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It's a funny concept, but Pluto needs to be there dang it! j/k

Actually, I think my prob with it is the strings need to be hanging from something. As is, it looks like the Men's answer to problem that women face with some of their shirts. Here, instead of accidental boob shirt, we have accidental chest hair hanging.

Not meant to be rude, it just seems that way.

The big yellow one is the SUN!!!
h/t Brian Regan

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LOL! Much better! I like this one!
GMV!

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It's about time someone did a "pluto is not a planet anymore" design. I'm surprised no one thought of it before!

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Im counting ten strings and 9 planets. Someone please tell me I have poor eye sight...

Arthurbrigade wrote:Im counting ten strings and 9 planets. Someone please tell me I have poor eye sight...

Points to own name. Roger, im that guy. Sorry, other than that great shirt!

Arthurbrigade wrote:Im counting ten strings and 9 planets. Someone please tell me I have poor eye sight...

The big one is the sun, eight planets and a string....

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While this does fit the theme of the derby, it's rather ordinary. So not sure why it's garnering the votes.
The whole Pluto thing has been so overdone on every tshirt site, including woot. Nothing new...move along...

Johndis5 wrote:It's about time someone did a "pluto is not a planet anymore" design. I'm surprised no one thought of it before!

sarcastic post is sarcastic?

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Nice ramyb i actually really like this shirt! I may even buy! Congratulations on changing my opinion, taking criticism well and giving me back my childhood.

ramyb wrote:saved

I definitely see it as something you might see in an elementary science fair...but more one that was like, what, five years ago?

Plus we just had Clyde's planet design reckon (and I still want solar system goddamnit) so I can't really vote for this one. Sorry

Johndis5 wrote:It's about time someone did a "pluto is not a planet anymore" design. I'm surprised no one thought of it before!

Yeah I just looked and there are tons of pluto not a planet/solar system tshirts and art.

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Where's the actual experiment? This looks more like something someone would do for a science class project, not for a science fair.

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This shirt involves science but not a science fair. In a project you would actually be testing for something. Making a model of the solar system isn't considered an experiment.

i quite like this but sun (middle) on the shirt doesn't match the one at the top image. It has a greyish stripe across it on the shirt.
My next 'science' experiment will be to get my string to curl up when I cut it with scissors. lol

nemesis7 wrote:i quite like this but sun (middle) on the shirt doesn't match the one at the top image. It has a greyish stripe across it on the shirt.
My next 'science' experiment will be to get my string to curl up when I cut it with scissors. lol

That is just a wrinkle from the shirt comp

BambooDrew wrote:This shirt involves science but not a science fair. In a project you would actually be testing for something. Making a model of the solar system isn't considered an experiment.

Solar system dioramas were the most common thing to see from early elementary school students in the science fair when I was growing up, often accompanied by some info about planets, etc. At early ages, many science fair projects are more of small research projects to learn a little bit about a topic, and astronomy is a popular one.

ramyb wrote:Solar system dioramas were the most common thing to see from early elementary school students in the science fair when I was growing up, often accompanied by some info about planets, etc. At early ages, many science fair projects are more of small research projects to learn a little bit about a topic, and astronomy is a popular one.

Science Fair Trifecta:
Model volcano (often with vinegar/NaHCO3)
Model solar system (foam balls on strings)
Model Bohr atom (foam balls on coathangers)

Sadly, this was AFTER we taught the scientific method and the nature of experimentation. It's a rite of passage.

ramyb wrote:That is just a wrinkle from the shirt comp

lol time for woot to iron their shirts!

just a bit of fun but i got to say this ---

why are none of the planets/sun actually attached to their 'strings' lol

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I like the idea of this, I just wish the planets/sun were in order... that's a deal breaker for me

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I have to admit that hand-on-heart I really liked this when I saw it.

I don't care that the pluto thing is massively over-done - I do care that the shirt isn't very on-topic.

I care most that the shirt is by ramy, however, and so will never get a vote from me.

ramyb wrote:That is just a wrinkle from the shirt comp

Sounds like a good reason to use the official woot template to me instead of one that distorts the image *insincere smiley*

rocketjohn wrote:Sounds like a good reason to use the official woot template to me instead of one that distorts the image *insincere smiley*

Er, a lot of artist use a more natural shirt template instead of the official woot one. Woot doesn't reject for it unless the colors don't match. Shrug.

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Considering the fact that Pluto was demoted in 2006, I struggle to see how this idea would still be relevant at a science fair. Assuming a middle school or lower science fair, most of the children would be too young to even take notice of Pluto's demotion. If this shirt was put out 5 years ago, it would have been deemed commonplace, but submitting it now makes it outdated.

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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with this design, as far as its relation to the theme. It's pretty simple and expresses the idea effectively.

I just think it's a dated joke that's been done before.

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Although there is no object that the planets are hanging from and the design is "overdone," I still really enjoyed this design and it evoked an "awww... poor pluto" from me. GMV

bluejester wrote:It's a funny concept, but Pluto needs to be there dang it! j/k

Actually, I think my prob with it is the strings need to be hanging from something. As is, it looks like the Men's answer to problem that women face with some of their shirts. Here, instead of accidental boob shirt, we have accidental chest hair hanging.

Not meant to be rude, it just seems that way.

Haha! Well played. There aren't enough hairy chest shirts in the world, but I think this one hangs just fine!

ciaranannrach wrote:Where's the actual experiment? This looks more like something someone would do for a science class project, not for a science fair.

There are a lot of entries in this derby that don't quite have the "experiment" feel but rather hearken back to elementary school "science fairs." And yeah, there are a lot of "Pluto isn't a planet" shirts floating out there, but something about the cut, sad, and lonely ball on the floor just appeals to me more than the myriad other Pluto shirts floating about the web.

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Now I know why people love and hate you. This is simply put genius. You have a deft hand and a crafty brain.

I bet you like to play games, and probably really well. Risk, Chess, D&D, Tomb Raider... any of those hit? Oh, really? Hand-eye, I would've guessed that.

I'm brUno, the Blind Dog. I work mostly 3D, but I'm an old-school artist/cartoonist. I've done editorial and charicatures. I like telling stories with pictuers but I have a tendency to "show off" and over work/think stuff.

The quality I admire most in an artist is restraint. Restraint with the power to kill. It's like the old sensei that looks at you and you don't even consider making a move on him. Be cause you have no idea what he knows or what he'll do. I admire a man that learn his game and uses every strand to their advantage. This is what makes "Go" and Wooting so much FUN!

The TNMT was genius. Not the image, the entry. It's a distraction. You're good, really good. I've already figured out whot the "Dirty Dozen" are... and who the "Trinity" is and who all the other angels that are in Heather-Grey land.

I will get to know you. I will win one of these, ...soon, (I gotta get my swing adjusted for competition) within six months, and I will converse with you, then, as a peer. I will admire and challenge you till then.

On-e gai-simashu, Ha-jime no Dong-Ki Kon-GO!
(Thank you in advance, Please, but it's "On like Donkey Kong!")
BlindDog3D
brUno O'shoogar

This is out-of-this-world-class stuff, here. I have bumped your count with my vote, not that you would need it.

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The big yellow one is the sun!

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This is my favorite so far just artistically. It's an old theme but well executed. And bottom-line... I'd wear it.

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[quote="AlexIAm"]I like the idea of this, I just wish the planets/sun were in order... that's a deal breaker for me[/quote]

Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto... which ones not right?

[quote="BambooDrew"]This shirt involves science but not a science fair. In a project you would actually be testing for something. Making a model of the solar system isn't considered an experiment.[/quote]

Perhaps he is testing the rate of gravity on differently weighted objects.

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If this were to glow in the dark I would probably buy 7 of them. Because that would be super-mega-awesome.

swammi1203 wrote:Considering the fact that Pluto was demoted in 2006, I struggle to see how this idea would still be relevant at a science fair. Assuming a middle school or lower science fair, most of the children would be too young to even take notice of Pluto's demotion. If this shirt was put out 5 years ago, it would have been deemed commonplace, but submitting it now makes it outdated.

When I was in middle school, our science textbooks were at least five years old, and that makes the shirt more plausible. A kid picks up an older book and makes his science fair project from it. He gets to school and someone makes fun of him for having Pluto on it, so he cuts it off. Plus, the people on this site aren't too young to notice Pluto's demotion.

rocketjohn wrote:I have to admit that hand-on-heart I really liked this when I saw it.

I don't care that the pluto thing is massively over-done - I do care that the shirt isn't very on-topic.

I care most that the shirt is by ramy, however, and so will never get a vote from me.

Aaaaaaaand this is why the Ramy hating is BS. You whine and moan, then when he does a design you actually like, you make it more about the designer than the design itself. Why should he bother listening to you people when straying from his aesthetic won't even make you happy?

Bunch of harpies, y'all.

blinddog3d wrote:Now I know why people love and hate you. This is simply put genius. You have a deft hand and a crafty brain.

I bet you like to play games, and probably really well. Risk, Chess, D&D, Tomb Raider... any of those hit? Oh, really? Hand-eye, I would've guessed that.

I'm brUno, the Blind Dog. I work mostly 3D, but I'm an old-school artist/cartoonist. I've done editorial and charicatures. I like telling stories with pictuers but I have a tendency to "show off" and over work/think stuff.

The quality I admire most in an artist is restraint. Restraint with the power to kill. It's like the old sensei that looks at you and you don't even consider making a move on him. Be cause you have no idea what he knows or what he'll do. I admire a man that learn his game and uses every strand to their advantage. This is what makes "Go" and Wooting so much FUN!

The TNMT was genius. Not the image, the entry. It's a distraction. You're good, really good. I've already figured out whot the "Dirty Dozen" are... and who the "Trinity" is and who all the other angels that are in Heather-Grey land.

I will get to know you. I will win one of these, ...soon, (I gotta get my swing adjusted for competition) within six months, and I will converse with you, then, as a peer. I will admire and challenge you till then.

On-e gai-simashu, Ha-jime no Dong-Ki Kon-GO!
(Thank you in advance, Please, but it's "On like Donkey Kong!")
BlindDog3D
brUno O'shoogar

This is out-of-this-world-class stuff, here. I have bumped your count with my vote, not that you would need it.

I think i just rolled my eyes so hard that I hurt myself...

ramyb wrote:Solar system dioramas were the most common thing to see from early elementary school students in the science fair when I was growing up, often accompanied by some info about planets, etc. At early ages, many science fair projects are more of small research projects to learn a little bit about a topic, and astronomy is a popular one.

The problem is the topic is middle school science fair, not elementary school science fair. Based upon your own words, this is off topic.

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Okay this is a funny shirt. The Pluto thing has been done before, but this is the best (and most wearable) I've seen. I'm thinking about buying this if it prints.

ciaranannrach wrote:The problem is the topic is middle school science fair, not elementary school science fair. Based upon your own words, this is off topic.

Actually, the topic is just science fair. Take a close look at the first line of the description:

"Let us harken back for a second to a simpler time. A time of elementary school, potatoes on toothpicks in styrofoam cups full of water, vinegar/baking soda volcanoes, and cooking hot dogs using solar power."

Thanks to everyone who has enjoyed this design, I'm glad you guys like it :D

ramyb wrote:Actually, the topic is just science fair. Take a close look at the first line of the description:

"Let us harken back for a second to a simpler time. A time of elementary school, potatoes on toothpicks in styrofoam cups full of water, vinegar/baking soda volcanoes, and cooking hot dogs using solar power."
:D

Next in the description: "This week we want to see designs carrying on the tradition of middle school science with your depictions of the theories explored, science fair experiments themselves, or maybe just the chemical or physical processes involved."

Poor Pluto. And we thought Uranus had it rough.

dwnmoser wrote:Aaaaaaaand this is why the Ramy hating is BS. You whine and moan, then when he does a design you actually like, you make it more about the designer than the design itself. Why should he bother listening to you people when straying from his aesthetic won't even make you happy?

Bunch of harpies, y'all.

I absolutely make it more about the designer than the design itself - this designer has proven over and over again that he's a Vogonity, and therefore i won't buy or vote his stuff. He gets enough money already from massaging the reckoning every week and pushing better shirts out.

In almost every other case the designer is not even a consideration.

However there is another guy on here, who has, unlike ramy, been caught tracing from stolen clipart. I don't vote on or buy any of his stuff either, because I assume even if he hasn't been found out specifically that he's probably been doing it again.

So yes, it's only about the designer if the designer makes it about the designer. With almost every other thing on this site the designer is not relevant, because they are neutral or pleasant people.

DianaSprinkle wrote:Er, a lot of artist use a more natural shirt template instead of the official woot one. Woot doesn't reject for it unless the colors don't match. Shrug.

Agreed, but when it affects the look of the design, it's probably not a very good idea, now is it?

blk909 wrote:Next in the description: "This week we want to see designs carrying on the tradition of middle school science with your depictions of the theories explored, science fair experiments themselves, or maybe just the chemical or physical processes involved."

And a little further in the description...

Remember the theme is based on a right of passage for middle school though, so leave your complex explanations of String Theory and Higgs boson detection at home.

So yes, while the first sentence suggests elementary level science fair projects would be ok, the following sentences firmly state that the theme is middle school science fair. Based upon that, this is off-theme.

zyzzvazi wrote:When I was in middle school, our science textbooks were at least five years old, and that makes the shirt more plausible. A kid picks up an older book and makes his science fair project from it. He gets to school and someone makes fun of him for having Pluto on it, so he cuts it off. Plus, the people on this site aren't too young to notice Pluto's demotion.

Thank you ZZYZvani for understanding this. I was amazed at how many of you didn't understand the cut string/missing Pluto. I think it's very elegant, in the scientific use of the word. It doesn't even have to mean that the student showed up and discovered his mistake; s/he may have intended to demonstrate the demotion of Pluto.

Planets "in order"? Fly out right now to the edge of the solar system and see where the planets are; they're in different parts of they're orbits (as any astrologer would be happy to tell you). Maybe our student plotted the orbits of the planets at that particular time and ordered them as best s/he could in a 2D space. I imagine there are other materials that accompany this image.

Or the student is a slacker. :-O but I don't like that thought much.

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LOVE this shirt! It reminds me of the flair that says "When I was growing up, Pluto was a planet!" LOVE THIS! GMV

ciaranannrach wrote:So yes, while the first sentence suggests elementary level science fair projects would be ok, the following sentences firmly state that the theme is middle school science fair. Based upon that, this is off-theme.

And then the next sentence states "Keep it at a level you would expect walking into a grade school gym to judge a kid's experiment."

You can intentionally cut out sections of the description and try to make it seem like only middle school is allowed, but that is clearly not the case if you take the entire thing as a whole. Woot asked for nothing more complex than what you might see in middle school, but said nothing about going simpler, and in fact stated several times that thngs at the elementary school level are fine.

ramyb wrote:And then the next sentence states "Keep it at a level you would expect walking into a grade school gym to judge a kid's experiment."

You can intentionally cut out sections of the description and try to make it seem like only middle school is allowed, but that is clearly not the case if you take the entire thing as a whole. Woot asked for nothing more complex than what you might see in middle school, but said nothing about going simpler, and in fact stated several times that thngs at the elementary school level are fine.

I'll have to take your word for it that Woot has stated that elementary school level is fine. Though, the fact it wasn't rejected is also proof enough that woot disagrees with me. Anyhow, good luck with the design.

AlexIAm wrote:I like the idea of this, I just wish the planets/sun were in order... that's a deal breaker for me

That was one of the first things I thought as well, however upon closer examination you'll see that the planets are in order of proximity to the sun moving out from the "sun" at the center of the design. I think it makes it much more wearable than just having them in a straight line orientation.

icspots wrote:That was one of the first things I thought as well, however upon closer examination you'll see that the planets are in order of proximity to the sun moving out from the "sun" at the center of the design. I think it makes it much more wearable than just having them in a straight line orientation.

agreed.
Also, one of the better pluto-not-a-planet shirts.
Everyone's going to have their own opinion: someone not voting because of who the artist is? who cares, you don't have to like them. They aren't going to change your opinion and you won't change theirs.
move along.

rocketjohn wrote:He gets enough money already from massaging the reckoning every week and pushing better shirts out.

You mean he's figured out an effective way to make money off a commerce site?? That greedy bastard!

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Poor poor Pluto

dwnmoser wrote:You mean he's figured out an effective way to make money off a commerce site?? That greedy bastard!

Thank you Gordon Gekko...

dwnmoser wrote:You mean he's figured out an effective way to make money off a commerce site?? That greedy bastard!

The most delicious part of human psychology is understanding that when it comes down to it, the majority of his hater fan club are simply jealous they didn't think of it first.

But it still doesn't excuse his simplistic designs and re-use of previous themes. I've reserved my ramy vote for a week he actually thinks outside of the box.

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I was quite pleasantly surprised when I opened this up and saw that it was RamyB, I never would have guessed. Props for going a different style.

I really like this, the colors appeal to me and I was always a space geek from a young age. This one seems to me to fit the theme way more than a lot of the other fogged entries and is clever and kind of topical. Kids in ten years will never understand the whole Pluto is no longer a planet thing and it's kind of a nostalgia thing to back when there were 9 and you could memorize their order with my very energetic mother just served us nine pizzas. It's not quite the same without the pizza.

deltax20a wrote:The most delicious part of human psychology is understanding that when it comes down to it, the majority of his hater fan club are simply jealous they didn't think of it first.

I've never understood this argument. I'm no fan of ramyb, mostly because I think he's a very talented but lazy designer. He can be a great designer, but week after week rather than challenge himself and truly show the woot audience with what he can do, he dashes off something quick with bunnies or turtles. Sure, the end result is the same, he wins a bunch of money, and that's probably why he doesn't put in any more effort than necessary. However, I admire and respect artists who like to challenge themselves and grow and impress their audience. I don't see that effort from ramyb.

I don't see how that makes me a hater, or even if it does, I don't see how it means I'm jealous. When I draw, you can't tell a tree from a dog. So there's no "I wish I'd thought of it first" coming from me, because I don't have the creativity nor the skills. I am here because I like to buy shirts, not design them, so no jealousy on my part.

yankeebird wrote:I've never understood this argument. I'm no fan of ramyb, mostly because I think he's a very talented but lazy designer. He can be a great designer, but week after week rather than challenge himself and truly show the woot audience with what he can do, he dashes off something quick with bunnies or turtles. Sure, the end result is the same, he wins a bunch of money, and that's probably why he doesn't put in any more effort than necessary. However, I admire and respect artists who like to challenge themselves and grow and impress their audience. I don't see that effort from ramyb.

I don't see how that makes me a hater, or even if it does, I don't see how it means I'm jealous. When I draw, you can't tell a tree from a dog. So there's no "I wish I'd thought of it first" coming from me, because I don't have the creativity nor the skills. I am here because I like to buy shirts, not design them, so no jealousy on my part.

I believe you are right to an extent.
However, I think the real reason most people have a problem is: People are here to vote on shirt's they will (supposedly) buy if it wins and that a large majority of voters have dissimilar opinions on shirts than a large 'vocal' number of others. Thus the shirts they like might not get printed.

This all comes down to individual personal opinion and it will never be more than that. People have been getting mad over difference in opinions since...well forever.

sefjwm wrote:Yeah I just looked and there are tons of pluto not a planet/solar system tshirts and art.

I KNOW!...You can't swing a cat on the Interwebs without hitting a Pluto not a planet T-shirt. They're everywhere.

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