Derby #204: I ❤ Books!

THE ALLEGORY

Still no.

Rejected because: Still no.

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goatcane


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(was worth a try...)

DJ9975


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goatcane wrote:(was worth a try...)


Actually...it really wasn't. Stuff like this never ever ever gets thru Rejectionator, and never will- barring a huge change in policy.

And regardless of my personal views this seems a quite immature and needless jab at people's deeply held beliefs.

goatcane


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Really? You think Melville was taking an "immature and needless jab at people's deeply held beliefs" when he published Moby boghog?

Perhaps every literature professor is secretly anti-religion, right? Moby boghog is an allegory. I can't help it if you didn't see anything past a story about a whale.

Here's the Cliffs Notes version for you;

Whale = Jesus/God

The whole novel was about a man trying to find meaning, trying to find reason, and ultimately obsessed with vengeance against a god who he believes wronged him and (worse) abandoned him.



DJ9975 wrote:Actually...it really wasn't. Stuff like this never ever ever gets thru Rejectionator, and never will- barring a huge change in policy.

And regardless of my personal views this seems a quite immature and needless jab at people's deeply held beliefs.

icancounttopotato


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goatcane wrote:Really? You think Melville was taking an "immature and needless jab at people's deeply held beliefs" when he published Moby boghog?

Perhaps every literature professor is secretly anti-religion, right? Moby boghog is an allegory. I can't help it if you didn't see anything past a story about a whale.

Here's the Cliffs Notes version for you;

Whale = Jesus/God

The whole novel was about a man trying to find meaning, trying to find reason, and ultimately obsessed with vengeance against a god who he believes wronged him and (worse) abandoned him.


thats still immature because im a religious person and i took that offensivly. try to upload again but instead of a cross put a pole or something and minus the word "Jesus"

epicfal


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The trouble is that people who are completely unfamiliar with Moby boghog are going to be, at the least, COMPLETELY confused as to why there is a crucified whale on your t-shirt. (Like I was, before I read your explanation.) And, unfortunately, some people will probably interpret it as offensive, since if they don't understand what your meaning was, they're going to make one up.

tarakeet


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Is it more immature to make a shirt with a cross on it, or not to be familiar with great works of literature? Or to decide that anything with a cross on it is offensive? Not to understand what the word "allegory" means?

Jesus wasn't the only person ever crucified and a cross isn't strictly a Christian symbol, so unless you understood the story of Moby boghog, this shirt could be completely unreligious.

jamesclaflin


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tarakeet wrote:Is it more immature to make a shirt with a cross on it, or not to be familiar with great works of literature? Or to decide that anything with a cross on it is offensive? Not to understand what the word "allegory" means?

Jesus wasn't the only person ever crucified and a cross isn't strictly a Christian symbol, so unless you understood the story of Moby boghog, this shirt could be completely unreligious.


Besides the fact that it has sacrilicious and jesus written up there so OBVIOUSLY its referencing religion. You can argue if its highly offensive or not (it is) but your specific argument is hugely flawed due to the facts i stated above.

drgribb


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goatcane wrote:Really? You think Melville was taking an "immature and needless jab at people's deeply held beliefs" when he published Moby boghog?

Perhaps every literature professor is secretly anti-religion, right? Moby boghog is an allegory. I can't help it if you didn't see anything past a story about a whale.

Here's the Cliffs Notes version for you;

Whale = Jesus/God

The whole novel was about a man trying to find meaning, trying to find reason, and ultimately obsessed with vengeance against a god who he believes wronged him and (worse) abandoned him.


lol what a newb. Is this what your high school english teacher told you? You miss the point that literature can be interpreted in a multitude of different ways and often, no single interpretation is correct, unless explicitly stated by the author. I don't think a correct understanding of the book necessarily requires a strict interpretation of "whale = jesus/god." To quote the film the big lebowski, "that's just, like, your opinion, man." Also, learn to form your own opinions and stop regurgitating someone else's interpretation
Additionally, pretty sure I saw this get rejected in a past derby a while back...

goatcane


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drgribb wrote:lol what a newb. Is this what your high school english teacher told you? You miss the point that literature can be interpreted in a multitude of different ways and often, no single interpretation is correct, unless explicitly stated by the author. I don't think a correct understanding of the book necessarily requires a strict interpretation of "whale = jesus/god." To quote the film the big lebowski, "that's just, like, your opinion, man." Also, learn to form your own opinions and stop regurgitating someone else's interpretation
Additionally, pretty sure I saw this get rejected in a past derby a while back...


For what it's worth... and I know no one cares at this point;

I 100% agree that literature should be interpreted by the reader and not a forced interpretation by a professor (or even the author itself.) The subjective critical analysis of the written word is, by it's very nature, subjective.

I happened to attend a (fairly) prestigious university, where I was specifically on the "wrong" side of the universally accepted interpretation of Moby D. Ahab = Job is the most universal "Norton" interpretation. I believe that Ahab = Job's Wife, which paints his obsession in completely different hue.

Yes, I submitted this design in a previous "books as shirts" derby and it was rejected then too. This is to date my favorite design; I like that it sparks debate about literature, religion, etc... I had no reason to believe it wouldn't get rejected, but I had accurately assumed it would get people thinking and talking.

All that stated, I will go on record noting that it is still amazing that in 2011 people get up in arms over a crudely depicted cartoon whale on an even more crudely depicted cross.

xion670


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If your only point in submitting this design was to create controversy. Then you really don't belong as an artist on this site. Its disrespectful to the other people on here who actually care about making a good shirt for people.

goatcane


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xion670 wrote:If your only point in submitting this design was to create controversy. Then you really don't belong as an artist on this site. Its disrespectful to the other people on here who actually care about making a good shirt for people.


Who said anything about controversy? Debating literature is fun, at least for those of us who understand it.

...and I happen to think the design itself is fantastic, thank you very much.

wickedjezebel777


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goatcane wrote:Who said anything about controversy? Debating literature is fun, at least for those of us who understand it.

...and I happen to think the design itself is fantastic, thank you very much.


it's ok goatcane. Whether you meant to be sacrilegious or not, I still liked it.

goatcane


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wickedjezebel777 wrote:it's ok goatcane. Whether you meant to be sacrilegious or not, I still liked it.


Thank you WickedJ.

petitefilou


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I like how you imply that anyone who disagrees with you is badly read/ doesn't understand literature. I understand it just fine, thanks.

I still think this is tasteless though, which is something WOOT wants to avoid being associated with (which is why they don't allow toilet humour.) There are other ways to "debate literature"

goatcane


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petitefilou wrote:I like how you imply that anyone who disagrees with you is badly read/ doesn't understand literature. I understand it just fine, thanks.

I still think this is tasteless though, which is something WOOT wants to avoid being associated with (which is why they don't allow toilet humour.) There are other ways to "debate literature"


I welcome disagreement.

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