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Although I feel that coffee is generally over-advertised, I really like the slogan. The since 1908 is a nice touch. I would wear it.

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Am I the only one in the world who uses cola as there gate way to cafffffffeeeeeeeinneee? Well, I have a friend who would love this so GMV.

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Love the image, the idea is totally something I would wear... but I just can't vote for it because of the text on the bottom half. The "curing the mondays..." text is off center, and really? Times new roman for the "Warning..." text? That just reads lazy to me. If you resubmit, I'll vote. As it is, I just couldn't wear this.

bluejester wrote:Am I the only one in the world who uses cola as there gate way to cafffffffeeeeeeeinneee? Well, I have a friend who would love this so GMV.

I prefer Mountain Dew.

bellisperennis wrote:Love the image, the idea is totally something I would wear... but I just can't vote for it because of the text on the bottom half. The "curing the mondays..." text is off center, and really? Times new roman for the "Warning..." text? That just reads lazy to me. If you resubmit, I'll vote. As it is, I just couldn't wear this.

I have to agree. The off-center text bothers me.

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Hey, another one that didn't immediately say 'Ramy' from the thumb - nice!

I agree, though - the wording is off-center along the bottom. It could nudge over to the right a little bit and center up a little better. And I'd go slightly smaller and italicize the warning. (I'm cool with the font there, though - Times looks institutional like a warning might.)

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This is unbelievably sloppy. The Astrix is way too small to ever bee seen. The first line of text at the bottom is way off center, and the second line looks like times new roman. It seems almost unreasonable to believe that so many people can overlook all of that and vote for this design.

Johndis5 wrote:This is unbelievably sloppy. The Astrix is way too small to ever bee seen. The first line of text at the bottom is way off center, and the second line looks like times new roman. It seems almost unreasonable to believe that so many people can overlook all of that and vote for this design.

You and me both. Slogan is ok but this is just poor work. Safe to bet it is going to win yet again.

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Up in the fog...
It's safe to say this will probably win

timelessblur wrote:Slogan is ok

at best.

Johndis5 wrote:The Astrix is way too small to ever bee seen.

To be honest, I thought the asterisk was a copyright symbol at first.

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Can someone explain the "1908" bit? Is that just a random number, or is there some significance?

purplefeather wrote:Can someone explain the "1908" bit? Is that just a random number, or is there some significance?

This maybe? Also, wasn't decaf patented around that time? I really don't know for sure. It could even relate more to the industrial revolutions since" the mondays" is kind of a work/ 9 to 5 thing.

Also, I will admit that the off-"centerness" of this design bugs me and seems like a bad judgment of space rather than a intentional design choice. However, the default text, the roman times does not. The only argument I have seen against that text is that it is overused. Isn't it overused, and even set at a default, for a reason? I would assume so, and I would also assume that reason would be that it is familiar, legible, universal.... successful. Granted, I am no graphic design and nor to I care to be, but in my mind, if it works, then use it. Can anyone honestly say it looks bad or out of place? I think it fits in well, especially considering that it's a warning message.

O well, that my spiel on the whole hoopla...

Johndis5 wrote:This is unbelievably sloppy. The Astrix is way too small to ever bee seen. The first line of text at the bottom is way off center, and the second line looks like times new roman. It seems almost unreasonable to believe that so many people can overlook all of that and vote for this design.

Way off center? What? You clearly have a vendetta against RamyB and will find ANYTHING to point out flaws on any of his designs. Look, the hating is getting old.

It's completely nitpicking at best. I don't see it being off centered at all, let alone WAY off centered.

IF this design had been submitted by ANYONE else, you would NOT have made these comments. Guaranteed!

Johndis5 wrote:This is unbelievably sloppy. The Astrix is way too small to ever bee seen. The first line of text at the bottom is way off center, and the second line looks like times new roman. It seems almost unreasonable to believe that so many people can overlook all of that and vote for this design.

It's not unreasonable at all--slight off-centeredness aside, I think the coffee graphic is really nice. Very well done. If I were a coffee drinker (or my work week actually began on a Monday) I would totally consider voting for it.

Also, I think that you mean "asterisk".

renegadetim wrote:Way off center? What? You clearly have a vendetta against RamyB and will find ANYTHING to point out flaws on any of his designs. Look, the hating is getting old.

It's completely nitpicking at best. I don't see it being off centered at all, let alone WAY off centered.

IF this design had been submitted by ANYONE else, you would NOT have made these comments. Guaranteed!

Look, measure it if you need to, but the first line of text on the bottom is undeniably off center. That has nothing to do with opinion. It's just a fact, kind of like 5 is greater than 4.

I don't care who made it, if I saw a design that was this sloppily put together, I would call it. Check my comment history, buddy, I went on a tirade telling someone else that they had no business baselessly attacking ramy. Maybe you should do a little research before you make ridiculous accusations.

nerdra wrote:It's not unreasonable at all--slight off-centeredness aside, I think the coffee graphic is really nice. Very well done. If I were a coffee drinker (or my work week actually began on a Monday) I would totally consider voting for it.

Also, I think that you mean "asterisk".

Spelling correction acknowledged. I always lean towards the "X". Mostly because I'm so hardcore. ;)

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Tea is better.
It is for gentlemen.

renegadetim wrote:
It's completely nitpicking at best. I don't see it being off centered at all, let alone WAY off centered.

I'm a Ramy fan. I fully agree that it's off-center. If it were a headline I was laying out, I'd be bumping it over to the right a few points so it sits evenly under the header.

I took a Post-It note and put it to my screen with the edge against the edge of the lower text block on the left, then marked the edge of the upper text. When you move it to the other side of the text blocks, there's a definite difference.

Trust me, I'm an editor and layout guy, that's what I do. It's off-center. Maybe they can fix it before printing? I dunno.

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The bottom text is absolutely off center. Now that I see it, I can't take it.

This design is one I would wear - but not until it's centered properly. I can't hang - I'm the person that levels top and side of a picture while hanging...

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I know it's not constructive and I'm new here but I don't get why this one is doing so well. Despite the rampant debate about talent etc I usually at least get a smile from a Ramyb design. All this shirt got out of me was a yawn.

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The graphic is nice but I agree the text is not centered... once you see it, you can not unsee it. Don't know if that's possible to fix without a resub.

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I actually sort of like this for a few reasons:

1) It doesn't reuse thematic/graphical elements that ramyb tends to lean on.
2) The drawing is spiffy.
3) Coffee rules.

I don't mind the font used--it fits the design. It's also hardly the only slogan that doesn't use artist-rendered lettering. The off-centeredness is more of an issue, but even that might be forgiven were it not for the slogan . . . "curing the mondays"? It just reminds me of the people from Office Space, the ones who talk about "a case of the Mondays". It doesn't seem to be mocking those people, but rather advertising the wearer _as_ one of those people.

I like the disclaimer and the graphical elements, but if one coffee design were to win this derby, I'd love to see the one advertising black coffee.

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I can do a Google search and find a half dozen examples of coffee/Monday slogans - how is this unoriginal and flawed (hello lack of centering) worth the fog?

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See ramyb this is an original design. I actually like it a lot. You should try not doing animals for a while. You're actually good at it. Now the gummi bears on the other hand...

qwasdfz wrote:See ramyb this is an original design. I actually like it a lot. You should try not doing animals for a while. You're actually good at it. Now the gummi bears on the other hand...

What's original? The color scheme and layout?
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=37124

Nope

How about the subject?
http://tshirtgroove.com/tag/coffee/

Hmm, not that either.

How incomplete and sloppy it is?
http://www.shirtwhat.com/archive_a.php?artist=ramyb&derby=&rejected=0&removed=0&sort=D

Strike three.... I give up.

Johndis5 wrote:Look, measure it if you need to, but the first line of text on the bottom is undeniably off center. That has nothing to do with opinion. It's just a fact, kind of like 5 is greater than 4.

I don't care who made it, if I saw a design that was this sloppily put together, I would call it. Check my comment history, buddy, I went on a tirade telling someone else that they had no business baselessly attacking ramy. Maybe you should do a little research before you make ridiculous accusations.

Off center compared to what? I still don't see the warrant for the off centered complaints. IF anything is off centered it's the "COFFEE" text and not the "Monday's" text. Look at the shirt comp, measure from the side of the shirt to the first and last letter of the slogan text and tell me that it is off centered on the shirt.

Off centered compared to the "Coffee" text, MAYBE but still not way off centered in my eyes. In that case, the complaint from everyone should be that the "Coffee" should be pulled to the left a little. Because the slogan text, if moved, would then be off center on the shirt, and isn't that what we're designing here?

renegadetim wrote:Off center compared to what?

The center.

Johndis5 wrote:The center.

ha

Johndis5 wrote:The center.

this post needs to be added to the faq, stickied or at least get a quality post.

Johndis5 wrote:What's original? The color scheme and layout?
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=37124

Nope

How about the subject?
http://tshirtgroove.com/tag/coffee/

Hmm, not that either.

How incomplete and sloppy it is?
http://www.shirtwhat.com/archive_a.php?artist=ramyb&derby=&rejected=0&removed=0&sort=D

Strike three.... I give up.

Original for him. He may be copying somebody elses idea but at least hes not copying his own. And it's better then "cooler than you" anyway.

renegadetim wrote:Off center compared to what? I still don't see the warrant for the off centered complaints.

It's off-center in the sense that the design does not adhere to its own spacing. You can see very clearly in the image that the space between the MONDAYS slogan border and the COFFEE border is much larger on the left than the right. In a properly positioned design, that space would be equal. Additionally, when drawing the dashed center line down the middle of COFFEE and again down the middle of the MONDAYS slogan, it's clear the centers do not correspond. Third, the center of the coffee cup itself doesn't lay on either center line, in fact it almost straddles the space between them. Finally, the bottoms of the letters C and E in COFFEE don't sit at the same horizontal level. This is a common error when creating arched text in Adobe programs, but can be corrected if you check for it.

So yes, the design is off-center.

qwasdfz wrote:And it's better then "cooler than you" anyway.

That's a mighty low bar you've set over there.

profbrendan wrote:It's off-center in the sense that the design does not adhere to its own spacing. You can see very clearly in the image that the space between the MONDAYS border and the COFFEE border is much larger on the left than the right. In a properly positioned design, that space would be equal. Additionally, when drawing the dashed center line down the middle of COFFEE and again down the middle of MONDAYS, it's clear the centers do not correspond. Third, the center of the coffee cup itself doesn't lay on either center line, in fact it almost straddles the space between them. Finally, the bottoms of the letters C and E in COFFEE don't sit at the same horizontal level. This is a common error when creating arched text in Adobe programs, but can be corrected if you check for it.

So yes, the design is off-center.

ur just a h8r

odysseyroc wrote:ur just a h8r

OMGGGG NO WAY! DONT B JELUS!

profbrendan wrote:OMGGGG NO WAY! DONT B JELUS!

It had to be said. I figured since it was Wed, your crit might go unnoticed. I had to make sure the universe stayed in balance.

odysseyroc wrote:It had to be said. I figured since it was Wed, your crit might go unnoticed. I had to make sure the universe stayed in balance.

Heh heh, yeah, that's true. I've no delusions that what I wrote will make any sort of difference, but I felt compelled to answer the question of centeredness (new word? I think so!) with some kind of evidence.

profbrendan wrote:Heh heh, yeah, that's true. I've no delusions that what I wrote will make any sort of difference, but I felt compelled to answer the question of centeredness (new word? I think so!) with some kind of evidence.

I agree with that. Especially since someone earlier posted that they didn't feel it was offcenter to their eyes...which makes no sense because it's not a subjective kind of thing.

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"EXHAUSTED, FORMULAIC HUMOR
Using progressive verbs to build not-so-witty slogans since an applicable date"

Really, artists. Remeber that part of the derby rules asking for "original"? Kudos for your historical knowledge of the product, I suppose. There, I said something nice.

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I consider myself to be chock-full-o-objectivity, but this is so full of "Meh" I'm shocked...SHOCKED that it fogged....oh wait...no I'm not.
The image is fine, the slogan is fail.


Also, I agree with lucksource.

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I love this image and the COFFEE text but the slogan is *really* crappy. Sorry. I would love love love to wear this shirt if it weren't for the slogan.

Pretty win I'd grab this

IndependentVik wrote:That's a mighty low bar you've set over there.

Probably about the lowest bar ever. Give that one a rezzy for unoriginality. Gawd if it wasn't for the write up on the shirt I would have stopped messing with the derby.