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Wow! How original.

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Hahahahahaha!!! Oh man. Another killer bunny + another death = RamyB's newest submission. Oh man, thanks for the laugh.

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Feh. Everyone knowns Death's cute pet is a kitty.

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Similar exist, oh wait a sec.....

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Here's the skull:


and here's a bunny with a skull:

Interestingly enough, this last shirt was rejected because "This is too similar to an existing Shirt.Woot shirt"

mjc613 wrote:Interestingly enough, this last shirt was rejected because "This is too similar to an existing Shirt.Woot shirt"

Can't convince me otherwise. I already voted 14 times!! I wantz mai rabit scul!

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I guess the only change this time is that it's a vampire bunny with the red eyes and bloody paws.

Hammylink wrote:I guess the only change this time is that it's a vampire bunny with the red eyes and bloody paws.

To everyone... I own all of the similar shirts and LOVE this one as well and will continue to add to my bunny death collection of doom until death himself comes to bring me my own killer bunny... people like similar stuff get over it... The End

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Hey! the reaper made friends with BUNNICULA!

snowbabe4u wrote:To everyone... I own all of the similar shirts and LOVE this one as well and will continue to add to my bunny death collection of doom until death himself comes to bring me my own killer bunny... people like similar stuff get over it... The End

It's fine to like stuff similar to other stuff you like. The problem is that woot has a specific rule against not printing designs similar to shirts that either they or another tshirt site have sold.

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I'm wondering how well the dark gray will show up on black. I'm guessing probably not too well, and you'll just end up seeing the two white things on the shirt.

mjc613 wrote:Wow! How original.

this.

(um, if this is sarcasm. Becauuuse this is not original. At. All.)

oh, and it's not really having anything to do with "Halloween". So, um... SHOCKER! it's also not really on theme, IMO.

I GET IT!

It's like a Frankenstein's monster, crudely cobbled together out of two or more existing RamyB shirts!

How prescient!

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Fantastic, I love your designs and characters in the shirts. Cant wait to buy!

juliaL719 wrote:I GET IT!

It's like a Frankenstein's monster, crudely cobbled together out of two or more existing RamyB shirts!

How prescient!

That pretty much covers like 95% of his derby entries. He's so predictable it's hilarious. I think pretty much all of woot saw this coming and instantly knew it was them.

bluetuba wrote:That pretty much covers like 95% of his derby entries. He's so predictable it's hilarious. I think pretty much all of woot saw this coming and instantly knew it was them.

The good news is he usually only copies his own drawings from the past.

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Psh, what EVERRRRR you guys are just hating becuz Ramy iz teh otterific. I WUV ITTTTTT!!!!!11!!!!

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if the rabbit is a pet and not what will be a victim in the next panel, shouldn't it be a bit more obvious? if its a vampire or dead bunny, it should look a bit the part instead of happy go lucky no? add some fangs, a crazy eye, maybe a patch of missing skin.

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Boring, overused, etc.

Why is this even in the fog?

Doople wrote:Boring, overused, etc.

Why is this even in the fog?

It pays to have a fan base that follows you on various social media outlets.

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A lot of artists have their favorite themes and characters, I don't see a problem with that.

Diana and jasneko love drawing cats. Walmazan rocks anthromorphic objects and food. Drakxxx draws evil things with cloud borders. CMDixon often draws little people doing stuff. Ramy likes reapers and woodland animals. And it's all good.

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Rawr!.. No sense in bashing..

mjc613 wrote:The good news is he usually only copies his own drawings from the past.

Errrr...

Spiritgreen wrote:A lot of artists have their favorite themes and characters, I don't see a problem with that.

Diana and jasneko love drawing cats. Walmazan rocks anthromorphic objects and food. Drakxxx draws evil things with cloud borders. CMDixon often draws little people doing stuff. Ramy likes reapers and woodland animals. And it's all good.

Valid point. Artist have characters they conceptualized and created and use them when ever they can. I have a few characters in my library that I whip out every once in awhile (most of which are not suitable for woot:P). However, I do wish Ramyb would make his grim reaper less generic if he plans to use it over and over... like give him a big pink mohawk or something else that is noticeable. Automatically we know that it's not just the grim reaper; it is RAMYB's grim reaper.

That my 2 cents...

I wish I was surprised that this is in the fog.

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I like it. the colors work for me.

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It's boring, uninspiring, derivative, and has an entirely irrelevant emotionless bunny.


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rocketjohn wrote:It's boring, uninspiring, derivative, and has an entirely irrelevant emotionless bunny.


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I love to know which bit of my original comment you thought wasn't related to this design...

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kingwoot2008 wrote:Great.

I humbly disagree. I'm allowed to do that, right? I don't believe this is great at all.

rocketjohn wrote:I love to know which bit of my original comment you thought wasn't related to this design...

[MOD: All the missing ones.]

I think it's possibly a clashing of cultures - but never mind...

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the minute I saw this I said "oh no another long thread".....I can see what you guys mean now, this is getting pretty annoying :/

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*head-desk*

I don't want to create a fight (I haven't even read the thread, and I can tell that it's already long), so I'll just say that this design is boring. If you didn't just recycle the same, dead-eyed bunny, you might have something. As it stands, the blood on the bunny is barely noticeable, and there's nothing menacing about it to imply its purpose.

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I think the design is cute and is similar to other things done but its well done to say the least. I wonder if he and his designs weren't popular would this design be fogged.
Well good for him for having a following at the very least. I can't say I have the same.
I don't know if I would want or not want the hate and negative attetion Ramyb gets with each of his submissions.

midgerock wrote:I wonder if he and his designs weren't popular would this design be fogged.
Well good for him for having a following at the very least.

No one denies his designs are popular. That's not a question, nor has it ever been. His designs are very popular. The question is whether or not they are good. Popular doesn't equal good, and often means not good at all.

I'm aware that "good" is subjective. But the Twilight and movies are immensely popular. Taco Bell sells the most tacos. I think of RamyB's designs in the same way.

jmmbell1987 wrote:I don't want to create a fight (I haven't even read the thread, and I can tell that it's already long), so I'll just say that this design is boring. If you didn't just recycle the same, dead-eyed bunny, you might have something. As it stands, the blood on the bunny is barely noticeable, and there's nothing menacing about it to imply its purpose.

Wow, I have to admit I didn't even see the carnivorous bunny angle - another overdone theme - cute/fluffy/normally-herbivorous-but-in-this-case-meat-eater.

The worst thing is that it reminded me of the Vorpal Bunny from MPatHG when I realised. Damn you ramy for polluting the glorious Pythons.

kylemittskus wrote:What about it is well done?

jmmbell1987 wrote:No one denies his designs are popular. That's not a question, nor has it ever been. His designs are very popular. The question is whether or not they are good. Popular doesn't equal good, and often means not good at all.

I'm aware that "good" is subjective. But the Twilight and movies are immensely popular. Taco Bell sells the most tacos. I think of RamyB's designs in the same way.

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Oh man, this is *such* a good design that I'll have to make sure to vote for all of the other fogged entries before Thursday.

midgerock wrote:Hi.
My name is John.
I am new to woot.
I am also new to this RamyB hate thread fest which has happened every week since I got here.
Please don't feel I am here to argue or take part in this fiasco.
I was merely acknowledging the design and commenting.
Have a good day, sirs... or maams.

My question was serious. I don't deny that Ramy has skills. I just see none in this entry.

midgerock wrote:Hi.
My name is John.
I am new to woot.
I am also new to this RamyB hate thread fest which has happened every week since I got here.
Please don't feel I am here to argue or take part in this fiasco.
I was merely acknowledging the design and commenting.
Have a good day, sirs... or maams.

Not a problem, and fair enough.

All the best.

sTyLeS wrote:It pays to have a fan base that follows you on various social media outlets.

In the end, is that really how to win here? I'm pretty new to the derby, and my designs aren't exactly "A" material, but it's discouraging to see folks jump up 100 votes in a matter of hours.

kevlar51 wrote:In the end, is that really how to win here? I'm pretty new to the derby, and my designs aren't exactly "A" material, but it's discouraging to see folks jump up 100 votes in a matter of hours.

I dunno. I'm relatively new here myself. But it does help to pimp your submission outside of woot if you're able. Although, I'm not on Facebook or Twitter, but even if I were nobody would be following me anyway...so that's of no use.

sharkswithlasers349 wrote:Oh man, this is *such* a good design that I'll have to make sure to vote for all of the other fogged entries before Thursday.

That's what I do a lot of the weeks.

OK I finally get it. I joined in April and have around 20 shirts, mostly patrickpens, spiritgreen, draxx/crescentdebris, walmazan - I always thought ramyb designs were OK, not sure why there was so much fuss.

This is the first time I wish ramyb hadn't entered. The theme is coming up with some great entries; ramy's entry is such a rehash, and in the fog.

I would say some of the quality designers here should consider more shirt colors (getting a bit tired of the brown/black/gray, and now green).

Perhaps 1-6 months is really the peak experience period for shirt.woot. But I am going to stick around and buy more shirts.. the second chance derby's seem to be the best picks imho.

sharkswithlasers349 wrote:Oh man, this is *such* a good design that I'll have to make sure to vote for all of the other fogged entries before Thursday.

^THIS

cerijerome wrote: ...getting a bit tired of the brown/black/gray, and now green...

Well, I may not speak for everyone, but when I put a design on red, orange, or any other color than the ones you mentioned, people don't vote for it or recommend resubmitting it on a different color.

From my point of view, it isn't blame the artist; it's blame the voters (at least the majority of voters).

But eh... What can we do?

snowbabe4u wrote:To everyone... I own all of the similar shirts and LOVE this one as well and will continue to add to my bunny death collection of doom until death himself comes to bring me my own killer bunny... people like similar stuff get over it... The End

Snowbabe, the issue is not about whether these shirts are enjoyable. The issue for me is whether the rules for the derby were broken. I already pointed out that another shirt by Lucky1988 was too close to one from a previous derby, and it was rejected. I believe this shirt is in the same category. I am not playing favorites, and I am not hating. I am merely looking for a level playing field for all the artists.

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Every time Hallowoot rolls around, I get excited. Usually some great shirts. Then I see something like this in the fog, and die a little inside. What about this is Halloween?

great designs having to struggle to get a vote for top quality artwork it's pretty unfair compared to the cr(x)pload of votes this mediocrity is getting. Totally disappointed if it prints

About the good artists not designing on shirts other than black, asphalt, and brown-- it's because they don't get the votes. People (albeit by only a small margin, statistically) don't want to wear any of Woot's selection of light colored graphic tees. Lots of good designs have been hampered by this effect. You would see a lot less dark if pastel shirts were available.

I won't be voting for this entry, and neither should you.

logomachinist wrote:About the good artists not designing on shirts other than black, asphalt, and brown-- it's because they don't get the votes. People (albeit by only a small margin, statistically) don't want to wear any of Woot's selection of light colored graphic tees. Lots of good designs have been hampered by this effect. You would see a lot less dark if pastel shirts were available.

I won't be voting for this entry, and neither should you.

Good artists design on whatever shirt fits their design, because they are artists, and artists create with art in mind above sales. If you've been seeing designers who almost always use these three colors, they probably aren't great designers.

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Once again, the jealousy comes out in troves.

Jackemmenjaser wrote:Once again, the jealousy comes out in troves.

Roll out Internet Standard Argument #7: UR JUST JELLUS!

No, I'm not.

Why is the assumption that when people call a boring spade a boring spade that... we're jealous? Jealous of what? Being a one-trick pony? RamyB's got talent in there... but that's not what he shows. He shows pander. Why use what you've got and potentially lose when you can combine your lowest common denominators?

I speak for only myself, but I'm a writer. Reading the same stupid boring thing over and over is way, way more irritating than watching someone play with a different form now and then, even if it's not a total success.

AdderXYU wrote:Good artists design on whatever shirt fits their design, because they are artists, and artists create with art in mind above sales. If you've been seeing designers who almost always use these three colors, they probably aren't great designers.

Oh boy, I LOVE responding to your posts, Adder, because it always creates such controversy.

I've stated before, and I've stated again. An artist can design anything he or she likes, and call it art. I can open a paint can and throw it on my friend, and when he looks at me like he wants to murder me, I can tell him, "Get over it, it's art."

Well, I'll tell you, get over it. It's not art that YOU LIKE, and that's OK, that's what makes art subjective. Also, for you to note that good artists put art above sales says is incorrect. If you're trying to win these derbies and make money off of them, and you've got a virtually foolproof mechanic that you know people will vote for, WHY NOT DO IT??

If there is another type of art that he considers 'better' but doesn't sell well, why would he bother spending time designing them for the site, and then have them wither away to nothing. He can draw things for fun on his own time and post them in his room for his own pleasure. He's got a technique, people like his technique, people buy his shirts. Sounds pretty foolproof to me. You have no right to call somebody else's work 'not art.'

Jackemmenjaser wrote:Once again, the jealousy comes out in troves.

I don't think it's jealousy that is being displayed here, but disappointment and lack of support. Also, correct word is "droves".

AdderXYU wrote:Good artists design on whatever shirt fits their design, because they are artists, and artists create with art in mind above sales. If you've been seeing designers who almost always use these three colors, they probably aren't great designers.

Oh, yeah, absolutely-- But it's the ones that fog that people like the commenter I was responding to will notice, and dark shirts are disproportionately represented in the fog.

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http://shop.scarygoround.com/product/death-has-a-bunny-shirt

Similar shirt exists?

kinzoku wrote:http://shop.scarygoround.com/product/death-has-a-bunny-shirt

Similar shirt exists?

Same idea; VERY different execution. All that proves is that Ramy has absolutely nothing even close to a novel idea.

Another thought.

Wouldn't this design imply that death is about 3 feet tall?

Perspective!

juliaL719 wrote:Another thought.

Wouldn't this design imply that death is about 3 feet tall?

Perspective!

Death is probably a child. I think what it's trying to imply is cuteness kills. It kills these derbies for me.

rocketjohn wrote:Wow, I have to admit I didn't even see the carnivorous bunny angle - another overdone theme - cute/fluffy/normally-herbivorous-but-in-this-case-meat-eater.

The worst thing is that it reminded me of the Vorpal Bunny from MPatHG when I realised. Damn you ramy for polluting the glorious Pythons.

I disagree. I see no similarity between MP killer bunny and this sweet ball of fluff.

Perhaps the artist is trying to infer that even someone as scary as the Grim Reaper has a soft spot for an innocent white bunny.
I like it!

be10der2me wrote:I disagree. I see no similarity between MP killer bunny and this sweet ball of fluff.

Perhaps the artist is trying to infer that even someone as scary as the Grim Reaper has a soft spot for an innocent white bunny.
I like it!

You must have missed the barely noticeable blood on the bunny's feet and around its mouth. It's understandable how you could have missed said blood since it seems like an afterthought, and like the rest of the design, is lazy and pointless.

MissJamieD wrote:Last time I checked, Adder doesn't know me or the things I believe in at all.

PM'd you.

kylemittskus wrote:Same idea; VERY different execution. All that proves is that Ramy has absolutely nothing even close to a novel idea.

That was all it took in physics for any Schrodigner's Cat entry to go down. Not that I'm advocating for or against this one.

I'm of two minds. Even though I'm usually a defender of ramy... yeah, this is phoning it in and recycling his old ideas shamelessly.

On the other hand, it's recycling popular ideas of his, and no shirt along these lines currently exists for sale at Woot. And I'm hard-pressed to say that people new to the site should necessarily be deprived of the chance to have a ramy cute+death shirt.

Which is to say, it doesn't have my vote, but I won't smash my head into the wall and scream "Why God Why" like Adder when it gets printed anyway.

AcorNayho wrote:Hey! the reaper made friends with BUNNICULA!

Dude, I would love to have a Bunnicula shirt. But, you know, a design that demonstrates Bunnicula's total fuzzy, sly, multi-faceted awesomeness. (This is not it.)

this is the first time a shirt has made me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.

oh wait, except for last year's but srsly it's mai pumpkin

great work once again.

juliaL719 wrote:Roll out Internet Standard Argument #7: UR JUST JELLUS!

No, I'm not.

Why is the assumption that when people call a boring spade a boring spade that... we're jealous? Jealous of what? Being a one-trick pony? RamyB's got talent in there... but that's not what he shows. He shows pander. Why use what you've got and potentially lose when you can combine your lowest common denominators?

I speak for only myself, but I'm a writer. Reading the same stupid boring thing over and over is way, way more irritating than watching someone play with a different form now and then, even if it's not a total success.

I am jealous that I cannot get paid $1000 for churning out tshirts such as the typical shirt featured above. Take that as you will.

Gets my vote. Not sure I could wear it, but my kids could.

[MOD SNIP: And I will snip that comment out every time as it is meant only to incite flaming.]

It's actually pretty hard to be all that original when it comes to Halloween.

You guys are just picking a fight because its Ramyb.

I don't understand why I don't see any posts of "A tag along" being they same shirt as the "Impostor", but a million here. They may be wearing ghost costumes instead of penguin suits but its the SAME SHIRT. Compositionally, stylistically, even its humor point is the same. Where are the flamers?

Honestly, I looked at the examples you guys posted for this one being "similar". I'm sorry, it isn't compositionally or even its humor point. Perhaps stylistically, but it's the same artist, that is to be expected.

Instead of dissing Ramyb, I wish the people here would actually contribute by finding true transgressors.

Pineapplesf wrote:

Instead of dissing Ramyb, I wish the people here would actually contribute by finding true transgressors.

Dude but you don't even want to lob that grenade of "the person you are defending is a known transgressor who breaks ethical rules, never mind contest rules."

Jackemmenjaser wrote:Once again, the jealousy comes out in troves.

You're right. In my heart of hearts, I wish I could come up with something this full of buttafuoco and make money off of it from rubes who will defend anything so long as it makes money.

SirSquinty wrote: An artist can design anything he or she likes, and call it art. I can open a paint can and throw it on my friend, and when he looks at me like he wants to murder me, I can tell him, "Get over it, it's art."

You could tell him that, sure. And you'd be wrong. Look, just because Adder's analogies are often ridiculous doesn't mean you have to respond with arguments that make even _less_ sense.

juliaL719 wrote:Dude but you don't even want to lob that grenade of "the person you are defending is a known transgressor who breaks ethical rules, never mind contest rules."

Is he doing it NOW? Does it apply here? No. It doesn't.

There is ACTUALLY someone who stole someone else's concept and artwork and no one has said anything because they are bashing someone who isn't actually breaking rules. To me, this is a shame and downright awful. There seems to be some priorities messed up.

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pretty similar to this http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=35477

Pineapplesf wrote:Is he doing it NOW? Does it apply here? No. It doesn't.

There is ACTUALLY someone who stole someone else's concept and artwork and no one has said anything because they are bashing someone who isn't actually breaking rules. To me, this is a shame and downright awful. There seems to be some priorities messed up.

If you are not committing a crime now, you are still a criminal because you commit the crime. More so if you ALWAYS do it.

Ramy's past makes any design he enters unfit to print, because he has always been a thief, and even if he's not stealing now, he shouldn't be allowed to profit as a thief.

However, he DOES ALSO continually steal from himself, and while that's not illegal in the way many of his pieces are, it's lazy, disrespectful and not worthy of garnering a print from. And the rehashing here is pretty blatant and exact. By contrast, the tag-along is almost nothing like Impostor except that there are costumes and there's a one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other vibe. Neither of these things are new concepts by any means. However, if you want to play the uncreative card on that design, it is completely similar in concept, though not remotely in execution, to a design I submit long long long ago. So if impostor is being ripped off by it, my original was ripped off by impostor, which still puts Ramy and Seki decidedly in the wrong, regardless of whether we use real logic or your logic.

Thanks for playing. Have a case of turtle wax.

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you people are ridiculous. If you spent the time you trash talk ramyb either drawing or promoting interesting shirts, I might have bought a shirt from woot in the last 6 months. This site is a black hole for creativity and it isn't all because Ramyb draws chibi death with cute animals 3 times a year. Why don't you go talk to draxx about how often he draws cthulhu or walmazan about vegetables with the same expression? Its shirt buying culture that is making creativity disappear and ramyb is a symptom not the cause. 1) people like recurrent/repetitive themes 2) people buy recurrent/repetitive themes 3) Major shirt companies encourage repetitiveness 4) Major shirt companies and artists profit 5) people who enjoy creative themes and design go to more specialized sites

am I missing a step?

beaterbar wrote:you people are ridiculous. If you spent the time you trash talk ramyb either drawing or promoting interesting shirts, I might have bought a shirt from woot in the last 6 months. This site is a black hole for creativity and it isn't all because Ramyb draws chibi death with cute animals 3 times a year. Why don't you go talk to draxx about how often he draws cthulhu or walmazan about vegetables with the same expression? Its shirt buying culture that is making creativity disappear and ramyb is a symptom not the cause. 1) people like recurrent/repetitive themes 2) people buy recurrent/repetitive themes 3) Major shirt companies encourage repetitiveness 4) Major shirt companies and artists profit 5) people who enjoy creative themes and design go to more specialized sites

am I missing a step?

So your complaining about our criticism instead of doing what you're telling us to do? Excellent! And your blaming said criticizers for the fact you haven't purchased a shirt in 6 months? Even better!

And you can't really believe your comparisons to Drakxxx and Walz, can you? Look at the current shirt for sale and come back.

kylemittskus wrote:So your complaining about our criticism instead of doing what you're telling us to do? Excellent! And your blaming said criticizers for the fact you haven't purchased a shirt in 6 months? Even better!

And you can't really believe your comparisons to Drakxxx and Walz, can you? Look at the current shirt for sale and come back.

You all are so defensive when someone criticizes your preoccupation with Ramyb. All I'm saying is you guys aren't too consistent and that beyond ramyb woot isn't that great anymore anyway. I call conceptual staleness when I see it. It doesn't matter whether the artist in question has more technical skills than ramyb or not. Walz's shirts literally all look the same and drakxxx draws cthulhu too much.

beaterbar wrote:You all are so defensive when someone criticizes your preoccupation with Ramyb. All I'm saying is you guys aren't too consistent and that beyond ramyb woot isn't that great anymore anyway. I call conceptual staleness when I see it. It doesn't matter whether the artist in question has more technical skills than ramyb or not. Walz's shirts literally all look the same and drakxxx draws cthulhu too much.

First of all, blanket statements are a bad idea.

Again, look at the shirt for sale right now and tell me that it looks the same as the rest of Walz's stuff. And Drakxxx has drawn Chtulhu once that I can remember with TGentry. The criticisms towards Ramy are about more than just boring designs. Do some reading and maybe you'll understand.

And beyond that, a lot of us are openly critical of a lot of different aspects of shirt.woot as a whole. Defensive? No. Hate illogical and uneducated posts? Yes.

PARDON MY INTERRUPTION

You've been doing great for the most part. Just a friendly reminder to keep discussion focused on this derby entry.

Thank you. And now back to your thread.

kylemittskus wrote:First of all, blanket statements are a bad idea.

Again, look at the shirt for sale right now and tell me that it looks the same as the rest of Walz's stuff. And Drakxxx has drawn Chtulhu once that I can remember with TGentry. The criticisms towards Ramy are about more than just boring designs. Do some reading and maybe you'll understand.

And beyond that, a lot of us are openly critical of a lot of different aspects of shirt.woot as a whole. Defensive? No. Hate illogical and uneducated posts? Yes.

I know all of the complaints about ramyb, and they honestly don't bother me very much. He seems like someone I probably wouldn't want to hang out with if I was into making friends with anime artists. Doesn't make a difference for his artwork, which as far as I'm concerned is no worse or stale than 85% or more of what woot prints. I won't buy it and I am physically disgusted when I get it in a random, but coincidentally not as disgusted as when I get one of Tgentry's stale star wars or back to the future references. Draxxx drew "Call of cthuhlu" "Hai there I can haz your planet" and most recently "Cthuhlu's cookies." How's that for educated?

beaterbar wrote:I know all of the complaints about ramyb, and they honestly don't bother me very much. He seems like someone I probably wouldn't want to hang out with if I was into making friends with anime artists. Doesn't make a difference for his artwork, which as far as I'm concerned is no worse or stale than 85% or more of what woot prints. I won't buy it and I am physically disgusted when I get it in a random, but coincidentally not as disgusted as when I get one of Tgentry's stale star wars or back to the future references. Draxxx drew "Call of cthuhlu" "Hai there I can haz your planet" and most recently "Cthuhlu's cookies." How's that for educated?

Fair enough. Three shirts out of how many? (I only remember the ceiling one.) He has three in this derby alone. But you are still missing the number one reason Ramy garners so much rancor. It's not because his shirts are boring and it's not because he only cares about money and not art. Those are some reasons, but not the primary one.

All of that aside, I'm still confused as to what point you're trying to make. Somehow, our posts on Ramy's thread bother you? Or you want a revolution but someone else to start it and we're your men?

kylemittskus wrote:Fair enough. Three shirts out of how many? (I only remember the ceiling one.) He has three in this derby alone. But you are still missing the number one reason Ramy garners so much rancor. It's not because his shirts are boring and it's not because he only cares about money and not art. Those are some reasons, but not the primary one.

All of that aside, I'm still confused as to what point you're trying to make. Somehow, our posts on Ramy's thread bother you? Or you want a revolution but someone else to start it and we're your men?

Oh I don't really have a deep point. It just annoys me that people are so obsessed with criticizing Ramyb. The complaints are almost as predictable as the shirts at this point. Actually, they are probably more predictable. At least with ramyb you never know whether you are going to get a bunny or a squirrel. With the message board you are always going to get the same three or four criticisms, and when people point out that the message board sounds like a broken record and the same complaints could be made regarding many of the top selling artists, we inevitably hear that Ramyb has committed such foul atrocities that they cannot be spoken of in mixed company.

beaterbar wrote:Oh I don't really have a deep point. It just annoys me that people are so obsessed with criticizing Ramyb. The complaints are almost as predictable as the shirts at this point. Actually, they are probably more predictable. At least with ramyb you never know whether you are going to get a bunny or a squirrel. With the message board you are always going to get the same three or four criticisms, and when people point out that the message board sounds like a broken record and the same complaints could be made regarding many of the top selling artists, we inevitably hear that Ramyb has committed such foul atrocities that they cannot be spoken of in mixed company.

These "foul atrocities" have been spoken about countless times. The problem is that woot is now stopping those conversations from happening. See TT's post a few above this one. I don't disagree that the comments are always the same, but if the problem doesn't change, the comments wouldn't either. If they bother you so much, just don't read them. And before you (or anyone) tries to reverse that argument as why can't I just ignore Ramy's designs: the difference is that Ramy's designs stop other, more deserving (or at the very least, original) designs from winning where my comments don't really harm anything in the grand scheme of the derby.

If you have no point and are arguing just to argue, we can cease this discourse. No point in talking to someone who has nothing but pointlessness as a goal.

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. Yeah, the design is boring and pretty predictable, but the fans have spoken. That's how it works here. There are a lot of loud mouths who don't like the design, but there are enough wooters out there who do. No amount of crying/flaming on the forums is going to change peoples' minds. Work more on promoting the designs you like instead of trashing the ones you don't. It'll probably be more productive.

And yeah, I realize that trying to reason with people on the Internet is a fool's errand.

spanchenblow wrote:Don't hate the player, hate the game. Yeah, the design is boring and pretty predictable, but the fans have spoken. That's how it works here. There are a lot of loud mouths who don't like the design, but there are enough wooters out there who do. No amount of crying/flaming on the forums is going to change peoples' minds. Work more on promoting the designs you like instead of trashing the ones you don't. It'll probably be more productive.

And yeah, I realize that trying to reason with people on the Internet is a fool's errand.

1) The game sucks. That means the people who play it suck more. If no one played the game, it wouldn't exist.

2) No amount of reasonable discussion is going to change anyone's mind either. The point you are missing is that these people are wrong in voting for it in the first place. It doesn't matter that they like it. It doesn't deserve to print.

3) Promoting good designs doesn't do two things. It doesn't change people wanting a terrible one, and it doesn't make the terrible one more deserving of a win if it wins. Or more on topic. Or more original. Actually, promoting a favorite design really does nothing more or less positive so long as an undeserving one exists.

4) The fact that you think this is a matter of simple whining proves your comment that reasoning with people on the internet is foolish. It just proves it in an opposite way than you thought.

AdderXYU wrote:... general whining, blanket statements, the sky is falling, etc. ...

Grow up and go find a cause worthy of getting worked up over. "ZOMG HOW COULD THEY PRINT THAT T-SHIRT INSTEAD OF THIS T-SHIRT" is not an altogether compelling call to revolution. I understand your complaints (I think I audibly groaned when I saw this design in the fog), but just let people have their fun. You should try to have some too instead of pissing in Ramyb's cheerios. Ramyb knows how to make a winning design. Good for him/her...good for woot...and bad for you. Well, 'bad' if you define the word as 'I won't be able to spend $10 on a t-shirt I really wanted'. Get over it.

kevlar51 wrote:In the end, is that really how to win here? I'm pretty new to the derby, and my designs aren't exactly "A" material, but it's discouraging to see folks jump up 100 votes in a matter of hours.

Many of those getting those votes are veterans both here and at threadless, so yes they are well known. You may want to try entering some dailies, and try to drum up some fans on deviantart if you're not already.
If you look through past derbys (use the blog, I think it's the easiest way) you will see more variety of artists printing than a Ramby thread suggests.
People also bemoan when a text centric design prints (like I heart math). What usually trumps here is geekyness.

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Just a little unsolicited advice to people who want "art" on their shirts...

Capitalism is the death of art. Are the t-shirts that sell stale and banal? Of course. As is much of popular music, popular t.v. etc. When the goal of any artist is to get paid, the resulting submission is going to be that which has the greatest appeal to the most people. Unique, edgy, interesting? Art that serves as a mirror to society or promotes thought, or is simply beautiful? That is what you will find on the canvas of every artist that has never achieved true financial success as a result of their art.

The appeal of Woot is that it seems to promote the independent artist. It drags them from the muck of obscurity and allows them to reveal their ideas to the public. They can be seen, have the merit of their work judged by their peers, and if they are very good and very lucky, might actually profit from it.

Ultimately, though, it is still about money. The masses still want what is easy, comfortable, and familiar...it attracts, it prints, it sells, and the "artists" still languish.

Curse RamyB for his sins of the past if you want...but in THIS submission, his only crime is giving the people what they want.

AdderXYU wrote:
2) No amount of reasonable discussion is going to change anyone's mind either. The point you are missing is that these people are wrong in voting for it in the first place. It doesn't matter that they like it. It doesn't deserve to print.

Who the heck are you to tell people that they are wrong in voting for a shirt which they desire and which Woot has not rejected?

I don't care for RamyB's drawing style and his overused cliches, so I don't vote for his designs. But I wouldn't think of telling someone else not to vote for a design I don't care for.

I've seen you and other Wooters stretch week after week in a (usually) vain attempt to get his designs rejected for one reason or another, and I'll be honest with you: to an impartial observer (myself, my wife, and some of our shirt-loving friends) it looks like you guys are grasping at straws.

Sure, I get disappointed when a shirt like this prints and something I really wanted goes by the wayside. But I don't go kicking and screaming about it. People vote for what they like. People have bad taste. This is not news.

Adder, it really seems like you in particular have an unhealthy fixation with RamyB's "artwork". I'll tell you what: why don't you come over, we'll eat japanese snacks and watch Monty Python's Flying Circus. You'll forget all about that awful RamyB.

tortamus wrote:Who the heck are you to tell people that they are wrong in voting for a shirt which they desire and which Woot has not rejected?

I don't care for RamyB's drawing style and his overused cliches, so I don't vote for his designs. But I wouldn't think of telling someone else not to vote for a design I don't care for.

I've seen you and other Wooters stretch week after week in a (usually) vain attempt to get his designs rejected for one reason or another, and I'll be honest with you: to an impartial observer (myself, my wife, and some of our shirt-loving friends) it looks like you guys are grasping at straws.

Sure, I get disappointed when a shirt like this prints and something I really wanted goes by the wayside. But I don't go kicking and screaming about it. People vote for what they like. People have bad taste. This is not news.

Adder, it really seems like you in particular have an unhealthy fixation with RamyB's "artwork". I'll tell you what: why don't you come over, we'll eat japanese snacks and watch Monty Python's Flying Circus. You'll forget all about that awful RamyB.

What you all seem to miss is that this has nothing to do with what I want to buy. It is about poor work getting profit while good work loses.

So who am I to say what should be rejected? Someone who knows woot's rules, someone who understands that art is about originality and creativity, someone who believes someone who has stolen work multiple times has no right to ever profit from future work, someone who realizes that in a weak economy, a site that is pulling in thousands of dollars even on a rough day should be working to help its designers instead of allowing lazy work and stolen reference to gain rewards. If no one else is grasping these simple facts, I have no qualms laying them out. This isn't about me not caring for the work, though I think it's pretty inarguable that it's poorly done. There is far more to it, and far more that is not opinion. I have every right to say people should not vote for something when I have factual evidence to show why.

Of course, to the average eye this may look like grasping at straws, just as to the uneducated, "Global Warming" means we no longer have cold days. But most people who care to pay attention start noticing that I'm right. I don't need you to agree with me now. You either will understand in time, or don't care enough about artistic ethics and business ethics to follow my argument.

Someone else above said that capitalism is the death of art. That's incredibly foolish and defeatist. It's certainly arguable given designs like these... the desire for profit is what allows something so trashy to exist, and the inability of the average American to grasp artistry and creativity will make work like this flourish unless we fight against it. But we as humans ALWAYS have a choice to not go full-hog capitalist. We can start a business that DOES support art for its own sake, and struggle to make it work, because we care about it. And if we can do this, so too could woot do this. There is simply no excuse to NOT do it. Art and capitalism don't go hand in hand, so if you wish to sell art of any level, you cannot go about it in a capitalist way. That is what I'm fighting for. Not my own closet. It is plenty full as it is. But a culture that understands artistic worth. It is indeed not news that people have bad taste. Apparently what is news is that NO ONE has to cater to those people. And if we have any respect for art and for artists, we won't just take it as status quo and What Is Done that capitalism must be at the root of all business. It can be done other ways. People have done it. Most people just get too greedy to keep it that way.

If it seems people have an inordinate obsession with Ramy, it's because he is simply the worst of the bunch. Well, the worst of the bunch who hasn't already been banned. But if you keep boiling it down to "don't be upset you're not getting the shirts you want to buy," you're never going to understand why anyone cares.

spanchenblow wrote:Grow up and go find a cause worthy of getting worked up over. "ZOMG HOW COULD THEY PRINT THAT T-SHIRT INSTEAD OF THIS T-SHIRT" is not an altogether compelling call to revolution. I understand your complaints (I think I audibly groaned when I saw this design in the fog), but just let people have their fun. You should try to have some too instead of pissing in Ramyb's cheerios. Ramyb knows how to make a winning design. Good for him/her...good for woot...and bad for you. Well, 'bad' if you define the word as 'I won't be able to spend $10 on a t-shirt I really wanted'. Get over it.

I think your puerile attempt to mock what Adder says enough about how the rest of your post should be read. Nevertheless, I'll argue anyway, knowing damn well you won't care to understand. Or if you do, do a little digging before you say that Adder's posts are about quality alone.

This isn't about "fun." This is about a potential LARGE amount of money. This is the same argument as "it's just a shirt" but in different words. It's not just a shirt and it's not just about fun.

kylemittskus wrote:I think your puerile attempt to mock what Adder says enough about how the rest of your post should be read. Nevertheless, I'll argue anyway, knowing damn well you won't care to understand. Or if you do, do a little digging before you say that Adder's posts are about quality alone.

This isn't about "fun." This is about a potential LARGE amount of money. This is the same argument as "it's just a shirt" but in different words. It's not just a shirt and it's not just about fun.

So you're saying that Adder cares about the money, yet blasts RamyB for having a winning formula? If you value commercial success, then you need to do what it takes to win. If that means cranking out uninspired but popular designs in order to make a quick buck, then shouldn't we be applauding RamyB?

spanchenblow wrote:So you're saying that Adder cares about the money, yet blasts RamyB for having a winning formula? If you value commercial success, then you need to do what it takes to win. If that means cranking out uninspired but popular designs in order to make a quick buck, then shouldn't we be applauding RamyB?

You are completely missing my point.

AdderXYU wrote:If you are not committing a crime now, you are still a criminal because you commit the crime. More so if you ALWAYS do it.

Ramy's past makes any design he enters unfit to print, because he has always been a thief, and even if he's not stealing now, he shouldn't be allowed to profit as a thief.

However, he DOES ALSO continually steal from himself, and while that's not illegal in the way many of his pieces are, it's lazy, disrespectful and not worthy of garnering a print from. And the rehashing here is pretty blatant and exact. By contrast, the tag-along is almost nothing like Impostor except that there are costumes and there's a one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other vibe. Neither of these things are new concepts by any means. However, if you want to play the uncreative card on that design, it is completely similar in concept, though not remotely in execution, to a design I submit long long long ago. So if impostor is being ripped off by it, my original was ripped off by impostor, which still puts Ramy and Seki decidedly in the wrong, regardless of whether we use real logic or your logic.

Thanks for playing. Have a case of turtle wax.

the great thing about his shirts now, Is that woot and wooters are starting to knock this stuff out of the fog. before it's printed. at least lately,I can't remember the last time one of his shirts took 1st.

beaterbar wrote:Doesn't make a difference for his artwork, which as far as I'm concerned is no worse or stale than 85% or more of what woot prints. I won't buy it and I am physically disgusted when I get it in a random, but coincidentally not as disgusted as when I get one of Tgentry's stale star wars or back to the future references.

You mean TGentry's one Star Wars reference, and one Back to the Future reference?

Yeah, try grasping at some other straws.

Re: Killer New Pet

This makes me want to vomit.

KIDA26 wrote:This makes me want to vomit.

Two buckets please

juliaL719 wrote:
I speak for only myself, but I'm a writer. Reading the same stupid boring thing over and over is way, way more irritating than watching someone play with a different form now and then, even if it's not a total success.

Does this define irony? Isn't writing the same boring crap about how much everyone hates this artist...kind of boring and redundant too?

Yep. Sure is.

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Hey look! It's just one more reason I've lost hope in Woot and moved on to Teefury.

RaveDroid wrote:Hey look! It's just one more reason I've lost hope in Woot and moved on to Teefury.

Really?

Teefury makes woot look like the Louvre. There is no site on the internet that defecates on other people's intellectual property rights like Teefury does. Woot sucks, but at least they will potentially pull a design if it's clearly a traced photo, or reject the occasional non-parody reference.

AdderXYU wrote:Really?

Teefury makes woot look like the Louvre. There is no site on the internet that defecates on other people's intellectual property rights like Teefury does. Woot sucks, but at least they will potentially pull a design if it's clearly a traced photo, or reject the occasional non-parody reference.

QFT. Olechka comes to mind...

Thank you god!!! Yessssss you answered my prayers!!! I just CANNOT go on without another killer bunny tee! Phew, just in time too!

Ramy, you are the BEST. May you flood woot with killer bunnies in every other derby.

NOT. x-(

JRWorkshop wrote:Two buckets please

urgh!! 3 buckets please... this round is on me!

~Tico

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Totally reminds me of Richard from Looking for group.

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I'm buttafuocoy new to the anti ramyb train. ever since i got burned with that crappy (death on a little horse in front of a playground) shirt. once i saw how badly the colors clashed it went from being an otterific shirt to my new car wash rag. this shirt i feel will end up the same way. too many dark colors will just end up with a few small white blobs from far away.

Love your entry, regardless of what others say keep up the good work. Really hope this one makes it so i can buy it!

also your fine work in some more permanent ink!

Angel
and
Devil

chumpmagic wrote:Well, I may not speak for everyone, but when I put a design on red, orange, or any other color than the ones you mentioned, people don't vote for it or recommend resubmitting it on a different color.

From my point of view, it isn't blame the artist; it's blame the voters (at least the majority of voters).

But eh... What can we do?

i would have to say this is very true, from my point of view if i love the art but not the colour i wont buy it. And i dont blame the artist all shirt colours have to be different or we would all get bored but some of the colours make me think ugh >.< lol

thurdl01 wrote:It's fine to like stuff similar to other stuff you like. The problem is that woot has a specific rule against not printing designs similar to shirts that either they or another tshirt site have sold.

No the problem is woot rarely enforces the rules. Last derby we had a no-dialogue and no extraneous text rule...both of which were clearly broken in 2 of the 3 winners.

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They shirt works! Killer Rabbit from Monty Python meets the Reaper and it turns out is his pet doing his bidding? Well done.

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That scythe looks.... like it's loosing its excitement. 'Tis quite droopy.

PriNT wrote:Totally reminds me of Richard from Looking for group.

Ugh.

Love the webcomic... Hate the fact that this horrible design reminds anybody of characters from it.

You know characters drawn with talent and detail instead of rerun characters from former Ramy shirts.

I think the bunny is kinda cool. lol
But anyway, the shirt looks really cool
But the Vampire photo booth is stil my favorite

JesseBYAH wrote:That scythe looks.... like it's loosing its excitement. 'Tis quite droopy.

Oh wow. If I had voted for this, that would have made me need to remove my vote. With that much curve, the scythe is very unweildy and it also makes the drawing very sloppily executed.

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this forum is hilarious. RamyB you troll without trying and I applaud the fact that you pull it off so well.
To everyone else, you have to know that ramyb gets more hits because you tater about it. His designs are profitable for woot,and they aren't going to throw out this design. Honestly I look at Ramy's designs just to skim the forum, its pure comedy.

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Oh great, a bunny. I wouldn't have noticed the red on it if not for the comments. Also droopy scythe.

jmmbell1987 wrote:Popular doesn't equal good, and often means not good at all.

Yeah, it's kind of the in thing to go against the majority. A very popular social stance these days.

Esoteric1081 wrote:Yeah, it's kind of the in thing to go against the majority. A very popular social stance these days.

That doesn't make sense.

Cranky McTrollerton wrote:trolltrolltrollimatrolllalalala

Maybe i should have included that they're perfect for me ... being they they were a gift for being 1 year cancer free.
But hey what little humanity i have left i'll be sure to wear it with pride in a top where i can show off my tattoos.

dribbles wrote:Maybe i should have included that they're perfect for me ... being they they were a gift for being 1 year cancer free.
But hey what little humanity i have left i'll be sure to wear it with pride in a top where i can show off my tattoos.

Oh come on now.

Congratulations for surviving cancer. That's legit otterific.

But we on the forum did not know that, so don't set people up so as to make them look like they kicked the dog.

dribbles wrote:Maybe i should have included that they're perfect for me ... being they they were a gift for being 1 year cancer free.
But hey what little humanity i have left i'll be sure to wear it with pride in a top where i can show off my tattoos.

Now I'm even more confused. Being cancer free for a year is otterific and hopefully will continue, but why would you commemorate it by permanently putting cancer on your body? Seems to me like a mixed metaphor.

juliaL719 wrote:Oh come on now.

Congratulations for surviving cancer. That's legit otterific.

But we on the forum did not know that, so don't set people up so as to make them look like they kicked the dog.

Maybe people could just stop the personal attacks altogether? I know it's a wild idea, but it could be fun.

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here's a crazy thought for everyone opposed to Ramyb's designs, ethics, and whatever else under the sun... i.e. I hate how he parts his hair, or how he smells like sardines. How about after this derby everyone just stops posting comments on his design? Call it a test of sorts. Will his design do as well if there was no drama? I have to agree with an earlier poster who stated the main reason this design gets votes and every other design RamyB puts up is that people like the drama caused by seeing his design get fogged so quickly. I purpose that everyone just hold comments and see what plays out. Now I know Adder and others may disagree... go figure, but I think its worth testing. Just try it. Try not to post on his design any comment.
And if the results don't show then everyone can go back fighting the "good" fight.

midgerock wrote:here's a crazy thought for everyone opposed to Ramyb's designs, ethics, and whatever else under the sun... i.e. I hate how he parts his hair, or how he smells like sardines. How about after this derby everyone just stops posting comments on his design? Call it a test of sorts. Will his design do as well if there was no drama? I have to agree with an earlier poster who stated the main reason this design gets votes and every other design RamyB puts up is that people like the drama caused by seeing his design get fogged so quickly. I purpose that everyone just hold comments and see what plays out. Now I know Adder and others may disagree... go figure, but I think its worth testing. Just try it. Try not to post on his design any comment.
And if the results don't show then everyone can go back fighting the "good" fight.

This is a common claim, but I don't think it's possible. A fraction of the voters and shirt buyers actually read these posts or know/care anything about the artists or the woot community. Ramyb panders to the lowest common denominator and this combined with his "fanclub" or whatever is what gets him votes and wins him derbies despite the uninspired repetative lazy nature of his work.

And that's not even brining up the conspiracy theories about the wonder twins owning mass accounts and just doing it themselves.

Drama in a thread will not cause an entry to win or lose short of Woot rejecting it. It just doesn't effect a large enough percentage of the base.

bluetuba wrote:This is a common claim, but I don't think it's possible. A fraction of the voters and shirt buyers actually read these posts or know/care anything about the artists or the woot community. Ramyb panders to the lowest common denominator and this combined with his "fanclub" or whatever is what gets him votes and wins him derbies despite the uninspired repetative lazy nature of his work.

And that's not even brining up the conspiracy theories about the wonder twins owning mass accounts and just doing it themselves.

Drama in a thread will not cause an entry to win or lose short of Woot rejecting it. It just doesn't effect a large enough percentage of the base.

I can understand that but has it been tested the coorelation of the drama to the design being fogged? Just wondering. If it has then I conceed to your point. Because from what I see this design is no different than any of the other okay designs submitted, mine included. Just sayin'

zed

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Similar shirt exists.

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Death holding a bunny.

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Let's just kill everyone and start anew.

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aw I'm tired of seeing designs with bunnies and or death. Other people seem to love this stuff though.

It's the Monty Python rabbit! :D

Spiritgreen wrote:A lot of artists have their favorite themes and characters, I don't see a problem with that.

Diana and jasneko stab drawing cats. Walmazan rocks anthromorphic objects and food. Drakxxx draws evil things with cloud borders. CMDixon often draws little people doing stuff. Ramy likes reapers and woodland animals. And it's all good.

It's not that he draws bunnies that's the problem. It's that he draws them badly, with no sense of concept. This design has no concept other than "slap two elements I've used before on a shirt and call it a day".

Trying to lump those other artists is missing the point by miles. Walmazan, CMDixon, and Drakxxx would never draw a conceptless piece like this. If it was a reaper and a desk lamp, it would still be terrible (though possibly better, in that case).

jmmbell1987 wrote:It's not that he draws bunnies that's the problem. It's that he draws them badly, with no sense of concept. This design has no concept other than "slap two elements I've used before on a shirt and call it a day".

Trying to lump those other artists is missing the point by miles. Walmazan, CMDixon, and Drakxxx would never draw a conceptless piece like this. If it was a reaper and a desk lamp, it would still be terrible (though possibly better, in that case).

Sike, Drakxxx draws the same The Touch of Satan (1971)over and over again. All the things she said running through my head running through my head

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Wow, people, get over it. There's really nothing new under the sun. If a person wants to enter something that is, apparently, their specialty, so be it. Millions of people like Pepsi. I don't. That's not to say that it's bad, it's just not to my taste. If you really want to be a critic, you must first learn to be objective.