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Shocking.....bunnies in costumes on asphalt. I'm not sure this could be less original.

mrwednesday wrote:Shocking.....bunnies in costumes on asphalt. I'm not sure this could be less original.

Agreed. Talk about mailing it in. Try a new cute animal. Its getting old.

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whoa..the devil bunny is really creepy!!!

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really not your best effort, ramy.

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I'd switch 'em if I were you. the good one on the right shoulder. Cuz bad can't be right! Right?

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Someone needs to boil these bunnies already.

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*Facepalm*

SpastasticNomadic wrote:Someone needs to boil these bunnies already.

That will probably be his next shirt. Then he won't have to think of the object to put his bunnies in either.

To be honest, I really don't like the placement on this shirt. It just looks really awkward and lies really close to a fairly active part of your torso, so I would suspect the details very much blurred during movement.

I think I will stay out of the originality debate, but just my two cents.

arwerther wrote:Agreed. Talk about mailing it in. Try a new cute animal. Its getting old.

I'm thinking the same thing.

ramyb, your skills are fantastic but this cute bunny thing is getting old for me ;D

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... gahh, it's too "up" on the shirt, placement isnt good and it's plain.

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Wow people are hating in your comments but i guarantee this finishes top 20

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Uggh!! My 8 year-old kids can draw better than this using ArtRage on an old computer. I cannot stand this cartoonish, baby stuff.

I have to admit, I find the angel bunny adorable. Devil bunny's body is cute but face is pretty scary. Not a shirt I would wear, but it's still very cute.

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I welcome the return of RAMYB's bunnies. Haven't seen them in a while.

erina7262 wrote:whoa..the devil bunny is really creepy!!!

CREEPY???? Come on!! Get out of your basement more often. It is NOT the slightest bit creepy. It is just very baby.

lol @the haters. And so the arguing and complaining begins already. Don't worry, it's still early in the week, hold off on getting your panties in a bunch until it may actually have a chance of winning. If it doesn't then you saved yourself some aggravation.

Good job ramyb, keep up the good work and controversy!

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Damn the cute bunnies...

mrwednesday wrote:Shocking.....bunnies in costumes on asphalt. I'm not sure this could be less original.

Especially because we just printed a shirt about the conscience.

I think the thing that nonplusses me the most is the really high placement, probably too high (and wide for that matter).

It just ain't your best effort Ramy.

KIDA26 wrote:Damn the cute bunnies...

Did somebody mention cute bunnies?

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watching the films just happened? This leapfrogged about 5 entries and hit the fog and the hotness before settling back down to where it is now. Must have picked up around 8 votes in the span of about a minute....

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YAWN

sreden wrote:I welcome the return of RAMYB's bunnies. Haven't seen them in a while.

Says someone with no purchases and who apparently forgot that the damn bunnies were just in the space derby.

iimiszvickie wrote:... gahh, it's too "up" on the shirt, placement isnt good and it's plain.

Where else would you suggest placement for images of things that usually sit on your shoulder???

piankeshaw wrote:Uggh!! My 8 year-old kids can draw better than this using ArtRage on an old computer. I cannot stand this cartoonish, baby stuff.

Right...why don't you have your kids make some derby entries. You can talk when you finish top 20, much less get a print. Otherwise, stop talking and making yourself look like an Dr. Clayton Forrester.

elwayman02 wrote:Right...why don't you have your kids make some derby entries. You can talk when you finish top 20, much less get a print. Otherwise, stop talking and making yourself look like an Dr. Clayton Forrester.

This is a little too much like the pressure derby winner.

I love it! Nothing wrong with cute stuff.

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Great concept. A little tired of the bunnies, though. Time to branch out, dude.

Yeah.. have to admit the bunnies are kinda old =/ I want to see something different. And I'm not sure why this one is so high up in votes atm.. I've seen quite a few good entries that are behind this one that I would much rather see nearer to the fog.

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I'm a little baffled as to how you can proudly post this.

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Now it's turned into some big joke for you hasn't it?
"Check this out, watch how many comments I'll get with this shirt!"

Woot! pays commission on shirts that produce traffic (and/or comments). I KNEW IT! Hence the bunnies or some sort of flames or cute animals in every derby since I can remember and forward until the internet crashes.

My past 9 random shirts have contained no less than 3 different bunny/cute animal designs. I have a feeling this will be in my next order.

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Where does everyone get the leet shirts to put their designs on? I don't like the shirt template.

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This concept has been done to death in one annoying way or another.

again
and again
and again

erina7262 wrote:whoa..the devil bunny is really creepy!!!

Reminds me of the game Killer bunnies. amazing game.

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I think this shirt would be 100% cooler if the bunnies were on the BACK of the shoulder blades.

sreden wrote:I welcome the return of RAMYB's bunnies. Haven't seen them in a while.

hahaah me too! I love it.. gmv

taraxgoesxboom wrote:I think this shirt would be 100% cooler if the bunnies were on the BACK of the shoulder blades.

i was thinking the same thing... specially since it'd get them off an awkward position for people that aren't flat there...

taraxgoesxboom wrote:I think this shirt would be 100% cooler if the bunnies were on the BACK of the shoulder blades.

hey.. that's a good idea. That makes the shirt a lot more buyable to me actually (probably for someone else)... as it is I think it's cute but I wouldn't buy it.

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Yipee! I can't wait to have my inner bunny conscience proudly display perched on top of my womanly orbs. It's like my right boob is evil and my left boob is an angel and in the middle there's an arm-a-gettin... some.

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I'm sorry dude, I usually have nothing against what you submit. But I have to admit I sighed when I saw bunnies again. You're a good artist my friend and I like some of what you do with a tongue in cheek kind of humor. But bunnies are a negative for me.

It'd have had my vote if they were space aliens or anything other creature that was less cute and possibly more intimidating.

screw what everyone else thinks.

i like this shirt, GMV.

hope it wins.

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So... uh, would these bunnies sit right on (or juuust above) the bewbie area?

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Here come the strange voting patterns...

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I think its alittle too much like evil-o-meter.

artulo wrote:This concept has been done to death in one annoying way or another.

again
and again
and again

But never with bunnies!

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besides for how ugly the shirt is, did you even give any thought to how the design would actually LOOK printed? They look quite small, and in the high corner of the shirt? they're going to be either shoulder or chest placement, and neither would be flattering.

mikenytola wrote:lol @the haters. And so the arguing and complaining begins already. Don't worry, it's still early in the week, hold off on getting your panties in a bunch until it may actually have a chance of winning. If it doesn't then you saved yourself some aggravation.

Good job ramyb, keep up the good work and controversy!

Not to jump all over you, since you are entitled to your opinion, but how is this good work? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious. It's not original at all (as artulo demonstrated) and it's yet another recycling of Ramyb's bunnies, which have gotten mind-numbingly repetitive.

I'm not a fan of the moaning and caterwauling that happens on this site so often, but in this case I just rolled my eyes when I saw the thumbnail.

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Well, I'm all for cute animals, but I have to agree that the placement on here wouldn't look good on a shirt.

You should draw something with galagos on it.

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I'll admit I kinda like cute stuff.

But the bunnies look to pokeman for my taste. And the placement would look weird on a girl who is even, um, slightly well endowed. And I think it would look strange on my nephew too. Since that's who I buy shirts for, I'm going to have to pass.

If the placement was better, I would probably overlook the similarity I see to known cartoons and get one for my nephew.

so, no vote from me this time. sorry.

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I love this! It's so cute and evil at the same time-if this wins i'm totally buying one.

omnitarian wrote:Especially because we just printed a shirt about the conscience.

I think the thing that nonplusses me the most is the really high placement, probably too high (and wide for that matter).

It just ain't your best effort Ramy.

Even if the super unoriginal concept doesn't get this design the axe, I think that that pressure derby winner should mean a "too similar" rejection.

You know I often defend you, Ramy, but I really can't defend this. You know people get on your case a lot - you could at least attempt to make your submissions of some quality. And as someone else already mentioned, the right side is traditionally the "good" side and the left side is "sinister".

Re: placement, I believe this is legal. I wore Robbie's Spring-ATRON today and the butterfly is right at the shoulder, which is where the bunnies would fall - not over the chest area. And for people questioning the shoulder placement, I'm sure it was intentional in allusion to the shoulder angel. Of course in this design they aren't on the correct sides.

Seriously though - this is a big BLAH for me. I don't mind the style so much as the lack of original concept.

eHalcyon wrote:
Re: placement, I believe this is legal. I wore Robbie's Spring-ATRON today and the butterfly is right at the shoulder, which is where the bunnies would fall - not over the chest area.

Well, if the shirt is printed how it appears, the bunnies will sit immediately above my bewbs and if I were a D, they'd be ON them. I'm not totally against this idea, seeing as how I'm a fan of a very popular Misfits shirt. Just sayin'.

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Oh. I would like to note that Ramy does appear to be listening to what's been said and has adjusted the way the bunny ears look. They look less like Pikachu's ears this time around and I'm actually glad to see them less pointy and more "flopsy".

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You gotta be kidding me. Dude, you have artistic talent. You can do better (concept, execution, effort). You just don't, but I wish you would.

I thought even your regular fans would realize this is not your best work (even compared to normal) and wouldn't propel it into the fog, but apparently not.

And as Adder noted, there's some serious irony in this shirt title.

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Seriously, can we get a downvote option, so stupid stuff like this will just die?

iimiszvickie wrote:... gahh, it's too "up" on the shirt, placement isnt good and it's plain.

Agreed very bad placement

albinoapple wrote:I'm a little baffled as to how you can proudly post this.

It's called selling out

Jestik wrote:really not your best effort, ramy.

really not saying much?

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Speaking as someone who's a little new around here... is there a back story to all this? I get the dislike that some have for cute stuff but the vitriol in this thread is eye-popping compared to any I've seen anywhere. I can't help but be deeply curious as to what's happened, because I feel like I've missed something.

billyok wrote:Speaking as someone who's a little new around here... is there a back story to all this? I get the dislike that some have for cute stuff but the vitriol in this thread is eye-popping compared to any I've seen anywhere. I can't help but be deeply curious as to what's happened, because I feel like I've missed something.

Long story short, Ramyb has made a LOT of bunnies. I think they're reproducing on his desktop, and he keeps slapping them on to shirts to get rid of them.

Slap a cute animal on every shirt and win the derby... I think its time to take a break from the derbies.

Jestik wrote:really not your best effort, ramy.

cleverconveyence wrote:really not saying much?

yeah, I know I was in "stating the obvious" mode. I don't get into a lot of venom and bashing, but really just wanted to let ramy know my disappointment.

As others have said, he is capable of a lot more. This submission just shows a huge lack of caring on his part, and is disrespectful to the artists that actually try.

REALLY, WOOT?

REALLY?!

You're going to delete comments about food and a burgeoning, possibly-interesting discussion about the cultural and ethical implications of eating different kinds of meat?

It's the only halfway-interesting thing this thread had going for it.

Gods, you tattlers are children (and people wonder why there is a need for someone like Adder)!

Oh, and "on-topic," since my earlier posts were clearly too subtle to understand: this design is terrible because it is badly drawn, unoriginal, and terribly placed. Also, sack-of-sand lumpy rabbits look like space pikachus' "rabbit" father. Dead-eyed, still.

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I feel that this is much like Deadfrog's panda shirt in that it's a really common template that someone's just inserted a new cute creature into. For instance, I've found this,this,this, and thison other websites, as well as a couple other takes on the shoulder angel and devil idea. Its just been done too much, even though its cute.

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Unlike most complainers, I actually like the cute bunnies this time around, but I really don't care for the concept. As others have said, the 'conscience' thing has been done to death already.

And, I dunno about the rest of you, but my conscience is a cricket in a top hat and spats.

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I hope this gets a nod, I want to buy one for my girlfriend!

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Let's all "follow our conscience" and stop voting for this shirt. That is, if *we* are. Here's my disappointment: I expect this from ramy. But, somewhere deep inside me, I have this barely living hope that woot will follow their own rules and reject this design because there are literally 4,000 shirts like this. But, I don't think this shirt will get rejected. And that is disappointing.

For those of you who are saying "I love it and I'm buying two!" Please explain why you think this shirt is good. If you're a woman, you won't have a shoulder angel, you'll have a bewb angel. And if you're a guy, you will have pokemon in costumes on your pectoral muscles. That should really get you the ladies.

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This is the most bizarre comments section. I called it by the way all the hate on the page but you'll fog and probably print. Mine won't get 50 this week.

i think i can never have enough cute bunny shirts... but i really hate the grey shirt :'( pass...

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I've been looking at this design since it was posted and I just can't believe that someone capable of such better work would resort to using a motif he has used over and over again in derby after derby. How do you grow if you don't take chances and try something different? I don't have the artistic ability of most of the designers here but I can and do appreciate the efforts of those who really put their talent on the line.

I wish those who are voting would see and reward some of the other entrants whose designs truly merit consideration because of their originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty.

sakleehop wrote:
I wish those who are voting would see and reward some of the other entrants whose designs truly merit consideration because of their originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty.

Woot isnt about originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty. It is about what my wife and I will wear, and this is a shirt that she WILL wear, like all the other shirts that him, Seki, Deadfrog, and others make that are similar. She likes cute animals, and that is what she will buy.

Yes the hardcore posters here hate these type of shirts, but guess what, THEY SELL THE BEST!

You can hate all you want, but between my wife and I, we own over 30 Woot shirts, and about half of them are from Seki and Ramyb.

There are only two shirts in this whole derby that my wife or I would wear, even if they were free, and this is one of them (the other being Two Heroes).

raevynpheather wrote:Woot isnt about originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty. It is about what my wife and I will wear, and this is a shirt that she WILL wear, like all the other shirts that him, Seki, Deadfrog, and others make that are similar. She likes cute animals, and that is what she will buy.

Yes the hardcore posters here hate these type of shirts, but guess what, THEY SELL THE BEST!

You can hate all you want, but between my wife and I, we own over 30 Woot shirts, and about half of them are from Seki and Ramyb.

There are only two shirts in this whole derby that my wife or I would wear, even if they were free, and this is one of them (the other being Two Heroes).

Seriously? Out of 181 shirts so far, you looked through every single entry? And of 181 shirts, even if they were ALL completely free, there are only TWO that you and your wife would wear? Sounds like you guys are a tad overly picky!

I mean, I guess it is one thing to make an argument that a certain type of shirt is what you like to spend your money on (which is understandable and relevant). I could completely understand that if you'd have just stopped right there with what you were saying. However, to go so far as to say you would only wear 2 out of 181 shirts entered (which you might not have even taken the time to look at) even if they were free, that's a little ridiculous, wouldn't you say?

raevynpheather wrote:Woot isnt about originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty. It is about what my wife and I will wear, and this is a shirt that she WILL wear, like all the other shirts that him, Seki, Deadfrog, and others make that are similar. She likes cute animals, and that is what she will buy.

Yes the hardcore posters here hate these type of shirts, but guess what, THEY SELL THE BEST!

You can hate all you want, but between my wife and I, we own over 30 Woot shirts, and about half of them are from Seki and Ramyb.

There are only two shirts in this whole derby that my wife or I would wear, even if they were free, and this is one of them (the other being Two Heroes).

Oh gosh! You guys need to spice up your lives and add some variety into the mix! It's like eating that grocery-bought frozen pizza night after night. Then one night, you go out and try one of those authentic Italian gourmet pizza and you love it, and then you realize you've been eating crud this whole time with those frozen pizzas. I suggest changing things up a bit, try something new. It won't hurt I tell yah.

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Similar idea already exist. This is a proven rejection reason.

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Where's the 2 reference? yeah there's 2 bunnies... but seriously... from what I'm noticing there has been way too much leeway given in this derby...

Just wanted to weigh in...

ramyb wrote:

I don't really see how this has to do with "two".

raevynpheather wrote:Woot isnt about originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty. It is about what my wife and I will wear, and this is a shirt that she WILL wear, like all the other shirts that him, Seki, Deadfrog, and others make that are similar. She likes cute animals, and that is what she will buy.

Yes the hardcore posters here hate these type of shirts, but guess what, THEY SELL THE BEST!

You can hate all you want, but between my wife and I, we own over 30 Woot shirts, and about half of them are from Seki and Ramyb.

There are only two shirts in this whole derby that my wife or I would wear, even if they were free, and this is one of them (the other being Two Heroes).

The "it sells well so shut up" argument has always bothered me only slightly less than the "you can't criticize unless you've made a *art form here* yourself. That doesn't make this design any more appealing to me, and I don't consider myself a "hardcore poster", whatever that is. I don't like this design and I'd prefer some other (yes, more artistic ones) to win. If they lost to this one, I would be sad and would cry into my cereal. Knowing that this sells well does nothing to change that.

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Not even commenting on anything else about this design, the "good" bunny on the left shoulder is just wrong and that alone should make you embarrassed to wear this shirt..........IMO of course.

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I do like some of ramy's designs, but this one doesn't do anything for me.

It's not something I would wear, and as much as I profess to love cute shirts, I am also disappointed by this cookie-cutter shirt.
I think ramy is a talented artist and I think he can do a lot better.

Sometimes his shirts just look like they were churned out of a mill.

This shirt is poorly done and not original or quirky at all. I come to woot to purchase shirts that you wouldn't really find in stores. And this could be hanging on a rack at Hot Topic...

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I love that evil bunny.

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When I first saw it, thought, too active on where it's position for ladies.

No thanks.

Not to mention a little plain.

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Seriously?

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Come on ramy, really?

You know I've liked some of your stuff in the past, but is this is beyond phoned in. Rabbits in costumes? Let's see, where has that been done before?

http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=7811

Hmmmmmm...barely even bothered to change the idea. You've had some good ideas ramy, but this is recycled and overdone so many times that if I squint right, it looks like 4 other designs you and seki have already done.

If this prints, and the great stuff below it misses out, like tgentry's birds, this'll be the first time I'll actually be extremely upset by the Derby. Unreal.

there needs to be a "no more bunnies" rule that goes along with the "no text" one. i liked the bunnies at first but this is major over kill.

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err.. would the placement look weird? like on girls?

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Why, oh why is this in the fog?

In spite of all the negativity this design has inspired, there are only three interests involved here and the rest of us would do as well trying to turn a hurricane. Ramy has no reason to stop doing these type of designs when they are obviously going to generate an easy payday. Woot isn't going to stop printing them because controversy guarantees more traffic and these designs sell. And the people who buy them aren't going to stop liking cute, safe designs that are just funny enough to make their friends giggle at them.

So why is this in the fog? Because no matter how much you may not like a storm, it's still going to blow.

grayehound wrote:Why, oh why is this in the fog?

In spite of all the negativity this design has inspired, there are only three interests involved here and the rest of us would do as well trying to turn a hurricane. Ramy has no reason to stop doing these type of designs when they are obviously going to generate an easy payday. Woot isn't going to stop printing them because controversy guarantees more traffic and these designs sell. And the people who buy them aren't going to stop liking cute, safe designs that are just funny enough to make their friends giggle at them.

So why is this in the fog? Because no matter how much you may not like a storm, it's still going to blow.

You can't stop a perfect storm, so to speak, but you sure as hell can put up hurricane barriers, tape up your windows, find shelter for items which might be susceptible to the storm, stock up on batteries and food, even save up for a personal external generator in case you lose power. If it's going to be particularly dangerous, you can evacuate and come back unharmed.

Go tell the Gulf Coast that it's not worth any time fighting a storm. Those of us who care about what we invest in will keep fighting to take whatever precautions necessary to stay protected. Saying "nothing can be done" is defeatist, and especially from a skilled and creative artist, incredibly sad.

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I don't blame Ramy in the bit for creating shirts such as this.

Sure, they're not my style, but if I had the skill to create cutesy designs on a weekly basis that would nab me a $1000 payday, plus extra cash whenever another one sells off the site, I'd be doing it in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY in these economic times.

Trust me, watching my bank account steadily grow would make me feel perfectly fine with putting up with streams of insulting comments from forum-dwellers who have nothing better to do with their lives than criticize T-Shirts on a website.

I live in Maryland. I'll round ramyb up and give him 1000 lashings with a wet noodle.

But really, I just have the same complaints. I've seen really awesome entries fall a few entries below the fog but not necessarily because of Ramyb. There are some awesome designs out there that I can think of that had just fallen behind 'cute' and cliche designs.

Don't get me wrong. I have a few Ramyb and Seki shirts. But the majority of them are not. I'm a girl, but this shirt doesn't appeal to me, chest placement or not. I like rabbits but these are just.. ugly to me, and I'm not one for the 'good shoulder bad shoulder' concept.

However I am pleased with the two tree designs in the fog so if this wins one of the places I won't be at a total loss.

raevynpheather wrote:Woot isnt about originality, interpretation of theme and artistic beauty. It is about what my wife and I will wear, and this is a shirt that she WILL wear, like all the other shirts that him, Seki, Deadfrog, and others make that are similar. She likes cute animals, and that is what she will buy.

Yes the hardcore posters here hate these type of shirts, but guess what, THEY SELL THE BEST!

You can hate all you want, but between my wife and I, we own over 30 Woot shirts, and about half of them are from Seki and Ramyb.

There are only two shirts in this whole derby that my wife or I would wear, even if they were free, and this is one of them (the other being Two Heroes).

So, according to you, McDonald's is the best restaurant in the world, because it sells the most?

YOU are what is wrong with america. YOU are the reason dance and karaoke shows dominate the airwaves. YOU are the reason Oprah has minions and can make careers for other talentless hacks. You are the reason "Wild Hogs" was a number one movie in the US at one time. YOU are the reason for the downfall of quality and the fast tracking f consumerism. Who cares if it is of any quality or tries something new, it won't make as much money if it doesn't have an animal on it.

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this shirt is awesome...i hope it wins so i can buy it...if it doesn't win, would u print it somewhere else so the people that really want it can buy?

gmv for sure...f the haters...

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First off, I'm not buying ANY shirt with stupid bunnies or people wearing goggles. Just not going to do it. EVER!

Second, this shirt is like last weeks winner, but with bunnies. No originality, plus bunnies. No sale for me.

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First off, I'm not buying ANY shirt with stupid bunnies or people wearing goggles. Just not going to do it. EVER!

Second, this shirt is like last weeks winner, but with bunnies. No originality, plus bunnies. No sale for me.

So how many thousands of dollars have you made drawing the same bunnies over and over again?

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no no you've got it backwards! The devil goes on the left (hence you throw salt over your left shoulder into the eyes of the devil if you happen to spill it.) I'll still get the shirt if able (love the design) but if we could switch bunnies to be on their correct sides, superstitiously-speaking, that would be awesome.

devil bunny says to argue while angel bunny says
to be nice

if you owned Mc Donalds would give up billions of dollars to make your hamburgers better
probably not because ceos of Mc Ds dont have to eat it
if you dont like big macs go get a whopper

if you dont like this shirt...
listen to the nice bunny and go somewhere else

i like the idea and would buy one


ps i also own the imposter shirt (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=7811) some one was complaining about and i like that one too

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I find it humorous that no matter how many people whine and complain, this shirt will still fog and will still sell a ton if it wins. It's obvious that the people who vote for these don't care about all the things you find so wrong with this shirt.

Save your sanity IMO.

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I don't understand why anybody bothers with complaining about his shirts anymore. You know it doesn't matter. He is above the rules.

This is totally unoriginal, we know that. Do Woot care? No!

HEDGEHOGS!!!!!!!! XD

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Why are there shadows behind the bunnies? The flames would get rid of the one on the left, and since the one on the right is in the dark, with stars behind it, it wouldn't really have any reason for shadow behind it either. A shadow implies a solid wall behind it, doesn't it? So, why are there shadows?

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Cute furry animals. Namely bunnies. The whole good and evil conscience thing.

If there were something remotely original about this maybe it would have my vote.

AdderXYU wrote:It's not called selling out if you never had integrity.

O.M.G. ~snark~ alert...~laughing~ Touche`

AdderXYU wrote:You can't stop a perfect storm, so to speak, but you sure as hell can put up hurricane barriers, tape up your windows, find shelter for items which might be susceptible to the storm, stock up on batteries and food, even save up for a personal external generator in case you lose power. If it's going to be particularly dangerous, you can evacuate and come back unharmed.

Go tell the Gulf Coast that it's not worth any time fighting a storm. Those of us who care about what we invest in will keep fighting to take whatever precautions necessary to stay protected. Saying "nothing can be done" is defeatist, and especially from a skilled and creative artist, incredibly sad.

Okay, I had to take a sec to shake off the shock at the unexpected compliment. So what you are saying is even though we can't stop some things from becoming successful that probably would be trashed in any other venue, what we can do is stuff back our gag reflex and stand up for artistic integrity by honestly criticizing talented artists for mailing in a half assed effort with nothing more than populist success in mind? I'd agree with that, but at the same time I acknowledge that if someone kept handing me raspberry tarts everytime I farted, I'd be sorely tempted to go eat some refried beans and not be crying too much if the stink offended a few folks.

serealport wrote:devil bunny says to argue while angel bunny says
to be nice

if you owned Mc Donalds would give up billions of dollars to make your hamburgers better
probably not because ceos of Mc Ds dont have to eat it
if you dont like big macs go get a whopper

if you dont like this shirt...
listen to the nice bunny and go somewhere else

i like the idea and would buy one


ps i also own the imposter shirt (http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=7811) some one was complaining about and i like that one too

That the opposite of Big Mac is Whopper to you saddens me. I can make better and bigger burgers cheaper at home.

Don't get me wrong, I am not above fast food. It's not about being above fast food. The issue is that right here, we have McDonalds entering the Great Burger Cookoff. There are tons of local bar and grilles submitting better work, and even occasionally the really pricey place downtown enters with a Kobe Beef offering with exotic garnishes and whathaveyou. And wooters are telling us that McDonalds deserves to win that cookoff. If I want to snag a Big Mac on the road, that is my prerogative, but there is no excuse to call it "the best" when you probably could find better if you drove a whole minute or two away from any given McDonalds.

I don't even understand how that is defensible.

AdderXYU wrote:That the opposite of Big Mac is Whopper to you saddens me. I can make better and bigger burgers cheaper at home.

Don't get me wrong, I am not above fast food. It's not about being above fast food. The issue is that right here, we have McDonalds entering the Great Burger Cookoff. There are tons of local bar and grilles submitting better work, and even occasionally the really pricey place downtown enters with a Kobe Beef offering with exotic garnishes and whathaveyou. And wooters are telling us that McDonalds deserves to win that cookoff. If I want to snag a Big Mac on the road, that is my prerogative, but there is no excuse to call it "the best" when you probably could find better if you drove a whole minute or two away from any given McDonalds.

I don't even understand how that is defensible.

Your analogy makes sense if we are talking about a contest judged by professionals seeking the best burger. That's not woot. Woot is asking people what burger they like. When most people's frame of reference is fast food, those big macs, no matter how rancid they are, are likely to win.

grayehound wrote:Okay, I had to take a sec to shake off the shock at the unexpected compliment. So what you are saying is even though we can't stop some things from becoming successful that probably would be trashed in any other venue, what we can do is stuff back our gag reflex and stand up for artistic integrity by honestly criticizing talented artists for mailing in a half assed effort with nothing more than populist success in mind? I'd agree with that, but at the same time I acknowledge that if someone kept handing me raspberry tarts everytime I farted, I'd be sorely tempted to go eat some refried beans and not be crying too much if the stink offended a few folks.

In this particular case, I think the main disagreement is I'm not particularly convinced the "artist" is that "talented". I know you know your way around the shirt webs, so I'll use Radiomode as an example here. I think he has some amazing work and a creative mind, and I'm excited to see his work because I know there is a solid chance I will appreciate it, even if I don't wish to wear it. 'Round here, he's had some pretty big mis-steps with use of stock elements, though. It makes me sad that wooters now equate him with a cheat instead of knowing what I've seen as the more prevalent creative side. I feel you'd know what I mean there, since I'm sure you're familiar with at least some of his other work. But at the same time, I understand why it's happened, and can't really fault anyone, because the situations made me a bit frustrated too. And it starts calling everything else into question.

The person in question here, though, has pretty much dialed it in from the start, and while I've been critical of woot's decline for far longer than he's been around, the one-two punch of woot offering kids sizes and he and his girlfriend offering shirts only a kid could appreciate has taken "the fight" to a whole new low. Because it's no longer just me, and it's no longer just a handful of people... I'd say most regular wooters are feeling the effect now, even if they want to be even-handed about it. It's gotten to be too much. To use your metaphor, you may be loaded with tarts, but you're not in your house. It's more like you're in a coffee shop. The staff doesn't want to say anything, because people keep buying you tarts. But I think it's understandable that the people who consider that cafe to be their regular haunt would get pretty ticked if Fart Man came in every day for free pastries while ruining their experience as well. It's understandable they'd want you gone forever, and likely want every last person who has been providing you pastry kicked with a vengeance also. You might be benefiting from making the rest miserable. But it doesn't mean anyone should respect you for it.

The problem, to me, is that every shirt site I've been to has its own flavor. Threadless has threadless style tees, DBH has DBH tees, lord knows what goes through Shirtfight's head, but they have their own tastes. Uneetee doesn't know where to fit in but their catalog is still pretty coherent. Teextile tries to be diverse, but even so you can get a feel for what sorts of things they might print. And NONE of them have the sort of quality and concept issues woot's contest has. That's where the problem is, for me. I love the idea of diversity, which is why I'm so against where the derby normally goes. I am all for shirts printing that I am not personally going to wear. But I think that allowing work that doesn't show inspiration to win reliably hurts woot at it's core, and it hurts whatever artist network it is trying to foster. I don't see people at DBH or Threadless seething over what gets printed very often, unless it's two 4chan memes slapped together. Only woot has that disconnect. Other sites may print horrible, uninspired work for the sake of snagging money, but only woot allows it to print through votes.

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gmv.

I'm here for the cutesy shirts...AND I VOTE.

And I buy stuff.

AdderXYU wrote:So Threadless is somehow less shrewd than Woot?

not to get too far from the rant but the main tee on threadless as of five min ago is a shirt about two very trite things being put together on a shirt or may be taking a stranded idea and placing cute animals in it sound a lot like the shirt of this argument and im not very familiar with how threadless operates so they may or may not be as shrewd

serealport wrote:not to get too far from the rant but the main tee on threadless as of five min ago is a shirt about two very trite things being put together on a shirt or may be taking a stranded idea and placing cute animals in it sound a lot like the shirt of this argument and im not very familiar with how threadless operates so they may or may not be as shrewd

Threadless has one shirt. Duly noted.

AdderXYU wrote:
I'll use Radiomode as an example here.

I am aware of some of what happened which I agree is sad. I've been a fan of radiomode for some time (and still am) and have a couple of his threadless shirts.

AdderXYU wrote:
But I think it's understandable that the people who consider that cafe to be their regular haunt would get pretty ticked if Fart Man came in every day for free pastries while ruining their experience as well. It's understandable they'd want you gone forever, and likely want every last person who has been providing you pastry kicked with a vengeance also. You might be benefiting from making the rest miserable. But it doesn't mean anyone should respect you for it.

Touché. Point conceded, and thanks for the laugh.

AdderXYU wrote:
I love the idea of diversity, which is why I'm so against where the derby normally goes. I am all for shirts printing that I am not personally going to wear. But I think that allowing work that doesn't show inspiration to win reliably hurts woot at it's core, and it hurts whatever artist network it is trying to foster. I don't see people at DBH or Threadless seething over what gets printed very often, unless it's two 4chan memes slapped together. Only woot has that disconnect. Other sites may print horrible, uninspired work for the sake of snagging money, but only woot allows it to print through votes.

Well, I think that is the crux of our issue, if there really is an issue between us. I'm more than willing to let woot be what it is....I am very curious, though, about what I'm missing from the past. What was woot before that it has declined to what it is now?

I knew when I started submitting designs that the biggest hurdle that I might need to be overcome to get a print is the one I refuse to jump...playing to the crowd. Whether or not it's true I've never thought woot cares about what they print, they just print what the most people like. Given that perspective I have no problem calling designs scaffolding but at the same time I think if woot cared what they printed they would insert themselves in the selection process. Since they take a hands-off approach, I think crying over what is produced is a waste of time. So when you say "allowing work that doesn't show inspiration to win reliably hurts woot at it's core", well, I have to wonder if that core was ever where you seemed to think it was.

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everybody's so mad at this. i don't give a scaffolding, i like it. i voted for it, and i'll buy it if and when it wins. there are two things on a woot shirt that will get me to buy it every time: bunnies and space-related things. 3/5 shirts i've bought from woot are set in space.

vote for what you like, don't vote for what you don't. don't tear someone's submission apart simply because they like something you don't.

draconic wrote:everybody's so mad at this. i don't give a scaffolding, i like it. i voted for it, and i'll buy it if and when it wins. there are two things on a woot shirt that will get me to buy it every time: bunnies and space-related things. 3/5 shirts i've bought from woot are set in space.

vote for what you like, don't vote for what you don't. don't tear someone's submission apart simply because they like something you don't.

You like space bunnies?

"I like it" is NEVER ENOUGH, and with a grand on the line, Thousand-dollar designs should be winning. I hope above hope you put more thought into more important votes.

grayehound wrote:Your analogy makes sense if we are talking about a contest judged by professionals seeking the best burger. That's not woot. Woot is asking people what burger they like. When most people's frame of reference is fast food, those big macs, no matter how rancid they are, are likely to win.

Adder's analogy never implied that the judges were professionals. What you just typed makes no sense at all. Have you ever actually HAD burger before?

AdderXYU wrote:You like space bunnies?

"I like it" is NEVER ENOUGH, and with a grand on the line, Thousand-dollar designs should be winning. I hope above hope you put more thought into more important votes.

Amen.

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Poor placement of an unoriginal design = in the fog.

I r confused.

meh

derivative

it'll probably get printed too

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If we're gonna have cute in the fog, why oh why can't it be the ice cream cones?

=(

binkdrop wrote:However, to go so far as to say you would only wear 2 out of 181 shirts entered (which you might not have even taken the time to look at) even if they were free, that's a little ridiculous, wouldn't you say?

I would only wear maybe 3 shirts out of this derby even if they were free and one of them only in select company sorry mate but I call it like I see it and most of these shirts I wouldn't buy (my wardrobe is w00t shirts xD)

AdderXYU wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am not above fast food. It's not about being above fast food. The issue is that right here, we have McDonalds entering the Great Burger Cookoff. There are tons of local bar and grilles submitting better work, and even occasionally the really pricey place downtown enters with a Kobe Beef offering with exotic garnishes and whathaveyou. And wooters are telling us that McDonalds deserves to win that cookoff. If I want to snag a Big Mac on the road, that is my prerogative, but there is no excuse to call it "the best" when you probably could find better if you drove a whole minute or two away from any given McDonalds.

I don't even understand how that is defensible.

I have two ideas. One is that lots of people just want to be cute and not mature and arty. That's just how they are.

Two is that instead of burgers this is a french fry competition. McDonalds has their fries competing against garlic fries, thick cut, and chili cheese fries. Yet McDonalds' fries are formulated to be tasty, addictive, and bring back comfortable memories. So people often want those because they have to be in the right mood for the other kinds.

kylemittskus wrote:Says someone with no purchases and who apparently forgot that the damn bunnies were just in the space derby.

I thought woot didn't let you vote unless you had purchases?
I like the bunnies too! and I've been buying woot shirts since shirt.woot began.

This isn't directed to anyone in particular, but it's annoying when people get all pissy because their shirts don't win. Cry me a river and get over it. I don't Mitchell and moan when I don't see a shirt I like for weeks. I just deal... like an adult. If you're putting so much work into things and they're not winning, submit it somewhere else. obviously, you're in the wrong competitions with the wrong audience if it keeps happening. Don't blame it on the person winning. hackneyed or not, you just have to deal. bitching only makes the rest of us annoyed.

AdderXYU wrote:
"I like it" is NEVER ENOUGH, and with a grand on the line, Thousand-dollar designs should be winning. I hope above hope you put more thought into more important votes.

to me, it is. to you, it's not. i personally do not enter the derbies, and have no chance at the thousand dollars, so i vote for what i like, what i want to buy.

you, and everyone else with a problem with this shirt, enter the derbies and are frustrated to see stuff like this win. it's understandable, but you can't stop this guy from entering simply because he knows what people want.

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Cut it out with the bunnies/ Pikachu's already.

midflinx wrote:
Two is that instead of burgers this is a french fry competition. McDonalds has their fries competing against garlic fries, thick cut, and chili cheese fries. Yet McDonalds' fries are formulated to be tasty, addictive, and bring back comfortable memories. So people often want those because they have to be in the right mood for the other kinds.

So wooters who vote for shirts like this are desperately clinging to their childhood? I think I finally understand, now.

Oh, wait, no I don't, because a shirt can be cute AND be thought out well (like dsladek's two peas in a pod design).

I bought 24 shirts from woot last year starting in February of 08. I've bought 2 this year, and one was for a friend. I've bought way more shirts from the likes of teefury and cameesa for all the reasons adder has painstakingly pointed out. I don't know where all these people going through midlife crises voting for these derivative, poorly thought out designs came from, but it's getting kind of old (pun very intended).

GigliWasAGoodMovie wrote:
Sure, they're not my style, but if I had the skill to create cutesy designs on a weekly basis that would nab me a $1000 payday, plus extra cash whenever another one sells off the site, I'd be doing it in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY in these economic times.

There's something to be said for self respect. If I were Ramy, I'd be embarrassed.

draconic wrote:to me, it is. to you, it's not. i personally do not enter the derbies, and have no chance at the thousand dollars, so i vote for what i like, what i want to buy.

you, and everyone else with a problem with this shirt, enter the derbies and are frustrated to see stuff like this win. it's understandable, but you can't stop this guy from entering simply because he knows what people want.

I don't enter the derbies. I sincerely doubt that all the people who have voiced an issue with this design are all t-shirt artists as well.

I just think this is a bad design. Unoriginal, boring, and cute only in a cloying kind of way. So what if it's "what the people want"? I'm aware that'll make this design popular, but it doesn't make its impending victory in this derby any more palatable to me.

binkdrop wrote:Seriously? Out of 181 shirts so far, you looked through every single entry? And of 181 shirts, even if they were ALL completely free, there are only TWO that you and your wife would wear? Sounds like you guys are a tad overly picky!

to go so far as to say you would only wear 2 out of 181 shirts entered (which you might not have even taken the time to look at) even if they were free, that's a little ridiculous, wouldn't you say?

Mrspott wrote:I would only wear maybe 3 shirts out of this derby even if they were free and one of them only in select company sorry mate but I call it like I see it and most of these shirts I wouldn't buy (my wardrobe is w00t shirts xD)

I'd have to say I would only wear two out of this derby (Drakxxx and Travis Gentry's). Yes, even if they were free to me. Just my personal taste, I don't know why that's hard to believe.

There are others that I appreciate (BootsBoots and theinfinityloop) but wouldn't wear - just not my specific style.

But even at that, 4 out of 181 is NOT a good percentage

stargirl6878 wrote:this shirt is awesome...i hope it wins so i can buy it...if it doesn't win, would u print it somewhere else so the people that really want it can buy?

gmv for sure...f the haters...

IF it doesn't win?

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After reading through these comments, I'm surprised (and disappointed) that this thing is still in the fog.

Altheahelaine wrote:IF it doesn't win?

The only way this doesn't win is if Woot rejects it for similarity to other shirts. I don't think that's happening.

jmmbell1987 wrote:The only way this doesn't win is if Woot rejects it for similarity to other shirts. I don't think that's happening.

Right, which is why my If was capitalized. I was trying to point out how it's not going to get rejected. :P

Altheahelaine wrote:Right, which is why my If was capitalized. I was trying to point out how it's not going to get rejected. :P

I was agreeing with you. My bad for not being clearer.

cantstopthesignal wrote:I'd have to say I would only wear two out of this derby (Drakxxx and Travis Gentry's). Yes, even if they were free to me. Just my personal taste, I don't know why that's hard to believe.

There are others that I appreciate (BootsBoots and theinfinityloop) but wouldn't wear - just not my specific style.

But even at that, 4 out of 181 is NOT a good percentage

You've looked at all of them? I've look at all of them and even I would wear more than that. I mean it's like 10 which still isn't good but 4, you're picky man.

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Haha really? I check back in on the derby after a couple of months, assuming everything that was annoying before has been magically fixed...and the fog consists of the standard bunny/rats in costumes, an obviously unprintable (at least until now) shirt, and 2 shirts that are identical. Perfect.

LTU99 wrote:Haha really? I check back in on the derby after a couple of months, assuming everything that was annoying before has been magically fixed...and the fog consists of the standard bunny/rats in costumes, an obviously unprintable (at least until now) shirt, and 2 shirts that are identical. Perfect.

Seems that half of woot is entranced by the burlap sack bunnies and the other half is tearing their hair out over it.

My percentages may be screwed. Anyone can make up numbers! But you're not alone in being tired of the same junk on different days.

I've noticed that Ramyb has more then 25 woots, I wonder what kind of shirts he buys. (Besides his own?)

midflinx wrote:I have two ideas. One is that lots of people just want to be cute and not mature and arty. That's just how they are.

Two is that instead of burgers this is a french fry competition. McDonalds has their fries competing against garlic fries, thick cut, and chili cheese fries. Yet McDonalds' fries are formulated to be tasty, addictive, and bring back comfortable memories. So people often want those because they have to be in the right mood for the other kinds.

1) There are other cuter entries. They are not in the fog.

2) Garlic Fries and Chili Cheese Fries are still better. These are undeniable things. McDonalds Fries might garner some nostalgia votes, but in no fair fight would they win against something fresh, hand-cut, and flavourful

draconic wrote:to me, it is. to you, it's not. i personally do not enter the derbies, and have no chance at the thousand dollars, so i vote for what i like, what i want to buy.

you, and everyone else with a problem with this shirt, enter the derbies and are frustrated to see stuff like this win. it's understandable, but you can't stop this guy from entering simply because he knows what people want.

In actuality, plenty of people who never enter the derbies have problems with this shirt.

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In addition to having been done several times already, this shirt also has seven colors.

white
gray
yellow
orange
red
maroon
brown

artulo wrote:In addition to having been done several times already, this shirt also has seven colors.

white
gray
yellow
orange
red
maroon
brown

I count seven as well.

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Similar design already exist. I'm just sayin'...;)

Andy47240 wrote:Similar design already exist. I'm just sayin'...;)

kylemittskus wrote:I count seven as well.

I count six - white, grey, yellow, orange, red, dark brown.

I'm much more concerned about the too wide/high placement. It very clearly goes higher than the collar and is really pushin' it on the sleeves.

omnitarian wrote:I count six - white, grey, yellow, orange, red, dark brown.

I'm much more concerned about the too wide/high placement. It very clearly goes higher than the collar and is really pushin' it on the sleeves.

I think you're right. I now count six. But since I can't count...

However, I agree with your second point. Apparently, woot has said F all the rules this derby. This plus the cgi shirt with no connection to two whatsoever are not within the printing rules at all.

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It's seven colors. No tricks, halftoning, AA wierdness, etc.

artulo wrote:It's seven colors. No tricks, halftoning, AA wierdness, etc.

Where's the bluish color (second from the bottom)?

artulo wrote:It's seven colors. No tricks, halftoning, AA wierdness, etc.

I must just be horrible at counting colors in a picture because every time someone says something I always have to ask where, but...where is that brown color on the image?

kylemittskus wrote:Where's the bluish color (second from the bottom)?

I think that one is the white bunny's shadow.

binkdrop wrote:I must just be horrible at counting colors in a picture because every time someone says something I always have to ask where, but...where is that brown color on the image?

That's the shadow on the red devil.

binkdrop wrote:I think that one is the white bunny's shadow.

So the bottom color then?

.

kylemittskus wrote:So the bottom color then?

.

Oh, well I was asking about that bottom most color too. It is brown, right? Pfft I dunno anymore. :d

binkdrop wrote:Oh, well I was asking about that bottom most color too. It is brown, right? Pfft I dunno anymore. :d

Artulo edited the picture because he's the s***! And, he's absolutely correct.

kylemittskus wrote:Where's the bluish color (second from the bottom)?

binkdrop wrote:I must just be horrible at counting colors in a picture because every time someone says something I always have to ask where, but...where is that brown color on the image?

I updated the pic with where the colors are. The brown color is an outline on the white bunny.

artulo wrote:I updated the pic with where the colors are. The brown color is an outline on the white bunny.

Oh I see now, thanks Artulo. It was such a tiny little bit of brown I wasn't sure if it was actually brown or a shadow or my eyes just being crazy.

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Awesome, now we have two shirts in the fog with too many colors. On top of that, ramy managed to break not one but two rules, considering krisrobinson's print (and the countless other shirts/keychains/etc that should have earned that shirt a rejection in the first place). If woot doesn't reject this nonsense, I think all of the artists should just have a field day next derby. 6 colors? Nah, use thirty. Throw in some gradients while you're at it. Oh, and feel free to directly copy themes from other shirts. Hell, trace a copyrighted picture while you're at it, why not. Ooh, and let's submit some belt print designs, they'll be fine too.

nbouscal wrote:... Ooh, and let's submit some belt print designs, they'll be fine too...

Pfft. For the next derby I'm going to put my design on a Hoodie. :d

Edit: Hopefully someone will come 'round again to either reject or just explain some of the things we've all been discussing.

nbouscal wrote:Awesome, now we have two shirts in the fog with too many colors. On top of that, ramy managed to break not one but two rules, considering krisrobinson's print (and the countless other shirts/keychains/etc that should have earned that shirt a rejection in the first place). If woot doesn't reject this nonsense, I think all of the artists should just have a field day next derby. 6 colors? Nah, use thirty. Throw in some gradients while you're at it. Oh, and feel free to directly copy themes from other shirts. Hell, trace a copyrighted picture while you're at it, why not. Ooh, and let's submit some belt print designs, they'll be fine too.

about four months ago, wooters were constantly complaining that ramyoku were repeatedly skirting the rules and avoiding rejection, showcasing ambiguous preferential treatment for those two, because their shirts performed well.

anyone care to argue against this now?

ramyb broke the rules with his space bunny entry. he said that he knows what woot can print because hes been printed so many times before. to me that reads as "the rules dont apply to me" and also a condescending tone in that hes better than us because hes been printed. or more specifically, being printed grants him special knowledge and privileges not available to the rest of us. who knows, maybe it does. but if it does, is that right?

why does he get to break the rules? if ramyb is not vote rigging, (which i am still skeptical) this is most certainly cheating.

i am going to tattle on this shirt. i am going to say

"more than seven colors and similar shirts exist elsewhere"

it is my sincere hope that EVERYONE who has a problem with this shirt tattle on it. and post here that you tattled. i want to see how many wooters it takes pointing out an obvious violation of the rules it takes to get ramyb treated like the rest of us.

marmls2m wrote:about four months ago, wooters were constantly complaining that ramyoku were repeatedly skirting the rules and avoiding rejection, showcasing ambiguous preferential treatment for those two, because their shirts performed well.

anyone care to argue against this now?

ramyb broke the rules with his space bunny entry. he said that he knows what woot can print because hes been printed so many times before. to me that reads as "the rules dont apply to me" and also a condescending tone in that hes better than us because hes been printed. or more specifically, being printed grants him special knowledge and privileges not available to the rest of us. who knows, maybe it does. but if it does, is that right?

why does he get to break the rules? if ramyb is not vote rigging, (which i am still skeptical) this is most certainly cheating.

i am going to tattle on this shirt. i am going to say

"more than seven colors and similar shirts exist elsewhere"

it is my sincere hope that EVERYONE who has a problem with this shirt tattle on it. and post here that you tattled. i want to see how many wooters it takes pointing out an obvious violation of the rules it takes to get ramyb treated like the rest of us.

I approve of this message

But remember, woot ALSO DIDNT REJECT Sekiyoku's Pointillist Fox, despite it having a VERY SOLID BACKDROP and NOT USING DOTS OR DASHES BUT VERY LONG LINES. Two things that are totally outside the tenets of the theme. It was tattled on relentlessly. And woot's response was to mock us for caring.

Because woot doesn't care

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I wish it were printed a little lower, or better yet on the back. But those back shirts never win do they?

marmls2m wrote:it is my sincere hope that EVERYONE who has a problem with this shirt tattle on it. and post here that you tattled. i want to see how many wooters it takes pointing out an obvious violation of the rules it takes to get ramyb treated like the rest of us.

I tattled. I wrote that this has more than six colors, that it was outside the printable area, and that it has been done to death.

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Sorry to rain on this little angry parade that's happening here, but the design is actually six colors.

here's a zoomed in closeup of the area in question. There is no mysterious seventh brown color, unfortunately. I will be submitting my print-ready file to woot ASAP so that the production team can review it, but I can assure you that it is within the limits set for every designer in the derby That is, of course, saying nothing of the other design in the fog which is clearly many more than 6 colors and has yet to be rejected. And while I'm sure you can convince yourself of one of many other reasons that this should be rejected (maybe the bunny's ears look like the letter V and the halo is an O, or there are halftones so small that they blend into the shirt color and are invisible to the naked eye, etc.), I hope that all the rational people here will see that this design falls well within the rules of the derby.

ramyb wrote:

I guess it's just the gold against the purple that makes it look brown when it's sized way down. Odd how that works!

I've tattled on this too, and I'm gonna have to cite the example made of Deadfrogs Panda's. It should be rejected because there are a lot of shirts with this same theme and style. I don't know about the seven colors...I don't get what it is I'm supposed to be seeing in this close up image??? The placement is out side of the woot templates printable area...but I've seen several frequently printed artists get away with this, while newbies get rejected. I've seen several of these derbies now and RamyB's major 'tude never fails to ignite the controversy.

spanishmel wrote: I've seen several of these derbies now and RamyB's major 'tude never fails to ignite the controversy.

As I recall, I only made one comment on this thread prior to the one with the closeup (which was long after the "controversy" had started), which was this one:

ramyb wrote:

So I'm not sure why you are under the impression that my attitude has anything to do with it. In fact, I have taken to not responding for quite a while now, and before that I hadn't posted for several months. Regardless though, if someone is going to try to Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) in my face repeatedly and make false accusations, I reserve the right to be less than sweet when proving them wrong. I've been dealing with this total hell of a response from the same people on every design I submit, regardless of what it is, for long enough that I really don't care too much what they have left to say.

ramyb wrote: I've been dealing with this total hell of a response from the same people on every design I submit, regardless of what it is, for long enough that I really don't care too much what they have left to say.

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

You only stoke the fire when you post god-awful designs, which admittedly is a majority of your designs. Such as interplanetary bunnies and your steampunk dog design, and this design. Have the vocal critics turned up on your other entry this derby? While not admitting that that design is respectable, it is certainly better than this....

Your attitude comes across when you say as you've said in the interplanetary bunnies thread that you are admittedly breaking the rules because you "know better than we do" or when you submit designs such as your mystery derby design which don't get rejected as they should because you get preferential treatment around here, or on your steampunk butterfly entry, when you obviously exceeded the bound of the printable area, but still didn't get rejected.

Then you have the nerve to get on these boards and talk about how you are on topic, not breaking the rules, as evidenced by the fact that you haven't been rejected, and get all hot and bothered when people, such as spanishmel, call you out for saying the things you say, and doing the things you do.

If it's so painful for you to endure these comments then just leave and go haunt some other site or contest for which there is a cash prize involved. We detractors will throw a party for you. Literally, we will throw a party. But don't be surprised if we don't invite you.

ramyb wrote:So I'm not sure why you are under the impression that my attitude has anything to do with it. In fact, I have taken to not responding for quite a while now, and before that I hadn't posted for several months. Regardless though, if someone is going to try to Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) in my face repeatedly and make false accusations, I reserve the right to be less than sweet when proving them wrong. I've been dealing with this total hell of a response from the same people on every design I submit, regardless of what it is, for long enough that I really don't care too much what they have left to say.

I can't say I blame you for making an easy buck, but I have lost of lot of respect for you for even posting this .

ramyb wrote:snip

I've been dealing with this total hell of a response from the same people on every design I submit, regardless of what it is, for long enough that I really don't care too much what they have left to say.

Same argument from the same people because its the same design. With the same issues.

RamyB wrote:
And on an unrelated note, I know I've said several times that I'd try new things, I want to state this as more of a long-term commitment instead of a one-week promise. I won't say that I'm going to abandon this style, because it's one that I like and one that I enjoy doing, but there's a time and a place for it and I'm starting to realize that (a bit late, I know, but at least the revelation has come). Up to this point, I just assumed that there was a vocal group who disliked the style and I was able to just ignore their concerns because they were generally voiced in extremely nasty and vicious posts, but it's becoming clear that it's overdone to the point that people who previously enjoyed the style are growing to despise it. I'm going to (at least try) to start doing my part to increasing the variety on woot in the derby. Hopefully. Just get on my case if I don't follow through (although I'm sure that won't be a problem)

bold and underline added for emphasis

At this point, I honestly hope to God this wins just to piss everyone off. Good lord.

LTU99 wrote:Haha really? I check back in on the derby after a couple of months, assuming everything that was annoying before has been magically fixed...and the fog consists of the standard bunny/rats in costumes, an obviously unprintable (at least until now) shirt, and 2 shirts that are identical. Perfect.

Absolutely perfect! A perfect summation of what the Woot Derbies have become. Sad.

ramyb wrote:Blah blah blah

So we stand corrected on the seven colors... but we're all correct that this shirt is based on an hackneyed idea and overall, is just a terrible effort, right?

nato2010 wrote:I can't say I blame you for making an easy buck, but I have lost of lot of respect for you for even posting this .

There are very clearly two types of people who complain on woot, and I think that I have shown many times that I'm willing to listen to one of these groups of people, but I have no qualms in saying that I have no respect for the other. I hope that I won't be tempted to post on this thread again for any reason, because it will never lead to anything productive. Oh well.

ramyb wrote:There are very clearly two types of people who complain on woot, and I think that I have shown many times that I'm willing to listen to one of these groups of people, but I have no qualms in saying that I have no respect for the other. I hope that I won't be tempted to post on this thread again for any reason, because it will never lead to anything productive. Oh well.

Which side have you ever listened to?

ramyb wrote:There are very clearly two types of people who complain on woot, and I think that I have shown many times that I'm willing to listen to one of these groups of people, but I have no qualms in saying that I have no respect for the other. I hope that I won't be tempted to post on this thread again for any reason, because it will never lead to anything productive. Oh well.

What are the two sides? Those who love your cutesy Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) vs. those of us who call you out on your BS? Pretty obvious which side you don't listen to. Do you have shirts you give out that say "I love Ramyb's Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966)?" If so, I need me one of them!

kylemittskus wrote:What are the two sides? Those who love your cutesy Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) vs. those of us who call you out on your BS? Pretty obvious which side you don't listen to. Do you have shirts you give out that say "I love Ramyb's Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966)?" If so, I need me one of them!

Well, you see, there are some people who are like "This is so great, but I think it needs to be MORE shiny. Also, why did you use rabbits? I think squirrels are SO MUCH CUTER SQUEEEEEE". And those are the criticisms he takes into account.

I think the quote I linked speaks for itself. It shows someone insisting he is going to change, and ASKING people to get on his case if he doesn't. And here we have proof that all he cares about is money and looking like he's a victim.

ramyb, don't get pulled into the bs. Just because the same people like to complain about your design doesn't mean anything. It's obvious people like what you do or you wouldn't have high votes. The truth is in the numbers. I'm sure the people who like things just don't feel like being attacked by all the kids with their panties in a bunch if they voice their approval.

Personally I love seeing people all pissed off at a design at this point. It's nice to watch them get all upset because they didn't get their goose that lays a golden egg.

Every good artist has controversy. Consider this your compliment. ;) Don't waste your breath on haters.

mikenytola wrote:It's nice to watch them get all upset because they didn't get their goose that lays a golden egg.

I don't think you understand what this cliche means.

Re: Listen to your Conscience

Wow, ramyb. I wish people could criticize this entry without hurtling so much personal invective directly at you . . . but this design really does stink up the place.

It's beyond cookie-cutter, from the concept to the drawing style. If there were any justice, you'd be rejected for being too similar to existing shirts. I can only believe, that by submitting this design, you've proven that you hold the woot voters in as much contempt as Adder does. Sadly, all the votes it's getting and the (likely) thousands it will sell once it prints only validates said contempt.

This is depressing :P

re: listen to your conscience

*sigh*

There isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said. But I will say that it's not just the same people complaining over and over. Even I have been okay with some of your past prints, but this is just ughh. This piece is of no consequence whatsoever. The idea is hackneyed and the composition is predictable and boring. There is no flow to this, there is little consideration for the shirt as a canvas... You are designing yourself into a little box.

Stop trying to look past the fire because your house is just going to keep on burning down.

mikenytola wrote:

Every good artist has controversy. Consider this your compliment. ;)

Dude. Look at the great controversies in art throughout history. What caused them? Subversive content that shattered social mores. Harsh critiques of society, or of people of high rank and esteem. Works of originality that people couldn't handle them at the time. Regardless of where one stands in the argument over ramyb's art, how many controversies in history were the result of the artist being accused of cloying cuteness and unoriginality?

I don't think playing this angle is doing ramyb any favors.

ramyb wrote:There are very clearly two types of people who complain on woot, and I think that I have shown many times that I'm willing to listen to one of these groups of people, but I have no qualms in saying that I have no respect for the other. I hope that I won't be tempted to post on this thread again for any reason, because it will never lead to anything productive. Oh well.

dont you think that those of us here with a negative opinion of you as an artist came to that conclusion based on your presence here? whatever other dirt there is to find on you (dA, ED) no one would logically think to look for it if they were not provoked. what were they provoked by? adders ranting about your style? jealousy over your success? both unlikely.

most people here, and i know i was, were provoked by you. they were provoked by your common denominator designs, your failure to listen to criticism, your smugness on the boards when dismissing criticism. like it or not, ramy, this is the bed you made. and you're complaining that you have to sleep in it. i wish i had definitive proof whether or not you were cheating so i can lay that to rest, but the suspicion rose out of YOUR actions! dont you see that? you could have easily curtailed this issue by behaving differently, less questionable, not making yourself to be a victim so much. but you didnt. sorry. this is your fault.

you outright asked the people of this site to "get on your case" if you dont change, and now you are bitter that they did? are you not even going to address that glaring hypocrisy??

so what i am suggesting is this: maybe its your lack of respect for people that are rude with their criticism that causes you to practice behavior found reprehensible by users on this site, which leads right to this situation you are in. have you ever considered that adder may be right in saying you have no integrity? a self examination of that level would be too hurtful, wouldnt it? but how can you honestly feel good about yourself or your work without it? maybe its time to do some growing up, remove your head from your rectum and start being honest with yourself. look past ego and hurt feelings and see the truth. or just keep doing this faux-polite spoiled little kid routine, but im sure you wont like where that gets you in life.

ramyb wrote:And on an unrelated note, I know I've said several times that I'd try new things, I want to state this as more of a long-term commitment instead of a one-week promise. I won't say that I'm going to abandon this style, because it's one that I like and one that I enjoy doing, but there's a time and a place for it and I'm starting to realize that (a bit late, I know, but at least the revelation has come). Up to this point, I just assumed that there was a vocal group who disliked the style and I was able to just ignore their concerns because they were generally voiced in extremely nasty and vicious posts, but it's becoming clear that it's overdone to the point that people who previously enjoyed the style are growing to despise it. I'm going to (at least try) to start doing my part to increasing the variety on woot in the derby. Hopefully. Just get on my case if I don't follow through (although I'm sure that won't be a problem)

Wow, I totally forgot about this. I'll give you what you asked for, you're not following through.

Why? Do you not have anything to say for yourself?

albinoapple wrote:Wow, I totally forgot about this. I'll give you what you asked for, you're not following through.

Why? Do you not have anything to say for yourself?

I have never forgotten, because I knew when he said it he would never follow through.

The passage comes after he dared imply that OTHER people were manipulating the derby after HIS OWN shirt almost undersold its votes. He added it in hoping to look more like a victim, like always, and likely hoped we'd ignore it. He's never intended to do it, and I can't imagine anyone believed it. he just hoped no one would remember

It's nice to know that that all the scaffolding that makes the internet suck has also leaked into the Woot water supply.

ramyb wrote:There are very clearly two types of people who complain on woot, and I think that I have shown many times that I'm willing to listen to one of these groups of people, but I have no qualms in saying that I have no respect for the other. I hope that I won't be tempted to post on this thread again for any reason, because it will never lead to anything productive. Oh well.

Ramy, you're incredible. You have time and time again submitted designs that completely fit the theme and are both wearable and greatly drawn. Don't listen to any of these buffoons who are clearly just jealous and bitter. Their only means of wooters to pay attention is to claim that this shirt, which is in the fog and I will absolutely buy, is inferior to that of their designs which have obviously never actually printed. I just can't stand you being targeted because you truly are amazing.

JackJippy wrote:Ramy, you're incredible. You have time and time again submitted designs that completely fit the theme and are both wearable and greatly drawn. Don't listen to any of these buffoons who are clearly just jealous and bitter. Their only means of wooters to pay attention is to claim that this shirt, which is in the fog and I will absolutely buy, is inferior to that of their designs which have obviously never actually printed. I just can't stand you being targeted because you truly are amazing.

From your name it seems like a dude, and from your post an older dude. Do you buy these shirts for yourself or some kids?

Great shirt -- cute bunnies. I like the placement then again I'm all for off-center stuff.

I'd be in for one. Good luck!

Re: Listen to your Conscience

Eh. I am really unfond of Adder's attitude and comments. I am also really unfond of this shirt design. Like others, I see this as a "done to death on shirts" thing.

I vastly prefer the style of Ramy's other design, and approve of his submissions that are outside his chosen box of cuteness.

Of course, I actually do like some cute designs, but only clever ones. This really doesn't strike me as clever.

No offense intended to Ramy; I do not mean this post as an attack, just as a "hey, there are people who don't attack Ramy all the time who do not like this shirt" comment.

JackJippy wrote:Their only means of wooters to pay attention is to claim that this shirt, which is in the fog and I will absolutely buy, is inferior to that of their designs which have obviously never actually printed.

For the record, I criticized the design and I've never submitted my own designs to this site. Why? Because I can't draw. I can't even draw a straight line.

Your belief that everyone who criticizes this design is a jealous artist is mistaken.

JackJippy wrote:Ramy, you're incredible. You have time and time again submitted designs that completely fit the theme and are both wearable and greatly drawn. Don't listen to any of these buffoons who are clearly just jealous and bitter. Their only means of wooters to pay attention is to claim that this shirt, which is in the fog and I will absolutely buy, is inferior to that of their designs which have obviously never actually printed. I just can't stand you being targeted because you truly are amazing.

Seriously? The "they're just jealous" argument? About as reliable as Godwin's law, equally stupid, and possibly more childish.

marmls2m wrote: *scissors*

Firstly, I don't like this design, personally. Not my thing, and going into the reasons would be incredibly redundant as they've been said a million times.

That said, you talk about him being rude to people, but look at all the things people say to him. I mean, he made a drawing and submitted it to a contest. Yes it's competitive, yes $1000 is on the line, but this got really personal really quickly. You're entitled to say whatever you like, this is the internet, but to see someone receive so many personal insults over such a long period of time, can you honestly expect them to humbly bend over and take it? To say "oh, your endless berating has shown me the error of my ways, how could I not have seen it sooner?"

I mean, come on. Criticize him for his endlessly overused rabbits, or the fact that this is a pretty generic design, but to make personal judgments is a HUGE stretch. You don't know anything about this guy except that he likes anime, and panders to the public. I don't think that makes him a great guy, maybe even a good guy, but he's not necessarily a bad one. People are just pissed off and want someone to lynch.

I'm not going to insult the artist, or cast shame on Woot for printing his stuff when it wins. I'm not going to buy this shirt if it wins, and I'm going to vote for the things I like. Tattle on the shirt, and if enough people do it it's less likely for Woot to ignore the claim of unoriginality. THAT'S the built in mechanism for removing shirts that you feel break the rules. Ultimately, rejecting is up to Woot and there is only so much you can do. But you know, it isn't your website, or your design contest, or your $1000 that's going to the winner; they have more invested in this than you do and running the contest should, by all rights, be up to them.

jmmbell1987 wrote:

I don't think playing this angle is doing ramyb any favors.

Either are a bunch of people acting like cry babies. ;) (not singling you out)

The main thing is ramyb just needs to ignore all of the Trolls, because they are a bunch of people who like to complain yet never do anything to make a situation better. I've said it a million times. Constructive criticisms are one thing, complaining just to complain is another. If people don't like ramyb so much, then why are they wasting so much time always stalking him down? If you hate his design don't vote for it. Tough concept I know. And don't give me this "we are trying to make the world better" BS. Seems to me that these people are the minority around here and others seem to like what ramyb does. Only difference is one group doesn't shove their obnoxious opinions down the others throats.

Instead of people being such big babies, start campaigning the designs you LIKE instead of trying to force your view and opinion on others that disagree with you and have the numbers in the votes to prove it. These people just come across as jerks. But that's just my opinion. I'm happy for all the designs that win, if I like them or not.

Now I'm ready for somebody to quote me to cry some more. Please do, I'm getting quite a laugh out of how ridiculous some people are on here. Some of them repeat offenders EVERY single week! haha Go ahead, be a baby to me too, that'll solve everything!

mikenytola wrote:Now I'm ready for somebody to quote me to cry some more.

Why don't you cry some more. Ya baby.

KIDA26 wrote:Why don't you cry some more. Ya baby.

touche lol should have worded that one differently I guess.

mikenytola wrote:touche lol should have worded that one differently I guess.

I just had to do it. ;)

Re: Listen to your Conscience

um...can someone explain how this has anything to do with the theme? Is it because there are 2 rabbits? Or because the title has "to" in it? Either way, those are pretty weak when I see there have been some clever submissions rejected for theme (right to arm bears). I am not saying I would vote for this, but it does have a connection to the theme (second amendment).

On another note, it is clear that this site is dominated by the same people who love pictures of cats wearing people clothes and collect odd things, because that is what these bunny shirts are, collectors items for people with bunny obsessions. I am not blaming ramy for trying to turn a buck, i am worried that woot is losing its core audience who would buy its stuff off the main woot page. Last I checked, my mom and her friends, who might love this shirt, do not buy big screen tvs or any computer accessory online.

mcosgrove wrote: i am worried that woot is losing its core audience who would buy its stuff off the main woot page. Last I checked, my mom and her friends, who might love this shirt, do not buy big screen tvs or any computer accessory online.

I wouldn't worry to much. None of those tv's or computer accessories have any bunnies on them, unless the users puts it on them. ;)

Re: Listen to your Conscience

You know what I think would be a fantastic idea for a derby: "Derby #105: No Effing Bunnies"

pumbaa57 wrote:You know what I think would be a fantastic idea for a derby: "Derby #105: No Effing Bunnies"

Agreed.

kylemittskus wrote:Says someone with no purchases and who apparently forgot that the damn bunnies were just in the space derby.

1: Buying a shirt makes his opinion no more or less valid, don't be an elitist pretzel twist because you've purchased some t-shirts.

2: The statement was that he hadn't seen them, not that they hadn't been around. Pay attention.

IamIreland wrote:1: Buying a shirt makes his opinion no more or less valid, don't be an elitist pretzel twist because you've purchased some t-shirts.

2: The statement was that he hadn't seen them, not that they hadn't been around. Pay attention.

Says someone with only three to ten woots.

/sarcasm'd

pumbaa57 wrote:You know what I think would be a fantastic idea for a derby: "Derby #105: No Effing Bunnies"

Not a fan of the style, but until people stop voting for it, nothing will change. I wouldn't expect Ramy to change what is obviously working so well. I think Ramy could be equally successful working in some of the other styles he has shown us. Bottom line, until it stops getting gobs of votes, the bunnies will continue. It only makes sense. As much as I'd like to pretend that I am all high and mighty and the art comes first, I'd be doing whatever I could to keep cashing $1000 checks if its getting the votes. It just so happens that my style isn't terribly popular. ;)

mcosgrove wrote:um...can someone explain how this has anything to do with the theme? Is it because there are 2 rabbits? Or because the title has "to" in it? Either way, those are pretty weak when I see there have been some clever submissions rejected for theme (right to arm bears). I am not saying I would vote for this, but it does have a connection to the theme (second amendment).

On another note, it is clear that this site is dominated by the same people who love pictures of cats wearing people clothes and collect odd things, because that is what these bunny shirts are, collectors items for people with bunny obsessions. I am not blaming ramy for trying to turn a buck, i am worried that woot is losing its core audience who would buy its stuff off the main woot page. Last I checked, my mom and her friends, who might love this shirt, do not buy big screen tvs or any computer accessory online.

Good and evil, heaven and hell, devils and angels, id and superego. I'd say dichotomy is on theme for a "two" derby, though this is hardly the more clever way of executing such an idea.

taraxgoesxboom wrote:I think this shirt would be 100% cooler if the bunnies were on the BACK of the shoulder blades.

I agree. Back of the shoulder blades would be better.

camoor wrote:From your name it seems like a dude, and from your post an older dude. Do you buy these shirts for yourself or some kids?

I'm an older dude and I buy these shirts for myself and would buy this one if it won. (No not a lonely virgin, I am married without children).

I think if you guys are so upset that cutesy shirts are winning so much why don't you either A. build your own shirt printing company and print what you want or B. introduce woot to more people like yourself and get them to buy a shirt so they can vote for what you think should win.

As for the bunnies, I must say that while I like them I do think the artist should branch out. Maybe other animals such as raccoons or polar bears or something else completely like robots in this style. (See what I did there, that was called constructive criticism, it's more helpful to the artist than slander and saying how much you hate them).

That being said, I do have to agree with the policy that if it ain't broke don't fix it. If the shirts win why should he change what he is doing?

mikenytola wrote:The main thing is ramyb just needs to ignore all of the Trolls, because they are a bunch of people who like to complain yet never do anything to make a situation better. I've said it a million times. Constructive criticisms are one thing, complaining just to complain is another

I hear ya. But I think the issue is that Ramy HAS been offered plenty of criticism that is, yes, constructive: Stop using pandering designs. Cut it with the bunnies. Use an ounce of originality. Yet every week it's the same thing: cutesy animals, or generic, swirl based designs. Yes, obviously there's a demand for that. Cool. But when it's at the expense of designs that required exponentially more work, with a grand on the line for the artists, I can see why people get so worked up. And when the same criticisms are leveled every week without change from the artist (after he pledged to mix things up!), that's when people throw their hands in the air and just get pissed off.

Does it get TOO volatile? I think so. But I can relate more to Adder in this scenario than Ramy. I don't think Adder and others are trolls. They're people who don't like that this website has become inundated every week with desu critters, slightly manipulated to be kinda in theme, while other artists like tgentry, drakxxx, infinityloop, and more are routinely pushed just out of the fog with designs that are based around the theme (not on trying to fit bunnies into the theme) unique, beautiful, original, and interesting. Given the competitive nature of this site, I can definitely see why they get so pissed off.

Oo-oo! Can I get this as a tattoo?

Re: Listen to your Conscience

It's hard to believe that a lot of people are voting for this shirt.

kdubbs29 wrote:Not a fan of the style, but until people stop voting for it, nothing will change. I wouldn't expect Ramy to change what is obviously working so well. I think Ramy could be equally successful working in some of the other styles he has shown us. Bottom line, until it stops getting gobs of votes, the bunnies will continue. It only makes sense. As much as I'd like to pretend that I am all high and mighty and the art comes first, I'd be doing whatever I could to keep cashing $1000 checks if its getting the votes. It just so happens that my style isn't terribly popular. ;)

I think you missed the point. I wasn't saying anyone was doing anything wrong for submitting bunnies, because you're right, they get votes, so it is the smart thing to do to submit them. What I'm saying is, give us a week or two where the rules say, "No text, NO BUNNIES," then even ones that get votes will get rejected, because the bunnies get old but apparently my little niece is on shirt.woot voting all the time or something.

Bleh.

AdderXYU wrote:1) There are other cuter entries. They are not in the fog.

2) Garlic Fries and Chili Cheese Fries are still better. These are undeniable things. McDonalds Fries might garner some nostalgia votes, but in no fair fight would they win against something fresh, hand-cut, and flavourful

But garlic pomme frittes would be number one.

pumbaa57 wrote:I think you missed the point. I wasn't saying anyone was doing anything wrong for submitting bunnies, because you're right, they get votes, so it is the smart thing to do to submit them. What I'm saying is, give us a week or two where the rules say, "No text, NO BUNNIES," then even ones that get votes will get rejected, because the bunnies get old but apparently my little niece is on shirt.woot voting all the time or something.

Bleh.

Where do you stop? How about no dragons? No geometric designs? No cartoon women or kids? No birds? No pandas? No cats? No robots? No food? No angels vs. devils?

I can see where having a non-whatever some of the weeks would be fair enough. But you can't just single out bunnies. Many times a shirt I really wanted didn't win, but that's how the game is. You win some you lose some.

And let's be honest here, the last time a bunny shirt even won a woot was "You Have to Try This Guys" on Feb 20th. It's now July 28th. So no matter how you twist it and complain about bunnies being in the woots, they haven't been winning!

Since Feb 20th:
6 Robots
8 Lizard/Dinosaur/Dragon (even had a dinosaur themed week)
3 Whales
2 Pirates
4 Cats
3 Military

Some of these include general non-competition put up for sale and some do not. There are more examples than just these. My numbers may not be perfect, but let's be honest here, if anything bunnies are NOT winning every single week, nor does Woot put up independent shirts outside of the competition that have a bunny in them (*edit, other than Bun Bun, but that's more a burger then a cute bunny). So the truth is, people here are complaining an awful lot for something that hasn't been winning. Don't bother trying to justify the attitudes around here, the number of bunnies winning do not support you.

wcsae wrote:I'm an older dude and I buy these shirts for myself and would buy this one if it won. (No not a lonely virgin, I am married without children).

So many things I could say, but I'm trying hard to listen to the better angels of my nature.

I am sad that the ice cream shirt was rejected due to similarity and yet this shirt won't be and will probably be sold now since a lot of people focus votes more on the fog =/

At least the dropping of the ice cream shirt probably helped the Only Two Left/Just The Two Of Us couple shirt, which is more original than this scaffolding. Ah well.

like, Our Movie Genre, the turnips will look HORRENDOUS in this shirt! no way this should print.

AdderXYU wrote:I have never forgotten, because I knew when he said it he would never follow through.

The passage comes after he dared imply that OTHER people were manipulating the derby after HIS OWN shirt almost undersold its votes. He added it in hoping to look more like a victim, like always, and likely hoped we'd ignore it. He's never intended to do it, and I can't imagine anyone believed it. he just hoped no one would remember

Ah the more I get involved in derbies the more I agree with you Adder. I am indeed losing my faith in shirt.woot, but in the end this site still makes the best shirts out of all the deal-a-day websites.

albinoapple wrote:Ah the more I get involved in derbies the more I agree with you Adder. I am indeed losing my faith in shirt.woot, but in the end this site still makes the best shirts out of all the deal-a-day websites.

TeeFury, anyone?

cleverconveyence wrote:TeeFury, anyone?

Fudge teefury, man! All they make is weird art that doesn't look good on a shirt at all. I've only bought from them once and I regret it.

simply l-o-v-ing this shirt =D

mikenytola wrote:
And let's be honest here, the last time a bunny shirt even won a woot was "You Have to Try This Guys" on Feb 20th. It's now July 28th. So no matter how you twist it and complain about bunnies being in the woots, they haven't been winning!

It's also worth noting that Ramy hasn't had a shirt print since May. People like his cutesy designs, and while I can see why people might have been upset when he was printing every week, one cutesy bunny shirt on woot per two months is really perfectly fine.

Scaffolding wrote:Teefury prints more non-concepts and vector idiocy than anything else. But sadly they are still way better than woot.

Woots strength lies in its potential. It just goes eternally unrealized

I wouldn't say they've been better in the last couple of months. At least not way better. Though, sadly, it hasn't been much of a competition either way.

Re: Listen to your Conscience

after swimming thru this discussion, all can say is woot grooms Artist's without checking if the rules are followed.Both in derby's and dailies. Just look at the ape design they tried to sell.Broccoli is good when you steam it. but not on a shirt.as for this one. yuk.

From a guy with the devil and angel literally tattooed in those exact locations...I hope I have a chance to buy this!!!

wcsae wrote:...I think if you guys are so upset that cutesy shirts are winning so much why don't you either A. build your own shirt printing company and print what you want or B. introduce woot to more people like yourself and get them to buy a shirt so they can vote for what you think should win.

...That being said, I do have to agree with the policy that if it ain't broke don't fix it. If the shirts win why should he change what he is doing?

The sense I get from so many of these posts is that Shirt.Woot OWES people something. "I worked really hard on this shirt and then stupid ol' Ramyb comes along and wins with his stupid ol' bunnies! LET'S CHANGE THE RULES SO HE CAN'T WIN! WAAAAHHHH!!!" Seriously, that's what you sound like. Ramyb has a style, sticks to it when he wants, branches out when he feels like it, and has built enough of a following that he generally does well. Wow, he's really gaming the system thee--oh wait, that's what ANY SUCCESSFUL ARTIST OR BUSINESSPERSON DOES.

If people don't vote for your design, it's because they don't like it or wouldn't wear it. If they vote for Ramyb's, it's because they do like it or would wear it. Now you can sit here in these threads and insult your potential customers (as a voter and buyer, I take note of who wishes that all the "cutesy" customers would just go away and make sure to never buy a design from them that prints), or, as suggested above, start your own site.

pumbaa57 wrote:I think you missed the point. I wasn't saying anyone was doing anything wrong for submitting bunnies, because you're right, they get votes, so it is the smart thing to do to submit them. What I'm saying is, give us a week or two where the rules say, "No text, NO BUNNIES," then even ones that get votes will get rejected, because the bunnies get old but apparently my little niece is on shirt.woot voting all the time or something.

Bleh.

Sorry, I was irresponsible. I was reading all the comments and just picked one to "respond" to randomly so I could write my post. It wasn't really directed right back at your comment. Though, if we ban bunnies, then lizards will be overdone, etc. Banning isn't the issue, its convincing the voting audience that there are many viable options each week and that cute isn't always the best solution to the design problem. There are so many amazing designs that don't win each week because there seems to be a large group of voters who either vote for one style, one artist, or one subject matter. Short of getting more voters to woot, I'm not sure what can really be done with it. Adapt or die, I suppose.

binkdrop wrote:Seriously? Out of 181 shirts so far, you looked through every single entry? And of 181 shirts, even if they were ALL completely free, there are only TWO that you and your wife would wear? Sounds like you guys are a tad overly picky!

I only vote for shirts I would buy.

Obviously votes would look different if voting for a shirt was a tentative order for a shirt. And if it printed Woot charged you $10 and shipped it to you.

~redsquid

kdubbs29 wrote:Sorry, I was irresponsible. I was reading all the comments and just picked one to "respond" to randomly so I could write my post. It wasn't really directed right back at your comment. Though, if we ban bunnies, then lizards will be overdone, etc. Banning isn't the issue, its convincing the voting audience that there are many viable options each week and that cute isn't always the best solution to the design problem. There are so many amazing designs that don't win each week because there seems to be a large group of voters who either vote for one style, one artist, or one subject matter. Short of getting more voters to woot, I'm not sure what can really be done with it. Adapt or die, I suppose.

I think the point is rather that if you ban bunnies for a week, there won't be bunnies that week. There may be a lot of lizards, but woot hasn't printed 100 lizard shirts, so the derby will be a bit fresh for a week. Next week, ban something else- institute bans like that a lot until perhaps the voters and the artists discover that they like other things than just bunnies and foxes. Even if it doesn't prevent the panderers from submitting pandering designs, it will give us some variety. that can't be bad.

redsquidkid wrote:I only vote for shirts I would buy.

Obviously votes would look different if voting for a shirt was a tentative order for a shirt. And if it printed Woot charged you $10 and shipped it to you.

~redsquid

I'm with you 100% on this one redsquid. I'm really getting tired of seeing shirts in the fog that are all cartoon animals. Look at the reckoning for the past few weeks, the derby winners that are getting bought and stay on the list don't have cutesy animals, and all the winners with this scaffolding on them fall off the very next week. If you had to put your money where your mouth is, hopefully we wouldn't get people voting for ridiculous shirts that they "sort of like the look of" but would ultimately not buy or wear.

Try doing something more original, nobody wants stupid bunnies anymore

Pigfreak wrote:Try doing something more original, nobody wants stupid bunnies anymore

Obviously some people do... otherwise this wouldn't be in teh fog. I would rather have some more original designs in the fog other than this one... but people still vote for this scaffolding.

Re: Listen to your Conscience

Guys, guys! This whole "is he cheating/getting preferential treatment/an asshat" controversy is sending Ramyb's presence here on woot to freaking celebrity status. It's so counterproductive.

What I hope to see is for this entire community to practice what they preach and treat this kid like any other designer. Tattle on him when you think he needs to be tattled on, leave your critique/praise for his work on his page, and be done with it! I'm tired of this uproar cluttering the comments thread. I'm about to start writing a screenplay for this drama. I know Lifetime would be interested. Jeeez.

As for this design, I think it's trite and not worthy of all the attention it's getting. Shame on me, even.

orzine wrote:
[Ramyb's quote]

bold and underline added for emphasis

AdderXYU wrote:I think the quote I linked speaks for itself. It shows someone insisting he is going to change, and ASKING people to get on his case if he doesn't. And here we have proof that all he cares about is money and looking like he's a victim.

"I linked"? Wasn't it orzine that linked it? Huh? Please tell me that you quoted it in some other comment but it was deleted. I really hope yellow-boxed orzine isn't just a fake account.





Re: all the drama, I think most of the anger is fair, but quite a bit of it is just hating on Ramy because it's Ramy. There are comments about how he has provoked this outrage due to his behaviour, but he's been far, far less caustic than others I could name.

Ramy's comment that he knows Woot's printing abilities has been twisted and made to look like some elitist, arrogant boast. But that's not true. I can think of many times when someone like tgentry does an intricate design and is asked, "can this actually be printed?" And then that artist replies, "I'm pretty sure it can; I've done stuff like this before and it's worked." Are they being elitist? No - they're just mentioning their experience.

There's plenty to be said against this design. And though I hate to say it, there are plenty of things to be said against the designer. But it's counterproductive when the rational arguments devolve into the ravings of a crazed mob.

eHalcyon wrote:But it's counterproductive when the rational arguments devolve into the ravings of a crazed mob.

burn the heretic!