Derby #240: Take THAT, Ninja!
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Pirate Games

Pirate Games
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bethany3cat


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Re: Pirate Games


Well, I haven't submitted since "Cats, The T-Shirt," but I have been working furiously (not actually working angry, but rather, working hard) in the background.

J5 told me about GIMP, so I don't have to import from my free drawing program for the HP Touchpad into Open Office Impress into Microsoft Paint, back into, well, you get the picture.

The idea here is that pirates don't play nice games.

Aha! Figured that out on your own, did you?

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Edit: To clarify, I submitted to "Cats, Cats, Cats;" common sense now suggests that bastardizing the Derby theme could lead to confusion about which Derby and/or which entry. I belatedly realized that there was, in fact, a "Cats, the Musical," and I do not wish to step on anyone"s toes.

My thought process had originally dredged up a series of redux names that White Wolf had after "Magic: The Gathering," such as "Pimp, the Backhanding."My household tends to oversimplify things sometimes, and I get used to shorthand speech.

My four shirt entries in my first ever Woot! Derby, and my first ever illustration submissions went to Cats! Cats! Cats!; they were Feline Ouroboros, F. Ouroboros Pop Art, Three to Tee, and Cheshire Dressing Room.


Sorry for any potential confusion.

bethany3cat


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bethany3cat wrote:My four shirt entries in my first ever Woot! Derby, and my first ever illustration submissions went to Cats! Cats! Cats!; they were Feline Ouroboros, F. Ouroboros Pop Art, Three to Tee, and Cheshire Dressing Room.


I got some feedback on those entries (big shout out to those three people). But I'm begging for more.

I have no unrealistic ambitions of winning ever, but my new goal is a hundred votes (thanks for helping me break my original goal of 50 last time).

To hope to accomplish that, I need to appeal to about, oh, 87 more of you in the next Derby.

What feedback can you illustrious Woot-izens offer?(and I bet you saw what I did there, after all you lot like and get puns) I was told one entry last time appealed on its simplicity -- so what did I do, I entered something extremely complicated.

Hmmm, I will endeavor to apply the feedback going forward, though I will probably err on one side or the other...

So too complicated this round? Too dark? Maybe heather would be better? These are my guesses, but please don't make me play 20 questions.

Last, but not least, tell me, please, if anything is right. Do you encourage me to try something that worked a second time? I'm not really angling for a compliment, so much as what not to throw out with the bath water. I taught for more than a decade (not art or illustration, but I bet you knew that), and I always wanted to ensure that my students kept doing the right part going forward. Although most of them just wanted me to shut up and cut to the chase.

If you have to tell me, "You draw very round circles," go ahead. At least I will know this microphone is on...

j5


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Re: Pirate Games


OK, I'll bite.

first and foremost, you submitted 1 day before cutoff. That's way too late. You did get 14 votes in that one day, so that should be somewhat encouraging. When the derby theme is announced on Thursday, get to work and have something in by the weekend.

This piece suffers from being a bit on the busy side. Looking at the design from a few feet back, you can't tell what's going on.
For this idea, a mockup of a more realistic steering wheel appearing to have been cobbled up with shipboard bric-a-brac would have sold it.

I like your font.

HTH.

move along

taternuggets


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j5 wrote:OK, I'll bite.

first and foremost, you submitted 1 day before cutoff. That's way too late. You did get 14 votes in that one day, so that should be somewhat encouraging. When the derby theme is announced on Thursday, get to work and have something in by the weekend.

This piece suffers from being a bit on the busy side. Looking at the design from a few feet back, you can't tell what's going on.
For this idea, a mockup of a more realistic steering wheel appearing to have been cobbled up with shipboard bric-a-brac would have sold it.

I like your font.

HTH.


J5 is wise.

I still cherish what we call the "J5 Three."


Nothing follows.

bethany3cat


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j5 wrote:
OK, I'll bite.

I like your font.

HTH.


Awwwww. I'm so glad you mentioned my font!

It's available for commercial use, and they had me at, "That looks good, what's it called." It's called "Gilligan's Island."

Back at you baby!

For the Record, j5 is my hero.

He gave me feedback and a vote for effort on my Cheshire Cat Dressing Room (no, please don't go look; seriously, there's I reason I don't have it in my sig line).

He's the guy that pointed me to GIMP. Strangely, I sprained my ankle on Thursday; accident? I think by definition.

FYI: I had an entry by Sunday evening, but I was fighting new program knowledge and resizing without pixelating. Oh, and a shout out to Xanzibar for his GIMP posting in Artist Resources.

You see I kept doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results -- the scary part is I swear that it resolved differently after the eighteenth time the computer locked up and died. (Note to self: "Better, stronger, faster," requires six million dollars you don't have, but "Make it Work" is free.)

I absolutely know that posting my entry on Tuesday does not a strong voting presence make. If there was a whine in my voice, I didn't mean it that way -- please select all phrasing in that color tone and delete. I assumed going in that I was not in the running, this is more of a learning experiment and attempt to redefine myself.

With a tiny bit of petulance (but no whine, maybe more sarcasm), it will make me feel better if you tell me you hate this and don't think it could clean up all that great:



Edit: Posted in a public forum, now; can you see it?

Regardless, you answered my call for guidance, once again. (Now, how do I turn off this bat signal?)

taternuggets wrote:J5 is wise.

I still cherish what we call the "J5 Three."

In recognizing wisdom, Taternuggets is wise, too, by the way. I may not carve it into anything, but I will create a link to it.

And since pop culture was out, I was left with clean lines and simple design. Whoa, epic fail for me! Tee hee.

Thank you both, very much, for the feedback. (Well, Tater, thanks for the feedback on j5's feedback and the feed back to his previous feedback.)

BTW j5: What does "HTH" stand for? (Probably a V.I. Warshowski moment, but I can play along.)

j5


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bethany3cat wrote:
BTW j5: What does "HTH" stand for? (Probably a V.I. Warshowski moment, but I can play along.)

Hope This/That Helps/Helped

move along

bethany3cat


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j5 wrote:Hope This/That Helps/Helped


Oh,I guess I should have known that. It did help, but that likely came across in my reply.

VI Warshawski when asked, "What does the V.I. Stand for?" would have answered, "My name."

bethany3cat


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j5 wrote:
For this idea, a mockup of a more realistic steering wheel appearing to have been cobbled up with shipboard bric-a-brac would have sold it.


I am still learning the nuances of online image files. Perhaps posting the hand-drawn wheel I wanted to share with you in my private Facebook account was not a well-thought-out plan.

I think this ImageShack link will be a better way to share:



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I had drawn this on Friday, and then talked myself into the idea that computer rendered would be better.

Should we add this to the j5's Three (or Four with editing): trust your first instincts? Now, remember, this is for posterity, so be honest.

(Come on, Rejectionator,I can use oblique pop culture dread pirate Roberts references in my own posts, right?)

j5


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bethany3cat wrote:I am still learning the nuances of online image files. Perhaps posting the hand-drawn wheel I wanted to share with you in my private Facebook account was not a well-thought-out plan.

I think this ImageShack link will be a better way to share:


Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I had drawn this on Friday, and then talked myself into the idea that computer rendered would be better.

Should we add this to the j5's Three (or Four with editing): trust your first instincts? Now, remember, this is for posterity, so be honest.

(Come on, Rejectionator,I can use oblique pop culture dread pirate Roberts references in my own posts, right?)

you guys said a lot of nice things, of which I am humbly honored.

Back to the crit, if I had to do a J5 five, it would probably go like this:
1. clean lines
2. simple design
3. pop culture (or popular theme, if pop-cult is barred)
4. whimsicle geekery [sic]
5. animals

If you look at Messrs' nuggets and norant entry this week, you will see they hit all 5 for fogtastic results.

Your wheel suffers from a lack of #2 (no jokes, please) If you don't have a tablet, consider Inkscape as your primary drawing tool. Vectors are fun.

Also, I didn't see your FB image post, so crisis partially averted.

HTH

move along

bethany3cat


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Back to the crit, if I had to do a J5 five, it would probably go like this:
j5 wrote
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1. clean lines
2. simple design
3. pop culture (or popular theme, if pop-cult is barred)
4. whimsicle geekery [sic]
5. animals


That's great a j5, for j5; why would you have ever stopped at j3?

Your crits have been extremely helpful. Like I said, money might pay past-due bills, but the learning is the real pay off for me.

In that vein, I took to heart a lot of what you said yesterday, combined with the previously j3 wisdoms. I know the contest part is over for me, but I wanted you to see what I worked out.

I think I'm starting to get a hang of the GIMP too. My advice to noobs with that -- save the file as a new version and delete your undo history every 20 minutes. Wow, figuring that out helped me a lot.

1. I trimmed the idea and got some clean-er lines.

2. The design is much simpler; however, I guess without jettisoning the concept, I have to accept a certain amount of complexity.

3. No pop culture, but maybe next time.

4.Some serious pirate geekery. I had to learn a lot just to execute my silly idea. But such trivia: Did you know that "Throw him in the hold with the Captain's daughter" is not a nice thing to do with a drunken sailor? (Captain's daughter is the cat'o'nine'tails and even Ramyb probably couldn't make that cat cute -- although I once saw a bunny fur version
But I digress.

5. These pirates are animals, but I know that doesn't count.

Well, I started off with none of the five, and moved closer to two (cleaner and simpler). What do you think of this iteration?

I'll be okay if you hate on it.



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bethany3cat


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j5,
I forgot to say "Thank you."

I want the constructive criticism. How can I construct differently without it?

So, thank you. And anyone else out there that wants to participate in an online artists community that supports, nurtures, and evolves new ideas, designers, and designs.

That's what I'm looking for.

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