Derby #139: Madness
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Madness Unleashed REDUX

Madness Unleashed REDUX
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SubBass49


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My re-done version with a new shirt-comp image (thanks for the advice Lagbert!).

This is still my first ever entry, so I'm still up for whatever advice you experienced woot-shirt designers can give me though, so feel free to drop any advice you may have for a complete and utter newb.

Drakxxx


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Looking pretty good! The colors are very interesting. What is inside the skull though?


SubBass49


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Drakxxx wrote:Looking pretty good! The colors are very interesting. What is inside the skull though?


PARANOIA - telescope/helicopter blade/ghostly skeletal teeth in the smoke/CCTV camera

MANIC CREATIVITY - the random & abstract shapes & forms

IRRATIONAL FEAR OF DEATH - The scythe & the sword blade

This design basically started out as a pencil sketch...scanned at 300dpi grayscale...and colorized in photoshop 5. The one thing I don't like about it is the roughness of the pencil lines after scanning. They're not smooth enough for my liking, and I don't know if theres a solution for that in photoshop 5.

Keep in mind, I'm a total newbie here. I understand you're kind of a big-shot within the woot shirt community though, so any advice you might have for me would be really appreciated.

Drakxxx


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SubBass49 wrote:PARANOIA - telescope/helicopter blade/ghostly skeletal teeth in the smoke/CCTV camera

MANIC CREATIVITY - the random & abstract shapes & forms

IRRATIONAL FEAR OF DEATH - The scythe & the sword blade

This design basically started out as a pencil sketch...scanned at 300dpi grayscale...and colorized in photoshop 5. The one thing I don't like about it is the roughness of the pencil lines after scanning. They're not smooth enough for my liking, and I don't know if theres a solution for that in photoshop 5.

Keep in mind, I'm a total newbie here. I understand you're kind of a big-shot within the woot shirt community though, so any advice you might have for me would be really appreciated.


Ah, thanks man, I'm far from a big shot though.

I scan a sketch in at 300 DIP, and then go over it on a top layer with black. I usually add a bunch of stuff in at this time to. then on layers underneath I add each of the colors.

I would love to see the stuff inside the skull a little more clearly, since now that you've explained what they are and represent, I'm linking the design even more, it's a great concept.


Lagbert


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Nice new composition picture. The details show up a lot better now.

There are a number of quick ways to darken up your lines.

Use the curves tool - ton of tutorials out there

Use the levels tool - not as versatile as the curves tool, but can be used to increase the contrast.

Use tracing paper and a fine tip marker or pen to make a really clean pre-scan image.

Trace your image with a vector program like illustrator or inkscape. This is a lot more time consuming but can give you really clean results. I typically rough something out with pencil, trace it if it got too messy during the initial sketching phase, scan it, vectorize it in inkscape. Right now the vectorization process is the slowest aspect of my work flow.

Hope this is info is helpful

SubBass49


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Draxx & Lagbert -

Thanks again for the tips & advice. You're helping me immensely here! I like the tracing paper & ink idea. I've never been a big fan of illustrator (even though I learned it back in the 90s in a graphic design program). I may try out some of the other stuff you guys said, but for now I'm most likely going to be a strictly hand-drawn designer.

Good luck on the derby!

paigeg


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SubBass49 wrote:Draxx & Lagbert -

Thanks again for the tips & advice. You're helping me immensely here! I like the tracing paper & ink idea. I've never been a big fan of illustrator (even though I learned it back in the 90s in a graphic design program). I may try out some of the other stuff you guys said, but for now I'm most likely going to be a strictly hand-drawn designer.

Good luck on the derby!

Cripes, Sub, thanQ for those questions! I gotta find a way to bookmark this thread so I can keep that advice in mind. Just bought a tablet, and may eventually upgrade my software. But advice from these folks is worth its weight..
And good luck - you have an awesome first entry!

JesseBYAH


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I'm surprised this doesnt have more votes! This is really fantastic! please keep submitting in derbies, I dig your style =)

SubBass49


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JesseBYAH wrote:I'm surprised this doesnt have more votes! This is really fantastic! please keep submitting in derbies, I dig your style =)


Thanks! I'll keep entering when I have the time between work and a family. The 16 month old doesn't make it easy to do art at home...she gets into EVERYTHING.

SubBass49


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Question: Is it my color choices that are turning people off to this design? I mean, I have a background in color theory, but I understand some people are slow to embrace "different" combinations of color.

I'd just like to know for next time...

tjost


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SubBass49 wrote:Question: Is it my color choices that are turning people off to this design? I mean, I have a background in color theory, but I understand some people are slow to embrace "different" combinations of color.

I'd just like to know for next time...


I think your colors are fine, it's probably a case of the roughness of the image (from your pencil scans) That being said I'm not sure I'd like that particular combo of colors emblazzed on my chest wether they work or not I learned Illustrator in the mid 90's too, it's come a ways since then but it's basics are the same. If you don't like it and your comfy with Photoshop I'd just ink in directly there. I do half my stuff in Photoshop and half in Illustrator if I want cleaner lines (plus the new blob brush is great and speeds up the work flow) Get a small tablet if you don't have one, I'd recommend a Wacom Bamboo 6x8 or if you can swing it an Wacom Intuos (the sensitivity gains are worth it and there's less lag to contribute to that floating pen feeling) Then in Photoshop import your scan, make a new layer and ink with a brush set to pressure sensitivity to control line weight. Voila!

paigeg


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tjost wrote: Voila!


THANK YOU, tjost! I'd commented to SubBass49 on the design, but I don't have the experience and terminology you do. I actually do like the colors, but they're risky and not for everyone. S/he'd wondered whether to resub and I recommended not, at this point. I'm learning from my own experience here - future subs I need to make sure I'm happy with my color choices before subbing.
That said, I'm gonna take the rest of your advice for myself, as well. I just purchased a tablet and it should arrive soon. I'm hoping to do a much better job with my lines once I teach myself to use it (hand-eye thing, not my forte!).
Thanks again!

odysseyroc


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tjost wrote:I think your colors are fine, it's probably a case of the roughness of the image (from your pencil scans) That being said I'm not sure I'd like that particular combo of colors emblazzed on my chest wether they work or not I learned Illustrator in the mid 90's too, it's come a ways since then but it's basics are the same. If you don't like it and your comfy with Photoshop I'd just ink in directly there. I do half my stuff in Photoshop and half in Illustrator if I want cleaner lines (plus the new blob brush is great and speeds up the work flow) Get a small tablet if you don't have one, I'd recommend a Wacom Bamboo 6x8 or if you can swing it an Wacom Intuos (the sensitivity gains are worth it and there's less lag to contribute to that floating pen feeling) Then in Photoshop import your scan, make a new layer and ink with a brush set to pressure sensitivity to control line weight. Voila!


I agree with what tjost says here. In my experience people don't like purple and green together. I like the way it looks in your design, but I don't think I'd wear a shirt with those color combos either.


I also agree about the pencil lines being just too rough. I've dropped the drawing on paper and scanning step and just draw everything directly in photoshop. I've been using illustrator since the early 90's, and am comfortable with it, ,but don't really have the patience to want to ink with it. If you're comfortable with beziers you can use a combo of photoshop's brush tool and path tool to get some pretty good results. Definitely get a Wacom tablet if you don't have one.

If you don't have and can't afford a tablet right now, you can get smoother results with scanning pencils, but your pencil drawing has to be really tight. What you'd have to do your drawing on something with a smooth surface, like hot press illustration board or bristol paper, scan into photoshop, and adjust the levels and curves till it looks like you inked it. It's done in comics all the time. Most of the time it's not as good as a skilled inker's work, but guys like J Scott Campbell are capable of producing piece where you'd never know the difference.





SubBass49


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Tjost & Odyssey -

You all rock. Along with the rest of the commenters here, you're helping me out by leaps & bounds and I appreciate it. I went ahead and installed Inkscape on my computer and will be messing around with it a bit to see what I can do, but I also like the tablet idea.

I have a bluetooth wacom tablet, but I haven't used it much and every time I open photoshop it says something about the tablet drivers being mismatched, so needless to say I have to do some trouble-shooting on that.

Hope the next derby is good and I can find the time to play around on it. Oh, and I'm probably going to stick with safer color choices until I'm more established!

spacenut20


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Very cool, unique design. Especially the color, not the usual blacks and grays that a design with a skull usually has.

Ezshrkman


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I really like it…and I am not a big fan of skulls on my shirts.
Looks like you are getting a lot of attention from the pros on here. I am bookmarking this page to save all the great tips!
I am a total noob 2! I dig the colors and styling. Good Job!
Got my vote. =)

Loco Luminescence

SubBass49


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Ezshrkman wrote:I really like it…and I am not a big fan of skulls on my shirts.
Looks like you are getting a lot of attention from the pros on here. I am bookmarking this page to save all the great tips!
I am a total noob 2! I dig the colors and styling. Good Job!
Got my vote. =)

Loco Luminescence



I have no problem asking for help, and apparently the cool folks here have no problem giving advice. That's actually really cool, and I appreciate it a lot. There are some places where folks just hate and push others down, but you guys have really stepped up.

Much respect!

Ezshrkman


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SubBass49 wrote:I have no problem asking for help, and apparently the cool folks here have no problem giving advice. That's actually really cool, and I appreciate it a lot. There are some places where folks just hate and push others down, but you guys have really stepped up.

Much respect!

Me 2 !
I have met some really cool people in the last 3 weeks that are more than willing to help out the noob.
Thank you for letting us join the woot crew and making us feel like we are welcome.
thees strangers have been very nice 2 me...
paigeg,SnowQueenVT,odysseyroc,TheAitch,eye4spot,andJesseBYAH, brains eating or something like that?
PS

My design is gonna get like 5 more votes tonight =) ! watch out crazy staws and mouse =) Sweet!
Loco Luminescence

Lagbert


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Another thought on line work. An cheap alternative to a tablet is a nib pen. These are the type of pens you dip in ink and then draw with.

Pros:

Variable line width
Dark lines
Good old fashion pen on paper tactile feed back
Cheap (about $15 for nibs, ink, and a nib holder (pen body))

Cons:

Can be extremely messy
No undo button

I haven't played with mine in a couple of years but they are great. I have yet to find a set of pressure settings on my wacom graphire 3 that work well for me, and I hate how my hand sticks to the plastic surface after a while. With a nib I have better control of my line widths (you can see the width of the nib change as you apply more pressure), and since I'm working on an actual piece of paper I can rotate my work piece - can't do that with the tablet.

SubBass49


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Lagbert wrote:Another thought on line work. An cheap alternative to a tablet is a nib pen. These are the type of pens you dip in ink and then draw with.

Pros:

Variable line width
Dark lines
Good old fashion pen on paper tactile feed back
Cheap (about $15 for nibs, ink, and a nib holder (pen body))

Cons:

Can be extremely messy
No undo button

I haven't played with mine in a couple of years but they are great. I have yet to find a set of pressure settings on my wacom graphire 3 that work well for me, and I hate how my hand sticks to the plastic surface after a while. With a nib I have better control of my line widths (you can see the width of the nib change as you apply more pressure), and since I'm working on an actual piece of paper I can rotate my work piece - can't do that with the tablet.


Oh wow...geez...it must have been AT LEAST 12 years since I've used pens with nibs...lol...now THAT would take some getting used to...

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