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Ask Mr. Owl

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j0naht


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How many bullets does it take to reach the center of a smart-ass owl?

Six colors on tootsie roll brown!!

kinzoku


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ffffffffffffffffffff

Awesome.

isparabola


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j0naht wrote:How many bullets does it take to reach the center of a smart-ass owl?


One... Two.... *BANG*

capedcrusader514


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I may be mistaken but I think a shirt similar to this has been rejected before.... maybe im wrong though.

akd85


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this prob be rejected... but I LOVE IT. GMV

WOOTZing

mrwednesday


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I don't see how this can survive rejection.

j0naht


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mrwednesday wrote:I don't see how this can survive rejection.


It's a parody on a tv commercial from 40 years ago.

mrwednesday


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j0naht wrote:It's a parody on a tv commercial from 40 years ago.


No I get that, but the commercial has been used pretty consistently since then and may still air. Partially the problem is that the art seems too close to the originals and I don't know if just adding a gun is enough

kender42


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mrwednesday wrote:No I get that, but the commercial has been used pretty consistently since then and may still air. Partially the problem is that the art seems too close to the originals and I don't know if just adding a gun is enough


There is a shirt that has the owl on it asking how many licks does it take. The owl is licking the tootsie pop. The shirt sells at wal-mart. Not saying that it is the same, just saying the character is still in use. So mrwednesday may have a point.

On another note. I laughed my ass off and I think this is great.

Stercrazy


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mrwednesday wrote:No I get that, but the commercial has been used pretty consistently since then and may still air. Partially the problem is that the art seems too close to the originals and I don't know if just adding a gun is enough


Yep, I see it on TV every now and then. While I'd like to say that this is protected under parody, the characters are sooooo close to the characters from the commercial. I guess, legally, it boils down to whether the characters are trademarked and how protective the owners are of that trademark. In the end, it'll boil down to whether Woot wants to take that risk.

j0naht


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Stercrazy wrote:Yep, I see it on TV every now and then. While I'd like to say that this is protected under parody, the characters are sooooo close to the characters from the commercial. I guess, legally, it boils down to whether the characters are trademarked and how protective the owners are of that trademark. In the end, it'll boil down to whether Woot wants to take that risk.


I thought it would be worth a shot. It doesn't look like it is going to be popular enough anyway

Stercrazy


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j0naht wrote:I thought it would be worth a shot. It doesn't look like it is going to be popular enough anyway


Eh, you did a good job on it, and the derby's still going. Don't give up hope yet. Until Woot definitively rejects it, assuming they even do, there's still a chance of it placing. Stranger things have happened.

TheyKilledKenny


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It took me 1067 over 25 years ago... I'll never forget that number... GMV

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gesangbaer


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This has my vote, but considering some of the other parodies I've seen woot drop recently, I'm not sure this will make it. I'm rooting for ya though!!!

Jaggerthehyena


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lol this is soooo gonna get rejected.

bassanimation


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-sigh

I wish people would stop using existing intellectual properties here.

xazothia


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bassanimation wrote:-sigh

I wish people would stop using existing intellectual properties here.


They already banned video games - try emailing woot with your thoughts if you're serious about it.

There's only three existing-IP parody shirts in the reckoning right now, and only two of those are from Derbies. The fact that parodies haven't been printing since video games were banned is enough to tell me that further restrictions over such aren't really necessary.

sakleehop


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This may be too close to the original copyrighted property for Woot's liking. It may be a candidate for rejection.

Polygon89


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sakleehop wrote:This may be too close to the original copyrighted property for Woot's liking. It may be a candidate for rejection.


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.slashfood.com/media/2008/08/mr-owl-425.jpg

http://laribee.com/files/blog-images/HowManyObjectstoRepresentanEntity_7A70/image_5.png

pretty much a direct rip off of the original commercial.

xazothia


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Polygon89 wrote:
pretty much a direct rip off of the original commercial.


it amazes me how many people do not know the difference between any or all of the following: an homage, a reference, a parody, a ripoff.

bluejay13


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GMV. This is awesome! I hope it doesn't get rejected. I understand if it does, but I would love to wear this to my next holiday with my family! :D

bassanimation


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xazothia wrote:They already banned video games - try emailing woot with your thoughts if you're serious about it.

There's only three existing-IP parody shirts in the reckoning right now, and only two of those are from Derbies. The fact that parodies haven't been printing since video games were banned is enough to tell me that further restrictions over such aren't really necessary.


I doubt it would make a difference if I wrote to Woot. People love them some pop culture on here. If they want it, who am I to change it? :\ I just don't have to give it my vote.

marmls2m


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xazothia wrote:it amazes me how many people do not know the difference between any or all of the following: an homage, a reference, a parody, a ripoff.


xazy, you will be horrified to know that i officially like you as a person


johnnykosher


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In my opinion the original commercial ripped off Ziggy anyway... fair game.

pixie0011


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johnnykosher wrote:In my opinion the original commercial ripped off Ziggy anyway... fair game.


nice.

Draug


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I find it remarkable this wasn't rejected yet. Especially since they rejected a shirt for two white paws sticking out from beneath a red doghouse. o_O Odd.

The enemy's gate is down.
Writers are people too! (Albeit strange ones.)
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strawhat311


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Please don't reject this woot, I love you!!!

I would so buy this shirt ominous messages from Greg! GMV!

sagerman4


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Please woot!! I need to have this shirt! It says everything I always wanted to say to that greedy, condescending owl.
How he mocked that boy, how he sat high on his branch, smirking at the ignorance of the naive youngster.
My soul burns with anger at this owl and all other owls like him, and the only appropriate vindication that I could imagine before today was to secretly hate owls
But then.
A light in the darkness.
A shirt reveals itself.
Could it be?
It is.
GMV

Floridafighter66


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j0naht wrote:How many bullets does it take to reach the center of a smart-ass owl?

Six colors on tootsie roll brown!!


Our Movie Genre, i was literally rolling on the floor with laughter when i saw this and your first comment.

IndependentVik


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bassanimation wrote:I doubt it would make a difference if I wrote to Woot. People love them some pop culture on here. If they want it, who am I to change it? :\ I just don't have to give it my vote.


I'm surprised you have that much of a dislike for existing IP references. Just my opinion, but the pieces you defend week in and week out are much more artistically lazy. They're derivative, rely on an easily-aped, highly marketable style, are conceptually weak or, when they're not, are retreads of designs printed elsewhere.

The stuff you actually draw, though, I tend to find interesting conceptually, and I usually enjoy your execution as well.

AdderXYU


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IndependentVik wrote:I'm surprised you have that much of a dislike for existing IP references. Just my opinion, but the pieces you defend week in and week out are much more artistically lazy. They're derivative, rely on an easily-aped, highly marketable style, are conceptually weak or, when they're not, are retreads of designs printed elsewhere.

The stuff you actually draw, though, I tend to find interesting conceptually, and I usually enjoy your execution as well.


Don't worry, Vik, she's new. As soon as she realizes Cho is pretty much a woot paragon of quality in concept and execution, she'll be ragging on him like she does EVERY good designer here.

yakub89


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Unique, yet hilarious idea. These are the kind of ideas that deserve to be in the fog. Nice simple design. I wouldn't change anything. I'll buy this if it wins!
P.S. I want your bod...

bassanimation


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AdderXYU wrote:Don't worry, Vik, she's new. As soon as she realizes Cho is pretty much a woot paragon of quality in concept and execution, she'll be ragging on him like she does EVERY good designer here.


LOL, yeah, I rag on everyone here who's any good Adder. That's why I try to visit as many artist's threads that I like and leave nice comments on them. Just because I leave a crit or don't comment on things you like doesn't mean I'm ragging on people :\. But, you'll always see everything I say as negative.

It honestly confuses me that you are ok with someone cashing in on a fanbase someone else built with their own ideas/characters/art. But, you're -not- ok with shinydesu art that at least the artist created themselves. It may be banal or cancellation to you, but at least it's not cashing in on someone else's work on a national tshirt site. To me, that is _my_ definition of "pandering". Using an existing fanbase to get attention as opposed to your own work.

I personally see entries like this as akin to fanart. It's very, very easy to get an audience when using a familiar idea that people recall fondly. I would rather see people's original art here. That's why I come here, for these artists work, not fanart. If I want that I can go to the mall.

tenza


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bassanimation wrote:To me, that is _my_ definition of "pandering". Using an existing fanbase to get attention as opposed to your own work.


Um, I think every submitter of a design is using a fanbase to get attention. I mean, that's what this very site is: a fanbase.

I'd consider pandering to be something like posting only one piece on an art gallery website for the sole purpose of selling a product and not contributing anything to gallery otherwise.

bassanimation


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IndependentVik wrote:I'm surprised you have that much of a dislike for existing IP references. Just my opinion, but the pieces you defend week in and week out are much more artistically lazy. They're derivative, rely on an easily-aped, highly marketable style, are conceptually weak or, when they're not, are retreads of designs printed elsewhere.

The stuff you actually draw, though, I tend to find interesting conceptually, and I usually enjoy your execution as well.


Thanks for your comment. I think people greatly, greatly misunderstand me here on Woot. I defend a lot of the things here because I feel people and art are _wrongly_ attacked. It's hard to explain here without being picked apart. If you need a better explanation please pm me. I'm happy to talk to people off-site.

Oddly enough, as I said to Adder above, using existing IP is a "pander" to me. The cute chibi work is another version of "pandering", yes. I will agree it is not exactly a style that is original or difficult to create. However, _both_ of these things are geared to _sell_. (this is not a defense of pandering, it is just a comparison)

I'm not trying to attack the artist. I just want to see people's own stuff here. If I wanted a pop culture shirt, I can get it at the mall. I really like to see artist's own work and ideas here. That's what I come here to buy.

Thanks so much for the compliment, I appreciate it very much .

tenza


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bassanimation wrote:snip


OK, perhaps I was a little too indirect. Y'know my little quip about pandering? Yeah, that's about you. For that reason, I find it ironic that you'd be the the one talking about what pandering is and isn't.

AdderXYU


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bassanimation wrote:LOL, yeah, I rag on everyone here who's any good Adder. That's why I try to visit as many artist's threads that I like and leave nice comments on them. Just because I leave a crit or don't comment on things you like doesn't mean I'm ragging on people :\. But, you'll always see everything I say as negative.

It honestly confuses me that you are ok with someone cashing in on a fanbase someone else built with their own ideas/characters/art. But, you're -not- ok with shinydesu art that at least the artist created themselves. It may be banal or cancellation to you, but at least it's not cashing in on someone else's work on a national tshirt site. To me, that is _my_ definition of "pandering". Using an existing fanbase to get attention as opposed to your own work.

I personally see entries like this as akin to fanart. It's very, very easy to get an audience when using a familiar idea that people recall fondly. I would rather see people's original art here. That's why I come here, for these artists work, not fanart. If I want that I can go to the mall.


Parody is far different from fan art, though. First, it requires a creative concept pulling from the original content. Good parody requires clever use of the source material. It also requires a very diverse skill level to be able to adequately represent so many different characters (Weird Al Yankovic has an -incredibly- competent band considering all the diverse styles they are able to ape for the sake of humour). Parody is easy to do, but hard to do well (ie; most parodies on woot, or most homemade parody songs on youtube).

Comparatively, chibi-desu is like Nickelback. It might be done purely by one's own hand, but if it's all boring and the same, who cares? A good parody is BETTER, because it still requires being hand-crafted, but also RELIES on a strong concept, where the Nickelback designs certain people give require nothing but a formula the same schlubs without doing anything of worth.

I am the first to say that woot would be better off getting rid of all parody work, because most people here don't get it. Most people here do it horribly. But overall, a well done parody is far more creative and skillful than the chibi nonsense. It's like a comedy routine... you can spout catchphrases, or you can take your time to create unique commentaries and punchlines. A parody consisting of the latter humor and conceptualization exists out of respect for the art, not just profit (how many comics slum through the profession without ever garnering widespread respect? Most). On the other hand, the normal junk we get is Git 'er Done. Shout it over and over again, and the gumballs will laugh, but it doesn't make you a good comic. Most of woot is the artistic equivalent of Carlos Mencia or Larry the Cable Guy... Thieves or cliches.

mrwednesday


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bassanimation wrote:snip


People aren't wrongly attacked. You just turn a blind eye or have neglected to look into the history. It's going to hurt your reputation (as it already has) with the people here who care about quality, and you don't have the offsite fanbase to overcome it. I actually kind of find it funny because you're basically asking people not to vote for your designs.

IndependentVik


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bassanimation wrote:Thanks for your comment. I think people greatly, greatly misunderstand me here on Woot. I defend a lot of the things here because I feel people and art are _wrongly_ attacked. It's hard to explain here without being picked apart. If you need a better explanation please pm me. I'm happy to talk to people off-site.


My belief is that you genuinely haven't been around long enough to notice the pattern and that perhaps it's not you that's being misunderstood but you that misunderstands what's been going on here in the long term. People say it all the time, but there's a lot of history here, and it takes quite a bit of effort to read through and process all of it, especially if you're new. PMed you.

IndependentVik


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AdderXYU wrote:
Comparatively, chibi-desu is like Nickelback. It might be done purely by one's own hand, but if it's all boring and the same, who cares? A good parody is BETTER, because it still requires being hand-crafted, but also RELIES on a strong concept, where the Nickelback designs certain people give require nothing but a formula the same schlubs without doing anything of worth.


I think this is my favorite use of an analogy by Adder ever.

Thanks for such an eloquent defense of real parody, btw. It gets lost amidst all the fan art here and tends to get painted with the same brush, but a well-executed, clever parody is a great thing.

KaylaJ


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Draug wrote:I find it remarkable this wasn't rejected yet. Especially since they rejected a shirt for two white paws sticking out from beneath a red doghouse. o_O Odd.


i'm guessing snoopy's lawyers are probably a bit more powerful

colegrove713


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After all these comments about IP and parody vs. ripoff...I decided that I liked the shirt enough to give it my vote. Not a big fan of the tootsie roll brown color, but given the subject matter, it fits. I think I'd prefer a color of the wrapper...like maybe orange.

j0naht


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colegrove713 wrote:After all these comments about IP and parody vs. ripoff...I decided that I liked the shirt enough to give it my vote. Not a big fan of the tootsie roll brown color, but given the subject matter, it fits. I think I'd prefer a color of the wrapper...like maybe orange.


That's funny because I originally drew it with an orange shirt, but changed to brown to be more like tootsie roll. I didn't consider the wrapper though.

ViciousSandpiper


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Awesome! This shirt is grade A parody and I'm very glad to see it in the fog today. I already voted for it, but I just wanted to drop by and squee at the possibility that I may be able to buy it this weekend.

TheyKilledKenny


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ViciousSandpiper wrote:Awesome! This shirt is grade A parody and I'm very glad to see it in the fog today. I already voted for it, but I just wanted to drop by and squee at the possibility that I may be able to buy it this weekend.


I think this will make a great x-mas present, I am just glad the rejectionator steadied his hand on this one...

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ccazabon


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ViciousSandpiper wrote:Awesome! This shirt is grade A parody and I'm very glad to see it in the fog today. I already voted for it, but I just wanted to drop by and squee at the possibility that I may be able to buy it this weekend.


As i understand, to be a parody requires 30% difference. As funny as this shirt would be/is, it's nowhere close to 30% to my eye. The characters are pretty spot on from the commercial with the exception of facial expressions (which doesn't make them 'different')

j0naht


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ccazabon wrote:As i understand, to be a parody requires 30% difference. As funny as this shirt would be/is, it's nowhere close to 30% to my eye. The characters are pretty spot on from the commercial with the exception of facial expressions (which doesn't make them 'different')


I would argue 'slightly' better drawn here than in the commercial

xazothia


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ccazabon wrote:As i understand, to be a parody requires 30% difference.


You're thinking of a derivative work (and 30% is an arbitrary number anyway).

All the pseudo-lawyering in here really could have been avoided if people actually knew the definition of the words they were using.

Galaxie64


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Excellent, and damn this overly litigious society if it gets banned.

tenza


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xazothia wrote:You're thinking of a derivative work (and 30% is an arbitrary number anyway).

All the pseudo-lawyering in here really could have been avoided if people actually knew the definition of the words they were using.


Amen to that!

Schwigity


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tenza wrote:Amen to that!


This is awesome!! Print please!!!

bvillarreal


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KaraMiaTX


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I have to say I am surprised this missed the Rejection Man's axe, but I am also very pleased. I am in with the earlier comment about the design perhaps looking better on orange. Still has my vote, good job!

j0naht


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GekkoSt


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Must Have!

ZetaPirate


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Aside from all the pseudo-lawyer scaffolding and the number of gripes in here from _one_ person (get it? ) I like this shirt and it has my vote. Though I don't really understand all that legal scaffolding, I'd wear it

If you keep an open mind, is there a chance your brain might fall out?

ZetaPirate


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ZetaPirate wrote:Aside from all the pseudo-lawyer scaffolding and the number of gripes in here from _one_ person (get it? ) I like this shirt and it has my vote. Though I don't really understand all that legal scaffolding, I'd wear it


scaffolding? O.o

If you keep an open mind, is there a chance your brain might fall out?

dmcloe


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so funny, j! love it!

reede


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Good Job Jonah! Everyone has wanted a piece of that smug-arse owl since he snatched up that tootsie roll!

colegrove713


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KaraMiaTX wrote:I have to say I am surprised this missed the Rejection Man's axe, but I am also very pleased. I am in with the earlier comment about the design perhaps looking better on orange. Still has my vote, good job!


Yay, this is still not rejected! If it goes on sale, I will buy it...even if I prefer orange!

brainville


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I missed the voting, but I hope this won places!

-brainville

Alexinator


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I'll be buying one for sure. Thanks Woot, your utter holy-ness never ceases to amaze me.

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