DianaSprinkle wrote:That's a lot of "don't do what you love the way that makes you money", "do what you love how I say you should..."
If you love it, you do it naturally. You don't care why it's done. You might even decide to never do it professionally just to keep it honest.
You think very black and white, which does NOT help you at all. Also the world is NOT a meritocracy fantasy land that you imagine it could be if only people did what you tell them. Those with the most merit/skill/talent are constantly passed over time and time again in every job for all sorts of reason. Your business example does not work. People are promoted just for being terrible at their job so they will no longer be doing said job. You are just completely delusional on this, I'm sorry.
The world certainly isn't a meritocracy fantasy land. But as an artist, you can either do what you believe in anyway, or you can help it become even less of a meritocracy. Every time someone says "this is how it is, so this is how I'll be", they make it harder to change. It's obvious the whole lot of you came to woot together. So here's my question: you get two, three, four talented designers together. There are enough of you to eventually help turn the tables. Your work this week IS leaps and bounds above most of what I see here week to week. So why not approach it saying "hey, this is what wins... let's change that!" If your catacombs printed somehow, that would be a coup. If Bass had won out with her xtreme part, that would have been, too. It would have heralded the arrival of someone who could topple the normal hoopla. It is incredibly nice to see people with skill here, because it gives the idea that they will finally change woot... the more people are fighting it out for real, the more chance it can change for real. All art scenes improve when artists work together to improve it, and die when it's all bloodlust and every man for themselves. The more people are only looking out for themselves, the more strangled the people who ARE being honest become.
ALSO you don't get to decide why an artist did something because you don't like the art. Time and time again I'll see an artist TELL you why they did something and you ignore everything but the word "win" or "money" or whatever you want to hear.
Actions vs. words.
Here's the thing, ANY artist with a real job will not want to make art after a long day of working. You WILL NOT get better art. Your logic is flawed. An artist CAN do art around a day job but they will still want their art to have VALUE. And in this world value can be money. You don't get to decide what an artists value is.
I could easily point you to designers here who make art here and then refuse to sell it elsewhere if they don't feel good about it after. I could easily show you artists with day jobs simply because they don't want to ruin the joy of creating. And their work is consistently some of the most interesting, most attractive, most meaningful, most creative... so yeah, you're wrong. Perhaps for you, you can't come home from a day job and do art. But it's not a brush you can paint all designers with. But yeah, I can't assign a value and force a designer to stick with it, but I can certainly assign a personal value. And to me, the way someone puts value on their work influences how I value it also.
I told you, I don't do art just for money BUT I value my art. THESE THINGS ARE NOT CONFLICTING as much as you think they are.
I don't even know why you ask question you don't want to listen to the answers too.
You should value your art. Every artist should. But the problem is when the only value it can have is monetary. It's also an issue when the value comes up before the design.
I would like to see as many skilled people as possible make a grand off woot for their skill. But I don't want to see a single person use a grand from woot as their main motivation. To me, that bastardizes everything. And yknow what? I bet far more artists and designers believe that than you'd allow.