Derby #157: Reinterpreting Famous Art Titles

Reinterpreting Don Quixote by Picasso

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Rejected because: Not original artwork

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monkeyman08854


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This was really really clever. I congratulate you on making me smile.

jb2colorado


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Just wanted to say I highly doubt there is going to be a more "wear-able" shirt in this derby. This just works as a t-shirt. Really spectacular. Got my vote.

lonelypond


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Spiritgreen


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knarfishness


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I really do like this one. ++

fishermanswife


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Love the idea :-)
Hate the color :-(

lindal33


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Omelets made great... this is SO appropriate here on Cape Cod, where they have been disputing back and forth for YEARS about putting a wind farm off the coast.

I love the design! I want one!

Linda

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KromeHWI


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jomichar


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Nice! I like how it is a play off the original artwork. Hopefully it is parody enough that it doesn't get rejected for being too close.

kylemittskus


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Parody =/= reinterpretation.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

antigrapist


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It reminds me of this xkcd strip:
http://xkcd.com/556/

Spiritgreen


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I really like the concept toby, as I posted before - but I was just looking at the original and it struck me that many parts of this design are very literally copied from Picasso's painting. The sun and the whole of Don Quixote, are either traced or cut and pasted into this design. They're an exact copy, except for Quixote's head being rotated a little.

I'm not posting this to stir up trouble or be insulting, but Woot can't print this as it is. You might want to consider resubbing with a more personal take on this idea?

djskellington


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Wow. Honestly I rarely vote but had to for this one. Very imaginative. I hope this wins because I definitely want one!

MilitantLobster


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fishermanswife wrote:Love the idea :-)
Hate the color :-(


I agree. The idea is awesome, but I'd like to see it on maybe green or blue. Just one person's opinion.

bookworm656


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I don't know all that much about what's allowed and what's not, but this seems like it's probably outside Woot's printing area. I could be wrong, though.

Woot: I'm in it for the monkeys.

prowerlbear


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definitely gets my vote! clever and amusing, lovely use of line width... score!

specsmachine


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Spiritgreen wrote:I really like the concept toby, as I posted before - but I was just looking at the original and it struck me that many parts of this design are very literally copied from Picasso's painting. The sun and the whole of Don Quixote, are either traced or cut and pasted into this design. They're an exact copy, except for Quixote's head being rotated a little.

I'm not posting this to stir up trouble or be insulting, but Woot can't print this as it is. You might want to consider resubbing with a more personal take on this idea?


You are totally right, Spiritgreen. I freakin' LOVE this shirt but my conscience made me take my vote back because its almost a carbon copy. I would absolutely buy it in a store but I can't support it in a creative competition.

astyrfan


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specsmachine wrote:You are totally right, Spiritgreen. I freakin' LOVE this shirt but my conscience made me take my vote back because its almost a carbon copy. I would absolutely buy it in a store but I can't support it in a creative competition.


I agree with this, and will be doing the same. I was really pleased with this design, but Spiritgreen is right -- we're probably as pleased as we are because Picasso did it...



Sorry dude. Everything looks traced... down to the sun =(

djskellington


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specsmachine wrote:You are totally right, Spiritgreen. I freakin' LOVE this shirt but my conscience made me take my vote back because its almost a carbon copy. I would absolutely buy it in a store but I can't support it in a creative competition.


I have to agree here. I love the design, but after reconsidering, I'm taking my vote back.

defenestration


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astyrfan wrote:I agree with this, and will be doing the same. I was really pleased with this design, but Spiritgreen is right -- we're probably as pleased as we are because Picasso did it...



Sorry dude. Everything looks traced... down to the sun =(


This coming from someone using a copyrighted image in your piece? If toby did this using anything other than the original, than it would not have the same effect. Enough changes was made to the painting to make it a parody of the original. And as much as those like Adder wish it wasn't, this is not an art contest, it's a tshirt contest. And this is a VERY clever tshirt.

Twistedmonkey22


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I'm afraid its not only too close to the original but is much to similar to the XKCD that was mentioned above. (http://xkcd.com/556/) The joke has already been made. If you didn't actually get the joke from the XKCD then props to you, but its impossible to prove.

kylemittskus


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defenestration wrote:This coming from someone using a copyrighted image in your piece? If toby did this using anything other than the original, than it would not have the same effect. Enough changes was made to the painting to make it a parody of the original. And as much as those like Adder wish it wasn't, this is not an art contest, it's a tshirt contest. And this is a VERY clever tshirt.


It's blatantly plagiarized! The only difference is the windmill. The rest is a DIRECT trace! What is wrong with you?

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

marzipanapple


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defenestration wrote: Enough changes was made to the painting to make it a parody of the original.


As someone mentioned before, this is traced. I could understand why you might not want to believe just words (as anyone could say anything). So here's some proof:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Applepie/trace.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Applepie/trace2.png

In case you can't figure out what's going on here, I opened two windows. One with the original and one with the shirt. I then dragged the original to overlay the shirt's graphic, then took a screen shot of my desktop. I did this twice. Once to line it up with the characters, and then a second time to show that the OP didn't even want to draw the sun themselves.


rinkusu


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Change the color and you've got a sale!

rmorhauser85


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I just want to say, please, please, please redo this. Finally there is a woot shirt that isn't only for Japanese teenage boys and Hot-Topic outcasts. This is something that is smart and looks good. Quite frankly, it's the only shirt this derby that I would buy. But, it looks like it might get canceled because of the similarities to the original, so please fix it!

AdderXYU


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marzipanapple wrote:As someone mentioned before, this is traced. I could understand why you might not want to believe just words (as anyone could say anything). So here's some proof:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Applepie/trace.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Applepie/trace2.png

In case you can't figure out what's going on here, I opened two windows. One with the original and one with the shirt. I then dragged the original to overlay the shirt's graphic, then took a screen shot of my desktop. I did this twice. Once to line it up with the characters, and then a second time to show that the OP didn't even want to draw the sun themselves.


People who insist this is not an art competition are also the first to insist that art should be able to be plagiarized. Thought y'all should take note of the company you keep based on your opinions.

This said, Marzipan, you know you're not going to change anyone's mind with fact. THEY LIKE THIS SHIRT SO I DONT KNOW WHATS SO BAD ABOUT IT GIVE IT TO ME ITS ALL BEEN DONE ANYWAY EXCEPT THOSE 5 SHIRTS THAT ARE TOTALLY UNIQUE BUT I DONT LIKE THEM THEYRE TOO UNFAMILIAR AND CREATIVE SO THEY SHOULDNT WIN BECUZ THIS IS JUST ABOUT TSHIRTS.

And that, further, being said, this is arguably not even on theme. Robbie's parody works because the part he reinterprets is the part in the title. This reimagines the story of Don Quixote, but it DOES NOT REINTERPRET THE TITLE OF THE PAINTING.

thatsleon


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Ohhh, this is absolutely fantastic. One of the best designs I've seen on this site so far.

Good luck in the Derby! I'd LOVE to own this.

jb2colorado


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I seriously can't wait to buy this shirt. Controversy loves company. Keep the arguments going, it's just gonna bring up the votes. Woot! hasn't taken it down, so it obviously fits within the parameters.

Darquis


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I like the IDEA. And for those saying that it's lifted from xkcd - possible, but certainly not everyone reads that site, so it's possible that it was innocent. Normally I'd give the benefit of the doubt, but, well, someone else proved that the art is lifted.

But even though I like the idea of the shirt, it's off topic. As Adder pointed out, this is a reinterpretation derby. How is this a reinterpretation of Don Quixote? A coyote leading the mafia (while probably not the first person to come up with it) would be a reinterpretation. This is parody. And as such, it's off-topic.

This doesn't even account for the plagiarism someone else brought up. It's too bad, as I liked the shirt - now I have to tattle.

Darquis


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jb2colorado wrote:I seriously can't wait to buy this shirt. Controversy loves company. Keep the arguments going, it's just gonna bring up the votes. Woot! hasn't taken it down, so it obviously fits within the parameters.


Sorry, your logic is erroneous - it's the weekend, and 0 shirts have been rejected thus far. It'll probably get annihilated (if it does) tomorrow (today, technically).

Spiritgreen


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marzipanapple wrote:As someone mentioned before, this is traced. I could understand why you might not want to believe just words (as anyone could say anything). So here's some proof:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Applepie/trace.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Applepie/trace2.png

In case you can't figure out what's going on here, I opened two windows. One with the original and one with the shirt. I then dragged the original to overlay the shirt's graphic, then took a screen shot of my desktop. I did this twice. Once to line it up with the characters, and then a second time to show that the OP didn't even want to draw the sun themselves.


Exactly, marzipan'. I really hate to say anything negative about other artists' work so I overlayed the images to make sure before I even posted about the issue.

Just so everyone understands : the problem is that you -legally- can't reproduce the work of someone like Pablo Picasso. His heirs own the rights to his work and they can and do sue people for improper use of it. Woot simply wouldn't be able to print this in its current form.

splodie


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Yeah, bummer. I voted for it and then later went back to take a look at the original (I hadn't looked at it in a long time) and realized it was way to close. Before I could come back to remove my vote, Woot had done it for me.

No wonder I liked it so much.

AdderXYU


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Spiritgreen wrote:Exactly, marzipan'. I really hate to say anything negative about other artists' work so I overlayed the images to make sure before I even posted about the issue.

Just so everyone understands : the problem is that you -legally- can't reproduce the work of someone like Pablo Picasso. His heirs own the rights to his work and they can and do sue people for improper use of it. Woot simply wouldn't be able to print this in its current form.


As they should. I don't understand how copyright can expire. It's like saying that a store can be robbed from now and then so long as it's been open over a century, and you tell everyone where you got your goods.

jb2colorado


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Darquis wrote:Sorry, your logic is erroneous - it's the weekend, and 0 shirts have been rejected thus far. It'll probably get annihilated (if it does) tomorrow (today, technically).


1. correct you are, it was "annihilated"
2. my logic wasn't erroneous, I just didn't know that Woot! didn't "reject" shirts over the weekend. If my logic was erroneous, I would've said something like "Well I looked at the Sistine Chapel and it doesn't look anything like the artwork on this shirt, so there is no way it'll be rejected." That would be flawed logic.

Darquis


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jb2colorado wrote:1. correct you are, it was "annihilated"
2. my logic wasn't erroneous, I just didn't know that Woot! didn't "reject" shirts over the weekend. If my logic was erroneous, I would've said something like "Well I looked at the Sistine Chapel and it doesn't look anything like the artwork on this shirt, so there is no way it'll be rejected." That would be flawed logic.


Woot! hasn't taken it down, so it obviously fits within the parameters.

That's why I said the logic was erroneous - "they haven't taken it down yet, so therefore it's ok".

Regardless, I liked the concept and it's unfortunate that it was off topic and not original art.

EggyToast


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AdderXYU wrote:As they should. I don't understand how copyright can expire. It's like saying that a store can be robbed from now and then so long as it's been open over a century, and you tell everyone where you got your goods.


Copyright can expire because the idea of copyright is to support the notion of benefiting the public. If you keep something private, then you needn't worry about copyright -- you aren't selling anything, and the public can't see it.

As soon as it's put out for public consumption, you are contributing to the public discourse. And you can sell your work and ensure that others do not copy your work.

The catch is that the benefit granted to you -- the limit that people can not copy your work -- goes away over time. You benefit from the copyright by limiting what the public can do, but after a time that limitation no longer exists to the benefit of everyone. Not to mention that the idea of copyright is to motivate creators to release works to the public -- by granting a perpetual copyright, you end up stifling that creativity as people treat art as a lottery ticket, rather than creative expression. Artists should benefit, but they benefit from the public. After a time, the public should benefit too.

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