Derby #137: Luck
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Lucky Pup

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sekiyoku


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This was an entry I did for fun I haven’t really drawn anything cute for a while, and this idea came to mind. Probably a bit too sweet for the typical woot audience, but whatever, I like it. :3

bassanimation


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Lord this is so adorable it makes me sweat chocolate milk.... Wow...I'm kinda gross ^^;. I also really love stars...and puppies....I cannot turn away!!! Damn you girly DNA!!!

capedcrusader514


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again, not lucky. his hands your be on fire and not attached to his body.


bluetuba


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AdderXYU wrote:He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire.


*almost chokes to death on his lunch laughing*

cantstopthesignal


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AdderXYU wrote:He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire.


This is true. Maybe the cosmic radiation has already taken effect.

kdubbs29


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Yuck. I can totally appreciate your drawing talent (definitely more natural talent than I have), but these shirts are just cutesy dreck. I hate being a jerk, but it drives me nuts seeing all of these shirts in the fog ahead of some other really good ones. It just seems like wasted talent to me.

Josephus


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why does this little bear (they're 'cubs' not 'pups', btw) have a kitten's face?

dietotaku


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Josephus wrote:why does this little bear (they're 'cubs' not 'pups', btw) have a kitten's face?


because it's not a bear, it's a dog.

beleg


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Josephus wrote:why does this little bear (they're 'cubs' not 'pups', btw) have a kitten's face?

I believe its a dog not a bear in which case it is a pup.

chamelean75


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I love it!!!!!

genericsmith


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AdderXYU wrote:He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire.


Plus it's grotesquely oversized... Which would result in a snapped neck if it ever shifted balance.

Read the comic book "The Cat with a Really Big Head, and One Other Story that Isn't as Good" by Roman Dirge... That's this animal's fate.

Munchy Attack If you can find the name of this artist & real song title I'll buy you a daily woot shirt (your choice what day)

Dystopia Dark Lager, Where the Wild Parties at?, B.A. Bearacus, and many more wanted in XXL(PLEASE!!!)
Edgar Allen Poe shall remained headlock'd until Nevermore is reckoned.

loveengrey


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I'm not gonna get on you for doing a really cute design cause of your first post. But yeah the look on the dogs face is really confusing for me. If the dog just cause a falling star, why is it sad? I would have expected at least a smile or something like that. Adders hilarious explanation is making so much sense.

yumac29


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AdderXYU wrote:He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire.


+1!

Nothing like a good shirt.woot argument. Gets me through a whole class.

KaylaJ


quality posts: 22 Private Messages KaylaJ
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its a dog?

tcanning


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sekiyoku wrote:I haven’t really drawn anything cute for a while...


Haven't drawn anything cute for a while? Are you trying to be ironic?

Please use your artistic talents to perhaps create a design that an adult would want to wear.

nyren


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Good job with the lighting on the bear's chest, but why is the glowing star shaded? That really makes no sense that I can figure...

Also, I'm going to have to agree that the bear's head is oversized for the body, and his expression is either flat or depressed.

The part that bugs me is that flat drawings (as opposed to dynamic) and grossly incorrect proportions have been an issue with your drawings for years now. Are you trying to address them, or are you deliberately making those mistakes over and over?

It's nice that you've managed to partially fix your third biggest mistake (lighting sources), but still, if your shirts are going to repeatedly win, can't you at least have the decency to improve your art? I don't mean to switch content genres - that's totally your choice - but why do you stubbornly refuse to improve on the areas where you are artistically incredibly weak?

Even if your content genre alone is winning the contest for you, wouldn't working to improve your style benefit everyone?

cakeninjak


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This is the same old boring cutesy animal stuff. I am so sick of designs like this fogging.

pure5152


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you remember that saying that if you can wish upon a shooting star your wish will come true?
... and how you can never actually make a wish fast enough because it disappears too quickly...

"catching a shooting star"

... I guess you have to be lucky to catch a shooting star.

although this shirt design is not realistic, I don't think it was intended to be realistic.

Chickeninawhat


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Damn shooting stars shedding macaroni crumbles all over the place.

maddy2005


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KaylaJ wrote:its a dog?


isn't it ridiculous?

Ikonos71


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I'm not sure what that thing is, but it's head looks like a hamburger patty from Wendy's.

sasham62


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nyren wrote:
Also, I'm going to have to agree that the bear's head is oversized for the body, and his expression is either flat or depressed.


I guess some folks haven't seen the ads for Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. *g* Not sure how they avoided that ...

I do think for such a lucky pup he does look awful sad, though.

AdderXYU


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sasham62 wrote:I guess some folks haven't seen the ads for Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. *g* Not sure how they avoided that ...

I do think for such a lucky pup he does look awful sad, though.


I'm not really sure the point you're trying to make here. The ads for Burton's Alice are garish and hideous.

bearysoft


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sekiyoku wrote: I haven’t really drawn anything cute for a while


That's ALL you draw is cute. Old, truly old.

NameyMcName


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loveengrey wrote:I'm not gonna get on you for doing a really cute design cause of your first post. But yeah the look on the dogs face is really confusing for me. If the dog just cause a falling star, why is it sad? I would have expected at least a smile or something like that. Adders hilarious explanation is making so much sense.

Looks like his mouth is open in awe to me.

marzipanapple


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AdderXYU wrote:I'm not really sure the point you're trying to make here. The ads for Burton's Alice are garish and hideous.


So that movie and this shirt have something in common.

AdderXYU


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marzipanapple wrote:So that movie and this shirt have something in common.


Yes, but I don't remotely think that was the commentary the OP intended

DivineAna


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Damn... I like it. It turns out all Seki had to do to win me over was to switch from kitties to puppies.

I must go hang my head in shame..

Jaiyla


quality posts: 4 Private Messages Jaiyla
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Adorable, would definitely wear this. GMV

mintykitty


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Terribly cute! Love how you use the whole canvas to lengthen the design. Hail, the short-torsoed!

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tholmp


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cuteness overload.


albinoapple


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tholmp wrote:cuteness overload.


More like apathy overload.

I'm left wondering if the artist is actually able to draw emotion.

sasham62


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AdderXYU wrote:I'm not really sure the point you're trying to make here. The ads for Burton's Alice are garish and hideous.


Actually, while I find Burton's red queen design to be ... overdone, it's likely to be quite popular. (Which is the point I was aiming for.)
And the oversized head style is a standard in comic drawing.
See Big Nate: http://comics.com/big_nate/
See Frazz: http://comics.com/frazz/
See Prickly City: http://comics.com/prickly_city/
See Red Rover: http://comics.com/red&rover/
See Soup To Nuts: http://comics.com/soup_to_nutz/
See Calvin and Hobbes: http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes
See Cul Du Sac: http://www.gocomics.com/culdesac
See Heart of the City: http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity
Even Peanuts is proportionally comparable: http://comics.com/peanuts/

... oh, scr** it, I'm going to bed.

KevinMCombes


quality posts: 14 Private Messages KevinMCombes
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Wow, looks like Ramy didn't have any time to draw for you this week, especially considering that one of his entries actually displays some effort (for once). This is... feeble.

AdderXYU


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sasham62 wrote:Actually, while I find Burton's red queen design to be ... overdone, it's likely to be quite popular. (Which is the point I was aiming for.)
And the oversized head style is a standard in comic drawing.
See Big Nate: http://comics.com/big_nate/
See Frazz: http://comics.com/frazz/
See Prickly City: http://comics.com/prickly_city/
See Red Rover: http://comics.com/red&rover/
See Soup To Nuts: http://comics.com/soup_to_nutz/
See Calvin and Hobbes: http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes
See Cul Du Sac: http://www.gocomics.com/culdesac
See Heart of the City: http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity
Even Peanuts is proportionally comparable: http://comics.com/peanuts/

... oh, scr** it, I'm going to bed.


I'm not really sure how to say this:

OK, here goes. A comic strip relies on its humor more than its art. XKCD is all stick figures, but it works. Why? Because it's also funny. That's what a comic requires.

That said, the only reason XKCD would be considered WEARABLE is because it is a comic property. Which is the same with all your examples. they are only wearable in context of the comic existing. Otherwise it's some big-headed thing on a shirt.

Of course, it's also worth noting that Calvin, or Charlie brown, is drawn in a distinctive style, which this is not. Hundreds and thousands of people draw just like this. no one else draws like charles shultz unless they're copying charles shultz.

Which really all ignores the basic truth that this is ugly. The big square head is only part of its uglyness.

fairnymph


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This is the biggest travesty of any derby ever, I believe. Worse than Egyptian Plumber, even.

*shakes head miserably*

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icemonster


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You and ramyb sure outdid yourselves on sucktastic designs this week.

I think your cat shirt is better than this one, although that's not really a compliment.

Have a nice day.

fairnymph


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kdubbs29 wrote:Yuck. I can totally appreciate your drawing talent (definitely more natural talent than I have), but these shirts are just cutesy dreck. I hate being a jerk, but it drives me nuts seeing all of these shirts in the fog ahead of some other really good ones. It just seems like wasted talent to me.


This exactly! Entries like this are not only hurting the other entries possessing actual artistic and conceptual quality, but they're pathetic and depressing because the artists are capable of so much more.

Fewer entries; more time, effort, and creativity -- please?

I'm not trying to just mindlessly hate on you, but I can't handle another round of winners which are all virtually identical 'cutesey dreck' as kdubbs so perfectly described it.

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fairnymph


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"He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire."

bluetuba wrote:*almost chokes to death on his lunch laughing*


Argh, did woot delete Adder's comment? Was that one line it or was there more? Adder, if you have it saved and you wrote more, please PM me the entirety of your comment. *begs*

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AdderXYU


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fairnymph wrote:"He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire."



Argh, did woot delete Adder's comment? Was that one line it or was there more? Adder, if you have it saved and you wrote more, please PM me the entirety of your comment. *begs*


That was the whole of my comment. I guess stating that the design didn't look remotely lucky, had a square head, and is holding fire, is all somehow ad hominem, personal attack.

kissafrog


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Ikonos71 wrote:I'm not sure what that thing is, but it's head looks like a hamburger patty from Wendy's.


Best comment on this design yet...

sezen


quality posts: 9 Private Messages sezen
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I would definitely NOT want one. But I am not the only one here and I have seen sekiyoku's shirts sell like hotcakes, so I am just gonna shut up and vote on entries I like more and hope that the ones I like best win

Beffy


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I really love the stars for all their cutesy adorableness, but the dog is just ugh. Make a shirt with just the stars and I will buy one for every child I know

TamerlerKA


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I'm just voting for everything in the fog that isn't stupid, cute animal drek in an attempt to get some decent level of skill in here.

jmmbell1987


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bearysoft wrote:That's ALL you draw is cute. Old, truly old.


And whether or not it's actually cute is, frankly, a matter of contention.

anmllover86


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I want this one so bad! great job.

bluetuba


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fairnymph wrote:"He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire."



Argh, did woot delete Adder's comment? Was that one line it or was there more? Adder, if you have it saved and you wrote more, please PM me the entirety of your comment. *begs*


Yup, it was just a joke. Adder has probably given the mods plenty of reason to have an itchy delete finger, especially when it comes to the wonder twins, but IMO deleting harmless jokes is too far.

I mean woot kinda encourages people to crack jokes with the whole quality post thing on the daily threads.

emptyplatitudes


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sekiyoku wrote:This was an entry I did for fun I haven’t really drawn anything cute for a while, and this idea came to mind. Probably a bit too sweet for the typical woot audience, but whatever, I like it. :3


off-topic. it isn't remotely lucky for a nutria to wind up on the ocean floor, even if he catches a starfish, as starfish are not part of the nutria's normal diet. nutria are herbivorous.

Schlagwerk


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I don't get how this is lucky.

MathUhhhSaurus


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love it! I also love the facial expressions on the stars

gmv!

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hijimmy5


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"He looks pretty unhappy for being lucky. Maybe this is because his head is square and he is holding fire."

LOL, this shirt is hilarious.

ImGreedy


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hehe this shirt is so damn cute! :D!! tho why is the puppy sad when he's holding the star?

ChiByakko


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I really like the placement of the design on this shirt - the image fills up more than just the bust of the shirt, which to me, makes the shirt more appealing overall.

It's an adorable design, and I love the simplicity of the shooting star concept for "luck."

I would deffinitely get one of these!

Kassiandora


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I like it. Only thing is I think I need to lose some more weight before I wear it. The dog on my belly would only emphasize my tummy!

HansonMcCrotch


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Is this supposed to be a cat or a bear?

DrAlex


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Gosh ... this is so super adorable ... I LOVE it. Gets my vote!

jmmbell1987


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Apparently simply possessing eyes and a mouth are all that are needed for a character to be cute nowadays.

JaundiceDave


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AdderXYU wrote:I'm not really sure how to say this:

OK, here goes. A comic strip relies on its humor more than its art. XKCD is all stick figures, but it works. Why? Because it's also funny. That's what a comic requires.

That said, the only reason XKCD would be considered WEARABLE is because it is a comic property. Which is the same with all your examples. they are only wearable in context of the comic existing. Otherwise it's some big-headed thing on a shirt.

Of course, it's also worth noting that Calvin, or Charlie brown, is drawn in a distinctive style, which this is not. Hundreds and thousands of people draw just like this. no one else draws like charles shultz unless they're copying charles shultz.

Which really all ignores the basic truth that this is ugly. The big square head is only part of its uglyness.


Wow, nice tautology. Nobody draws like Charles Schultz, except for those who draw like Charles Schultz!

tonitonitone


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Oh. I see what's going on here. I used to wonder about all the ramy and seki hate, but now I see why. Most of their designs really are practically clones of one another. While I liked some of them (computer mice, imposter comes to mind), I've never bought any because they really are very similar to one another.

That being said, Woot is a business in a capitalistic democracy. Ramy and seki's designs happens to appeal to a large voting demographic of Woot shirt customers (cute, funny, easy to interpret .. always a win with mob mentality). Besides, while there are some awesome designs out there, let's be honest here, not all of them work on shirts, and if and when a truly good design comes along, ramy and seki's designs wouldn't even be competition in that case. Bashing other artists, especially some of the petty things said on the forums, to a newcomer, just reeks of jealousy and immaturity. I guess designers can take this chance to kick it up a notch, or you can whine about how other designs are not given a chance to be in the fog.

But it's really none of my beeswax. Sorry for the intrusion. Carry on!

Ghaleon256


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bluetuba wrote:Yup, it was just a joke. Adder has probably given the mods plenty of reason to have an itchy delete finger, especially when it comes to the wonder twins, but IMO deleting harmless jokes is too far.

I mean woot kinda encourages people to crack jokes with the whole quality post thing on the daily threads.


Wonder twins? Seriously? Do you even know who Ramy and Seki are? The wonder twins changed into different things, Seki and Ramy can only churn out the same 3 shirts over and over again (and somehow have 4 in the fog right now).

mrjameswack


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So freaking sick of the derbies just being completely ruined by these "cute" shirts, just make a new freaking website called cuteanimalwootshirt.com or cartoonanimalwootshirt.com or something and allow the creative stuff to live on, PLEASE

paigeg


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tonitonitone wrote:... Most of their designs really are practically clones of one another...
Besides, while there are some awesome designs out there, let's be honest here, not all of them work on shirts...

And that's the heart of the problems in the Community and why they'll never go away. Commercial art that takes little time to draw will get more votes than more thoughtful pieces that hold artistic appeal, but aren't necessarily as wearable as shirt designs. I just don't vote for cutesy stuff I wouldn't wear, the same as I don't vote for awesome-looking art that, nevertheless, would make a crappy t-shirt. Oddly, this usually equates to me saving a bunch of money on t-shirts, since so little of what I would wear prints. Huh. I guess that's a good thing!

bassanimation


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tonitonitone wrote:Oh. I see what's going on here. I used to wonder about all the ramy and seki hate, but now I see why. Most of their designs really are practically clones of one another. While I liked some of them (computer mice, imposter comes to mind), I've never bought any because they really are very similar to one another.

That being said, Woot is a business in a capitalistic democracy. Ramy and seki's designs happens to appeal to a large voting demographic of Woot shirt customers (cute, funny, easy to interpret .. always a win with mob mentality). Besides, while there are some awesome designs out there, let's be honest here, not all of them work on shirts, and if and when a truly good design comes along, ramy and seki's designs wouldn't even be competition in that case. Bashing other artists, especially some of the petty things said on the forums, to a newcomer, just reeks of jealousy and immaturity. I guess designers can take this chance to kick it up a notch, or you can whine about how other designs are not given a chance to be in the fog.

But it's really none of my beeswax. Sorry for the intrusion. Carry on!


Great post.

bassanimation


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jmmbell1987 wrote:Apparently simply possessing eyes and a mouth are all that are needed for a character to be cute nowadays.


Cute is actually kind of hard to draw, especially if you want to stay away from the usually disliked styles.

HansonMcCrotch


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Needs more bunnies...

tonitonitone


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paigeg wrote:Oddly, this usually equates to me saving a bunch of money on t-shirts, since so little of what I would wear prints. Huh. I guess that's a good thing!


I know ... they never print the one I want.

AdderXYU


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tonitonitone wrote:Oh. I see what's going on here. I used to wonder about all the ramy and seki hate, but now I see why. Most of their designs really are practically clones of one another. While I liked some of them (computer mice, imposter comes to mind), I've never bought any because they really are very similar to one another.

That being said, Woot is a business in a capitalistic democracy. Ramy and seki's designs happens to appeal to a large voting demographic of Woot shirt customers (cute, funny, easy to interpret .. always a win with mob mentality). Besides, while there are some awesome designs out there, let's be honest here, not all of them work on shirts, and if and when a truly good design comes along, ramy and seki's designs wouldn't even be competition in that case. Bashing other artists, especially some of the petty things said on the forums, to a newcomer, just reeks of jealousy and immaturity. I guess designers can take this chance to kick it up a notch, or you can whine about how other designs are not given a chance to be in the fog.

But it's really none of my beeswax. Sorry for the intrusion. Carry on!


If you believe in capitalism as being right, then you deserve this.

There's a brilliant post at Threadless about their Bestee winner. They don't have the cojones to say she manipulated the spirit of their scoring and promoting laws by bringing in a pretty huge outside base to the site for the sole purpose of voting for her, scoring her something like 25000 bucks, and presumably buying her shirt. They know they dropped the ball by making such a huge prize based fully on votes, though, and they commented as such with a blog, FROM THE FOUNDER, stating they were working on ways to make the selections next year actually represent what are great shirts the community there loves.

Because capitalism doesn't work. If it did, we'd never have gotten into our financial crisis. All capitalism does is hurt anyone with integrity, and all supporting it in this unabashed way woot perpetuates does is hurt people with integrity. Anyone FOR this sort of capitalism is that sort of person. You really can't "get" the ramy/seki issue unless you "get" why people don't keep quiet about it. It speaks volumes about other tee sites that they're willing to work on fixing it, even if they still are too weak to point fingers. threadless is shouldering the blame. Woot, if they had the integrity, would shoulder the blame too. they'd admit they get why people are upset, and they'd transparently work toward fixing it. Because any business that deserves success not only knows what its customers want, but they know what their customers should never be given. If it takes abuse to the system to deny it, at least they stop it. Woot's been abused like this for well over a year now. It's time for them to man up, too

gumberculees


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AdderXYU wrote:If you believe in capitalism as being right, then you deserve this.

There's a brilliant post at Threadless about their Bestee winner. They don't have the cojones to say she manipulated the spirit of their scoring and promoting laws by bringing in a pretty huge outside base to the site for the sole purpose of voting for her, scoring her something like 25000 bucks, and presumably buying her shirt. They know they dropped the ball by making such a huge prize based fully on votes, though, and they commented as such with a blog, FROM THE FOUNDER, stating they were working on ways to make the selections next year actually represent what are great shirts the community there loves.

Because capitalism doesn't work. If it did, we'd never have gotten into our financial crisis. All capitalism does is hurt anyone with integrity, and all supporting it in this unabashed way woot perpetuates does is hurt people with integrity. Anyone FOR this sort of capitalism is that sort of person. You really can't "get" the ramy/seki issue unless you "get" why people don't keep quiet about it. It speaks volumes about other tee sites that they're willing to work on fixing it, even if they still are too weak to point fingers. threadless is shouldering the blame. Woot, if they had the integrity, would shoulder the blame too. they'd admit they get why people are upset, and they'd transparently work toward fixing it. Because any business that deserves success not only knows what its customers want, but they know what their customers should never be given. If it takes abuse to the system to deny it, at least they stop it. Woot's been abused like this for well over a year now. It's time for them to man up, too


well over a year. its been almost two years, hasnt it?

AdderXYU


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gumberculees wrote:well over a year. its been almost two years, hasnt it?


One Fish Two Fish was in December 08, so not even quite 1.5

I know it seems like much longer, though.

missfantasia


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I would totally buy this. This is so flipping cute. Lol

raevynpheather


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AdderXYU wrote:
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Woot, if they had the integrity, would shoulder the blame too. they'd admit they get why people are upset, and they'd transparently work toward fixing it. Because any business that deserves success not only knows what its customers want, but they know what their customers should never be given. If it takes abuse to the system to deny it, at least they stop it. Woot's been abused like this for well over a year now. It's time for them to man up, too


What Woots customers want is for you and people like you to shut up and go away to those other fakon shirt sites, that make no where near what Woot does (because Woot does things the way they do).

What Woot customers should never be given is a world with you in it, spreading your hate for everything cute, because in YOUR mind it is not artsy enough. In this world, not the one in your imagination, cute sells and artsy collects dust.

I love woot. Actually the only two things I hate about Woot is YOU (and MrWednesday who I lump in with you because you two are pretty much the same person) and the rejectonators itchy trigger finger (I think many designs that get rejected shouldn't be, like "Ask Mr. Owl" last week, that would have gotten first and sold out by 9am).

fleamarketadict


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AdderXYU wrote:If you believe in capitalism as being right, then you deserve this.

*snip*


There's what you keep forgetting Adder....woot is a capitalistic venture. At it's base woot exsists to make money, not to sell good designs.

An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.

clockcycle


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Re: Lucky Pup


Nice work.

Btw, where do all these critics come from and are they actually reading what they post? Art is in the eye of the beholder. Size, proportion, realistic, shading?? humm..

Personally it looks to me that the pup is sad that the star has fallen away from it's friends. And perhaps it's not so lucky for the star.

mikenytola


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AdderXYU wrote:
Because capitalism doesn't work. If it did, we'd never have gotten into our financial crisis.

Not commenting any anything else you said, just this. Capitalism does work, it's corporate greed and a few individuals that ruin it. "We" didn't get ourself into this financial situation, "they" did. Democracy also works, when you are on the losing side, of coarse you are going to feel that it doesn't or feel cheated. That doesn't mean one vote is more right than another, no matter what the opinion is.

bassanimation


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mikenytola wrote:Not commenting any anything else you said, just this. Capitalism does work, it's corporate greed and a few individuals that ruin it. "We" didn't get ourself into this financial situation, "they" did. Democracy also works, when you are on the losing side, of coarse you are going to feel that it doesn't or feel cheated. That doesn't mean one vote is more right than another, no matter what the opinion is.


Quality post.

HeartlineTwist


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mikenytola wrote:Not commenting any anything else you said, just this. Capitalism does work, it's corporate greed and a few individuals that ruin it. "We" didn't get ourself into this financial situation, "they" did. Democracy also works, when you are on the losing side, of coarse you are going to feel that it doesn't or feel cheated. That doesn't mean one vote is more right than another, no matter what the opinion is.


Unchecked capitalism doesn't really work without exploiting people. It's also not something we have in the US.

Anyway, there are really a couple of separate issues at play that divide the outspoken members of the community.

The first is the Seki/Ramy debacle, and I'm really not going to touch that topic because I think people on both sides are being relatively absurd and heavy-handed, but I will admit that I think it's rather unfortunate that Seki and Ramy should know that they tap into the demand of the Woot audience enough to more or less be guaranteed at least one if not several prints per month, and in spite of that, we get designs that, even in their style, feel rushed with plenty of objectively-based artistic mistakes.

The second issue, though, is the big issue, but this one has seemed to start getting a little better in recent weeks. That issue is, of course, the cute/chibi style that has riled up quite a few members of the community. Yes, personal tastes and democracy and all that, but the issue in a different light is that the cute/chibi style has an influence that is seemingly comparable to Walmart. In the past (and still now, but to a lesser extent), artists would have to resort to adopting that style in order to compete because their own style/content wasn't getting recognition from the community that was voting. Now, setting issues on whether or not that's a good or bad thing aside, the problem this creates is that assimilation to a cute/chibi style just floods the derby with more cute/chibi designs, so the system more or less continues to grow in that direction.

Now, to be fair, I really do think this is more of a longer-projected Woot trend than a lasting thing, and even though I haven't been around as long as most, those do come and go. I distinctly remember having discussions about frightened food shirts and an epic debate over the merits of simplicity when a string of stick figure designs were winning. I think recent derbies have shown that the Woot voting community is perhaps looking for something else. Then again, that assessment is hard to make with any confidence because those weeks tend to be weeks when Ramy and/or Seki don't enter a design, whereas they almost always seem to find and keep a place in the fog when they do enter.

paigeg


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HeartlineTwist wrote:

Then again, that assessment is hard to make with any confidence because those weeks tend to be weeks when Ramy and/or Seki don't enter a design, whereas they almost always seem to find and keep a place in the fog when they do enter.


>sigh< And so we're back where we're started. I don't know what makes me more weary: the endless debate, or the endless chibi-fog. All things end, though, and I suppose, so shall these.

paigeg


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clockcycle wrote:Nice work.

Btw, where do all these critics come from and are they actually reading what they post? Art is in the eye of the beholder. Size, proportion, realistic, shading?? humm...


Can't speak for anyone else, but I criticize because the artistic level is low, and because I am not ten years old. Any artistic argument aside, the concept is weak, and the sappy-cute style makes this no better than a Care Bear retread. (yeah, yeah, I know - it's a DOG).

hattopic


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bassanimation wrote:Quality post.


Because nothing says quality like misspelled words.

mikenytola


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hattopic wrote:Because nothing says quality like misspelled words.

Too late to edit, already quoted...



At least it's just one missed space bar hit, one wrong punctuation, and one typo. Still... doh!

Chanakin


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Re: Lucky Pup


Why are you guys so critical? It's one thing if you yourselves can draw, but I bet half of you can't do more than a stick figure. It's a cute shirt. The artist said she knew it was cute, but she wanted to submit it anyways. Obviously it's doing well, which is a reflection of her skill, regardless of what you amateur art critics have to say. Let's face it, art is only "good" if people actually enjoy it, right? So if people enjoy it and want to buy it, shut your trap and get off your pedestal, please. Most people don't exactly eye a t-shirt for perspective or lighting issues, unless they're A) an artist, or B) OCD and a critic. Seki, I appreciate you, even if it's just for having the guts to submit something to a website full of such hateful people. So please, people, take your rants and criticism somewhere else, maybe to an art exhibit or an art class where people actually care about what you're saying. Better yet, submit your own "perfectly drawn" t-shirt, win, and THEN you can start criticizing.

LightAce


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Re: Lucky Pup


Shirt looks awesome, I like all these cutesy shirts

grotepas


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raevynpheather wrote:What Woots customers want is for you and people like you to shut up and go away to those other fakon shirt sites, that make no where near what Woot does (because Woot does things the way they do).

I love woot. Actually the only two things I hate about Woot is YOU (and MrWednesday who I lump in with you because you two are pretty much the same person) and the rejectonators itchy trigger finger (I think many designs that get rejected shouldn't be, like "Ask Mr. Owl" last week, that would have gotten first and sold out by 9am).


I used to agree with you, but after having been gone a few weeks, and being back now, I must say I MISS MrWednesday. Where is he? I was looking for an articulate dissection of why this shirt is awful and why it shouldn't be in the fog and I find none. I'm not lying. I wish he was here. It was the one thing that would let me know there is still SOME sanity being displayed on the forum.

At least Adder is still here to say what any long term Woot customer has grown to realize -- that these small-eyed, big-headed abominations are boring. I'm incredibly disappointed to see so many Ramy and Seki shirts in the fog, or near it, or garnering any votes. I can only say that I sincerely hope none of them win because I've never once been tempted to by their shirts. I used to think the rants from Adder and MrWednesday and others were mere jealousy, but I've changed my song. I'm sure those guys would like to win too, but they're obviously not spineless enough to sell out and churn out dross like Ramy and Seki.

Sorry Ramy and Seki, I don't mind when you guys win with clever or interesting entries, but I'm tired of the animals with teensy dots for eyes and totally swollen skulls and whatnot.

I love cats and I love dogs, but I'll never like the way they've been portrayed in these chibi drawings.

I know this comes after the fact -- the votes are in, no one cares anymore. I just wanted to tell Adder and MrWednesday that their cynical voices of reason are missed.

jmmbell1987


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raevynpheather wrote:What Woots customers want is for you and people like you to shut up and go away to those other fakon shirt sites, that make no where near what Woot does (because Woot does things the way they do).

What Woot customers should never be given is a world with you in it, spreading your hate for everything cute, because in YOUR mind it is not artsy enough. In this world, not the one in your imagination, cute sells and artsy collects dust.

I love woot. Actually the only two things I hate about Woot is YOU (and MrWednesday who I lump in with you because you two are pretty much the same person) and the rejectonators itchy trigger finger (I think many designs that get rejected shouldn't be, like "Ask Mr. Owl" last week, that would have gotten first and sold out by 9am).


Grow up. Criticism isn't hate. You are guilty of far more hate in your posts than those you accuse.

No one hates cute art. Somehow you cannot see that that isn't the point of the criticisms. It's mind-boggling how ignorant so many of your posts are.

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