Derby #205: Mexico

El Zorro

Rejected because: Text, character is Spanish American, not Mexican.

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ramyb


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reservado

(And btw for those who were unsure- Zorro means fox in Spanish)

Mavyn


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Why is the cape going into his mouth?

My speech is not parsing. I am speaking in ellipsis.

kaleidoscopicfailure


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Mavyn wrote:Why is the cape going into his mouth?


it's not, that's his little sword. I thought of this, why the hell did i not bank on it? i guess i like to make life harder for myself.

*sigh* hats to ramy...

Mavyn


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kaleidoscopicfailure wrote:it's not, that's his little sword. I thought of this, why the hell did i not bank on it? i guess i like to make life harder for myself.

*sigh* hats to ramy...


Oh, that's supposed to be a hand guard? all righty.

My speech is not parsing. I am speaking in ellipsis.

jackmando7


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Why is he a fox?

JRWorkshop


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El Zorro is a U.S. character that defends the poor in old time Los Angeles.... Not Mexican


dribbles


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Love it!

Spiritgreen


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JRWorkshop wrote:El Zorro is a U.S. character that defends the poor in old time Los Angeles.... Not Mexican


That's a good point. I thought about a Zorro tee and then smacked my forehead when I found out the stories are set in Spanish colonial California. Maybe there's a Mexican connection I'm not aware of?

Well anyway, the linework and coloring is really sharp here, Ramy.

downsyndrom


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JRWorkshop wrote:El Zorro is a U.S. character that defends the poor in old time Los Angeles.... Not Mexican


But its a Spanish name.... and that sir, is not American. You need to work on your racial profiling. :P

jackmando7


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Zorro was a video game... Maybe not a very good one.

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/163/163344p1.html

Sorry to all those who wanted this shirt, but rules is rules.

JRWorkshop


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Spiritgreen wrote:That's a good point. I thought about a Zorro tee and then smacked my forehead when I found out the stories are set in Spanish colonial California. Maybe there's a Mexican connection I'm not aware of?

Well anyway, the linework and coloring is really sharp here, Ramy.


No, there's not. It's just a fox with a cape.


ramyb


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Spiritgreen wrote:That's a good point. I thought about a Zorro tee and then smacked my forehead when I found out the stories are set in Spanish colonial California. Maybe there's a Mexican connection I'm not aware of?

Well anyway, the linework and coloring is really sharp here, Ramy.


The setting is California, but from a time much different from now- not when it was part of the US. Zorro fought against the Spanish on behalf of Mexico in the area. He has also been called the Mexican Robin Hood.

Nightshooter wrote:cuz he get made fun of for using penguins...


Actually, it's because zorro means fox.

paleodon


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Spiritgreen wrote:That's a good point. I thought about a Zorro tee and then smacked my forehead when I found out the stories are set in Spanish colonial California. Maybe there's a Mexican connection I'm not aware of?

Well anyway, the linework and coloring is really sharp here, Ramy.


Alta California (where the pueblo Los Angeles was located) was a part of Mexico at the time the character Zorro would have lived. The more important issue is that the character was created by an American.

ritaroobias


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jackmando7 wrote:Why is he a fox?

zorro = Spanish for "fox"

qwasdfz


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Ramyb I apologize. When I first joined woot your four shirts on the reckoning were "imposter" "cooler than you" "i'm not contagious" and some other unamusing cutesy animal tripe. I ranted I insulted and mocked all of your designs. I guess you must have been having a bad streak at the time or something because since then you have put out much better shirts such as the planet one, the cat in the hat, and now this. You are not a bad artist with no talent. You just seem to make a lot of really bad shirts. I will try to be more receptive of your designs. Just stay the @$!@ away from those goshdarn penguins.

tjost


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Pretty sure the Z sword slashes are the hallmark copyrighted signiture of Zorro, kinda like Supermans S. You may want to tweak that.

taylertot


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ADORABLE! Nice artwork, too.

JRWorkshop


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paleodon wrote:Alta California (where the pueblo Los Angeles was located) was a part of Mexico at the time the character Zorro would have lived. The more important issue is that the character was created by an American.


But he was fully spaniard, even his attire saves the old tradition of old cordobés hat (from Córdoba in Spain)and cape. The character was created by somebody in the U.S., his look is spaniard and defends a town in California. How is that Mexican??


bluejester


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JRWorkshop wrote:No, there's not. It's just a fox with a cape.


For some reason when you said this I got a "Mallrats" 'You-know-what! There-is-no-Easterbunny! It's-just-some-guy-in-a-suit!' Vibe.

Anyways, actually I'd disagree. For Ramyb's work this isn't half bad drawing and shading wise.

However, the layout is too static for me. I think that is the problem I have had with many of the Ramyb shirts of late. The only one that really had a more inventive layout of late was the "Minor Modifications" one. The rest of the time the animal just sits there being cute and doesn't really convey action.

Now, I know that in real life, most cute animals like bunnies and "foofy puppies" will just sit there all quiet like and make you wonder if you'd be better off having just bought a life-sized doll that would cost and poop less. Yet, when it comes to wild animals, like a fox, I think we expect to see a bit more movement implied or otherwise.

Simply put, the fox needs those things that we expect to see from a fox. Show me cunning. Show me dashing and daring. I want to see a folded arm fox, sly look on his face with the wind sweeping his cape in the air in a heroic fashion.

Please don't show me a shiatsu-fox hybrid. That's the core problem designs like this of late. No flare.

Mavyn


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tjost wrote:Pretty sure the Z sword slashes are the hallmark copyrighted signiture of Zorro, kinda like Supermans S. You may want to tweak that.


And it also counts as text.

My speech is not parsing. I am speaking in ellipsis.

mymovinman


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jackmando7 wrote:Why is he a fox?


He's the Mexican Robin Hood, I guess

novastarj


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JRWorkshop wrote:But he was fully spaniard, even his attire saves the old tradition of old cordobés hat (from Córdoba in Spain)and cape. The character was created by somebody in the U.S., his look is spaniard and defends a town in California. How is that Mexican??


Mexico controlled California for a bit of time in the early 1800's (from around 1821, the Mexican War of Independence, until around 1846, the Mexican-American War). Surely Zorro lived in southern California during part of that timeframe...

mymovinman


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GMV +1

fishbiscuit5


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mymovinman wrote:He's the Mexican Robin Hood, I guess


Zorro wasn't Mexican. He was Spanish. Big difference. I also thought about doing a Zorro design then did some research and learned a little about history too.

JRWorkshop


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He es NOT! its the U.S. robin hood, he defends Los Angeles


bluejester


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ChaosDoctor07


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Mavyn wrote:And it also counts as text.


This. Clever idea using a fox with Zorro, but, yeah, this should be rejected, especially considering how stringent Woot has been in the past about anything remotely text-like in past derbies with a text ban.

"Don't believe in the you who believes in me. Don't believe in the me who believes in you. Believe in the you who believes in yourself."

Nightshooter


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ramyb wrote:Actually, it's because zorro means fox.


O, that makes much more sence. I actually figured it was because foxes are sly and so is Zorro.
Also congrats on todays print.

Dutchbunch5


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Love this shirt. Please save it for another derby.

blinddog3d


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This is a badass design! Clean and well executed. Nice work, Rams, sorry for the cut. Just whip out a mexican bunny. (Just ribbin ya). Spot on flawless, I'd wear this.
BlindDog3D

naomiderrebe


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He's adorable!

tryel


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I like how there is this huge argument over this shirt and people seem so offended, but am I really the only one who has noticed that half the shirts on here are pretty offensive. The "Ay Chihuahua" one is using Taco Bell which is an American food chain and i have not seen a huge argument launched over its validity. Just saying....

brushfire


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tryel wrote:I like how there is this huge argument over this shirt and people seem so offended, but am I really the only one who has noticed that half the shirts on here are pretty offensive. The "Ay Chihuahua" one is using Taco Bell which is an American food chain and i have not seen a huge argument launched over its validity. Just saying....


Yes, I never saw so many comments want an entry rejected so bad that was so cute! Why are they picking on this sweet little fox? Everthing about this is so professionally done. I love it! I saw at least a dozen that were more offensive than this.

I'm Sorry ramyb, maybe you can use it again later? (hope I hope)

confusedzombieturtle


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I want this shirt

deekboy


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Sucks that it got rejected. I would buy this in a heartbeat!

dribbles


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confusedzombieturtle wrote:I want this shirt


here here

darthchair


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dribbles wrote:here here



I want this shirt too! :/ It's amazing.

mymillsap


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darthchair wrote:I want this shirt too! :/ It's amazing.


Please save this one & submit it for another derby, I want it too!

jmmbell1987


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deekboy wrote:Sucks that it got rejected. I would buy this in a heartbeat!


No, it doesn't. It wasn't on theme.

firestar33


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Love this, and totally want one. Please try in another Derby! Sadly, this would've been the only one I would have voted for... the rest are not cute, or ARE cute, but are on a green shirt. Jatravartid green shirts...

goodlifegardens


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jmmbell1987 wrote:No, it doesn't. It wasn't on theme.


Did the theme say "modern" Mexico or just Mexico? At the time of Zorro California WAS Mexico. Half of the shirts submitted are PRE-Mexico. Which also isn't Mexico. Not even New Spain. Certainly not as much Mexico as California was a part of actual Mexico. Why do we cut out that part of history but allow history before Mexico existed?

kender42


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The rejection based on the character being 'Spanish American' is weak. So we have no true American's except for Native Americans and we have no true Mexicans. Also as stated earlier CA wasn't always part of America.

Biggest note here is that Zorro was a hero to the Mexican people.

tanyastinson


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I like it. Ignore the naysayers and boors.

Jackemmenjaser


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Quick, unban it! Those are clearly three separate slashes and in no way text! And the original character may have started as Spanish-American, but there were numerous versions in which he was Mexican!

adamy323


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So cute, too bad it was rejected.

FrodoFraggins


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I would buy this shirt right now. Forgot those folks who are twisting the rules around so tightly that they can make a crappy case on why this got rejected. Boooo to them. I love the cute animals. Props to Ramb.

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