that; it's not that simple. It's more like if Ramyb made a design with his bunnies but somehow also conveyed a message saying "Hey guys! I'm Ramyb and I draw bunnies on shirt.woot and people on there either love or hate them... there was a lot of arguing about them, so I decided to make a joke entry with them!" The Pandas themselves are acceptable as some sort of mascot or theme or something for DeadFrog, but the message of this shirt is an inside joke.

HeartlineTwist


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AdderXYU wrote:It comes down to people voting for a shirt because it mocks bands who are only in it for the money. Even though the user created the shirt only because it would bring him money.

Hypocrisy at its apex.


I'm pretty sure DF said or heavily implied that this flat out wouldn't make it to print...why do we have to argue this into the ground?

Ommog


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cevans10 wrote:The shirt you linked to does not have the same design, style, or name as a previous shirt, as you claim this shirt does, and DF's shirt does not make a blatant reference to Woot artists, as the shirt you linked to does. In fact, this shirt makes no Woot reference at all. Your rejection logic makes no sense, unless referencing something that was discussed on a Woot thread is grounds for rejection. Now wouldn't that be something?

"Rabbits, dinky looking peanut butter jars, the color asphalt!"

Boom, there goes a dozen shirts right there!


I'm not arguing about the pandas. The pandas are fine; I honestly really don't care for them, and I think that it's a shame that an artist with such talent doesn't put it to better use, but I think it's fine if he wants to keep using them. What I'm arguing is the message of the shirt: "Pander Bears" ... "Give the people what they want" ... the fact that the artist SAID it was a joke entry! There's no way you can say that it's NOT a direct reference to happens behind the scenes and Woot, and I honestly it's just as guilty as the shirt I mentioned earlier. Both are directly referencing the Woot community, and that has been a good enough reason for rejection in the past.

nbouscal


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imsochady wrote:I disagree. Any random person would not get this shirt. Just with the sub-text, "Give The People What They Want." What does that even mean out of context/shirt.woot world? It doesn't quite go with the 3 pandas playing nor with the headline "Pander Bears." This is an inside shirt.woot joke entry guys! Even DF said he "couldn't bring myself to do a serious entry." If you plan on buying this, just imagine first how you are gonna explain to people what's going on here. But I bet it's gonna conclude with that random person saying, "Ah, so it's an inside joke kinda thing."


So, just out of curiosity, do you know the meaning of the word pander? I'm specifically confused by your lack of understanding of what the subtext means outside of shirt.woot context. The subtext is practically the definition of the word pander in its modern usage. While the word heralds from a baser origin, the easiest way to express the current connotation is, quite simply, the phrase in the subtext of this shirt.

As such, the three portions of the shirt that you say "don't quite go [together]" are all interlinked in a way that is downright obvious to the casual observer. Pander is a simple play on words, hence the pandas, and the subtext merely enunciates the theme in more specific terms.

The only thing that makes it a self-reference is that these pandering pandas are clearly self-deprecating on behalf of the artist; however, that meaning is secondary to the one that your "random person" would quickly pick up on: current mainstream musicians "pander" to the crowds by selling catchy music that, while completely lacking in any form of musical integrity, is what the people want.

So, while the shirt is an inside joke, it manages to be simultaneously meaningful to anyone with a large enough vocabulary. Because of this, there are really no grounds for rejection.

nbouscal


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AdderXYU wrote:
Hypocrisy at its apex.


Hypocrisy and self-deprecation for humor's sake are similar, but different. DF is well aware of the difference, as he has clearly indicated that this shirt is a jab at himself. However, (and this also goes to all of you who are saying it should be rejected because the artist said it was a joke entry), just because it's self-deprecating doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile and humorous shirt. Many times something the artist intended as a joke turns out to be that artist's best work.

schw9411


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Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32839]


So, I love how DF is able to do exactly what art should- stimulate conversation. Even if it is conversation saying how it's not art, meh. I love the shirt, love the woot joke, love the non-woot pop culture critique, and I will be so sad if I can't purchase this shirt.

kylemittskus


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nbouscal wrote:QFT. Further, I really like what someone said about this being akin to Ramy's bunnies. It really is a good parallel. And, while plenty of people hate the bunnies and want them to burn in hell, nobody is suggesting that they deserve to be rejected. Just because one of DF's past shirts with his stereotypical characters was rejected doesn't mean all future ones must be.


You're missing the point and comparing this shirt to the bunnies shirt is completely horrible. Ramy's shirt has no grounds for rejection. It's a bad shirt, but that's all. This shirt should be rejected because it is a woot reference; not because other shirts exist like it. People hate Ramy's shirt because it embrangles. People are saying this shirt should get rejected because it falls under woot reference. See the difference?

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AdderXYU


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nbouscal wrote:Hypocrisy and self-deprecation for humor's sake are similar, but different. DF is well aware of the difference, as he has clearly indicated that this shirt is a jab at himself. However, (and this also goes to all of you who are saying it should be rejected because the artist said it was a joke entry), just because it's self-deprecating doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile and humorous shirt. Many times something the artist intended as a joke turns out to be that artist's best work.


And many times it is not. This is not.

The main difference in our arguments: you actually have a shred of faith in Deadfrog, while I do not.

imsochady


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nbouscal wrote:So, just out of curiosity, do you know the meaning of the word pander? I'm specifically confused by your lack of understanding of what the subtext means outside of shirt.woot context. The subtext is practically the definition of the word pander in its modern usage. While the word heralds from a baser origin, the easiest way to express the current connotation is, quite simply, the phrase in the subtext of this shirt.

As such, the three portions of the shirt that you say "don't quite go [together]" are all interlinked in a way that is downright obvious to the casual observer. Pander is a simple play on words, hence the pandas, and the subtext merely enunciates the theme in more specific terms.

The only thing that makes it a self-reference is that these pandering pandas are clearly self-deprecating on behalf of the artist; however, that meaning is secondary to the one that your "random person" would quickly pick up on: current mainstream musicians "pander" to the crowds by selling catchy music that, while completely lacking in any form of musical integrity, is what the people want.

So, while the shirt is an inside joke, it manages to be simultaneously meaningful to anyone with a large enough vocabulary. Because of this, there are really no grounds for rejection.


Oh I'm sorry. I must've used the dictionary definition of the word "pander" in verb form,

[v] Pander: to offer illicit sex with a third party; to pimp;

And all I can see are panda bears with musical instruments. Unless of course this a new way of "pandering" (my definition) in the streets today.

But going back to my point, this is a joke entry as the artist said so himself. There are other well-intentioned designs out there. Support them instead!

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kylemittskus wrote:You're missing the point and comparing this shirt to the bunnies shirt is completely horrible. Ramy's shirt has no grounds for rejection. It's a bad shirt, but that's all. This shirt should be rejected because it is a woot reference; not because other shirts exist like it. People hate Ramy's shirt because it embrangles. People are saying this shirt should get rejected because it falls under woot reference. See the difference?


I would also like to note there is not even a shred enough hate toward that idiotic Pi shirt that somehow made it to fog-level. I have not seen a worse shirt in contention for a print since Hackrox submit "eggs are sides" to the exercise derby.

Let us all remember in these trying times that, even as we argue over Deadfrog and Ramy, it is an honest truth that NOBODY actually likes haxrox

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imsochady wrote:I disagree. Any random person would not get this shirt. Just with the sub-text, "Give The People What They Want." What does that even mean out of context/shirt.woot world? It doesn't quite go with the 3 pandas playing nor with the headline "Pander Bears." This is an inside shirt.woot joke entry guys!


EXACTLY. I am not a Woot! insider.. and I have no clue why this is funny. It looks like a direct ripoff of the hear no evil shirt.

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AdderXYU wrote:I would also like to note there is not even a shred enough hate toward that idiotic Pi shirt that somehow made it to fog-level.


I hate the Pi shirt. My boyfriend does too. I didn't want to say anything because I thought maybe it would make me look dumb. I'm not dumb. I think it's an ugly shirt. Maybe I better get over to that thread and check things out...

I wonder if DF is going to pull the plug on this one?


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nbouscal


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imsochady wrote:Oh I'm sorry. I must've used the dictionary definition of the word "pander" in verb form,

[v] Pander: to offer illicit sex with a third party; to pimp;


Like I said, the word heralds from a baser origin. Connotation is what's important. Ask a random person on the street what "pander" means; what they tell you will align with the theme of the shirt. And it's in the dictionary too:

"–verb (used without object)
4. to act as a pander; cater basely: to pander to the vile tastes of vulgar persons."

Cater basely is the relevant part of this definition. There's even an article here: http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-pan2.htm that explains further the fact that pander is no longer associated with the solicitation of sex.


On to other points: Adder, I think the main difference is not our level of faith in DF but rather how much we like the design. Yes, I have more faith in him than you, but I also love the hell out of this design and would wear it all the time.


Regarding bunnies: I don't think Ramy's shirt should be rejected either. I actually like most of Ramy's shirts. This one is one of his weaker entries, in my opinion, but in general I think the guy's damn talented. My point is, neither of the shirts should be rejected.


Regarding the pi shirt: Yeah, I effing hate it too. It needs to get the hell out of the fog.

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nbouscal wrote:Like I said, the word heralds from a baser origin. Connotation is what's important. Ask a random person on the street what "pander" means; what they tell you will align with the theme of the shirt. And it's in the dictionary too:

"–verb (used without object)
4. to act as a pander; cater basely: to pander to the vile tastes of vulgar persons."

Cater basely is the relevant part of this definition. There's even an article here: http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-pan2.htm that explains further the fact that pander is no longer associated with the solicitation of sex.

0MG, you are still hung up on the word "Pander?" Move on. You have your connotation, I have my denotation. I got your point loud and clear, but did you even get mine?

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nbouscal wrote:Like I said, the word heralds from a baser origin. Connotation is what's important. Ask a random person on the street what "pander" means...


Ask a random person who their governor is and they'll walk away from you into a McDonald's with their fresh copy of the Tribune or Us Magazine. Bad example.

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imsochady wrote:0MG, you are still hung up on the word "Pander?" Move on. You have your connotation, I have my denotation. I got your point loud and clear, but did you even get mine?


I don't see how responding to your assertion makes me "hung up," but whatever. If your point is that the English language is a living thing that changes frequently, then yes, I get your point. Honestly, it seems to me that your argument is rather akin to freaking out because someone uses the word 'most excellent' to describe a homosexual. "It means happy!" Not anymore, and similarly nor does pander mean pimp. As such, the design not only makes sense but is very humorous.

EDIT: Censor makes my argument worthless and laughable. Oh well.

nbouscal


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kylemittskus wrote:Ask a random person who their governor is and they'll walk away from you into a McDonald's with their fresh copy of the Tribune or Us Magazine. Bad example.


Eh, I'll agree, though in my defense I wasn't the one who originated the 'random person' argument, I was merely responding in kind. More important than what a random person thinks is that enough woot voters understand the modern connotation of the word to vote the shirt into the fog.

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nbouscal wrote:I don't see how responding to your assertion makes me "hung up," but whatever. If your point is that the English language is a living thing that changes frequently, then yes, I get your point. Honestly, it seems to me that your argument is rather akin to freaking out because someone uses the word 'most excellent' to describe a homosexual. "It means happy!" Not anymore, and similarly nor does pander mean pimp. As such, the design not only makes sense but is very humorous.

EDIT: Censor makes my argument worthless and laughable. Oh well.


I guess you didn't. This is my point, and I'll say it again...

This is a joke entry as the artist said so himself. There are other well-intentioned designs out there. Support them instead!

nbouscal


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imsochady wrote:I guess you didn't. This is my point, and I'll say it again...

This is a joke entry as the artist said so himself. There are other well-intentioned designs out there. Support them instead!


Eh, if that's your point I don't follow why you were attempting to argue the idea that the shirt didn't make sense. Regardless, I've already addressed that point. Just because the artist wasn't serious about the entry doesn't mean the entry lacks merit. I'd prefer to judge results rather than intent.

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nbouscal wrote:I'd prefer to judge results rather than intent.

Hah! I could see someone really being irate about this, but here stops our conversation. Nice talking to yah!

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imsochady wrote:Hah! I could see someone really being irate about this, but here stops our conversation. Nice talking to yah!


Likewise!

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AdderXYU wrote:It comes down to people voting for a shirt because it mocks bands who are only in it for the money. Even though the user created the shirt only because it would bring him money.

Hypocrisy at its apex.


Irony, yes, but it's not necessarily hypocrisy. Supporting this shirt isn't the same as supporting DF creating this shirt "only because it would bring him money". DF is basically mocking himself and that persona of "money before art". Mocking bands, mocking himself... pretty much the same thing. Meh.

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eHalcyon wrote:Irony, yes, but it's not necessarily hypocrisy. Supporting this shirt isn't the same as supporting DF creating this shirt "only because it would bring him money". DF is basically mocking himself and that persona of "money before art". Mocking bands, mocking himself... pretty much the same thing. Meh.


Again, I don't for a second think he's mocking himself. I think the joke is on the people who think that.

He's still putting out the same work, and will be making the same payout off it. And he'll do it again the next time. But it will be OK, because he jokes about how he does it.

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AdderXYU wrote:Again, I don't for a second think he's mocking himself. I think the joke is on the people who think that.

He's still putting out the same work, and will be making the same payout off it. And he'll do it again the next time. But it will be OK, because he jokes about how he does it.


Eh, fair enough.

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AdderXYU wrote:Again, I don't for a second think he's mocking himself. I think the joke is on the people who think that.

He's still putting out the same work, and will be making the same payout off it. And he'll do it again the next time. But it will be OK, because he jokes about how he does it.


I have to agree. I think this artist is capable of doing great work if he would branch out a bit. To me it doesn't seem like a "joke" as much as another way to capitalize on a previously successful design that got rejected. I'm never one to get involved in these sorts of matters, but it's hard to see a talented artist not utilize his talent.

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cmdixon2 wrote:I have to agree. I think this artist is capable of doing great work if he would branch out a bit. To me it doesn't seem like a "joke" as much as another way to capitalize on a previously successful design that got rejected. I'm never one to get involved in these sorts of matters, but it's hard to see a talented artist not utilize his talent.


I agree too, it's disappointing because DeadFrog is a great designer that is able to do a lot better than this. I know it won't be rejected because it IS an actual commentary on popular music, but if I wore this, no one would get it until I explained it. It's kind of upsetting because there are entries in the derby right now that took more time and effort to make, and are more creative, than this, and DeadFrog is more than capable of putting something like that out. Oh well..majority rules...that's what it all boils down to.

EDIT: By the way, I REALLY want to wear space crabs, cmdixon.


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cmdixon2 wrote:I have to agree. I think this artist is capable of doing great work if he would branch out a bit. To me it doesn't seem like a "joke" as much as another way to capitalize on a previously successful design that got rejected. I'm never one to get involved in these sorts of matters, but it's hard to see a talented artist not utilize his talent.


Well, I will say that I definitely would prefer Space Crabs printed over this one. At the same time though, since this design has around or more than 700 votes, I don't think it's fair to say DF isn't utilizing his talent. Yes, other of his submissions have had significantly more artistic integrity (the Dance sub, for example), but I still say that if you ignore the history behind it, this shirt is a very solid submission in terms of both humor and design.

And really, I don't buy Adder's assertion that DF is going to keep mocking himself as a way to keep making money. I think the difference in our opinions is, I don't see the reuse of the distressed/scratchy characters as mockery. The part that to me is clearly self-deprecating is the theme of the shirt; the idea that DF is pandering to the voters. For one thing, that theme did happen to fit pretty well into this derby, and for another, I doubt he'd try to (or manage to) pull it off again. Will he probably sell more shirts with repetitively distressed characters? Sure. But that's again no different than Ramy selling dozens of bunnies.

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cmdixon2 wrote:I have to agree. I think this artist is capable of doing great work if he would branch out a bit.

homeschoolwinner wrote:I agree too, it's disappointing because DeadFrog is a great designer that is able to do a lot better than this.


I think you'll see less and less of these types of comments. The more schlock that DeadFrog puts out, the more that's what he's becoming known by.

People will stop saying "he's a great artist, but..." or "he's got so much potential..."

And if that's what he wants, and that's what pays his bills, and he doesn't care about credibility or respect, then there's nothing anyone can do to stop the parade of empty calories he enters into the derbies.

Me? , I've basically stopped coming here, and give my money to DBH, TeeFury, Threadless, and Teextile. And this is a perfect example why.

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nbouscal wrote:Well, I will say that I definitely would prefer Space Crabs printed over this one. At the same time though, since this design has around or more than 700 votes, I don't think it's fair to say DF isn't utilizing his talent. Yes, other of his submissions have had significantly more artistic integrity (the Dance sub, for example), but I still say that if you ignore the history behind it, this shirt is a very solid submission in terms of both humor and design.

And really, I don't buy Adder's assertion that DF is going to keep mocking himself as a way to keep making money. I think the difference in our opinions is, I don't see the reuse of the distressed/scratchy characters as mockery. The part that to me is clearly self-deprecating is the theme of the shirt; the idea that DF is pandering to the voters. For one thing, that theme did happen to fit pretty well into this derby, and for another, I doubt he'd try to (or manage to) pull it off again. Will he probably sell more shirts with repetitively distressed characters? Sure. But that's again no different than Ramy selling dozens of bunnies.


He's not going to keep mocking himself. He is going to keep putting out cute scratchy pandas. Or other cute scratchy things. Which is what I meant. Just like he did on his first win. And his second. And likely his third. And they will all be literal pieces. Just like his first. And his second. And they will capitalize on people's nostalgia. And when people say "dude, you're better than this" he will post a funny little cartoon and everyone will say LOL you are a funny dude you are OK by me please keep submitting. It IS no different from Ramy selling dozens of bunnies. But you seem to think people LIKE Ramy. The difference is, Deadfrog has potential and refuses to use it. Ramy has no potential. It's almost more of a slap in the face that way.

And the "he's got 700+ votes so he is using his talent" argument is the weakest thing ever. Votes have NEVER related directly to talent. Unless you consider his "talent" an ability to snag votes. In which case there is no ARTISTIC talent being used. Voter pandering? Obviously. It's admitted in the design. But the amount of votes does not mean there is any quality here. It just means people like it. People have liked plenty of horrible shirts. Look at the Pi shirt up there with deadfrog.

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I just read about the history and everything behind this shirt, and I think it is absolutely hilarious. I would most definitely buy this shirt simply because of all the ridiculous stupid discussion about "artistic integrity" and the like. It's a friggin t-shirt, get over yourselves.

But really, even before I got the backstory on it, I thought it was a funny dig at the music industry in general and people "selling out to the man".

I think it really boils down to me wanting to see it win just so adderxyu can throw a big hissy fit. Adder, do you have a blog or anything that you rant on? I would LOVE to get an RSS subscription to THAT!

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cmdixon2 wrote:I have to agree. I think this artist is capable of doing great work if he would branch out a bit. To me it doesn't seem like a "joke" as much as another way to capitalize on a previously successful design that got rejected. I'm never one to get involved in these sorts of matters, but it's hard to see a talented artist not utilize his talent.


I totally agree. By the way, I love your Space Crabs shirt... aside from being awesome, it makes me wish/hope for a 1950's horror movie derby or something.

AdderXYU wrote:... And the "he's got 700+ votes so he is using his talent" argument is the weakest thing ever. Votes have NEVER related directly to talent. Unless you consider his "talent" an ability to snag votes. In which case there is no ARTISTIC talent being used. Voter pandering? Obviously. It's admitted in the design. But the amount of votes does not mean there is any quality here. It just means people like it. People have liked plenty of horrible shirts. Look at the Pi shirt up there with deadfrog.


Agreed. Especially considering the guy SAID he didn't have time to make a real submission, so he threw this together. In my opinion, saying DeadFrog is using his artistic talent in this shirt after seeing things like "The Destroyer of Worlds" is an insult to him.

Like I said earlier, between this shirt, the cowbell one, the pi one, and the other cutesy stuff that's in/around the fog, I've pretty much given up on this derby... basically just waiting until Thursday/Friday to see what the next one holds.

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Ommog wrote:Agreed. Especially considering the guy SAID he didn't have time to make a real submission, so he threw this together. In my opinion, saying DeadFrog is using his artistic talent in this shirt after seeing things like "The Destroyer of Worlds" is an insult to him.

Like I said earlier, between this shirt, the cowbell one, the pi one, and the other cutesy stuff that's in/around the fog, I've pretty much given up on this derby... basically just waiting until Thursday/Friday to see what the next one holds.


I want the Destroyer of Worlds!!!!

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philman14 wrote:It's a friggin t-shirt, get over yourselves.


It is just a tee shirt contest, and it isn't the end of the world, obviously. But it's frustrating for other artists and designers.


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not to be a 'tard, but I don't get the joke? everyone is saying they "get the joke" but ehh... I don't... anyone care to explain why there's so much controversy here? it just looks like a normal, everyday shirt to me...

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AdderXYU wrote:He's not going to keep mocking himself. He is going to keep putting out cute scratchy pandas. Or other cute scratchy things. Which is what I meant. Just like he did on his first win. And his second. And likely his third. And they will all be literal pieces. Just like his first. And his second. And they will capitalize on people's nostalgia. And when people say "dude, you're better than this" he will post a funny little cartoon and everyone will say LOL you are a funny dude you are OK by me please keep submitting. It IS no different from Ramy selling dozens of bunnies. But you seem to think people LIKE Ramy. The difference is, Deadfrog has potential and refuses to use it. Ramy has no potential. It's almost more of a slap in the face that way.

And the "he's got 700+ votes so he is using his talent" argument is the weakest thing ever. Votes have NEVER related directly to talent. Unless you consider his "talent" an ability to snag votes. In which case there is no ARTISTIC talent being used. Voter pandering? Obviously. It's admitted in the design. But the amount of votes does not mean there is any quality here. It just means people like it. People have liked plenty of horrible shirts. Look at the Pi shirt up there with deadfrog.


Alright, now I understand your point better. I don't necessarily agree with it; for one thing I think Ramy has more talent than you give him credit for regardless of the fact that his style doesn't match your tastes. Really the difference between our points of view comes down mainly to the fact that you hate this shirt, and I love it. That's a perfectly reasonable difference of opinion. Also, you're right that I didn't mean he was necessarily using artistic talent in terms of the quality or integrity of the art, but again, as a t-shirt artist, the appeal of the t-shirt to the consumer can't be disregarded. Would it be nice if DF submitted shirts with higher quality art? Sure. But that can't be the only criterion on which submissions are judged.

If it were up to me the winners this week would be the hippies shirt for excellent execution of the theme, space crabs for excellent artistry, and this one for excellent humor. Three very different qualities, but in my opinion all of value.

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Freaking ahhhhmazing!

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Isn't anyone just getting...tired of this...? Despite not being that huge a fan, I wish that the initial shirt had just printed so we could have buried this controversy three derbies ago and given so many other deserving entries a fighting chance at this sort of unrelenting attention.

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I've been here all of a week, but man you guys love to hot tamale about nothing.

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HotSoup19 wrote:I've been here all of a week, but man you guys love to hot tamale about nothing.


best censor ever.


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homeschoolwinner wrote:best censor ever.


I'd have to disagree. "SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF!" is way better. But yes, hot tamale is pretty effing funny :P

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nbouscal wrote:I'd have to disagree. "SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF!" is way better. But yes, hot tamale is pretty effing funny :P


They're both good.

SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF!, hot tamale!


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[quote postid="3299348" user="nbouscal"]
nbouscal, I just have to say, thank you for staying reasonable and admitting that while entries that take a little more work and have more "artistic integrity" (whoever decides what that is) would be preferable to cutesy dime-a-dozen gag shirts, WOOT is a BUSINESS. There's a reason that cutesy dime-a-dozen shirts are such. They sell. I think that DF really understands this and that's where the first pandas came from same with lion, witch, wardrobe, and the turtles. I don't know what adder finds to be so epicly important about silly t-shirts unless he is like others using money made from sites like this to live on, and then I feel for him a bit- but, really, spend more time promoting your design and saying why it is good rather than trashing on an intelligent artist who has the market figured out. ... ... wow that got off topic... I just wanted to say thank you for staying rational!


P.S. love the idea behind the pi shirt, hate the actual shirt along with others.

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schw9411 wrote:
nbouscal, I just have to say, thank you for staying reasonable and admitting that while entries that take a little more work and have more "artistic integrity" (whoever decides what that is) would be preferable to cutesy dime-a-dozen gag shirts, WOOT is a BUSINESS. There's a reason that cutesy dime-a-dozen shirts are such. They sell. I think that DF really understands this and that's where the first pandas came from same with lion, witch, wardrobe, and the turtles. I don't know what adder finds to be so epicly important about silly t-shirts unless he is like others using money made from sites like this to live on, and then I feel for him a bit- but, really, spend more time promoting your design and saying why it is good rather than trashing on an intelligent artist who has the market figured out. ... ... wow that got off topic... I just wanted to say thank you for staying rational!


P.S. love the idea behind the pi shirt, hate the actual shirt along with others.


You don't need to be effected by something to care about it. Plenty of people care about poverty and malaria and war in Africa, and they don't even live there!

Which is not to say that a shirt is the same, but it is to say that if I care about what art means, and what self-expression means, and I care about the designers who put the effort in every week to personify that, and I care that people should be paid for the quality of the work they put in to any job they do, then I should care about who wins the derby. And it follows that if you don't care who wins the derby, you also don't care about art or self expression or fair wages.

It is more than just a silly little shirt. It's a slap in the face of everyone who tries. It's the office slacker getting the raise. And while woot is not big enough to influence art (especially since they so rarely feature any!) it is one more symptom of the death of culture. If artistic worth can be summed up by marketability and "playing the game," then art is meaningless, and everything art stands for is dead. And believe you me, the creative arts are more important for humanity than retail will ever be. Retail just brings in money, and the world got on fine before without it. Creation nourishes the soul. People have created since the dawn of time.

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jabberjaws13 wrote:i seriously cannot believe adderxyu has not posted a fuming-standing-on-chair-screaming-at-screen rant about this....hopefully it is coming. highlight of my day sometimes....


HAHAHAHA!!!

I WAS JUST THINKING THE SAME THING!!

Oh he's out there... fists clenched, beads of sweat dripping off his beaklike nose. Wisps of steam coming from his ears... he's out there fingers twitching over the keyboard.

HAHAHA! I hope this goes to print because it is so deep in the shallow pool of woot.

Woots: twelve
Shirts: fifty five...wow.. I gotta get another hobby

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Bulnes wrote:HAHAHA!!

I just read a little more and who do you think popped up to drone on again

Oh... so funny... gotta go to bed now...


too funny... ah apcray the little lady may see my latest post... I'm so punished... Yay!

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nbouscal wrote:I'd have to disagree. "SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF!" is way better. But yes, hot tamale is pretty effing funny :P


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AdderXYU wrote:

And believe you me, the creative arts are more important for humanity than retail will ever be. Retail just brings in money, and the world got on fine before without it. Creation nourishes the soul. People have created since the dawn of time.


Ok, I was on board with a lot of your posts for this entry-I disagree with most of them, but I can see where you might have a leg to stand on. Here, I'm afraid, you're overly-romanticizing humanity and completely denying large portions of anthropological data. Don't get me wrong, I'm an artist myself but last time I checked "the world" has never got along without subsistence (of which retail is a part in our culture) while what we think of as art seems to have cropped up thousands of years later. The only thing I know of that people have "created since the dawn of time" is more people and, while many would argue that this is indeed a form of art in itself, I'm pretty sure that's not what we're discussing here. Perhaps you should stick to art criticism and leave the social sciences to others.

Additionally: the only reason I've mentioned this is that you argue that this shirt (and others like it) have little to no merit because they often serve to highlight the fact that Woot is a business. Arguing that business is less important to humanity than art, particularly on the basis of when these institutions came into being, is fundamentally flawed.

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Well, I was torn on this one, given that the quote that serves as its title was actually mine. I hated the original bears, but this did have a certain self-deprecating charm. I'd have been tempted, but it seems the vote totals have spared me the angst of indecision.

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I'm so mad this shirt didn't make the fog! I was finally going to buy a derby shirt again, but alas.

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anthrochick wrote:Arguing that business is less important to humanity than art, particularly on the basis of when these institutions came into being, is fundamentally flawed.


Your argument is terrible. Yes, commerce originated before art, but that doesn't actually mean anything. At all. We developed speech before we developed symbols and writing, woohoo. That says nothing about their respective levels of importance. Keep in mind when you're talking about humans who had trade but not art, you're looking at the range from 200,000 BC to 40,000 BC (or 70,000 BC if you count the stones from Blombos cave). Though the people who lived in that time period were H. sapiens, you cannot draw parallels between their society and ours, it just doesn't make any sense to. Further, your argument is like saying that Proxima Centauri is "more important" than Sol. Age and importance are not the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you to some extent. I just really hate when people use terrible arguments. :-)

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nbouscal wrote:Your argument is terrible. Yes, commerce originated before art, but that doesn't actually mean anything. At all. We developed speech before we developed symbols and writing, woohoo. That says nothing about their respective levels of importance. Keep in mind when you're talking about humans who had trade but not art, you're looking at the range from 200,000 BC to 40,000 BC (or 70,000 BC if you count the stones from Blombos cave). Though the people who lived in that time period were H. sapiens, you cannot draw parallels between their society and ours, it just doesn't make any sense to. Further, your argument is like saying that Proxima Centauri is "more important" than Sol. Age and importance are not the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you to some extent. I just really hate when people use terrible arguments. :-)


You misread her argument - she said basically what you said right in the piece you quoted - "Arguing that business is less important to humanity than art, particularly on the basis of when these institutions came into being, is fundamentally flawed." She said that it's FLAWED to argue the importance based on when they "came into being". The argument she was responding to was doing that, claiming that art came before commerce and therefore art is more important. She said that commerce actually came first, but it's stupid to argue based on that anyway.

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eHalcyon wrote:You misread her argument - she said basically what you said right in the piece you quoted - "Arguing that business is less important to humanity than art, particularly on the basis of when these institutions came into being, is fundamentally flawed." She said that it's FLAWED to argue the importance based on when they "came into being". The argument she was responding to was doing that, claiming that art came before commerce and therefore art is more important. She said that commerce actually came first, but it's stupid to argue based on that anyway.


Gotcha. You're right, I misunderstood. Though, in my defense, she could have been significantly clearer as to her point. I read "particularly on the basis of" as "particularly considering" as that had seemed to be the message of the rest of her entire post. My mistake.

I might also add that the post she was originally criticizing had very little to do with whether commerce or art came first, the only phrase to that effect being "People have created since the dawn of time," which was more of a generic ode to creativity than anything. Hence, my confusion.

anthrochick


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[quote postid="3300531" user="nbouscal"]Your argument is terrible. Yes, commerce originated before art, but that doesn't actually mean anything. At all. We developed speech before we developed symbols and writing, woohoo. That says nothing about their respective levels of importance. Keep in mind when you're talking about humans who had trade but not art, you're looking at the range from 200,000 BC to 40,000 BC (or 70,000 BC if you count the stones from Blombos cave). Though the people who lived in that time period were H. sapiens, you cannot draw parallels between their society and ours, it just doesn't make any sense to. Further, your argument is like saying that Proxima Centauri is "more important" than Sol. Age and importance are not the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you to some extent. I just really hate when people use terrible arguments. :-)[/quote

You definitely misread me, which is understandable: sometimes my phrasing is weird, plain and simple. As to the caliber of my argument, I believe my main point was as Halcyon described.

We can, and do, draw many parallels between the possible cultures of early H. sapiens and modern H. sapiens in an effort to better understand where we have come from, where we are, and where we could possibly be going. This is not to say that drawing these parallels implies our cultures are identical in any way, it is merely a tool used to increase our knowledge of ourselves.

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